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142 Responses to “Premium Service Up & Running”

  • July 7, 2010  - Rick says:

    Why dont you go after sponsers instead of your readers. I’ve really enjoyed your page, hate to see it end.

  • July 7, 2010  - DanL51 says:

    Bob I am sorry to see you are going to put a price on your website and info, and with that you will lose this reader. Because there is way to much good info out there for free. Bye Boob

  • July 7, 2010  - Bob Gretz says:

    Rick: We’ve been going after sponsors for two years and there simply is not enough to stay afloat. IF you enjoyed the page, understand that it’s about 16 cents a day from August 1 through Jan. 2

  • July 7, 2010  - Bob Gretz says:

    DanL51: sorry you feel the way you do, but it will be your loss. And by the way, nothing in life is free. Bye DorkL51

  • July 7, 2010  - Marc says:

    Bob, that’s really too bad. I will be among those no longer be visiting the web site, which is incredibly unfortunate, as I enjoyed your coverage of the Chiefs very much.

    Best of luck to you, and GO CHIEFS!

  • July 7, 2010  - Michael says:

    Bob, don’t worry, your loyal readers and contributors fully understand the reality that no one could put as much time and effort as you do into a site like this without some compensation. I hope you can get the right numbers at $25 a pop. Perhaps, if you can gather enough, advertisers will take more notice and put some more ads on.

    I enjoy the site for your articles, guest articles, and because generally there’s a great group of fans who post often with their opinions and ideas. I don’t always agree with you or them, or vise-versa, but the exchange of perspectives is usually interesting. Of course, there are a lot of other sites with free info, but yours is unique and I think the best for Chiefs info.

    Your really should have a sign in with a password, even for non-paying customers. That way you can count the click-throughs of both.

    Anyway, I’m fine with 25 bucks, and I’ll definitely be signed up before August 1.

  • July 7, 2010  - More Mustard Please says:

    I’m a little shocked here. I’ve been reading Bob’s site for over a year now. There is no better or more in-depth coverage…free or subscription based. The Chiefs site is a joke. Frankly, I’ve been wondering how he does it.

    But the real surprise here is because not all the posts will be free; some readers feel they won’t visit at all. Truly, their loss! (Jack Smack-ites)

    My birthday is in two weeks. I’m sure my wife would feel this is a perfect present…but I’m not taking any chances. I’m signing up tonight.

    Thanks for the great coverage Bob…I’m glad to help be a part of it continuing.

  • July 7, 2010  - Chefs says:

    I just want to thank you for allowing us to read this site free for 2 years…I will gladly pay my $25. There is no Chiefs season without the insight and intellect of Bob Gretz.

  • July 7, 2010  - Cap't Jack says:

    Ditto Mustard & Chefs. It’s $25. I spend more than that at Buffalo Wild Wings!

    I’m in…there’s no season without this website.

  • July 7, 2010  - MIke53 says:

    Where? Where is there good stuff out there for free. I don’t know of a single free site with local presence that doesn’t have an agenda. The Chiefs site is beyond useless. And most of the other sites all quote Bob’s.

    You can either listen to 6 hours of free sports talk and try to seperate the truth from filler…or continue visiting the best source of Chiefs information out there. Which they already knew…or they wouldn’t be here already!

  • July 7, 2010  - Bob To Go To Premium Content | Arrowhead Addict | A Kansas City Chiefs blog says:

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  • July 7, 2010  - CosmicPal says:

    I’m disappointed with the change to premium content, but I do completely understand. Bob and his staff provide remarkable news and content and should be rewarded for their genuine effort. Being unemployed for over a year, I can’t afford to pay for a subscription-based service at this time, so I’ll have to wait until I secure a job before I can start enjoying your posts again.

    I just wish you would have considered a donation-based service to begin with. I appreciate everything that you do for us fans and I would honor your tireless work by donating money now and then to continue my support and gratitude. It’s just that I can’t afford a subscription right now. Sadly, I’m going to missing out.

  • July 7, 2010  - SGL says:

    Good for you Bob! You should probably have been charging all along. It is beyond me why anyone would think they should get the depth of what you provide for free. Sixteen cents a day? Sure! Skip one large coffee a week and you’ve got it covered dudes.

  • July 7, 2010  - macgyver says:

    Bob, I have enjoyed your columns as well and understand why you are charging, but I will not be able to subscribe. Sorry about that,but keep up the good work.

  • July 7, 2010  - Johnfromfairfax says:


    Count me in. I fully understand your need to offer a premium service in order to make a living. There are few sites I would pay to read or recommend to others. Yours is at the top of the list. I will sign up tomorrow as I’m checking in late tonight. I’m looking forward to the season and your continued insight and informed opinions.

  • July 7, 2010  - Johnfromfairfax says:


    Count me in. I fully understand your need to offer a premium service in order to make a living. There are few sites I would pay to read or recommend to others. Yours is at the top of the list. I will sign up tomorrow as I’m checking in late tonight. I’m looking forward to the season and your continued great insight and informed opinions. Keep up the good work indeed.

  • July 8, 2010  - Morten, Denmark says:

    Bob, 100% support from me; I will sign up now. Obviously the best Chief-site can’t run for free.

  • July 8, 2010  - Randy says:

    Bob, Best Chiefs site hands down. I am more than happy to pay my $25. I just hope that this all works out and you can keep us informed on the Chiefs the way no one else does. Keep up the great work I really appreciate it.


  • July 8, 2010  - Jess, Federal Way, WA says:

    Bob, I would just like to say thanks for all the quality work you’ve provided over the years. It’s completely understandable to make the switch to a “pay” site. I for one will be signing up. Go CHIEFS!

  • July 8, 2010  - el cid says:

    I will try it for a year, heck, I may have suggested it long ago because of posters like rintintin (but, happy, I do not think so). But that said the site has to clean up it operation. Jan thru Mar, could not post a thing, then went thru a period where the site got the post but did not post it althought it recognized the fact I sent it. Also paying my own way, I expect less censureship about items posted, not vulgar items but things the Chiefs might feel are less than loving, those sometimes seem to go into space and disappear.

