Wednesday Morning Cup O’Chiefs
So what about Herm?
Early Wednesday evening the Chiefs will introduce new GM Scott Pioli during a press conference at the team’s facilities. Pioli’s hiring was officially announced Tuesday evening by the club, as he steps into the football role held for the previous 20 years by Carl Peterson.
One of the first questions that will be fired at Clark Hunt and Pioli will be the status of head coach Herm Edwards. Throughout Tuesday evening, that was the new No. 1 question floating through the NFL grapevine now that Pioli is on board.
Assumptions have been made by national media types that the hiring of Pioli means that Edwards is out and a new head coach will be coming to Arrowhead. Some have speculated that New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo is now the No. 1 candidate to join Pioli. Others believe the new head coach could be Pioli’s good friend, University of Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz.
No GM should have a head coach handcuffed to him, and it’s doubtful that Hunt will do that Pioli. But there’s also little doubt that Edwards was part of the discussions with Pioli leading up to an agreement between the two parties. Remember, when Hunt announced the resignation of Peterson, he said he would decide on Edwards’ future, with input from his new GM.
Hunt has said he supports Edwards and the job he undertook in trying to rebuild the team. The Chiefs also made it clear in their annoucement Tuesday evening that Pioli “will have final say over all football operations … “ Obviously, the head coach is part of football operations.
Edwards deserves a chance to keep his job. Many of his decisions in the last year were based on the support he was receiving from Hunt. It’s safe to say that if the head coach had known he was going to be on shaky ground in the rebuilding process, he would have approached things in a different manner. Every move that Edwards made came with the belief that Hunt was in his corner.
And here’s a tidbit that a lot of people don’t know. One of the people in the league that pumped up Edwards during the long ‘08 season was New England head coach Bill Belichick. He encouraged Edwards in a pre-game meeting before the season opener between the teams. When the holiday season rolled around, Edwards received a Christmas card from Belichick, who expressed support for the manner in which he was rebuilding the Chiefs with a hand written inscription.
Remember, this was from Bill Belichick, who is not one of pro football’s happy-go-lucky, chatty, back slapping guys. That he twice took the time to encourage Edwards, who has no connection to him, is revealing. It’s a good bet that at some point in time, he and Pioli had discussions on what was happening in Kansas City.
And this might be stretching the point, but remember this as well: when he was coaching the New York Jets, Edwards knew the Patriots were filming the Jets sideline during the game. In fact, at one point Edwards waved at the cameraman. But unlike the coach who replaced him with the Jets, former Belichick protégé Eric Mangini, Edwards did not turn the Patriots in to league security.
Life is not always fair and no place is that more true than professional sports. It seems a long shot that Pioli will give Edwards the chance to finish the job. That will be unfair, because after suffering the pain of the ‘08 season, Edwards should get the opportunity to enjoy possible success in the coming season.
No matter what the decision, it figures to come quickly. If a change is going to be made, then Pioli needs to interview and lineup potential replacements. Next week is the Senior Bowl, what amounts to an annual NFL job fair. If a change is made, the Chiefs will be looking to fill a coaching staff. Should Edwards survive, expect changes in his coaching staff and he’ll need to find some new bodies.
This needs to be settled before everybody heads to Mobile.
It sounds like one Chiefs assistant coach may already be gone. Secondary coach David Gibbs has been in Houston talking with the Texans about moving there. His father, former Chiefs assistant coach Alex Gibbs is now coaching on Gary Kubiak’s staff.
What a lot of people don’t know is that when Gibbs joined the Chiefs in 2006 – leaving Auburn where he was defensive coordinator – he was offered the coordinator’s job by Kubiak. He could have gone to the Texans then, but Gibbs decided to honor his commitment to Edwards and Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham.
Here are updates on what’s going on around the rest of the league with coaches and general managers:
BEARS - Hired Jon Hoke to coach their secondary coach. He was fired last week by Houston, where he had the same position.
BROWNS – Expect to meet this week for a second time with Baltimore’s director of pro personnel George Kokinis about the team’s GM position. New head coach Eric Mangini has hired Patriots special teams coach Brad Seely to handle the same duties for the Browns.
CHARGERS - Fired four coaches on Norv Turner’s staff, including former Chiefs CB Kevin Ross, who was the team’s assistant secondary/quality control coach. Also released was secondary coach Bill Bradley, offensive line coach Jack Henry and tight ends coach Clancy Barone.
49ERS - Hired Vantz Singletary as their linebackers coach. He’s the nephew of head coach Mike Singletary and has coached in the college ranks for more than 15 years.
LIONS - Interviewed Dolphins secondary coach Todd Bowles for the second time on Tuesday.
PACKERS – Are still trying to find a defensive coordinator and they interviewed Jim Haslett this week. Green Bay head coach Mike McCarthy worked on Haslett’s staff in New Orleans.
RAIDERS – Fired wide receivers coach James Lofton and promoted quality control assistant Sanjay Lal to wide receivers coach. Of course, they do not yet have a head coach, but that’s how the Raiders work. Al Davis has also hired former CB Lionel Washington, apparently to coach the secondary. Oakland also received permission to interview Denver quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates, who is likely out of a job with new head coach Josh McDaniels taking over the Broncos. On Thursday, Davis will meet with Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride. The pair had a phone conversation about 10 days ago, but this meeting will be face-to-face.
