The 13-3 Chiefs All-Stars

I’ll tell you why he didn’t get a championchip, Bob. Its because when the games got tight (and many of them shouldn’t have been) he played not to lose instead of putting the hammer down. The defenses played too much prevent. Gunther was a master at shutting people down but in far too many critical situations, he called defenses that allowed HUGE 3rd down plays.

Too much of that is why KC had enough of Marty Ball. They were great coaches…just not in the clutch. Marty never learned his lesson from “THE DRIVE” in Cleveland.

It’s hard to argue with those choices Bob. I think I agree with you. It sure was a shame. If only….if only…..

I would have to agree with the majority of selections. Perhaps Waters and Alt could be argued but Roaf is a sure HOF player and Szott never received the recognition he deserved. Those defenses under Marty were awesome. They controlled the games and made it so much fun to watch. Marty should have gotten a championship and it’s a shame it didn’t happen for him and us. I’ll always be convinced we would have if Montana stuck around for 1 more year and been paired with that great 95 defense. Ifs and buts huh, but it was sure fun watching those teams. I get the feeling we are on the path to return to those days at Arrowhead.

Man, those were some great OLs. Sad we didn’t win a championship….so close….so close

Hey guys dont worry! Its been six years since our last 13-3 team, and before that, six years…see what im gettin at.

At kick receiver, do you take Tamerick Vanover or Dante Hall?

I like the choices of Dave Szott, Joe Phillips and Willie Davis.

I’d put John Alt over Roaf. Alt — 10 years at LT, was excellent. QBs and Coaches had no worries. Roaf is HOF, but his golden years were spent elsewhere.

“Seasons/13+ Victories, Total Super Bowls 1995-2008″

- to paraphrase Hilary Clinton, a football sense: “it takes a team to win a Superbowl.” Yet, beyond that conspicuous aspect considered and affirmed - said 13 win teams Superbowl totals being: KC and TEN 0, DEN, GB & IND 1 each & NE 3 - the obvious that stands out is the QB for each those teams… specifically, a knack or lack ‘greatness’.

HOF caliber QBs Elway, Favre, Manning and Brady generously dot the winners side, while the list of also-ran good to even All Star caliber types announce Green and McNair…players yet a notch below the winning four, teams that too ended up a notch below hoped destination.

Did Lin Elliott lose it for KC in 1995, or was it Steve “Don’t Call Me Sonny or U2″ Bono? Had Elvis not been in the building in ‘97 would Rich Gannon have brought the house down/prevailed?

Too, would a Manning or Elway or the like have made the difference for Kaycee in 1995? 1997? ‘03 despite swiss-cheese defense? Who can say.

Variables are many: Elway was a 3-time Superbowl loser sans HB Terrell Davis being in tow, 1985’s Bears had a Kilmer-esque Jim McMahon at QB which was sufficient in conjunction with a defense his in CHI which may have been the best ever. On the other, NE was a loser with QB Bledsoe yet became a winner with Brady.

While the road to success travels many splendored paths more often than not the QB is the catalyst, this the case going back to the very beginning of the Superbowl series, Bart Starr being the MVP in #1 & #2 (even though some felt a WR - Max McGee - was the MVP Superbowl 1), Joe Namath was the MVP in #3, Len Dawson MVP in #4 - all HOF QBs.

To this day more than half of the Superbowl MVPs have been QB’s, with apologies to McMahon, Trent Dilfer and their ilk. Bias any aside, this is an indication of where the best player on the field stars from in the opinion voters.

So while the fact is there’s more than one way to skin a cat, in KC the only teams that ever got to or won a Superbowl were the 2 football Cadillac’s which were driven by our own HOF QB Len Dawson.

KC has never replaced Lenny, and more likely than not we will not win another Superbowl until we do.

Curious, If Lenny The Cool still has that 63 Merc convertible that he was awarded for being selected AFL Player of the year in 62. LOL

Nice OL’ ride!

Or that even cooler ‘70 Dodge Challenger RT which Lenny won as MVP Superbowl IV, & on which propped his lovely, late wife Jackie atop for those SPORT magazine publicity pics?

I still own and drive my own ‘70 Hemi Challenger; as with my football loves, any car as Chiefs team built after January ‘70 is of no great concern to me, for in each case they don’t make em like that anymore.

“built after January ‘70 is of no great concern to me, for in each case they don’t make em like that anymore.”

I can’t argue that, not as far as “Muscle Cars” go.
Although some of the new Mustangs and the new Challenger are intriguing. Never been much of a Vet guy.

