Hoping For More … Tuesday Cup O’Chiefs

OK, so you are a Chiefs fan and you are having a hard time dealing with your teams approach to free agency.

Sure you like the fact that the re-signing of WR Chris Chambers (left) was announced on Monday, a three-year deal for up to $15 million with performance bonuses and just short of $6 million in guaranteed money.

But you don’t like the fact that the best players in the 2010 crop of UFAs have changed area codes and none have added the 816. You want sparkle, you want names like Peppers, Rolle and Dansby signing deals and walking away with a truck load of Hunt Family money.

Let me assure those that may feel the Chiefs have not done enough in the first four days of shopping that they’ve fallen victim to the allure of free agency. It’s far too early to make a ruling on the ability of GM Scott Pioli and his folks to handle this part of the personnel picture; free agency is just four days old right now.

While it’s not sexy, they’ve gotten things done by re-signing Chambers, OLB Mike Vrabel and WR Terrance Copper. And the free agency market doesn’t close after a few days or even a week; it runs up to the start of training camp in late July. The teams that fly out of the chute with their checkbooks don’t get any extra victories or points on the scoreboard.

Last year it was the Washington Redskins that dropped a huge contract on DT Albert Haynesworth and got him signed in the first 24 hours of free agency. Last year, Washington finished with a 4-12 record, the same as the Chiefs who did not sign a UFA on the first day they were allowed.

There’s enough evidence after 17 years to show us that diving head first into the UFA waters generally brings with it a major headache. More evidence of that came down on Monday, when the Raiders released WR Javon Walker.

He was part of a four-player class that the Raiders dropped big money on in 2008. Walker (left) got a six-year $55 million deal with $14 million guaranteed. Oakland re-signed DE Tommy Kelly to a seven-year, $50.5 million contract with $18 million guaranteed. They made a trade with Atlanta, giving up a second and fifth-round picks for CB DeAngelo Hall; part of the deal was a new contract for Hall at seven years, $68 million with $24.5 million guaranteed. Safety Gibril Wilson left the New York Giants and signed as a UFA with the Raiders for six years, $39 million, with $16 million guaranteed.

That was four players, some $212 million in total value and more than $72 million in guaranteed dollars. What did the Raiders realize for that investment? It’s sad really how little Al Davis got for his money:

  • WALKER – released on Monday, Walker played in eight games during the ’08 season, catching 15 passes for 196 yards and one TD. Continuing knee problems and an ankle injury cost him 24 games and now he’s looking for work again.
  • HALL – played in just eight games during the ’08 season before he was released by the Raiders because he was not able to fit in with what Oakland wanted to do on defense and he was starting to become a locker room problem.
  • WILSON – was a starter for the Raiders in ’08, playing in 16 games with 129 total tackles. But he was released by Oakland after the season and signed as a free agent with Miami.
  • KELLY – the only one of the four that remains with the Raiders, he’s played in all 32 games since being signed, with 110 total tackles and 5.5 sacks.

The Raiders actually paid out just less than $50 million to those four players. In the last two seasons, the silver and black have a 10-22 record.

The Bears sudden emergence as a big spender in free agency speaks more to the job security of GM Jerry Angelo and head coach Lovie Smith. They are a facing a make-or-break year, and somehow they were able to convince the McCaskey-Halas Family to loosen the purse strings a bit.

Will signing Julius Peppers, Chester Taylor and Brandon Manumaleuga lead to another trip to the playoffs for Chicago? The money those three players get may be guaranteed, but the team results are not, no matter how deep they reached into the vault.

In his Monday Morning Quarterback column on SI.com, Peter King had an interesting observation about early free agency. PK wrote:

“In 2008, as a precursor to their Super Bowl seasons, Arizona and Pittsburgh signed no one from other teams in the first two days of free agency. In 2009, as a precursor to their Super Bowl seasons, New Orleans and Indianapolis signed no one from other teams in the first two days of free agency.”