RAMS – Have five finalists for their job and they will speak with most of them again late this week in Los Angeles. They are: Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier, Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett, Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan, Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and Haslett.
TEXANS - Promoted senior defensive assistant Frank Bush to defensive coordinator.
PRO BOWL ROSTER ADJUSTMENTS GIVE WIEGMANN TRIP TO HAWAII
The NFL announced six roster alternates to the 2009 Pro Bowl teams on Tuesday as a number of players have withdrawn due to injuries. Seahawks LB Julian Peterson, Cowboys OT Flozell Adams, Saints OT Jammal Brown and CB Ronde Barber and G Davin Joseph of the Buccaneers have been added to the NFC squad. Broncos C Casey Wiegmann was added to the AFC roster.
Barber replaces Green Bay cornerback Charles Woodson while Joseph will take the place of Dallas guard Leonard Davis Peterson replaces their Bucs teammate Derrick Brooks, while Adams and Brown take the places of Washington’s Chris Samuels and Walter Jones of the Seahawks. Wiegmann takes the roster spot of Titans center Kevin Mawae, who faces surgery on a torn triceps tendon in his right arm.
UNDERCLASSMEN AND NFL DRAFT/DEADLINE IS THURSDAY
As the clock ticks down to the final hours for underclassmen to declare themselves for the 2009 NFL Draft, more and more are making the decision to go pro.
As expected on Tuesday, Texas Tech WR Michael Crabtree announced he’s leaving Lubbock with two years of eligibility remaining on his ticket.
Also on Tuesday, Ball State quarterback Nate Davis announced he was coming out a year early. Davis led Ball State to an undefeated regular season, throwing 26 TD passes to eight INTs.
Boise State WR Jeremy Childs is also coming out early. He caught 72 passes for 802 yards and seven TDs last year.
Ole Miss defensive tackle Greg Hardy is expected to announce on Wednesday that he’s heading for the draft as well.
Southern Cal safety Taylor Mays has decided he will go back to the Trojans for his final season.
Everyone is still waiting for a final decision from Pitt RB LeSean McCoy, who said he was going to announce his intentions on Tuesday but instead he called Panthers coach Dave Wannstedt and told him that he wasn’t ready to make a final decision. He said he needed more time to weigh the pros and cons of staying and leaving before he’d be ready to announce his choice.
It’s the second time in four days that McCoy has delayed his decision
FROM THE PAGES OF SUPER BOWL HISTORY
On January 14, 1968, the Green Bay Packers beat the Oakland Raiders 33-14 in Super Bowl II at the Orange Bowl in Miami in front of 75,546 fans. The Packers were the defending champion but they were a much different team than the one that captured the first AFL-NFL championship. Gone were running backs Paul Hornung and Jim Taylor. Their replacements were Elijah Pitts and Jim Grabowski, but they were both injured during the season, forcing Vince Lombardi to rely on veteran Donny Anderson and rookie Travis Williams. 
In Miami, the Packers rolled out to a 13-0 lead thanks to a pair of Don Chandler FGs and a 62-yard TD pass from QB Bart Starr to WR Boyd Dowler. The Raiders answered finally with a TD pass of 23 yards from QB Daryle Lamonica to WR Bill Miller, who came into the league in 1962 as a second-round draft choice of the Dallas Texans.
Before the half ended, Chandler connected on another field goal and at intermission, the Packers held a 16-7 lead. Lombardi’s team add 10 more points in the third quarter, as Donny Anderson scored on a two-yard run and Chandler had his fourth FG. Even the Green Bay defense got on the scoreboard as CB Herb Adderley returned an interception 60 yards for a touchdown. Lamonica and Miller hooked up for another 23-yard TD pass to finish out the scoring. It was the last game of Lombardi’s career in Green Bay, where he won five NFL championships and the first two Super Bowls.
SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO …
Former Chiefs great tight end Fred Arbanas, who was born on January 15, 1939 in Detroit. Arbanas was a seventh-round choice of the Dallas Texans in 1961 out of Michigan State. He ended up playing 10 seasons and 118 games for the Texans-Chiefs. Arbanas caught 198 passes for 3,101 yards and 34 touchdown catches. His best season was 1964, when he caught 34 balls for 686 yards and eight TDs. He was named to five AFL All-Star teams and was on the All-Time AFL team selected by the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Arbanas was inducted into the Chiefs Hall of Fame in 1973.
Born on January 14, 1967 in Hartford, CT was LB Terry Wooden who played in 15 games and started eight times for the 1997 Chiefs. He had two sacks and one fumble recovery.
Born on January 14, 1975 in Richmond, VA was LB Shawn Barber, who played 10 NFL seasons, with three of those coming with the Chiefs (2003-05.) He played in 27 games, with 24 starts and finished with six sacks and two interceptions.
I agree Herm is a good, decent man who is a tireless worker and good example for players and the league. I just do not believe he is the right man for the job ahead. I was, like many others, enthusiastic when he was hired. I’m not a Herm hater as many fans have depicted those of us who are loyal fans of the Chiefs and football who lost faith in him over his tenure in KC. I think we just feel after watching him coach during that time that it’s time for a change and a fresh start. He did start the rebuilding process but even Clark Hunt said he expected improvement this past year and week after week the team (and coach) found new ways to lose games. He has been supported and compensated well during his tenure. If Herm is retained I will continue to root for him and my team and wish for the best. It just seems to make too much sense for Pioli and the club to have a new beginning with an organization and staff of his own making.
