Wednesday Morning Cup O’Chiefs
If you are one of those people who said Glenn Dorsey was a bust as the Chiefs No. 1 draft pick last year, understand that the man in question has heard you.
And if you are one of those people who think Dorsey is now obsolete because of the change in coaching staff and new defensive scheme, let it be known that he’s heard you on that as well.
“I’m not going to lie and say you don’t hear those things,” Dorsey said this week, as the Chiefs began their round of OTA sessions. “Hey, when a team wins two games there are not a lot of nice things they are going to say about anybody.
“It’s always discouraging when you hear negative things about you. But I don’t pay them much mind. I know what I did last year and I’m starting to get a pretty good idea of what’s ahead for this year with the new defense. I’m just working hard and trying to help this team win some more football games.”
The rush to judgment on the part of some in the media on Dorsey’s rookie season had less to do with what the young man did on the field, and more to do with the agendas of various pundits as they tried to make Carl Peterson/Herm Edwards look as bad as possible. We wrote about Dorsey and his rookie season back in January. Here’s the link to that story.
And here’s a chart of first-round defensive tackles in the last five NFL Drafts and what they did in his rookie seasons:
| Player | YR/Pick |
GP |
GS |
Tot. Tackles |
Sacks |
Recvr. Fumble |
Forc. Fumble |
| Glenn Dorsey | 2008/5 |
16 |
16 |
46 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
| Sederick Ellis | 2008/7 |
13 |
13 |
30 |
4 |
0 |
0 |
| Kentwan Balmer | 2008/29 |
16 |
0 |
7 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
| Amobi Okoye | 2007/10 |
16 |
14 |
32 |
5.5 |
0 |
1 |
| Adam Carriker | 2007/13 |
16 |
16 |
30 |
2 |
1 |
0 |
| Justin Harrell | 2007/16 |
7 |
2 |
16 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
| Haloti Ngata | 2006/12 |
16 |
16 |
31 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
| Brodrick Bunkley | 2006/14 |
15 |
0 |
9 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
| John McCargo | 2006/26 |
5 |
0 |
6 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
| Travis Johnson | 2005/16 |
15 |
3 |
26 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
| Mike Patterson | 2005/31 |
16 |
7 |
45 |
3.5 |
0 |
1 |
| Tommie Harris | 2004/14 |
16 |
16 |
44 |
3.5 |
0 |
1 |
| Vince Wilfork | 2004/21 |
16 |
6 |
42 |
2 |
2 |
0 |
| Marcus Tubbs | 2004/23 |
11 |
3 |
13 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
Those numbers scream that what Dorsey did last year in a bad season with a bad defense was pretty normal for first round defensive tackles.
“I don’t expect them to go back and do research,” said Dorsey. “That’s the fans, they react how they want to react.
“Listen, I was the fifth pick and we only one two games, so I guess I’m going to be in the bull’s eye. It comes with it. I talked to my parents about it and they told me what I was thinking: I’ve got to turn things into a positive. That’s what I’m trying to do.”
As to whether he’s out of place now with the defensive change around the Chiefs, Dorsey doesn’t see that.
“A lot of people are thinking this is a straight 3-4 defense and it’s not,” said Dorsey. “Being at an end is a new place for me, but it’s not going to be a classic 3-4 end on every snap. I think I can do it. It’s something new to get used too. I’m trying to get better with it and trying to improve one day at a time.
“There’s a place for me in this defense.”
Dorsey has been limited in his participation first in the team’s mini-camp and now in the first OTA by an old shin injury.
“It’s nothing major,” said Dorsey. “If it was a game, I would have played. We are just trying to make sure it heals and I can get over it.”
The focus for Glenn Dorsey is adapting to the new defense and getting stronger and in condition. There’s nothing else that he’s worried about.
“I can’t focus on stuff like that,” Dorsey said of the criticism. “The moment I do, I fall behind in getting done what I’ve got to get done. I know it comes with the territory and the only way I’m going to shut people up is to go out and dominate.
“That’s what I’m working for right now, trying to get better and be more of an impact player. I don’t take it negatively or positively, I’ve got to do what I’ve got to do.”