  • July 8, 2010  - Dan-NY says:

    We’ve been able to preview free quality Gretz-brand content for two years. Sure you’ll continue to have something available as free-access, but NO ONE has your combination of knowledge, experience, insight — and access. I will be signing up, rather than settling for less elsewhere.

    Guys, the man’s gotta eat! The subscription is about the cost for two to go to the movies. I’d rather read ALL of Bob’s professional reporting devoted to the team we love.


  • July 8, 2010  - Justin Foote says:

    I guess is going the way of the newspaper and dodo bird. I refuse to pay for news as long as I can find it for free, even if Bob is hillarious. I’m sorry Bob, I am the weakest link……Goodbye.

  • July 8, 2010  - Nick says:

    Wow Bob, How dare you want to make a living from your writing. How dare you ask for the very audience your writing for to pay for what they read. How dare you use the American way to make a buck. Shame on you Bob for doing what every other business man tries to do…and that’s make a living. That was sarcasm for those that can’t figure it out.

  • July 8, 2010  - RW in the ATL says:

    Bob Gretz premium for $25???

    Cheap at twice the price. I’m in.

  • July 8, 2010  - Paul says:

    Really, there are knuckleheads complaining about $25 for content that…sorry isn’t available any where else. Must be the “Hope and Change” crowd that thinks everyone else should pay their way. Well this $25 is part of that Change. Hope you enjoy that awesome coverage over at the Star.

  • July 8, 2010  - Paul says:

    Mr Gretz,

    I’ve been reading Bob Gretz articles since you were writing for the Chiefs site in the early 2000s. There is not a better person that reports on the Chiefs in my opinion. Sure there are and out there, but those sites just regurgitate information being written from other various sites around the web. They don’t give their own in depth coverage like Bob does. I’ll pony up the $25, because I know I’ll be getting the best coverage of my favorite team in the world.

    My only questions is, now that I’ll be a paying customer of this site, what new content will or should we expect to see?

  • July 8, 2010  - el cid says:

    I am not sure just who some of you are, you sure do not post much. Just hope you put your money where your “warm and fuzz”s are. Site is full of info but the posts make the site otherwise Bob is just talking to himself in a closet.

  • July 8, 2010  - Brandon Spano says:

    Wow. I cannot believe the ammount of selfish inconsiderate banter that is spewing from the keyboards of you unworthy Vagabonds.

    As somebody who knows exactly what it is like to run a website with almost no other help from anybody else, I am SHOCKED that Bob Gretz has done this as long as he has.

    With no major corporation pushing his site and almost no other writer on his site, he continues to plug away, spending as much time writing as some of you do at your current job every week. The fact that you expect him to continue to do this for free because you would rather bring home chinese food tonight instead of reading his articles for the next 6 months, is mind blowing.

    The reaction from readers like Justin Foote, Rick, Marc, and Dan is why it is impossible to justify spending this amount of time on an independant website no matter how good of a writer you are.

    Those of you who I just named are responsible for taking away a lot of great information from the rest of us.

    Bob Gretz has my 25 bucks, no problem.

    Is that it Bob, seriously?

    Maybe you can justify to your loving and supportive wife why you spend 8 hours a day couped up in your office now. These other guys must not have wives.

    Best of luck buddy.

  • July 8, 2010  - Rob says:

    I certainly understand, but your timing couldn’t possibly be worse. There are many of us out here in the same boat as you… just trying to make ends meet in a time when cash for non necessities is decreasing at a rapid rate.

    I sure have enjoyed reading your columns, but my priorities are elsewhere. I wish you luck, but don’t count on seeing my name on your roster any time soon.

  • July 8, 2010  - Tenand6 says:

    Just GLADLY paid and will buy another for my son. This is LONG OVERDUE. This site is so far beyond any other Chiefs site it isn’t debatable. I hope you make enough money to continue to do this a long, long time. $25 for a year? Are you kidding me? Anyone who buys The Star for Chiefs info would be better off dropping that subscription and joining here.

  • July 8, 2010  - RickW says:

    I am like elcid. I don’t recognize alot of these who are posting now. Maybe a way for Bob to generate interest for his site. I have checked this site everyday for 2 years and although at one time I thought Bob had a big hard on for the new management and it showed through his journalism I do believe he has done a very good job in the last six months of covering chiefs news. I have posted many a time on here but unfortunately at this time won’t pay $25.00 to read premium news. Not that I can’t afford it just that I to can choose to pay or not to pay and at this time I choose not to pay. Good luck Mr. Gretz. One curious question though why when the Chiefs got rid of you didn’t you go to another city and start covering their games?

  • July 8, 2010  - BIG F says:

    Glad to see the majority of people are willing to pay, thanks Bob! You can count me in…

  • July 8, 2010  - Randy B says:

    I’ll try to scratch $25 up by the start of training camp, because I do enjoy this site. It’s just difficult right now, I do fully understand why you’re doing this though.

  • July 8, 2010  - ChiefMedicineMan says:

    What a bargain, Bob!
    I have only posted a few times before but I read your articles nearly every day. No other site is more in-depth, well thought-out and generally, entertainingly, full of fresh info about the Chiefs. Coincidently, today I am cancelling a $100+ subscription to a “premium” Chiefs site that posts about 2-3 new articles a week. A WEEK! Largely because your site is 10 times better. Thanks for your work! I’ll sign up soon.

  • July 8, 2010  - ChiefMedicineMan says:

    For those who want help Bob, be sure to click on the Sponor’s Ads!

  • July 8, 2010  - Jim says:

    Hey Bob, Just subscribed for your premium services. I was one of those that was willing to pay for your services many months ago.

    If there is a choice between your valued info or none at all, especially a die hard fan like me, is a no brainer.

    On the other hand, I feel bad for the premium members that will have to continue reading my opinions while butchering the english language at the same time.
    Go Chiefs.

  • July 8, 2010  - JohnNdallas says:

    Mr Gretz, I’ve been reading your stuff for a VERY long time, all the way back to the 80′s. From the Star to that old rag “Chiefs Report” (Bob you’d be amazed at all the places around the world that little gem found me when I was in the Corps) I’ve always enjoyed your stuff for the most part, but I’m torn here.I have a real problem paying for news.
    I don’t understand why your having such a problem finding advertisers, but yet a couple young guys (brothers) that do basically nothing other than regurgitate information from other sources (very often yours) seem to have unlimited advertisers and a major sponsor. How is it that a man with your back ground, notoriety and over 30 yrs of experience can not? Something in this scenario “does not compute”.