Well said John.
“You play to win the game”. Herm’s own famous words.
And the bottom line is…he didn’t. I don’t hate the guy…I actually like him. Just not as a Head Coach. Our Head Coach, anyway.
My guess is that he and the rest of the coaching staff will be cleaning out their offices by the end of the week. Maybe even today.
Johnfromfairfax
Thank you that is very nicely put. Herm is very similar to Tony Dungy, a great guy, and a great coach and teacher. It is too bad that this season played out as it did. It would have been good for Herm to have the chance to finish what he began. The bottom line is that there were no visible results in the Win column. That is where it is measured. I am sure Herm will land on his feet in a different situation and do well. And I am sure that Mr. P. will make the choices that are best for the Chiefs, that is how he will be measured. I would not be suprised that the Chiefs win the AFC West in 2009…. anybody?… anybody?
“Edwards deserves a chance to keep his job.” Really, Bob? Still holding on to that last little piece of the King Carl legacy that pulled you from the mediocrity of being a beat reporter to the sweet gig you have now?
Unfortunately, you’re wrong. Herm does NOT deserve a chance to keep his job. Poor planning leads to poor performance and six wins in the past two seasons will attest to that. With that being said, I can’t fault the man for his draft classes. I think for the most part they’ve been sound…the exceptions being “Brittle Brodie” and the “Bone Crusher” Pollard, who should spend the entire off-season learning how to properly tackle. Attempting shoulder-charges at much faster, much stronger RB’s has culmulated in him sitting on his butt more than it’s lead to good, solid tackles.
Where I do fault Edwards, is his ability to aquire and retain quality free agents. Napoleon Harris? Worthless. Donnie Edwards? Been hurt more games than he’s played. Ty Law? Riiiiight. Wasn’t Eddie Drummond supposed to seemlessly step into Dante Hall’s place? That didn’t happen. Pat Thomas should be a special teamer, not your defensive captain and Damien Sackintosh has done nothing but complain (he certainly hasn’t blocked consistently) since he was moved to the other side of the line. It was also a “great” idea to let Kawika Mitchell go. How about Lawrence Tynes and John Carney? One kicked for the defending Super Bowl Champs last year, even winning the NFC championship game for them while the other stepped in and replaced him when he was injured and never gave the job back…but you know, one was “too inconsistant” and the other was “too old to be an effective kicker”. Great moves there. I’m sure we’ll all throw King Carl under the bus for those though…heck, why not even throw Vermeil under the bus for the upteen-millionth time…Herm probably had nothing to do with any of those moves, right?
“It’s safe to say that if the head coach had known he was going to be on shaky ground in the rebuilding process, he would have approached things in a different manner.” Why is that, Bob? If Herm TRUELY believed in his rebuilding project, why would he have gone about doing ANYTHING differently? If there was a way to achieve the same purported end-result that would have been less painful to watch (and spend my hard-earned season ticket money on), why wasn’t it done to begin with?
The bottom line is, Herm has not gotten the job done. Heck, the man has even said it himself, “I let my work speak for itself.” 15-34 in three years of coaching (we honestly shouldn’t count the first season because we all know that was still Vermeil’s team-the fact that they had a winning record proves that)speaks volumes. No number of Tuesday “sermons” or gimmick offensive schemes can hide those facts. Herm is NOT the man, and anyone who thinks he is should get his head examined by a licensed shrink.
Josh, are you for real? You bring up Ty Law and want to hang that on Herm. I know he was not influenced by it but you fan where begging for Ty Law (almost as bad as you all have been for Pioli) and was ready to have Herm fired if he did not bring Ty Law in. And now since you was all wrong about Ty being the savior that was going to take us to the super bowl, don’t be hanging all that on Herm.
P.S. I just hope Pioli does not turn in to a Ty Law
Dan,
First off, I never wanted Ty Law. Herm Edwards did. He went on record saying that he did. He had numerous phone conversations with him, went and practiced with him in St. Louis and basically wouldn’t take no for an answer. I’m not going to say that I was completely against it when they picked him up, but I never thought he was worth the money he received and I didn’t understand courting him the way the Chiefs did when there were other, more glaring holes in that defense that should have been filled first (and still haven’t been). Ty Law was too old to be worth what he was paid.
Secondly, I have never petitioned for Pioli. I’m glad he’s here, and I think if he’s given the right tools, he can do great things, but I’ve never said “Clark has to hire Pioli or I’ll never go to another Chiefs game again.” There are other guys out there who I think can do a good job at GM…better so than King Carl has done in the past ten years, and I would have been happy with any of them. So please, don’t lump me in with a “you fans” group, especially if you don’t really know where I stand.
To quote John McEnroe, ” you cannot be serious”. Herm is…should and will be gone.
Chiefs | Edwards has chance of staying with team
Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:15:16 -0800
Michael Smith, of ESPN.com, reports Kansas City Chiefs head coach Herman Edwards has not been ruled out of returning to the team next season because new general manager Scott Pioli is entering the job with an open mind, according to a source.
A decision on Edwards’ future is expected to be made by the end of the week. According to sources, owner Clark Hunt prefers that Edwards remains coach, but he has said the general manager will decide on the coach.