Here’s a bit more on his point. In 2008, the Steelers signed three UFAs, only one came in the first week of free agency: RB Mewelde Moore, signed on March 3rd, with the free agent period opening on February 29. That same year, the Cardinals signed four UFAs that were part of the Super Bowl roster and two came in the first week: TE Jerame Tuman and DE Travis LaBoy.

Last year, free agency started on February 27. The Colts signed only a single UFA and LB Adam Seward inked his deal on March 20. The Saints had six UFAs on their winning Super Bowl roster and only one signed in the first week: CB Jabari Greer on March 5.

It’s tough to have patience when you are a Chiefs fan; that’s understood. But don’t throw away the team’s chances after less than a week of free agency. Pioli must improve the talent on the roster and if he does not, it will be tough to improve on that 4-12 record.

Nobody knows that better than Pioli. Give him a chance to find help for the ’10 Chiefs. There will be plenty of opportunities to dissect his moves or lack of same. Everyone understands how important the next five months are for the franchise.

A lot of help must be found – by my estimation they need 11 new contributing players to add into the mix and another half-dozen players that already on the roster must take a step forward in performance and production.

On the ninth of March, we don’t know what the roster will look like on the ninth of August, or even the ninth of September. Some opportunities may have been lost or ignored, but there are more out there.


57 Responses to “Hoping For More … Tuesday Cup O’Chiefs”

  • March 9, 2010  - Jake says:

    Just my opinion, but I think what annoys people is less about the Chiefs not landing any “big name” free agents and more about the overall fact that they continue to avoid spending money.

    Keeping the likes of Vrabel and Chamber is nice and all, but when you read stories on ESPN about how the Chiefs’ payroll isn’t much more than what Clark Hunt finds under his sofa cushions, it makes it seem like they aren’t even trying.

    I would love to hear Hunt explain to the fans why his team’s payroll has dropped so much while we’re still paying the same to get into the stadium.


  • March 9, 2010  - Harold C. says:

    Well….money spent or not….this year must produce results. Progress must be shown. I don’t think throwing gobs of money around will automatically produce a championship. You can spend gobs of money on a player and get nothing for it. Look at the money we threw at Larry J. But I do think you need to spend some money to get quality. You just have to be smart about it….and have a little luck too. If the Chiefs are cheap this year and we have another 4-12 or 5-11 or worse season then it will be an indication that the purse strings may need some loosening.


  • March 9, 2010  - ThunderChief says:

    It’s hard to get one’s head around growing notion that the Chiefs have morphed into a lower tier team in the NFL. It’s very similar to what MLB fans have had to endure with their small market teams and now, without a CBA and into an uncapped year, the reality of the rich and powerful franchises being able to muscle aside the smaller kids for the elite talent, we’re seeing the outcome in clear terms with the Chiefs.

    You simply can’t be a consistent winner on the cheap and it matters not what sport or business you care to name. In a competitive marketplace, the top talent follows the money and the money is almost always in the top 10 markets.

    Right now, we’re seeing a sea change unfolding in the NFL and it’s not for the better, especially from a Chief’s point of view. Roger Goodell has to be having nightmares.


  • March 9, 2010  - Keith says:

    Jake:

    But what would they spend it on? I mean, they could throw money at mediocre free agents just to say “Hey look we spend!”, but that get’s us no closer to a winning season. I know you are not alone in being upset by the Chiefs not spending money, but I guess I’m missing where exactly they should spend it.


  • March 9, 2010  - Mark says:

    This administration is very boring, but if they can produce a winner year in and year out who cares. Let them do their job there are no games to win or lose in March.


  • March 9, 2010  - Randy says:

    There are not very many marqee free agents in this years class. The Chiefs still have time to find some guys to come in and contribute but there are not any superstars to be found. I wonder if this is not a set strategy to set the Chiefs up to be much more active next season when, hopefully, there is a new CBA and a lot of these players that are now on a one year tender will be free agents next offseason.