    I also have another real beef w/you. That is the way you handled a particular commenter (err didn’t handle) you know who I’m referring too! He ruined your site and you allowed it to happen! Why?!
    The first yr of the site was OUTSTANDING! People would hang out here and use it almost as a chat room, I couldn’t begin to guess at how many hits you had a day, but I know it had to be enough to attract advertisers. Commenter after commenter begged and pleaded with you to do something about the pirating of names and all the spamming that that jackass pulled, but Bob, you just coasted. Why?!

    Seems like you made your bed and now your not comfortable in it so you’d like others to sleep in it with you err for you. That’s disturbing to me. I’ve made it a policy of mine to never reward some one who would rather ignore a problem child than deal with it, and that’s exactly what you’ve done Bob.

    I’m going to have to do some serious thinking on this before I commit. But either way Mr. Gretz, I truly hope things work out for you. I’ve read your stuff for so long, I feel like an old friend is moving away. I think your a genuinely good person, and I’ve always enjoyed your writing, so if I decide not to partake in your future endeavor there will be a void.

    To sum up….It’s hard to be mad and disgusted at you for your hands off almost lackadaisical approach to your site, but still take a $25 hit on the ol’ CC.

    An Appreciative, LONG time reader

  • July 8, 2010  - Thomas says:

    First post, let’s see what I got for the money.

  • July 8, 2010  - The Morning Fix | Arrowhead Addict | A Kansas City Chiefs blog says:

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  • July 8, 2010  - MikeO says:

    I too am confused, it seems that other sites have plenty of ads, even a iphone app for free. I’m going to miss coming to this site. Good luck to you Bob.

  • July 8, 2010  - Justin Foote says:

    JohnNdallas really put it better than I did.

  • July 8, 2010  - Todd says:

    I need some clarification…

    Many here are saying “Just $25 a year…”, and your announcement states $25 a season. What is the time interval for “a season?”

  • July 8, 2010  - gorillafan says:

    dont like it, but i said before that i would pay, so im putting my money where my mouth is!!

  • July 8, 2010  - St. Paul 1 says:

    I haven’t decided yet whether I will subscribe. If not, I will miss the info and insight that can’t be found elsewhere.

    That said, I share some of the misgivings of JohnNdallas. Although it was finally resolved, the issue with the person or persons stealing others’ identities went on far too long (I never got worked up about RinTinTin, whose ramblings were often barely decipherable and always over the top, but often amusing — but that’s another issue).

    Once the site moves to a subscription basis, I would hope a bit more attention will be paid to format and site mechanics.

    Anyway, good luck, Mr. Gretz. It’s obviously becoming increasingly difficult to turn a profit in journalism, and I hope you have great success.

  • July 8, 2010  - colby says:

    I was definitely one of the main supporters of a system like this back when you know who was single-handedly wrecking your site. I said that a log in system and a fee would fix the problem. It seems like you are doing it a little late.

    I will sign up. Bad economy or not, this is freaking America people! If you can’t scrounge up 25 bucks by cutting something out of your spending (a few Starbucks, a night out at dinner, a lap dance, a few beers, whatever) then you are just making excuses and blaming the wrong person for your financial woes. I’ll be signing up in the next few days Bob.

    HOWEVER, you MUST make sure that your “premium” customers never have to deal with the type of crap we all put up with in the comments section for so long! If you allow that garbage to slide as long as you did before once I am PAYING you for use of this space, then not only will I never pay a dime again, I will divert as many people away as possible. That being said, I’m sure you will take care of us who pay to subscribe. You’ve all ready done a lot for us without charge for two years and I trust this will be well worth a mere 25 bones.

  • July 8, 2010  - Tim says:

    For those of you who will not be visiting here anymore and would like a good Chiefs site visit !

  • July 8, 2010  - Adrian says:

    Aw, shucks. I had just started commenting more often. Oh well. I’ll take whatever Bob will give for free.

  • July 8, 2010  - Michael says:

    Information may be free; informed perspective and analysis of the kind Gretz brings to the table are not (or are heavily advertister supported).

    I, too, believe Bob should be able to land more advertisers, but there’s only so much time in a day and I’m sure he doesn’t employ a full-time salesperson. And maybe Bob just isn’t all that saavy when it comes to that kind of stuff. Having paid service and a password and sign in system even for the free content might go a long way in helping Bob gather more information about his readership to show advertisers. They like numbers.

    In the meantime, yes, if an ad is clickable, click it. That will help.

  • July 8, 2010  - jimbo says:

    I’m amazed that so many of you are willing to sell out on what is important here. Bob is the most informed, most trusted, “go to guy” in Chiefs nation. He is a regular Joe like the rest of us. He has lived & breathed Chiefs for 30 some years. He sends his kids to college, he pays his bills & puts his pants on one leg at a time. Just like the rest of us.

    There is no tyranny, no hidden agenda & no fine print. The single most talented & informed Chiefs voice is being railroaded & brushed off as if he does’nt matter. He matters to me, my Chiefs world rocks with him in it. Can you really as a Die-Hard Chiefs fan ignore or do without his gift of Chiefs info for a mere $25 bucks.

    I’m sure that Bob has struggled & fought this decision for a long time. Not out of greed or glory. But for sustinence & purpose.

    He is on the Hall of Fame commitee, the Chiefs voice & torch bearer for 30 some years. Yeah, he’s made a little money here & there. Not rich, not without & most of all not arrogant. He has probably turned down lofty job opportunities over the years. You want to know why he turned them down? Because he did not want to leave the KC area. This is his home… His kids Home… He loves us, he loves the Chiefs. Enough said.

    I’m a proud premium member of
    Go Chiefs.

  • July 8, 2010  - True Red & Gold says:

    Bob knows his audience and I am sure stressed over this decision for some time. Fair weather fans abound, although many begged for this some time ago they now are hesitant. Some are making excuses and blaming Bob for not regulating his free and experimental blog some time ago and are still holding a grudge. Others are making threats that if Bob does not deliver they will attempt to sabotage his efforts.