Sooooooooooo, you know the drill freinds of Rin:
Time check: 1:36 p.m. CST, Wednesday, January 14, 2009…and yup, Herm’s STILL The Man!
(PS) I can hear those backsides of the Herm Haters puckering as we speak!
heh heh heh
So that ‘if’ Herm decides to leave – his call and not Piolis – Herm will stay – or go – as HE deems fit.
heh heh heh
Herm may have his good points, but he sold the owner a “bill of goods”. Edwards persuaded Clark Hunt, that stripping his franchise down to nothing, in order to re-build, would make the franchise stronger. By any objective measure, that philosophy has proven way wrong.
Clark Hunt was led to believe by Herm Edwards the team would be competing for a playoff spot this past year. Herm failed. That is reason enough to bid Edwards farewell.
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli now have a chance to bring in a Head Coach who knows how to build a winner. They need to do it.
Herm stays!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
“GET OVER IT!” roflmao
After 8 seasons in the NFL as a head coach, and not even a 40% win record? I like Herm the man, but maybe he doesn’t need to be a head coach anymore.
Wonder if Herm will be able to convince Pioli to “get use to” 2 wins per season?
Herm can inform Pioli this means the team is “85%” there.
If Pioli objects, hopefully, Herm will have the fortitude to tell him “Get over it!”
This goes out to Rin Tin Tin-so Clark told you Herm was the man? Are you planning on re-tracting your statment “THAT HERM IS THE MAN”?
“Pioli -He will have complete charge of football operations,” Ryan Petkoff, a spokesman for Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt, told The Associated Press. “He will report only to Clark.”
In addition, the Chiefs are about $32 million under the salary cap, extra money that will come in handy because KC owns the overall No. 3 pick in the draft. Besides that, there are a number of promising young players who Edwards was counting on as the foundation of his rebuilding project.
“We are very excited to welcome Scott to the Chiefs,” Hunt said in a statement. “With his proven track record of success, Scott is the finest player personnel executive in the NFL, and we look forward to his leadership in building a championship organization.”
Yet, when he announced the resignation on Dec. 15 of president, CEO and general manager Peterson, Hunt said he thought Edwards was the best man for the Chiefs program going forward. But he also said the new general manager would have “significant input” into the final decision.
The Chiefs ended 2007 on a nine-game losing streak. Then Hunt agreed it was time to tear it down and rebuild.
Now Pioli takes charge of those efforts.
I hope Clark is just being PC and actually does realize the difference between:
(a) ability to make a team younger (not necessarily better) and start youngsters regardless if they’ve earned it
and
(b) Actual head coaching ability.
If he can’t even make that simple distinction, I hope he stays as far away from football operation as possible or one of the other Hunt’s starts a coup.
Josh, you are an imature blathering fool. A total moron, a low life scab of a person. How do you like being belittled. You have no trouble doing that to Herm, and others.
I have been a season ticket holder for 21 years. Arrowhead use to be the best place to go to watch a game. If youseason ticket hodlers remember before the game the cheerleaders would hold up on one side of the field the words GO and the other side would chant CHIEFS. The stadium rocked before the game even started.We had two to four prime time games a year. It was a fun experience. Even Vermeil teams would compete and keep games close winning alot more home games than not. Enter Edwards and everything that was fun in the previous 18 years starts going downhill. The stadium holds no magic anymore. No touchdown corner. No baby what a play from kevin harlands mouth. The atmosphere at a game sucks now. What use to be the toughest and loudest stadium in the NFL is now a embarassment to the NFL. We have a new general manager we now need a new coach to revive what is left of the season ticket holder fan base. I live 4 1/2 hours west of arrowhead and use to make the trip faithfully every home game. Last year 1 GAME. The game against Oakland was so bad and the atmosphere was so bad already I didn’t waste my gas or money to watch another game at Arrowhead. I will not pay or watch another game at arrowhead with herm as coach. I have seen enough to think that herm is not the man and will never be the man for KC.
LeoICT…you sir, are golden! Josh on the other, and several other are…well, ‘challenged’ shall we say.
Conversation between Herm & Scottie will revolve around will he be willing to make changes to his coaching staff, yes or no, philosophy, etc. etc.
Herm will either say yes or no…and as such Herm Edwards will decide whether he stays or goes, not Pioli.
Herm decides, Rin reports…you all deal with it.
heh heh heh
The only person beside Herm who ‘could’ decide otherwise would be a Clark Hunt – and Clark is already on record as saying he wants Herm back.
Herm stays or Herm goes, HE stays true to Himself and does it His way. I respect that/Herm so much. (cue Frankie Albert Sinatra: “Herm did it HISSSS
WAAAAAAAAAAAAY!”
Either way, Rin wins!
heh heh heh
Rick – You speak for thousands.
If Pioli and Clark Hunt decide to keep Herm, they both should be sentenced to watch the home game v. San Diego immediately before the presser.
Leo, if I worried about what everyone thought of me, I’d be on here every five minutes posting “Herm’s the man!” like Rin.