  • March 9, 2010  - joe says:

    Pioli is taking a chance that there will be many quality players looking for a job in 3 months. If he is correct he will have saved a fortune. If he is wrong he will have the money for next year (2011) when far more name quality players will be available. It makes sense. We will see how it works.


  • March 9, 2010  - Rick says:

    Who realistically should we have signed? Signing big names by no means is the ticket to a super bowl or even playoffs. Lilja (sp) released by the colts last night. That would be good. TJ signed to split with Charles would be good. Teams are still releasing players. We have supposedly two of the best coordinators on our staff let them coach who we have and see if that makes a difference. Our schedule is nothing like last years. This was a good article Bob!!


  • March 9, 2010  - Tim-may says:

    Hey Bob, how about giving us some idea from your perspective who you think the Chiefs should target in free Agency. Personally, I’d like for us to target the following positions.

    1. OL
    2. LB (OLB, ILB)
    3. Safety
    4. WR
    5. TE


  • March 9, 2010  - Tracy says:

    The large contracts the Bears agreed to this year were mostly moves of desperation. Chicago lacks draft choices and the GM and coach are on the hotseat.
    Scott Pioli abnd Todd Haley want motivated, talented players, not money grubbers who may or may not perform to the level of their guarantees. Julius Peppers will not likely match Reggie White’s production even though his skills are better.
    If in the free agency period KC comes away with a RB who can spell Jamaal Charles it will be huge. Anything over and above that will be gravy.
    Be patient-OTA’s are still a long way off.


  • March 9, 2010  - CAPSLOCKCHIEF says:

    OF COURSE PITTSBURG, ARIZONA, NEW ORLEANS AND INDIANAPOLIS DIDN’T SIGN PLAYERS IN THE FIRST TWO DAYS OF FREE AGENCY. THOSE ARE GOOD TEAMS. THE CHIEFS ARE NOT. EXCELLENT OBSERVATION MR. KING. I WISH I COULD GET PAID TO STATE THE OBVIOUS.

    THE 2010 SEASON WILL BE JUST LIKE THE 2009 SEASON WITH A BUNCH OF CAST-OFFS, HAS BEENS, AND NEVER WERES. WATCH AND SEE.


  • March 9, 2010  - SG says:

    “But what would they spend it on?”

    Let me note that re-signing Chambers was HUGE – and very well done by Don Pioli. To answer your question…three offensive centers and 3 more offensive guards to compete with the incumbents would be a good starting place dont-cha-think? While the “best” offensive linemen is signing with someone else’s team, we don’t have anyone scheduled for a visit at this time. That is considered a problem from my vantage point.


  • March 9, 2010  - JohnNdallas says:

    All that stuff ^ there is all great info and in most cases probably good advice for teams to follow but…

    that ain’t comparing apples to apples. Not one of those “success” stories above went into their seasons coming off of 10 wins outta the last 48 played.

    Give it the “Ginsu” knife (slice, dice, or chop)treatment to an hearts content, but it doesn’t change the fact the Chiefs could have and should have made a huge push to get Dansby and or Rolle on the roster. Those two positions are both woefully lacking in talent, (depth and starting caliber)Clark “Punt” Hunt allowed his team get into this position, now he’s gonna have to pay the piper by OVER paying for talent until this team shows enough improvement to start attracting FA’s with a shot at playing on a winner as opposed to just lookin for a few extra zeros on their pay checks.

    Besides that, no one talks about the cost of being mired in the top 10 of the draft every year, those are gonna be 6-8 maybe 10 million $ a year guys that have never taken a snap in the NFL.


  • March 9, 2010  - el cid says:

    My gosh Keith and Mark and joe, Pioli must love you guys. Look at what the Chiefs have done so far, re-signed their own players, that is ok, isn’t it? Well, the team was 4-12 in a league which is designed for clubs to be 6-10 to 10-6. Not one of the re-signed guys has an up side, that means probably what they gave last year is it.

    In free agency, something Pioli has said they will be active, Palko, a no body QB who I doubt anyone else knew was needed or wanted. Whether he is training campfodder or not, does not matter, sign him after you fill hole, he was going to be looking for work anyway. Possibly signed Chambers after lost Boldin, what is with that?