    I love your sight Bob but honestly don’t know why you bother sometimes.

  • July 8, 2010  - Insider says:

    Jimbo well said. And True Red & Gold…you are absolutely correct. I know this man – and can tell you, Bob agonized over this for more than a year. And while I don’t have to personally cover the cost of my traveling to 10 away games a year, I would imagine Bob’s expenses are in the $10K plus range. (That’s 400 subscribers just to cover one set of expenses…not to mention a mortgage or groceries).

    But I must take extreme disagreement with JohnNdallas. John; since the day they began printing newspapers, they’ve charged for them. Let me ask, which is better content, the Star or Pitch. Okay…bad example. More than 68% of households in America have Cable or Satellite TV now. Meaning they pay for content they used to receive for free…because either content quantity or quality. And though, there are nearly 35 movies available daily without leaving the house, the Motion Picture industry is very strong – serving a simple human desire of being “first to know.”

    Gretz’s site is consistently (if not solely) the first outlet of non-biased Chiefs information. Yes, the Chiefs site post press releases 10 minutes before they officially release it. But even when Gretz doesn’t tell you ahead of time what is coming, you get more than a simple copy of the “press release” And getting the back-story, alone, is worth the $25.

    Finally, as a broadcaster for nearly 30 years – the sole decision 7 years ago for KCTV5 to drop sports out of there 6 & 10 news…was lack of interest by advertisers. Make no mistake, the NFL is growing due to TV revenue. But this revenue comes from advertising during the game, not generalized news coverage of the league. Both the NFL Network, and NFL films are in major belt tightening modes. The NFL network will likely change hands. And NFL films has begun charging for everything they do. You see less and less of the vintage-type footage based on the theories of “what used to be free, no one wants to pay for now.” And without advertising being willing to pay for it…it will come down to who wants to see it, paying for it.

    I’ve covered the Chiefs since the 80′s. Bob has been inside every locker room of every game that I have been in. And I’ve been in every locker room of the last 500 Chiefs games. I’ve heard stories of Bob collasping from pain in between pre-game air segments on 101 the Fox.

    By comparison, the free information you get from Jack Harry has come from the vast experience of the two times I’ve seen him at Arrowhead in that same period. It’s true, Jack has figured out that what gets people to watch is the “Jason Whitlock Contraveray over Fact Effect.” Has Priest Holmes ever admited that tumor?

    Not trying to defend Bob per se…cause he wouldn’t want that – and doesn’t need that. Nor am I trying to offend you, because I know it’s a change. But IMHO this isn’t ticker scrolled news that you can find for free.

    And Bob, for what it is worth. You are the finest journalist I’ve met throughout my career. What you do here, is beyond the value of a subscription. And I truly believe die hard Chiefs fans know this as well.

    Best of luck on the change.

  • July 9, 2010  - Jake says:

    Bob, I’d appriciate if you can answer this: what kind of steps, if any, will be taken to make sure that the information on the premium side won’t be spread around to the various Chiefs’ sites and message boards?

    I have no problem signing up for the service, but I imagine I speak for a lot of people when I say that I would feel kind of stupid paying for premium content and then seeing the info I’m paying for popping up for free all over the place.

    In fact, I’m willing to bet there are many people who would buy premium access, but won’t because they just assume they’ll be able to get it for free.

    I think clarifying this issue will go a long way towards boosting sales.

  • July 9, 2010  - pharmer says:

    I’ve read your stuff every day for the last 2 years. I really appreciate the content that we can’t find anywhere else. As for the posting issues, I’m sure that there are many like me that jump on the site for the news and don’t really pay much attention to the opinions of the posters.

    Bottom line…25$. I figure I owe you that for the info and entertainment over the last 2 years if nothing else, so count me in. Thanks for keeping it reasonable. I was afraid it was going to be 10$/month or something like that.

    Good luck.

    Will you let us know sometime how many subscribers you have?

  • July 9, 2010  - KC_Guy says:

    Helping to reduce the US trade decifit – 25$ from Germany on their way!

  • July 9, 2010  - Kenneth says:

    I’m in but I can understand some not jumping in if they are unemployed, etc. ‘times are hard’ but as for myself I would spend about as much or more meeting some friends for wings and some beers on one trip to Hooters. LOL

    Bob – Joining is just a little payback from me for all the years i’ve been reading your articles on the Chiefs for free. I’m an old Chiefs fan, started following them when they moved from Dallas to KC and i’ll still be a Chiefs fan when they drop me in a hole and throw dirt in my face.

  • July 9, 2010  - gorillafan says:


    Awesome post!! I couldnt agree more

  • July 9, 2010  - sdchief says:

    if Bob had returned my msgs about my good friend passing away…but I got no news…nothing…and that sucked for the rest of my family.

    as for the website, you know…I love AP,Gretz…but with looney having his practice reports…I cant justify paying 25 bucks for some camp reports.

  • July 9, 2010  - sdchief says:

    those with the “gosh, how dare you charge” in sarcasm…really guys? how much free content exists? A TON…how much pay content is worth it…WPI? HA! Espn Insider? HA!

    people then call the KC site a joke…WHAT? go to the blog/Looney…the practice reports are near identical. Bob does provide a nice perspective, one that I do respect.

    sucks arrowheadpride wont be able to link bob’s camp stuff…I may fold and buy a subscription as I was here DAY ONE under and alex screen name.

    best of luck either way…I still wish I was informed around the time of FG’s passing

  • July 9, 2010  - pwm001 says:

    Wow! We may actually have to skip a haircut or 2 to get on the site. I know the economy sucks and you may not be able to afford the subscription, but $25 really is nothing for what you get here. I’m sure we’ve all had to cut back, but do we really think we can continue to read Bob’s hard work for free? BTW Bob, thanks for the free introductory rate for the first 2 years! By my count, you’ve had close to 2,500 posts since you started. That calculates to a mere 2 cents per post. Talk about your 2 cents worth..ha ha… Count me in….