Whether is means anything to what Dorsey may get done this year, here’s what those DTs taken in the last five drafts did in their second season. Ellis and Balmer are not included, because like Dorsey, they are entering their sophomore NFL campaigns:
| Player | YR/Pick |
GP |
GS |
Tot. Tackles |
Sacks |
Recvr. Fumble |
Forc. Fumble |
| Amobi Okoye | 2007/10 |
14 |
12 |
24 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
| Adam Carriker | 2007/13 |
15 |
9 |
23 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
| Justin Harrell | 2007/16 |
6 |
0 |
11 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
| Haloti Ngata | 2006/12 |
16 |
16 |
63 |
3 |
0 |
1 |
| Brodrick Bunkley | 2006/14 |
15 |
15 |
32 |
3 |
1 |
0 |
| John McCargo | 2006/26 |
16 |
0 |
29 |
2.5 |
1 |
1 |
| Travis Johnson | 2005/16 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
| Mike Patterson | 2005/31 |
16 |
16 |
52 |
1.5 |
3 |
0 |
| Tommie Harris | 2004/14 |
16 |
16 |
34 |
3 |
2 |
2 |
| Vince Wilfork | 2004/21 |
16 |
16 |
54 |
.5 |
1 |
0 |
| Marcus Tubbs | 2004/23 |
13 |
12 |
40 |
5.5 |
1 |
2 |
The Chiefs hope Dorsey follows in the footsteps of Ngata, Patterson and Wilfork in their second seasons in the league.
OWNERS GIVE SUPER BOWL TO NEW ORLEANS FOR 2012 SEASON
NFL owners meeting in Ft. Lauderdale on Tuesday awarded Super Bowl 48 to the New Orleans Superdome.
It will be played there in February 2013 and will be the 10th NFL championship game played there.
Throughout the process New Orleans was considered the sentimental favorite to land the game over Arizona and south Florida. What helped the chances of the game was when the state of Louisiana and Saints reached a long-term lease agreement that includes $85 million in renovations to the Dome.
By the time of Super Bowl kickoff, the game will be played in an expanded Dome with 70,000 seats, extra suites, wider concourses, more restaurants, a bunker club lounge, and a sports district outside.
Two weeks ago, the Greater New Orleans Sports Foundation mailed its bid to all the NFL owners in handmade wooden boxes of Louisiana cypress and fitted with marine brass fixtures salvaged from docks on the Mississippi River. Each box had a customized wooden placard bearing the logo of each team and inside were three binders promoting the bid and an iPod with a 2 ½ -minute audio-video presentation.
There was no word out of Ft. Lauderdale on the vote total, but it will likely be reported as unanimous by the league.
New Orleans last hosted in 2002, when Adam Viniateri’s 48-yard field goal as time expired lifted New England over St. Louis.
WILL FRANKLIN CHANGING TEAMS AGAIN
There was much that was made by some Chiefs fans when the team released 2008 draft choice WR Will Franklin. Rumors floated around about of bad conversation between Franklin and head coach Todd Haley.
The story inside the franchise was that Franklin showed up out of shape and overweight, and did not take well to extra scrutiny as he went through the team’s strength and conditioning program. That’s why he was released.
Franklin was claimed by five teams on waivers and was awarded to Detroit. But the Lions released Franklin and he’s now signed with the Oakland Raiders.
We all know the attraction for Al Davis and the Raiders. It’s the speed that Franklin showed going into last year’s NFL Draft.
Maybe the Raiders can pull that out of Franklin, but he never showed that top end speed while on the football field in training camp, practice or games during the 2008 season. Franklin may also learn that as a professional, he needs to stay in shape 12 months a year.
NOW THIS IS A TOUGH GUY!
When the Dallas Cowboys practice bubble collapsed under high winds on May 2, one of the most seriously injured people was the team’s special teams coach Joe DeCamillis, who suffered broken vertebra in his neck and underwent surgery.
The surgery took place on May 4 and DeCamillis was released from the hospital on May 10. Nine days later on Tuesday, he was on the practice field during the Cowboys OTA session, working with the special teams. As you can see from the Dallas Morning News picture, he was wearing a neck brace and used a megaphone to direct players during the session.
He left the field after the special teams portion of the workout. The fact that he was even out there is quite a statement of his fortitude and if the Cowboys players can’t learn from an example like that, then they can’t learn.
UNITED FOOTBALL LEAGUE ANNOUNCES ASSISTANT COACHES
The United Football League released the names of some of the assistant coaches who will be working for the four teams in the league’s inaugural season this fall.
Former Chiefs LB coach Don Blackmon who was fired after the ‘07 season, will be the defensive coordinator of the New York team under head coach Ted Cotrell.
Working on Jim Haslett’s staff with the team in Orlando will be former Chiefs defensive line coach Carl “Big Daddy” Hairston.
And working on the staff of Denny Green in San Francisco and handling the defensive backs is former Chiefs safety Martin Bayless.
SIGNINGS & MOVEMENT AROUND THE LEAGUE
BUCS – placed FB Byron Storer on injured-reserve for the rest of the season with a knee injury.
JETS – signed sixth-round draft choice G Matt Slauson; released CB Tyron Brackenridge.
SAINTS – signed DE Anthony Hargrove (Bills).
SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY …
Born on May 20, 1960 in Menomonie, Wisconsin was current Chiefs D-Line coach Tim Krumrie (left). He played 12 seasons in the NFL, all with the Cincinnati Bengals, appearing in 188 games. He began his coaching career with the Bengals in 1995, moved on to Buffalo and then joined the Chiefs in 2006.