    Who to get in free agency? NOBODY apparently, talked to ONE rb and have another visiting, BUT NOBODY ELSE would even come to KC?

    Saving money? The Chiefs have tons of it and APPARENTLY it will all go into Hunt’s pocket and the hell with the 2010 season, KC, and the fans. Championships are BUILT on aquiring TALENT where ever it is, not ignorred because the owner want money in his pocket not on the field.


  • March 9, 2010  - SG says:

    “Saving money?”

    The $5-million per year investment is a good start – but they do need to step it up a bit and line up some visits from players at positions of need. Right now, Mr. Pioli’s grade is a C-Minus.


  • March 9, 2010  - el cid says:

    For everyone who thinks all is good, check out kanscout.com. Perception become reality about Hunt and Pioli. It is not that the Chiefs are cheap but that people are starting to believe they are cheap. 40 mil under last year and they were at the spending minimum last year, CHEAP. Not as aggressive as I am but there are points you positive guys might consider before deciding the Chiefs are just fine.


  • March 9, 2010  - Debbie Downer says:

    Right on el cid.

    Penny pinching owner + overrated GM + in over his head coach = a team going nowhere.


  • March 9, 2010  - phred says:

    Pioli has said repeatedly that he will not be a big spender in the early days of free agency. End of story. Crying about the lack of cash being spent is a waste of bandwidth. If you want big spenders, go cheer the Faiders or Deadskins.
    The spend big every year.


  • March 9, 2010  - el cid says:

    Cute phred, I do not follow the raiders or broncos but I have not heard they signed any free agents on the level of the Chiefs’ Palko, yet. As for Pioli and what he says, time will tell. So far it has been more of whisper than a shout.


  • March 9, 2010  - jimbo says:

    We have some young talented players. Not many, but a few. We also have some young players not very talented. Sprinkled into the mix are some quality veterans. A great formula for a 4-12 team. Not what any of us fans are happy with.
    I read a post yesterday drom a fan who lives in Florida. He basically said that Florida is a melting pot of people from all over the country. The overwhelming majority expressed their opinion of the Chiefs as Cheap & Non Contenders. Who can argue with that?. Certainly not me.
    I am going to force myself to believe the new GM, Coaches & staff will get us moving in the right direction. Our young players have top-flite coaches to mentor them. They will get better this year. Pioli is slowly (I’m talking slowly) acquiring better & better players. Just not great players. I believe the Chiefs will have a better record this year. How much better is anybodys guess.
    Patience is a curseword for me. Don’t have it , never will. This is the last regime i’ll ever be patient with.
    Don’t let this Chiefs fan slip away Fellas.
    Go Chiefs.


  • March 9, 2010  - SG says:

    Thomas Jones apparently has not left town. That story is not over.


  • March 9, 2010  - SG says:

    “Penny pinching owner + overrated GM + in over his head coach = a team going nowhere.”

    Do you need a vacation?


  • March 9, 2010  - Slick says:

    The issue is not how fast you spend but how well you spend. It is way too early to be making evaluations on the FA period and how the Chiefs perform. People tend to forget that we did spend money in the Schottenheimer era and most of those pickups were either failures or marginal performers. We can better evaluate the moves being made in the off season at the end of the season.


  • March 9, 2010  - True Red & Gold says:

    If we reason I think it is clear that this is Pioli’s method or at least he is ok with it or why would he have taken the job. Pioli is not only trying to build a winning team he is also trying to build his reputation as a GM. Trust me, he has goals beyond turning the Chiefs into a winning organization. If the Hunts are going to restrict him to the point that he can’t accomplish that he would not have taken the job. Pioli has a formula that he believes in. He is going to try to make that formula work here in KC. We are left to complain about it until we see results. Watch carefully and you can see his philosophy slowly taking shape.