I think that Pioli has a different approach when it comes to the direction of the Chiefs . I think that he likes the fact that K.C. has some young talent and Herm did had a great draft class in 08 but what really doomed Herm was the fact he gutted way too much . No free agents last year and picking up second team players in DeMarrio Williams and Devard Darling and then agreeing with Gunther and Carl in bringing back an old injury prone Donnie Edwards If only he had brought in some veteran leadership not a lot of veterans but a few in key positions . But he did not and let the record show 2-14 and then put all his emphasis on Brodie Croyle a wasted third round draft choice and not trying for the coin toss last year for a higher rank in the draft .Bad play on defense and special teams and then put in a quarterback that cannot run a pro style offense in Thigpen that your offensive coordinator had to change into college spread that he ran in college . Yes one positive in drafting and too many negatives during the season. I think 7-9 or 8-8 or even 6-10 would have saved him .But to me Herm is doomed. Nuff said!!!!!!!!!
LeoICT
Josh also can’t afford a watch…
Hey – now Chris Mortensen too is reporting Herm could stay! As Josh McDaniels is gone and Kirk Ferentz wants to stay at Iowa, Scott Pioli’s favored ‘overhypes’ are already gone.
Yup.
Opening game 2009: Chiefs PA Announcer –
“Now, the Head Coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, Herrrrrm Eddddddddwards!.”
heh heh heh
Herm has brainwashed so many people into believing that losing is acceptable. 4 – 12…2 – 14? Good thing we’ve had such a great coaching staff or we’d REALLY suck, huh?
So if we win four games next year…that will be an improvement. Herm can keep up the “we’re on the right track / we’re improving” mantra.
Hopefully Pioli (and whatever his decisions are) can take KC from being a joke, back to respectability. Soon.
Interesting that many Herm supporters have always lamented that his first two year here were wasted because he didn’t get to rebuild right away and he had to deal with what Carl was giving him. Not an unfair assessment at all.
The rub is that now those same folks think Pioli should be handcuffed the same way???? Interesting perspective.
Personally, I don’t think Herm is a good head coach. Great person, teacher, mentor and position coach, but not a game day coach. Losses aside, I just haven’t seen steady improvement in the team over the season. Same problems over and over. However, if Pioli retains him for his final year, it wouldn’t be the end of the world. We most likely won’t be very competitive next year anyway. I’m not sure where some of you get the “2009 division champ” thing. Based on what exactly? Our 2 wins?
Whether Herm stays or goes is inconsequential compared to the need for an entirely new coaching staff, most notably Gunther Cunningham. I’ve been amazed by the lack of patience by Chiefs fans this season after we all KNEW it was going to be tough. If Scott Pioli thinks Herm has done a good job with his task at hand, who am I to argue with him?
We need to take a breath and step back. Last week there were literally hundreds of posts all over Chiefs message boards about how Pioli was a selfish, self righteous jerk because he was ’stringing us all along for his ego’s sake’. Now that he’s been named the GM, shouldn’t we at least respect his first major decision and support it? We asked for this guy, let’s listen to what he has to say.
If he decides to keep Herm and Chan I have no problem with it. Let Herm work out the last year of his contract, and let’s see what he can do with his young team (which will add 35 million dollars in free agents this off-season). I am optimistic.
BinSC
What was fair for Herm is fair for Scottie…heh heh heh
Exactly Eli, and if Herm fails in 2009 he goes… Rin will help him out the door. Maybe tho, just maybe Herm has needed a true ‘pro’ to help him… enter Pioli, aft exit Carl.
And ‘if’ Herm succeeds as such well then, a new contract extension (probably 3-5 years) will be HE’s reward!
>>”Whether Herm stays or goes is inconsequential…”<>”Pioli was a selfish, self righteous jerk”<<
Yeah, but now he’s our selfish, self righteous jerk.
“Whether Herm stays or goes is inconsequential”
Herm staying or going is very consequential. The Chiefs fan base is not going to stand for another 2-4 win season where Herm can’t get the team prepared (Atlanta, Carolina, Tennesee, Cincinnatti games) or close the deal (Tampa Bay, New York). It’s time to start fresh. I’m optimistic that Pioli and a new Coach are going to get us competing in 2009. Not Herm’s 2010 goal.
Yup, like the Chiefs fan base can do anything but exercise their tear ducts…only took 20 years to see Carl leave – and by his own hand/resignation.
heh heh heh
Steadman ruled from 1975 to 1989…Carl from 1989 to 2009. Better hope that you like Pioli, because whether Lamar or the apple that didn’t fall far from the tree Clark be presiding, KC Chiefs GMs serve 17 years on average & their football teams follow suit by being ‘average’ or below. So you will come to love or loathe Scottie, just as all came to do one or the other regards Carl.
Yup, there’s a whole lot to look forward too, obviously. Rin is stoked…
“Yup, like the Chiefs fan base can do anything but exercise their tear ducts”
Who does the Rin think buys tickets, jerseys, etc and thus creates revenue for the Chiefs? We speak with our entertainment dollars, our tax dollars and our words. Not the sharpest tool in the shed there Rin.
Herm Edwards was right his record speaks for itself 15-33 as Chiefs head coach. Herm is gone. Gretz please disappear along with your good buddy Rufus Dawes.
What difference does aPauled think any of ‘that’ makes? How many GMs have you/the KC faithful run off? Not even 1 in the last 20 years – guess the Chiefs aren’t listening, huh, even to the ticket buying ‘real’ fans out there.
heh heh heh
Herm stays or goes – his call, no one elses (sorry Scottie/Chiefs fans.)
heh heh heh
Rick, you speak for the vast majority of Chief fans, and I suspect season ticket holders. Hopefully Scott Pioli and Clark hear your message loud and clear, and we can have a true celebration of a totally new regime very soon.