  • July 9, 2010  - Don in Wichita says:

    There are too many good comments which I don’t need to repeat to make a point. I too have read here since day one. I read Bob’s stuff on the Chiefs site before that. I too will join as I include this site as a must read every day. Times are tight here too. Most of the time a person affords what they want to afford. I’ll find something I like less to pass on to pony up to a quality site. A member get together at Gretz day at training camp would allow us to put faces with the names which would be cool. Count me in Bob!!

  • July 9, 2010  - dan in joplin says:

    i’ll for sure sign up! i have been a loyal reader/follower of bob since the early 90′s when i caught the “cheif’s bug” (bob, i sure miss those sideline reports from the radio days!)For anybody who has been around bob’s writing and insight for anytime @ all,you understand that $25 is a SMALL PRICE TOO PAY for the quality of content you will receive not to mention the entertainment. i am one of those “who are these guys” that hasn’t ever posted, but sure thought about it during the rin tin tin days! :) But i have enjoyed all the comments you guys have been making over the last 2 years.

  • July 9, 2010  - Gary in IL says:


    I will pay the $25.00. I have no problem paying this. My wife will roll her eyes, and say another subscription. I make your site a priority evereday and wish you nothing but the best.

    Gary in IL

  • July 9, 2010  - Cap't Jack says:

    Don in Wichita, “Gretz day at training camp!” I love this! BOB, please make this happen. Somebody volunteer to grill burgers or something.

    I seriously love that idea. One-on-one with the most knowledgable guy on our team. And a chance to put some faces with names.

    How have we not though of this before?

  • July 9, 2010  - Gump says:

    How does one sign up without a credit card?

  • July 9, 2010  - jimbo says:

    You got to admit Bob, A party (BBQ) with your peers is a great idea. Nothing fancy, just a bunch of rabid Chiefs fans celebrating their team together. Even if you make a cameo appearence, it would be special, just the same.

    Go Chiefs.

  • July 9, 2010  - Cap't Jack says:

    Gump. Just sign up with PayPal. It’s free and you don’t NEED a credit card. They’ll send an e-check to Bob. Totally safe. I’ve been using PayPal for almost a decade without any incident.

  • July 9, 2010  - Don says:

    Surely someone in KC knows how to grill??………

  • July 10, 2010  - hammer816 says:

    I give up. You’ve obviously given up too. Anyone can see that this site is not even close to having the content that would warrent having paid subscribers. I really will miss your opinions and the style in which you express them.

  • July 10, 2010  - RickW says:

    Bob I will go ahead and get a subscription now. Thanks for taking the time and answering responses. I always thought you were an employee of the chiefs. The radio station made a mistake getting rid of you. Also one last comment. Rin tin tin was annoying as hell but his comments never bothered me. I always though it was fat a$$ whitlock!!

  • July 10, 2010  - Darren says:


    “I really will miss your opionions…”

    doesn’t’ seem congruent with

    “Anyone can see that this site is not even close to having the content that would warrent [sic] having paid subscribers.”

  • July 10, 2010  - D. Carter says:

    For those of you who will not be paying for this site, go to Click on discussions, go to sports/recreational, go thru a page or 2 until you see the chiefs link. Sign up for free, and you will get all your up to date Chiefs news. This is the first time I have been to gretz site. Whoever paid got ripped. Nothing against you Bob, I will not pay for free news. You may get it an hour before me on occasion, I can live with that. Bob, if times are hard for you, maybe you should get a job that guarantees you a weekly check. I know you love the Chiefs more than anyone, but you got to do what you got to do.

  • July 10, 2010  - Craig says:

    I’m glad you are charging, $25 is cheap.
    Bob hang in there! You are the best source for Chiefs info and analysis. As a 31 year Season ticket holder I appreciate your efforts and miss you on pre-game radio.

  • July 10, 2010  - JB says:

    For All of you entitlement Asshats bitching about the premium site charge… Hey if your not living in your parent’s basement and driving a 20 year old Volvo, stealing broadband from your neighbor’s wireless router..being responsible has a price. Mr. Gretz is an experienced sports journalist. He loves the Chiefs and the NFL. It’s first class reporting. He is right a lot and wrong sometimes. But he makes a salient, articulate case when he is wrong.(ie Larry Johnson) He’s a pro and you don’t get that cred from perusing the sports media websites from the basement. 25 bucks is a weeks worth of Twinkies. Hey if you want free there is always Wilbon and Kornheiser on the Lebron channel and that is about the right price… shut up and pay up…Geez you people wear me out. PS Bob paid in full tonight!

  • July 11, 2010  - cychief24 says:

    Thanks for having PayPal as a way to pay the inexpensive $25.
    I agree, JB.

  • July 11, 2010  - Mad Chief says:

    Wow. I leave for a few days…and see what happens?

  • July 11, 2010  - G says:

    $25 isn’t much, but, frankly, neither is the stuff Bob puts on here. I come here every day, don’t get me wrong; I read every bit of Chiefs information I can find, even from people like Adam Teicher who writes maybe one article a year with something worthwhile. With that said, I won’t be paying the subscription, and I’ll gladly open up 10-15 minutes of my time each day that I won’t have to spend reading slightly informed opinion on the Chiefs. Seriously, guys, this isn’t even “Insider” news. Maybe I’m alone here, but I think if you all gave me $25 a year I could deliver a much more interesting Chiefs site.

    Good luck to you, Bob. I understand you’ve got to make a living, and apparently you can’t do that without charging a subscription fee for your website. In a way, I’m actually glad you’re forcing my hand; it has made my decision easy, and it’s not worth my time or $25 to continue coming here.

  • July 11, 2010  - Dan says:

    Need to ask favor…could you send me the website that is the coop for advertising…planning on starting a web site on different subject…would like to follow your plan for success!!

    Planning on subscribing..yes you are that good…but keep it fresh! I know you will!!

  • July 12, 2010  - macgyver says:

    Bob,best wishes with your site and charging is very understandable. We have made lots of decisions as a family involving spending and magazines and subscriptions like this are part of what we have decided not to spend money on. But if I was continuing, it would be worth every penny. I hope this is a successful venture for you,because in the offseason KCStar has very few articles worth reading, so this is definitely my source for information.
    By the way,my local newspaper yesterday rated the Chiefs as the worst team at this time. I know they have no clue and the Chiefs are on the rise,but that was a surprise for me.