  • March 9, 2010  - Jon in Dayton says:

    If we could get Jones, a younger OL or two, and a middle-rated DB out of free agency to give some more depth and push to the guys we already have, that would be great. I am not a big believer in the first couple days of FA.

    The problem with paying through the teeth for people is that they never seem to match up to even the mediocre players around them. (see Larry J, Haynesworth, Walker, Hall, etc.) I don’t really care how much someone is paid as long as they perform. I want team performers no matter how much they are paid.


  • March 9, 2010  - True Red & Gold says:

    On another note I don’t believe the Bears are spending in desperation so much as necessity. They don’t have the draft picks so they have to pick up the slack in FA. The Chiefs have several early pics and will need money to sign them. They are sill looking to build the core of this team and that will be done thru the draft not FA. I do hope they pick up Jones though.


  • March 9, 2010  - RatsoReily says:

    Let’s see .. Colts, Cards, Steelers .. your examples certainly hit the mark for the Chief’s. I agree we should be patient and let the front office do their jobs but the reality is the Chief’s have so many holes to fill they have to be active in FA. We need smart decisions to bring in quality players but they had better make those decisions. As fans, we should expect nothing less than a competitive team on the field. I’m tired of losing!


  • March 9, 2010  - SG says:

    “The problem with paying through the teeth…”

    Pashos (3 years, $10-million) doesn’t appear to be paying through the teeth…especially in an uncapped 2010 season. We were 4-12 last season – I sure would like to see this organization make its hospitality staff do a whole lot more work than its had to do so far.


  • March 9, 2010  - el cid says:

    I know I bring up money to much (lack of spending it) but if you can delete money from the discussion. Since start of free agency, how have the Chiefs attempted to improve from the 4-12 record of last year? Re-sign team vets they wanted, cut lose vet they felt did not fit, and, added on backup QB, unfathomable choice but whatever. We have remodelled stadium with a grand reopening this year, the NFL has dropped the Chiefs from prime time television, and probably face blackouts in 2010.

    That is just not enough. I am happy for all of those who feel we are heading the right way but, honestly, why? At some point in time carl, herm and the taste of their failure cannot hide the failure of the current management. Even if Pioli blew a bunch of “unmentionable” on a free agent who flopped, who cares? He could say “I tried” but not “nobody was worth the “unmentionable” so here we sit for 5-6 more years trying to build thru the draft, I do not think so.


  • March 9, 2010  - Rick says:

    If memory serves me right we got Joe Montanna and Marcus Allen way after march 1st and they both worked out very well. Everyone was crying for Haynesworth last year how did that work out for the redskins?


  • March 9, 2010  - Richard-in-Carmel says:

    Maybe it’s me, but it seems we are forgetting the devestation the last three coaches and king carl did to the chiefs. Plus, this years draft(very deep) and next years FA market (very, very deep) are coming together like a perfect storm. I hope that Mr Pioli and the coaches see this. 2011 is the year the Chiefs are targeting, I suspect.


  • March 9, 2010  - Danny W says:

    I think were all a little jumpy about Free Agency this year because Scotty told us he would be active and also because we did not draft well last year at all. One impact player. Our trust in Scotty is a little shaken no matter how deep the Draft is. Sometimes I wonder if Clark isn’t trying to sell the Chiefs. Crazy? Crazy is not trying to pick up Jamal Williams when San Diego dropped him. Do we have a Nose Tackle. I mean one outside of Ron Edwards and Dion Gales? We lost Allemen to the Colts who then dumped Lilja. Are we going to pick him up? Why didn’t we just trade the two? Looks like we are going to lose Wade Smith to Houston, Indukwe will never be the lineman Smith was, the guy was seriously horrible last year. Vrabel is 36 and he had two sacks! He might have great character but that will not get us to the playoffs. If these players are still in starting roles for the Chiefs next year I will be pretty convinced that Hunt does not care and is setting up the origination for loss and is going to sell the K.C. Chiefs. Mike Vrabel, Mike Brown, Ron Edwards. AAAAAAh I am seriously frustrated.