In case you haven’t picked up on it yet, Rin just likes to antagonize people. I’d be willing to bet he doesn’t have a strong feeling either way for Herm, but just chooses the side that is best to antagonize people from.
Do any of you know somewhere to watch the press conference online live?
I’ve advocated since early in the season for the chiefs to, “clean house, Firem them all!”
It seems that is coming to fruition, and it is time to see new faces in the media employed at kcchiefs.com also.
keeping Herm is just postponing the inevitable. Lets start a real rebuild, with a real front office and real coaches.
“How many GMs have you/the KC faithful run off? Not even 1 in the last 20 years”
Let’s test your memory Rin, Carl Peterson back in ‘08. Peterson left with 1 year on his contract when Arrowhead was half empty during games and fans were voicing their displeasure with the Chiefs performance. I’m sure Clark didn’t notice the dent in the pocket book and just asked Carl to take a year off.
der der der
UnCuffed,
I agree with your thought on Rin who knows if he is even a Chiefs fan all he does is come on here and talk in the third person like a moron. Herm will be gone and this Rin character will either dissapear or find something else to talk about in the third person.
Jay says Rin Tin Tin has major man crush for Herm
Watching the press conference as we speak on NFL Network: a ‘very’ good chance Herm returns! Pioli says the process will be methodical and no quick moves regards anything, coaching, the scouting & talent department etc. In fact, Pioli says he has known Herm ‘personally’ a long time and respects him and his passion and how hard his teams always play.
Pioli is not flashy, but he is a definite change from Carl Peterson in demeanor. I Rin like him – from what I have seen thus far. More so as I said whether Herm stays or goes will be as Clark Hunt AGAIN stated today, “a ‘mutual’ decision” between Clark & Scott, NOT Scott’s alone!
So don’t expect any coaching decision any time soon, Scott says there is ‘no’ rush. My take? Herm’s chances of returning – just based on my listening to Scott Pioli – have just DOUBLED!
YEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!
YUP! heh heh heh
heh heh heh, her’s a hilarious take courtesy the radio hack kietzman. Scott Pioli made not ‘one’ comment that directly or indirectly suggested or inferred that Herm Edwards was on shakey ground, yet, kietzman comes on after & says “Herm Edwards is on shakey ground.”
What deception, what out & out disinformation.
I can hear kietzman/whb et al backsides puckering as they speak because they know Scotyt Pioli said nothing today to indicate any disatisfaction with Herm; rather, anything Pioli said as Rin reported faithfully (and damn near quote for quote) was in the positive.
Only time will tell which way goeth Herm, but the fact remains people hear what they ‘want’ to hear & not necessarily what was said. Or in the case a radio hack as above, they try to ‘make’ something out of pure nothing. Not even smoke, yet they try & suggest a fire is imminent.
Herm Edwards is STILL The Man! Time check: 6:01 p.m. CST, January 14, 2009!
C’mon now & weep for yourselves you Herm Haters – lemme hear it!
heh heh heh
If your observations are correct, Rin…then that’s bad news for the Chiefs, in my opinion.
If Herm goes…then I say KC is really serious about turning things around for the upcoming season.
If Herm stays…then I’d say be prepared for more of the same. Another lost year “rebuilding”.
Maybe Pioli will keep Herm as the DB Coach. Now that’s a job he could most likely handle.
Scott, hate me love me, I don’t lie…it was as I said. Doesn’t mean Herm will stay, just that some folks like the radio hack/others just cannot get past the personal attacks on a Herm, a Rin…etc. Any opinion different than theirs – their take – is ‘not’ applicable.
I don’t buy the argument, advanced by Bob and others, that Clark Hunt would be double-crossing Herm by letting him go, because he agreed to the rebuilding.
Does anybody really know what expectations Carl and/or Herm set with ownership before the season started? Judging by his pre-season statements Clark expected a lot more from team than they showed this season.
Rufus Dawes, is he still around? I wondering if he left with Carl?
Pioli will do just fine with me. I doubt if we have to wait 20 years to see if he can do the job.
herm, if he stays it will be interesting how the chiefs handle the PR. If he goes, happy days are here again (who will be the next head coach and who will be the staff??).
CLARK is making a payroll every month , and has a chance to do something , I say DO IT _ DO IT _DO IT !!
He needs a winner and to fill that staduim . Its going to cost him about the same to go this way ,with a new Leader ….. Its not going to be the same !!!!!
Agree ILChiefsFan. In Jan ‘08, Clark said this team should be competing for a playoff spot in ‘08. Anything like the 4-12 season would be unacceptable.
Well Herm blew it going 2-14. He knows it. Chiefs fans know it. NFL fans know it. Rin “any opinion different than mine is not applicable and must be attacked” denies it.
Who was that (un)masked man who praised Herm today and said he has talked to Herm – AND – will talk some more?
I believe that is the man who will have the honor nee pleasure of serving Herm Edwards as His new GM & bestest buddy…Scottie Pioli.
If Rin’s lyin’ Rin’s dyin’.
heh heh heh
Quotes from Scott Pioli:
“Herm has a great deal of passion”…AND…”I believe in passion.”