  • July 12, 2010  - Dirk says:


    Go ahead and set up such a “much more interesting Chiefs site” and I’ll gladly sign up there as well.

  • July 12, 2010  - Dirk says:


    Go ahead and set up such a “much more interesting Chiefs site” and I’ll gladly sign up there as well.

  • July 12, 2010  - Anon says:

    So long Bob.

  • July 12, 2010  - Mad Chief says:

    Still “sittin’ the fence” on this.

    On one hand…I love this place, and the perspective you bring, Bob. I’ve been a fan of yours for a long time…and this website has brought out your best. Truly.

    On the other hand…I’ve never paid extra for a damn thing on the web. Also, I can’t help but feel a little “ripped off” for suddenly having to pay for something I’ve been getting (and SUPPORTING…I might add) since day numero uno. Not a “knock”…just being honest, as always.

    No matter what I ultimately decide…thank you, Bob. You have done some amazing work through the years. From the radio and sideline work to this place to getting DT into the Hall (yes, our man Bob actually made that happen…don’t anyone doubt it for a second)…I will always be a fan and have the utmost respect for Mr. Bob Gretz. Good luck…sincerely.

  • July 13, 2010  - gorillafan says:

    Mad Chief,

    you are on this site just about as often as many of us are. $25.00 isnt worth helping a man earn his living and supporting his family?? Think of the 25 dollars as a charity, or something…

    we are both here almost everyday, so 25.00 is worth it for me, add bobs great analysis and professionalism, hard work, effort, love of or chiefs, why not help support him in his CAREER. this is more than just some b.s. site. its not paying for a site that some young punk kid that is just trying to make and easy dollar, this 25.00 does more than that.

    So lets all help support the web site we all love and support THE man and trying to stay afloat and bring us our chiefs news everyday!!!!

  • July 13, 2010  - True Red & Gold says:

    I understand both sides to this deal. I don’t know how many guys will even pay. Not very many guys comment so is 250 subscribers a reasonable guess. If so that is about two months wage for most guys so I don’t really see how that helps much. That certainly does not afford Bob enough to greatly increase the content of this site. I am not opposed to this paid thing but I also agree that these type of blogs are free. Some guys are throwing a fit which is totally uncalled for, because this blog belongs to Bob and he can close it or charge for it if he want to.

  • July 13, 2010  - gorillafan says:

    True Red & Gold,

    now i do agree with that. i didnt see how this would help him, but in must or he wouldnt have done it.

    however it only takes 1,143 suscribers at 35.00 a subscription to make 40k a year, and thats without the advertising. so, i guess in that scenario it would work

  • July 13, 2010  - Mad Chief says:

    I see both sides as well.

    What I don’t see, is the vision of Bob and his family huddled around a candle in the dark sharing a can of cold beans…that some seem to be painting.

    My fear is that this place will become a “ghost town”. Not because people don’t enjoy the content…but because they don’t want to pay for it. Some have…and some more will, I’m sure. But those coming for the first time, or infrequent visitors will likely be turned off at the idea of a subscription. If there’s only a couple of dozen people sign up…then what fun will that be?

    Like I said before, I have a ton of respect for Bob…and have enjoyed his work for many years. I understand his decision, and need, to do this. I’m just not sure it’s going to turn out to be a good idea.

  • July 13, 2010  - dan in joplin says:

    True Red & Gold,

    i would say that 250 is low, there are prob alot of guys that have been viewing this site but not commenting (like myself) i plan on being more involved now especially in the way of posting and i hope other guys do as well. like i said earlier, it is well worth the money and i have been given alot over the last 2 years from bob and also from you guys thru your posts which i have really enjoyed, now i plan on giving more to help this site as much as possible.

  • July 14, 2010  - el cid says:

    Got to say doubt a “ghost town” will happen. There is always a market for the teams of the NFL. Will they pay, do not know or care. I will. I get a kick out of this site. Friends and guys at work only have so many opinions but here….. wackos everywhere, lots of fun. Just waiting for Aug to see how it all shakes out. It is a lots more enjoyable than the Chiefs official site, just filler about guys would never were and will not be on the roster. Dead time of the year.

  • July 14, 2010  - Anonymous says:

    agreed el cid, eventhough we usually disagree. ha

    the only time i go to is to watch press conferences and maybe watch what mitch reports from time to time. i visit arrowheadpride as well sometimes. dont know why i dont like it as much. i dont like the blog layout and i have never commented on that site. i like how they have many aricles a day but there is never the detail that you find here. so i will just pay my fee before the end of the month at the discounted rate and continue to enjoy the only site i viist everyday. eventhough sometimes i dont have much time to read the articles and comment, i still scan through the info and thats still worth the money to me.

    and an fyi, i, like many of you, have never paid for an internet susbscription before, and probably wont either, but i will every year for

  • July 14, 2010  - gorillafan says:

    sorry, on a different computer, last statement was mine….like anyone cares. ha

  • July 14, 2010  - Jason P says:

    Well thats sucks. I really liked your page but im not spending money to read in depth content. You should really go after sponsors not your readers

  • July 14, 2010  - JP says:

    I don’t understand what all the complaining is about? Either turn over your money and enjoy a great site or stop visiting. Whining about it won’t change a thing.

  • July 15, 2010  - Cap't Jack says:

    Jason P, I think the point here, was Bob went after sponsors for two years. And that wasn’t paying the bills. So, in order to keep the site running, he has simply asked those of us who use it…to help offset the cost.

    I guess he could stop going to practices and quit posting for a month or two while he seeks an advertiser who is willing to pay for what you use.

    Are you at least supporting the advertisers that are here. Or are you annoyed by the ads as well?

  • July 15, 2010  - Dave in Lawerence says:

    Wow…Wow!!! Wow!

    Just curious, do some of you get in a cab and expect an advertiser to cover the cost of the ride?

    Are you offending by a theater charging you for the price of a movie ticket?

    Paying taxes must…well…okay, I hate that one too!

  • July 15, 2010  - Mad Chief says:

    Well Dave, it depends. Are 99% of the other cabs offering their rides for free? Are there lots of other movies being shown for free…but one theater in particular charging a fee? I don’t see the logic of your comparisons.