  • March 9, 2010  - PnS says:

    There it is Danny W. The draft last year.Bob in his answer to me about Jackson, said the scouts felt we shouldn’t have drafted him. Where is the beef as the commerical use to say.How can I/fans feel good about anything after getting a good look at last years draft or free agent signings . How is our tackle…..Brown doing ?????? To Me there are a lot more Questions than Answers.


  • March 9, 2010  - Mad Chief says:

    Good to see at least a few positive comments among the usual negativity around here. Sometimes I get the feeling that Jimbo and I are the only ones who don’t have the Chicken Little Syndrome that seems to have infected many otherwise good Chiefs fans.

    Interesting note…Pioli was on the radio this morning. He said that he is free to spend whatever money he wants for players…and that he wouldn’t have taken the job he wasn’t. So, unless he was lying…I guess that pretty well blows out of the water any notion that Clark Hunt is “cheap”, as many claim.

    That’s all the “sunshine” I have for today.


  • March 9, 2010  - Paul says:

    I’m sorry, but I think the Chiefs are doing a phenomenal job in FA so far. Who in the heck would they sign for the money these guys want anyway? Really? Some of you guys really wanted Peppers, for example, in a Chiefs jersey? I sure as heck didn’t. The guy plays when he wants to. He’s been known to have locker room problems. And who goes on national tv and says he wants to play elsewhere when he’s still under contract for their team? Apparantly, Peppers does.

    There were plenty other big payday signings from players that didn’t deserve the money. Rolle is a perfect example of that. He wanted more money than Wilson made on his former team. So who was the better safety on the Cardnals for the last few years? … Yeah, that’s what I thought: Wilson by a landslide. The Chiefs are not going to throw silly money at players that will only moderately upgrade your team.

    You want to build a team, you do it through the draft. The draft isn’t for another two months almost. You also can’t call the last draft class a failure yet. Give those guys at least 3 years. Did you know when Drew Brees was drafted by the Chargers that he didn’t start producing until his 3rd year? Which was the exact same year they drafted Rivers.

    Give these Chiefs some time people. I know it’s hard, but c’mon. A new regime steped in last year. They were left with nothing but crap. Maybe they had one or two guys to build around; one of which was the punter for crying out loud. Haley/Pioli have a crap load of work to do, and they won’t fix it in the first or second year even. We’ll find out if we have a team worth rooting for by the third year of this regime.

    FYI it took Ken Whisenhunt, Head Coach of the Cardnals, 3 years as well to get them to the Super Bowl. They were only supposed to make the playoffs that year.

    Give the Chiefs time. Patience, people. Patience. I’m not saying I trust in Pioli and all that BS. I’m saying not to jump the gun and think lightning is going strike with this team and it’s going to be mid 90′s again after just one season of changeover.


  • March 9, 2010  - PnS says:

    Mad Chief……or Mr Sunshine why haven’t you commented on what Bob said about Jackson?????? Ten tell me about all the good thing Pioli has been doing.We have to have positive results to have Sunshine ……don’t we ??????


  • March 9, 2010  - Mad Chief says:

    PnS,

    Bob (and many other experts) have also stated numerous times that’s it too early to judge Jackson, and the rest of the 2009 draft picks. DL is generally considered the toughest position to make the transition from college to NFL. But, what will you do if Jackson (and Magee) start to play well this year? Will you admit that he was a good pick then? Or will you hope he continues to struggle, for the sake of being “right”? Personally, I think the coaching he had last year was crap. Let’s see what Crennel can do with the kid before we run him out of town, huh?

    As far as Brown goes, he was injured almost all of last year. So, it’s kind of difficult to judge a player that hasn’t been on the field. Maybe he works out…maybe he doesn’t. Same with any draft pick. From the #1 pick all the way to Mr. Irrelevant.

    You don’t like Pioli…I get it. That’s fine. I do happen to like the guy, and am willing to give him a realistic time frame in which to build the Chiefs into a good team. It’s football…not a magic show. If the man could turn dog sh*t into gold overnight…he’d probably be in another line of work.