TRANSLATION: Pioli believes in Herm as KC Chiefs Head Coach in 2009!
heh heh heh
Here’s another thought: what is the possibility that Herm completes his 2009 as KC Head Coach, and ‘then’, his contract complete, Pioli either signs him to a new contract OR failing that hires some new flashy flavor of the moment not just because he has the opening/opportunity BUT because the bang for buck$ will be multiplied in fan intere$t by way the newly refurbished Arrowhead Stadium?
Herm, Clark Hunt & Scottie are not dense…if they are thus sharp they will look to take advantage of aby/all opportunities to fan the flames fan excitement. So, new Head Coach 2010 and maybe a new young QB or other enticements etc. creates a buzz & excitement not seen around these parts in many a year?
Too, if the Chiefs need help from tax breaks for the stadium and training camp areas, why would Hunt pay Edwards AND Carl Peterson while still having to pay another GM in Pioli AND another Head Coach Mr. X – all four – during the 2009 season? To do so would make no financial success, and that ‘is’ a consideration, my opine.
Just consider rationally the merits said argument.
Rin ten ten….. I am so sorry it is not ten margaritas, or bad weed , you’re wearing blinders. It is now 6:56pm and Herm should be cleaning out his desk.
Nor financial ’sense’ nor ‘cents’ for that matter…heh heh heh
BTW…tune into 610 kcsp radio Kansas City for a much more professional and unbiased take than the a** clowns on 810.
I agree, devilD. BIG WIDE blinders. 2 – 14 speaks for itself, rebuilding or not. Thats just not aceptable.
if he stays its only cause its the last year of his contract..and …cowher will be coach next season anyway…thats the plan
Oh, and for the record: Carl Peterson was hired by the Chiefs on Decemnber 19, 1988… Peterson hired Marty Schottenheimer on January 24, 1989, a period of 36 days or more than 5 weeks after.
Today is Pioli’s first day… whether you want Herm or not, Scottie has – to borrow from ‘The Carpenter’s – which is why Scottie said today that there will be no rush.
Peace.
“Scottie has “only just begun” was the excised portion… &!*$#?* blog gremlins.
I have no doubt that like Bill Belichick, Scott Pioli has a great deal of respect for Herman Edwards both as a man and a coach.
Pioli will base his decision on an entirely different perspective than the average pinhead fan.
I wouldn’t bet the farm just yet that Herm is gone. I think that Scott and Herm could work together.
It seems funny that many on this site have criticized some of us for misguided optimism and those same people would celebrate the hiring of someone that has no head coaching experience or that is unproven as a coach in the NFL.
Bob, keep up the good work and stay right where you are. Your competition and objects of your criticism obviously are posting on your site. That is probably a good thing and my guess brings a grin to your face.
I just finished watching the press conference, and I agree with Rin that the tone of the remarks by Pioli seem to be in favor of retaining Herm. Either way it goes, I trust Pioli’s judgement a heck of a lot more than the think-they-know-it-alls that post on all the Chiefs forums. I think that Herm’s deficiencies can be addressed with other changes to the coaching staff, and I think the the positives he brings would be hard to replace. As Pioli mentioned to the press, the thing most noticeable about Herm’s team this year was how hard they played. In trying to build a “team first” atmosphere where everybody is working together and working hard, you’d be hard pressed to find a better coach to shape that sort of team than Herm Edwards. That’s not my opinion, that’s the opinion of many in the NFL who are much more qualified to see that than any of us are. That may not be enough to save his job, but I guess time will tell. It’s a new year, with new management, many changes on the horizon; and I’m very much looking forward to next season, regardless of who the head coach is.
Wanna borrow a piece of my body armor Blaze?
Nah, don’t need it. I’m really pretty neutral on the situation, and like I said—I trust Pioli’s judgement. If he decides that Herm’s The Man, I’m ok with that. I do think that if he stays, major changes need to be made with the rest of the coaching staff. I don’t think we should lay everything off on Herm, especially given the numerous misfortunes the team suffered all throughout the year.
What if herm is no better in 09 and in 08? Is a good drafting enough to keep herm? Then there are the coaches, who goes or stays? Do any of you really want Gunther or Krumrie to stay on the team? More than a few want Dick Curl gone, do not know why. All these question will be amswered in 09, but why? Just clean house and start the rebuild. There is no reason to wait until 2010 with a new coach. That is what happened to herm his first year by up it off one more year.
Last season is over. The Patriots didn’t make the playoffs, the Chiefs didn’t make the playoffs. San Diego is eliminated, the Giants are eliminated, every team not playing in Pennsylvania, Maryland or Arizona is eliminated. Everyone is going to start out 0-0 next September. Love the Pioli hiring. Getting the top GM prospect is a lot like a college team having a good recruiting class. That’s what you need to win. I could see Herm and Chan Gailey given another year, with Gunther and all the D coaches looking for new jobs. We’ll find out by Friday.
So long as we get ride of Dick Curl, Gunther, Krumrie, and take away Herm Edwards clock management and red flag privileges than I’m all for keeping Herm. This D is a mess though right now. I’m wondering if David Gibbs wouldn’t make a bad DC for us? He seems like the only defensive coach worth retaining.
tm1946
Another possibilty is that Herm himself may in fact decide “I don’t want to be here as a lame duck Head Coach”, so he may well choose to re-sign of his own accord as Rin has stated afore.