    Cap’t Jack says:

    “So, in order to keep the site running, he has simply asked those of us who use it…to help offset the cost.”

    I think that’s the best one sentence I’ve seen so far on the whole deal.

    And yes, I can still easily see both sides of it.

  • July 15, 2010  - James says:

    Long time reader. First time poster. New member of the Premium coverage. Go Cheifs and Go Bob!

  • July 15, 2010  - xen says:

    I’ll pay $25 bucks to turn off the comments from you yokeheads.

    good lord, let the guy make a buck. TANSTAAFL.

  • July 15, 2010  - David Henderson says:

    Hell it costs this much to park at the Chiefs game one time! For the same money you will get the most concise, passionate, well researched news and info about the Chiefs that money can buy! I’m in, in fact I think I will wait till my birthday which is August 1, to sign up that way Bob gets a little extra! For those that didn’t pay attention, arrowhead Pride isn’t even going to be at training camp everyday, so how can you give a factual report of whats going on when your not even there? I enjoy AP also but a lot of it is just fluff..

  • July 15, 2010  - Jimbo says:

    Mad Chief,

    I have enjoyed your postings for over a year now. I am shocked that you are undecided as to whether you are with Bob’s premium status or not. You are vocal, you are a true Chiefs fan. What Gives?

    I find it cowardly of you to be above the rest of us & just sit on the sidelines waiting for someone to point you the way. Be a man, Be a Chief, Be a something…
    Put your money where your mouth is, sign on to premium status or just go away. I’m sure AP with their regurgitated (someone else’s news) will be thrilled with your continued support.

    You are not a know it all, full of wisdom, etc. I want to contunue reading your thoughts & insights. Your a good man. Certainly a family man. Allegiance to is a good thing.

    Happy Trails.
    Go Chiefs.

  • July 15, 2010  - Mad Chief says:


    Thanks. I think?

    I don’t feel it’s “cowardly” not to pay for a so-called premium service…which said “premium service” is basically the same thing as we’ve been getting all along, the way I understand it. Nor do I think it makes me less of a “man”…as you say. Or less a fan of the Chiefs. And I have never, EVER felt “above” anyone at all. I apologize if I’ve given that impression.

    As for the “sign on to premium status or just go away”? I guess that’s the choice I have to make, huh? My hand is being forced. And I have to say…it kinda’ pisses me off. If there was a “donation” type thing? I’d probably kick in a $100 bill and not even blink. Something about the “do it or else” is rubbing me wrong.

    Listen…as I’ve stated many times, I’m a big fan of Bob’s work. For pretty much as long as I’ve been following this team. And I’ve been coming here to his site since day one. It’s his best work here. Easily. I appreciate all that he’s done. I just can’t help but feel a bit betrayed by this whole thing. I’ve been supporting this place all along. I’ve told every Chiefs fan I know about this place. I’ve also spoken highly of, and recommended at other places…for hundreds to see. I comment here daily, with few exceptions…even at times when not many other comments are being made. So, right or wrong…I feel like a few of us “regulars” have earned the right to be here, and shouldn’t be forced to pay for it. I don’t expect anyone to necessarily agree with me…or care about what I think, for that matter. That’s just how I see it.

    Bottom line? I’ll miss it…but, I can live without it.

  • July 16, 2010  - Justin says:

    Mad Chief, get over it. It is called change -things change. You say you have sent people to the site and that is great. Did they click on the ads to make sure Bob got something out of the deal or did they just hog bandwidth and not contribute? $25 is not a lot and consider it donations in arrears when he was giving this for free and did not solicit donations. You find a million reasons not to but do the right thing for a guy that went out of his way for 2 years and decided he just couldn’t continue without change.

  • July 16, 2010  - Jimbo says:

    Mad Chief,

    I apologize for my above posting. I was angry about another matter last night & took it out on you. Sorry… I was going to do this earlier today before you got to it.

    As for your response it seems a matter of principal to you for Bob’s premium service. I can respect that. Me, being a die hard fan, principal or not I’m all in. We knew this was going to happen, just did’nt know when.

    I know come training camp that I could not resist Bob’s take on whats going on with My Chiefs. It will be interesting to see if you can stick to your principals or fall under Bob’s irresistable insight & premium content.

    Needless to say. I & many other regulars that post or not post much, will miss you. Hopefully you will reconsider your decision & continue hanging out with your colleagues that are hopelessly “cast under the spell of the Red & Gold”.

    P.S. remember it is only $25 worth of principal.
    Go Chiefs.

  • July 16, 2010  - Steve says:

    I finally have a reason to respond, question as it were. On the premium site do we use lame monikers, or our real name?

  • July 16, 2010  - RickW says:

    Bob I can tell you right now if you allow a boob like rin tin to run rampid on your site I will not follow.

  • July 16, 2010  - Anonymous says:

    Rin Tin Tin is back. Easy decision now. Sorry Bob.

  • July 17, 2010  - colby says:

    Glad I haven’t signed up yet. I have several family members and friends that have birthdays in early July so I usually spend my free money on gifts. I was waiting until the end of the month to sign up as a result but now I will not be doing so.

    To all those who have signed up, have fun getting harassed by you know who. It wasn’t fun when it was free.

    Bob, all I can do is laugh. That pooch is going to cost you PLENTY of money in lost subscribers! It’s what you get for not dealing with problems like a man. I’ll keep my money Bob. You don’t deserve it as of today.

  • July 17, 2010  - Dinny says:

    As others have mentioned, I am paying for information received the past two years as well as the coming season.

    I feel like 25 bucks is a great deal.

    Thanks Bob, keep up the great work.


  • July 18, 2010  - el cid says:

    Well, already posted my money and I will stay for a year. But if herm’s the man, rintintin, or whoever is back, I will reverse my last post. This could be a ghost town. I decline to play his games. It is up to Bob to decide. I can only hope the post was someone’s attempt at humor. It just is not funny.

  • July 18, 2010  - True Red & Gold says:

    See ya Colby,

    You probably won’t be missed!

  • July 18, 2010  - colby says:

    True Lame & Ignorant

    I will care what you think when you contribute something intelligent and insightful in a conversation at some point EVER. 0 for about 12,000 posts buddy. You may eventually get it.