  • March 9, 2010  - SG says:

    “…what will you do if Jackson (and Magee) start to play well this year?”

    To be cruel and ruthless, I would have to judge Magee’s play against what we passed up – the play of Antoine Caldwell and Louis Vasquez.


  • March 9, 2010  - Mad Chief says:

    Well SG…hindsight and foresight are two totally different things. Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to see how your draft picks play in the NFL for a year or two, BEFORE you make the pick? Last time I checked, though…it doesn’t work that way.


  • March 9, 2010  - SG says:

    Let’s not underestimate the value of keeping Chambers — this offense turned around the 2nd half of 2009 with two events…the acquisition of Mr. Chambers…and starting Mr. Charles at RB. Did the line gel – the same one we’re saying needs 1/2 of it replaced – or did the additional weapon make the difference?


  • March 9, 2010  - PnS says:

    No Mad I don’t work that way in my 60yrs. I have been wrong lot’s of times & it well happen again. I don’t relish being right But nor do I want people to say I’am /others are wrong when the jury is still out on the outcome.So I work off of today, not what might be.Most fans judge today, when they post there feeling. I Hope You Are The One That Is Right …..belive me.I Was For Change But I just can’t get the 09 draft out of my opinion……. Today. So Just Like The Weather Outside, Overcast at best. Sunshine Tomorrow ?????


  • March 9, 2010  - SG says:

    “Last time I checked, though…it doesn’t work that way.”

    If I was sitting in the war room with Coach Haley and Don Pioli, I would have asked them what in the wild world of sports they were doing selecting a defensive end for the 2nd time in 3 picks while neglecting the painfully glaring holes we had on the offensive line. I am calling for Don Pioli to have the foresight this FA season to address this issue.


  • March 9, 2010  - Mad Chief says:

    I have no idea if Jackson will “pan out” or not. But, I would say that if Crennel can’t make someting out of him…then no one can.

    As far as what they were thinking when they drafted a DE again? Probably, that we still needed one.


  • March 9, 2010  - Shoe says:

    Building primarily through the draft is by far the best way to go–even though it drives those with short attention spans batty.

    Not much on the market worth spending big bucks on.

    And how many playoff games did the Albert Haynesworth signing result in for Washington?


  • March 9, 2010  - Mark says:

    If you look at Pioli’s draft history at NE, loading up on position of need was not uncommon, and that’s what they did with Magee after T- Jax. We had ZERO 3-4 DE’s at the beginning of the draft, as Dorsey had not played there, and was coming off a horrid rookie season. So stacking up on the position was good business. It worked out that dorsey played the position very well, and took a giant leap from his rookie year, so Magee is now a top reserve and flex guy.


  • March 9, 2010  - Mark says:

    If you look at Pioli’s draft history at NE, loading up on position of need was not uncommon, and that’s what they did with Magee after T- Jax. We had ZERO 3-4 DE’s at the beginning of the draft, as Dorsey had not played there, and was coming off a horrid rookie season. So stacking up on the position was good business. It worked out that dorsey played the position very well, and took a giant leap from his rookie year, so Magee is now a top reserve and flex guy.


  • March 9, 2010  - arrowhead1978 says:

    well the same goes for Mr. Dorsey then doesn’t it? I dont believe he was a bust, yet I hear people claiming that, this year should be his break out year with Crennel manning the D-line coaching. even Josh Looney stated that Dorsey helped out against the run and stated in the game that Dorsey got hurt, it was the most yards allowed rushing and the game after that also was one of the worst.


  • March 9, 2010  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Dorsey did not have a horrid rookie campaign, he was voted to the all-rookie team, how does that happen? Also his rookie year was comparable in stats to any other of the big name DT’s rookie years in the NFL..


  • March 9, 2010  - SG says:

    “We had ZERO 3-4 DE’s at the beginning of the draft, as Dorsey had not played there, and was coming off a horrid rookie season.”