My favorite of all the cars I owned in my youth was my 69 Charger R/T and a 67 Ford XL. imo they didn’t make em like that in those days either, they were just special cars, and purchased off the wages of a whole lotta hard work. At a nickle a bail!

I’ve owned many cars of yesteryear, most of them befitting the taste developed in youth & realized teen/adult years.

Today, the lovelies in my ‘carem’ number but 4 - 3 of which emanated from the greatest time e’er in cardom my opine, the 1960s:

1970 Dodge Challenger RT 426 Hemi
1968 Dodge Charger RT 440 Six-Pack
1969 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray ZL-1 427

The other is a 1930 Duesenberg which I inherited and as such, have not been of a mind to sell; it is a masterpiece.

I have no use for modern ’styling’ (where’s the vomit bag), space-age looking instrument panels and wheels/rims that look tacky etc; I’d ride a bicycle before I’d own one of today’s.

I’ve driven newer cars including the Challenger, Vette, Viper etc - they’re garbage in my humble opinion…I would rather drive a 60s Volkswagen Beetle than anything made today.

The old cars didn’t stop great, didn’t turn as well etc., but unlike today’s excuses for cars they had legitimate eye appeal - not to mention that they were and remain a whole lot more fun. I’ve no use for cars with TVs, humongous stereo systems & other superfluous garbage a generation this finds must haves.

Though I don’t race on public streets, it is my cars given thumbs up and challenged regularly at stoplights (befitting a law-abiding tack mine I decline and tell them to “enjoy your fantasy” when they wonder why, nod toward late father a Police Officer & common sense.) Too, it’s always amusing how many looks the old school rides get from younger folks, comparison to the newer cars.
I’ve no interest in their rides yet they fall in love with mine…hats off to Detroit yesteryear.

Here’s a note of interest - the Obama-ite types & assorted cretins who want to crush older vehicles are now at work the legislative halls California in an attempt to outlaw all ‘black’ vehicles due to ‘environmental’ concerns…wow. How far we’ve fallen; cue Twilight Zone music…end is near.

I Agree with your opinion on these ridicules sound systems. A trunk full of woofer or a keg? Give me the keg! (although I’m high on satellite radio) And I’d also have to add an Amen, to your sermon on the UGLY low profile tires and wheels of today, even though I understand enough about physics to know that “low profile” tires are far superior to the 50/60 series tires were in performance. There still UGLY. Give me a set of Craiger Slots with a 60 series tire any day! But is fools folly to shun the new, just because it’s new.

Back to football & the Chiefs I follow each today more so out of habit than love as afore. The game is not, sadly, what it once was . . . nor are the players. Like cars no comparison, each.

Seems to me in this garish 21st century ours, the Chiefs wouldst be more interested in standing out in any way they could.

This is another reason I stated afore they should go back to the larger helmet arrowheads - it not only stands out more (are you reading this Clark Hunt?) but also looks better by far than current dinky ones affixed. ‘Warpaint’ the horse, George Toma-esque painted fields and endzones (not to mention Championship football - not seen around these parts since January 1970).

Oh I forgot - cue Sergio Leone movie soundtrack - all that would cost “a few dollar$ more”…never mind.

Unless Marty changed his philosophy, he was never going to go as far as he should have in the playoffs. It’s no accident he had the playoff record he does. When you play to keep it close, and ty to win in the 4th quarter, you’ll lose, as our last joke Head Coach showed conclusively. At least Marty had guts in the regular season.
I’d go with Kennison or even Morton from the 2003 team over Willie Davis, with Greg Wesley over Brian Washington at Safety, and the 2003 Waters, who was the best G in Football that year, over Szott in a close call.

K ought to be a guy who did not play anyof those games, Nick Lowery. If we have Nick we win in ‘95 for sure, probably ‘99 too and have a Super Bowl here.

Stoyonovich ought to be nammed. a la Joe Axelson, from being allowed to stop at KCI even if the plane has an emergency.

that is not nammed, its banned

Bob, can you please revisit that 97 team and the playoff loss to Denver. Specifically the TG play in the endzone where he was called out of bounds.

Here’s how I remember it: the push rule was in effect (meaning if forced out of bounds altho he would have landed in, consider a catch - td in this case)

TG caugght the pass after jumping straight up in the air.. he was pushed hard.. so hard he came down horizontally and his upper torso landed out of bands.. his legs landed in bounds. the only problem was that the force of the push was great enough that his upper body landed 1st.

Am I wrong in my rememberance of that play and the rule at the time?? Of course we then tried the FG that Dave Szott was called for a phantom hold.. pushing us back and resulting in a missed FG. The rest is history.

As for the all star team, I’d have to take Eddie Kennison over Willie Davis. Put Willie in the slot though!