  • July 19, 2010  - Jimbo says:

    Some of you guys are running scared or looking for an excuse in avoiding Bob’s premium services.
    The Tin Dog has rattled a few cages & I am confident that “dog days” are behind us.

    Tin Dog entertained & then quickly aggravated alot of people, myself included. He created one heck of a stir, clogging the comment section with his rants & ensuing responses.

    I’m certain Bob & his support team will take control of any & all inflammatory comments at their discretion.
    Go Chiefs.

  • July 19, 2010  - dan in joplin says:

    Jimbo, i agree with you. I can’t imagine Bob letting something like that happening all over again! I have just started to post comments here,so i dont’ know exactly how it all works, but i have noticed that when i post it shows up immediately, so i guess if it’s something they don’t want posted the support team deletes or edits it later???? If that’s the case, there will be instances where people can be idiots at least for a short time.

  • July 19, 2010  - Mark says:

    Unless Bob specifically addresses the potential disruption, I doubt he’ll get many/any new subscribers from here going forward.

  • July 19, 2010  - SGL says:

    You guys are such freakin’ idiots if you believe Bob is not totally on top of what it is to run a premium site. Here is the deal: BUY IT OR NOT. Hopefully we get rid of some A__holes. Do not believe for a minute that Bob is not doing this with eyes wide open and with good IT help.

  • July 19, 2010  - Anonymous says:


    Bob wasn’t “totally on top of it” when this D-bag was ruining this place for months on end before. So, I don’t think it’s completely unreasonable for some to ask the man himself to address the issue before they throw down their money.

    Thanks for calling those of us with concerns “freakin’ idiots”, though. That goes a long way towards making a point.

    As for the “BUY IT OR NOT”? I choose not. Until we can get some sort of guarantee that one jerk-off isn’t going to turn this place into a circus, like he did before.

  • July 20, 2010  - SG says:

    Doubt I’ll get to be a part of the premium content as the $25 matters currently. But anyone who has sense knows the $25 is well worth it. If you’re a casual fan who thinks the Sporting News, the USA Today, or some other service reports the Chiefs insider stuff with any quality, feel free to pay for their services instead. This site is the best Chiefs site there is — hands down.

    SG (Not to be confused with SGL)

  • July 20, 2010  - MarkInTexas says:

    I’m happily a new subscriber. Figure it’s the equivalent of buying Bob a few beers at Arrowhead each season for his superior coverage. Bob, I’m sure your business decision was conflicted, but I am glad you offerred this option versus throwing in the towel.

  • July 20, 2010  - MarkInTexas says:

    PS…love the new mobile/smartphone version of your site.

  • July 20, 2010  - gorillafan says:

    i just signed on myself!!

  • July 20, 2010  - KC_Guy says:

    Looking forward to August 1 when all those rants about how expensive this site with oh so brilliant content guys nevertheless don’t want to pay for will just go away.

    May be we can focus on football again then.

  • July 20, 2010  - el cid says:

    Since some still feel the need to comment…..Anyone know about the St Joseph area and who, what when or where for the Chief’s camp?

  • July 20, 2010  - Mad Chief says:

    el cid, actually has some good info on Camp. Just go to the home page, and drop down the box under “schedule”. There’s a traing camp schedule with dates and times, a map, FAQ’s, and even a link to St. Joe area info.

  • July 20, 2010  - RickW says:

    Bob, make sure rin isn’t here and I will buy. Otherwise I will have to get info elsewhere. Give your readers some confirmation right now that you will police this site and not allow that kind of posting again.

  • July 21, 2010  - vincent belt says:

    You have given all Chiefs readers an excess of insight on the Chiefs. I will subscribe before August 1 and feel as if I have it as a bargain.

  • July 27, 2010  - Mad Chief says:

    So long, Bob. Good luck…sincerely. I thank you for all of your work over the years. I have enjoyed it…and I will miss it.

  • July 27, 2010  - Jonathan says:

    I have never commented on here before Bob but I read your site everyday and I don’t know what I would do without your indepth analysis especially regarding practices during training camp. I felt like this would be a good contribution hopefully enough to keep you going so that eventually one day you won’t have to charge. But with payment comes high expectations so don’t let me down Bob!

  • July 28, 2010  - Dean in Columbia says:

    I took my family to the movies this weekend. $45 for tickets and $25 for a small popcorn and four drinks.

    Compared to that, $25 for the season seems quite affordable. Especially if you make the site 3D.

    Bob, Keep up the good work. Maybe I will see you when i visit training camp.

  • July 28, 2010  - Petey says:

    Well, I bit the bullet and will give a shot at least once.

    No matter what, thanks for all the free content you’ve provided over the last two years, Bob.

  • July 28, 2010  - Matrix1 says:

    For those of you curious whether spoofing will continue. The answer is no! It cannot. Once a site has instituted the security for premium content, logging in is a requirement to access the features of the site.

    Since Bob banished Rin once, I’m assuming he will not take his $25. And no one else will be able to post under our user names!

    So…in case you wondering…it will be policed by shear matter of this change. Honestly, I’m not sure how he was able to Ban Rin and remain an open door site. But regardless, that all ends August 1st.

  • July 29, 2010  - Gump says:

    I,m still waiting for more planes to be ordered so I’ll have to pass. Thanks for the last few years Bob. Good luck with your site.

  • July 30, 2010  - Jim says:

    Hey Bob,
    I’m in! Scraped together my $25 and happy to be a part of Premium Access. Had to dive in a few extra dumpsters for returnables, but we got it. Just kidding. I’m still looking for full-time work, but this is worth the money at twice the price. Having been here at your website from Day 1, I have been fully supportive of paid access or donations. My money is where my mouth is.

    Go CHIEFS!
    Big Jim in Wisconsin (near Milwaukee)

  • July 30, 2010  - Darren says:

    Jim, couldn’t have said that Amy better than you. I have mine paid too!

  • July 30, 2010  - Darren says:

    any… not Amy. Curresed iPhone!

    Btw bob – I too, love the new iPhone theme. It is truly great way to read your site.

  • July 30, 2010  - Mike in joco says:

    Darren… Don’t give up … You can do it

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