There are as many reasons as opinions to do this, that or some other move or standing pat. Only in the hindsight aft the fact will we see whether or not it was a prudent move.
I haven’t heard anyone’s thoughts – other than mine which I always truly enjoy – as to impressions KC fandom regards Pioli.
What do any of you loud-mouthed know it alls think about Scott? Rin was impressed, quite a nice change from Carl in that I didn’t sense Scottie was some card shark, rather a play it close to the vest gentlemen…refreshing.
Feedback/thots on Scottie? Anyone?
The fear in responding to my request for opinions regards our man Scottie likely lies in the yellow streak down the backsides of those this blog- aka lions who roar only but when they are not in any danger of being ridiculed for being wrong aft the fact.
If Pioli keeps Herm tomorrow and a blogger was impressed by Scottie Pioli today, well… that will never do if a blogger was asking Pioli to bring them the head of Alfredo Herm Garcia.
On the other, if you were not impressed by Pioli today and then tomorrow or thereaft Herm exits via his own device or Scotti’s, you” want to change your vote to “that Pioli, I like him.”
Anyone with a pair speak up now, or forever hold your…miniscule duo.
Rin has…I am the dog that will hunt – “there’s no need to fear…Rin Tin Tin is here!”
Becomes clear now…the Herm Hater faction, all of them (no not that one, the other guy) are so scared Scott will ‘keep’ Herm Edwards they are quaking in their little boot(ie)s…yup, that’s the ticket!
heh heh heh
I’m not afraid to make a prediction. I’ve made it in the other blogs but I’ll do it here too you arrogant old fop. Pioli will have a long talk with Herm on Thursday, and then, once he realizes just how delusional and idiotic Herm really is (seeing is believing) he’ll send him on his way. Will the ax drop on Friday? Perhaps, or maybe Pioli takes the weekend to decide. All in all, Herm is as good as gone. There’s tickets to be sold and a new era to usher in.
Pioli was a fantastic hire one way or the other, but “if” he decides to retain Herm for another year I’ll be GREATLY surprised and very much disappointed.
“Edwards deserves to keep his job” was the biggest laugh I’ve had all day. He is a lousy coach, period. He gotta go the stink of wretched losing is about him. Pioli will lose half his good will if he doesn’t get rid of Edwards. Oh and if Edwards returned the fans will revolt the likes never before seen.
ATTENTION STAFF: CUSTOMER IN AISLE ‘COLBY’ NEEDS ASSISTANCE WITH LAXATIVES – STAT!!! HE JUST DONE MESSED HIMSELF…AGAIN.
heh heh heh
Ooh, scary!
The “fans will revolt!” Jody said with hopeth in his heart…alas, no real basis to reconcile his dream with reality.
Somewhere tonight, Carl Peterson is chuckling over that one.
heh heh heh
Cheese
Here’s hoping you are “very much” rewarded, as such…
I agree with Rin Tin Tins original thought of Herm completing his last year of his contract.
1. Outside of Shannahan there are not of coaches out there
2. He is gonna get paid for it anyways.
3. Clark can save face as far as Herm can’t bash him saying he didn’t give him a chance as far as rebuilding
4. They can hold a contract extension over Herm’s head next year. Amazing how people perform when their job is on the line.
5. This is my personal favorite. Bill Cower will be available in 2010
Oh Mein Gott- Rin’s started a veritable avalanche of support for Herm! Only…thing is – that being the case – now Herm probably won’t be retained if consensus becomes rampant.
If it isn’t one thing, it’s another…
The thought that there aren’t many good coaches out there to replace Herm is so ignorant that it’s sad. Most of us had no idea who Mike Smith was before he turned Atlanta around instantly. John Harbaugh certainly wasn’t a big name hire either in Baltimore and now he’s won two playoff games and could conceivably go to the Super Bowl. Just because Shanahan, McDaniels, and (ugh) Cowher are the only names you know doesn’t mean they’re the only good coaches out there.
We need to go in a new direction because we know what we have in the status quo: a coach who has won 4 or fewer games three times in nine years and who has NEVER done better than 10-6. This is the guy who is going to lead us to the Super Bowl? Please. Bring on more fresh faces with new ideas like they did with Pioli.
Rin ten ten… step away from the skunky coach and get on board the crazy train. Colby is right new and fresh, year,president,GM,and coaching staff. Change is good, new eyes,new energy, new winning attitude. One game at a time and all of that. We need a leader, not Herm who watches the replay and hopes for different results. We need a coach who will say ” yes we can” and “yes we will”. I write to you having never worn booties, or shown fear. From one dog to another get with the program.
Well if making coaching changes is a great thing shouldn’t Oakland be winning the division every year??
you would think so ??????????
The difference between Oakland and other places where coaching changes have been made (and the same would hold true here) is that Al Davis meddles in everything and basically ties the hands of his coach, making him inept. There are stories about him calling down from his suite to the sideline during a game to make a play call on 4th and inches with the game on the line. It’s hard to “just win, baby” when you’re not allowed to call your own game.
Modell, Hunt and Bud Adams are examples of coaches that let their coaches coach. If you have the right guy at the helm, it’s a lot easier for them to find success than it would be for the same guy to find it in Oakland-just ask Lane Kiffin.
OK Colby since you don’t want Cower then who?