    “Probably, that we still needed one.”

    Fairly presented – keep it up. Stay sharp in case of any more Raider intrusions.


  • March 9, 2010  - Niblick says:

    I just heard we signed Thomas Jones for 2 years for 5MM. I now hope we bring in Ryan Lylga who was released by the Colts. He’s a local kid who played for a Shawnee Mission school and K-State. We lost him to the Colts when Vermeil tried to sneak him through waivers, if I remember correctly. He’s been a solid starter at guard for the Colts for several years. I don’t know why he was released. Perhaps it’s because he’s a better pass blocker than run blocker. and they want to improve their run game.


  • March 9, 2010  - Ron says:

    I do not understand how anyone would think (let alone say) that the Hunt family is trying to sell the KC Chiefs. Remember the money they put in the building project? For those that think the Hunts will run the team into the ground so they can sell them, sounds foolish to me. If they wanted to sell the team, they would build it up to get the greatest value for the team. I seriously doubt that they would sell the team for twice what it is worth, just because of the history of Lamar Hunt, and the memory he left the world in building the football programs we have in America. I think the Chiefs are not for sale.


  • March 9, 2010  - SG says:

    “I now hope we bring in Ryan Lylga…”

    Agreed. They made a nice move getting Jones and now they need to beef up the lines.


  • March 9, 2010  - Kevin B. says:

    Although I do not agree with Mad Chief’s over positivity,kudos to Pioli for getting 2009′s third best rusher for 5M for two years.

    I am hoping O-line is not neglected again. Early on last year it was a joke. We could not do anything because of our Offensive line. I think that is most critical, and I am hoping we by-pass Berry for Okung or Balaga. A second round choice on O-line would be good too, along with a free agent. Then we are one reciever down from being possibly a really good offense.

    On defense, that is another story. It’s a mess. We were bombed on and our run D was atrocious. I don’t have any idea where they will start in fixing that mess.


  • March 9, 2010  - Kevin B. says:

    Keith, I think we should spend it on another W-Reciever. I don’t know what is out there though.
    Also if there are any good free agent o-line prospects that would be a start too. We need some pass rush as well. So I think you spend it anywhere where you can likely upgrade your talent.


  • March 9, 2010  - Danny W says:

    Ron
    You will have to excuse my CRAZY comments some times,I just get a little excited and passionate. I think I even put on there I know it sounds CRAZY, I just said the Chiefs could be for sale to illustrate how much more CRAZY it was to be satisfied with Ron Edwards and Dion Gales when JAMMAL WILLIAMS had been cut from the Chargers not to even schedule an interview with the guy. I think our long term deal is in the draft at nose tackle. But I think Jammal Williams could out play Ron Edwards or Dion Gales. To illustrate my other point on TYSON JACKSON. The scouts did not want him period. But we needed a 3-4 Defensive end. So as along time Chiefs fan I am not used to picking number 3 overall. TYSON JACKSON WAS A REACH THERE and WILL ALWAYS BE reach there. I do like the moves at O coordinator D coordinator and picking up TJ was needed. I think Cassel is the QB of the future. I would just like to see a little more contention.


  • March 9, 2010  - Merwin in NY says:

    Thanks Bob, you proved my point in last nights post about the Redskins except that we ended up beating them! I am sorry we missed on WR Boldin, but with his injury problems I am not so sure he is worth the money (better to trade for WR Austin of Dallas). I believe Dorsey and Jackson will end up being better players each year they play. I also believe we need to wait till this fall to fully evaluate this offseason, one week of free agency doesn’t make the whole offseason.
    “Mad Chief” and “arrowhead1978″, keep up with you’re positive posts, its great to hear reason amongst all the gloom and doom! GO CHIEFS!


  • March 9, 2010  - Mad Chief says:

    Kevin B. says:

    “On defense, that is another story. It’s a mess. We were bombed on and our run D was atrocious. I don’t have any idea where they will start in fixing that mess.”

    I think the “start” is Romeo Crennel.




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