Born on May 20, 1942 in Detroit was DL Ed Lothamer. He joined the Chiefs as a fourth-round draft choice in 1964 out of Michigan State and played eight seasons with the team (1964-69, 71-72), appearing in 88 games.
Born on May 20, 1943 in Anaheim was QB John Huarte. He spent two seasons with the Chiefs (1970-71), appearing in two games and completing two of eight passes for 18 yards and an interception.
Born on May 20, 1966 in San Antonio was TE Mike Dyal. He played two seasons with the Chiefs (1992-93), appearing in nine games and catching eight passes for 90 yards.
Good for Dorsey. I hope he excels. He hasn’t played enough to be too critical of him. He is one of those people that I think will be much better and will help propel this team up to the top.
I hope that Dorsey excels as well. Let’s not be so quick to give him a pass though. By most accounts he wasn’t in shape or putting in the work last year. Dorsey was relying on the brute strength and low center of gravity that he used in college. That won’t get it done in the NFL. Dorsey needs to dedicate himself to football; working out, mastering techniques and watching film.
This hybrid D sounds pretty cool, I hope it works. Sounds like Dorsey has the right atttitude.
Ngata, Patterson and Wilfork dont play the same postion that Dorsey will be playing. Dorsey might enjoy similar success as a 3 technique 4-3 DT, but it would be hard to imagine that as a 3-4 DE. That is the problem.
aPauled says:
“By most accounts he wasn’t in shape or putting in the work last year… Dorsey needs to dedicate himself to football; working out, mastering techniques and watching film.”
He’s going to HAVE to. That BS isn’t going to fly with Haley. And maybe that’s exactly what he needs. Actually, I’m hoping that’s the case with many of our young players. The “putting in the work” is the reason that I’m holding out hope that we’ll be much better than last year…with a lot of the same players. But hope is just that…hope. It’s about all you CAN have in May, though.
How can all those guys at the Combine catch one pass after another in rapid fire,and someone with alot of talent cant get a grip on the ball.
OK—-think about this, —-If your dog looks at you and the door, and you don’t let him out, he wet’s the floor,whos fault is it?
HOW did Toney G. almost never fail to grab darn near EVERY pass and HAUL IT IN!!!!
Don’t just train the dog with out trainning the owner…
This will not be a true sophomore season for Dorsey considering the changes that are taking place. However he does know the speed of the game and what it takes to be successful. I think we will see some improvement this season but it is his third season that will be the true test of what kind of NFL player he is going to be.
The Chiefs and their swings and misses at drafting DTs seems to be continuing with Dorsey who looked like a sure thing for the 2008 draft. I find it interesting that Glenn’s common denominator for both his rook and 2d season is Krumrie.
What will Haley and Pendergast’s influence change Dorsey from his performance in 2008 when he still has the same Dline coach? Glenn’s best shot at creating impact in the NFL is being a 3 tech DT and now he’s being asked to adapt to hybrid schemes?
I don’t know but have a sinking feeling we’re seeing Ryan Sims, part II.
Um… ok, well I dont know what that meant exactly, but im sure there is a point somewhere in there. I dont know why anyone would call Dorsey a bust yet, look at his stats compare them with Warren Sapps rookie numbers also. They aren’t bad, if he was on the Ravens or the Eagles he would have looked pretty damn good since those teams already have a defense to fall back on if Dorsey didn’t dominate in his first season. He will be a good defensive lineman. I would hate to see him not be a part of the team this year and go somewhere else where he excels.
Even though it was simply rumors, had Peria Jerry not fallen to the Falcons in the 1st round, it sounded like the Chiefs were going to trade Dorsey to them for their 1st and 3rd round picks. That would have been a 17-18 million dollar cap hit, but then, that’s where the Matt Cassel extension rumor came from. Sign Cassel long term, save maybe 5-6 million on him to make the Dorsey hit more bearable. Jerry ends up falling to Atlanta so they take their chances with him instead of Dorsey, the Chiefs wisely hold off on a Cassel extension for now, and deny that any of this ever happened.
Somehow, I think this is exactly what happened on draft weekend, but we’ll never know for sure.
Rip ‘em (and all of the other people comparing Dorsey to Sims)-
Comparing Dorsey to Sims doesn’t make much sense. Sims started two games his rookie year and played in six before his dislocated elbow. Dorsey started sixteen. Dorsey has more tackles in one year (46) than Sims had his first two (44).
Even if Dorsey doesn’t start a game this year, he’s less of a bust than Sims.
I’m with the group of people who think it’s ridiculous to call Dorsey a bust after his rookie year.
Every Pundit, scout and fan said he was the best Defensive “PLAYER” in the draft last year… The chiefs couldn’t go wrong with him, Ryan Sims didn’t have half the stats Dorsey did in his rookie season 6 games, 6 tackles, 1 pass defensed and in his second year 16 games 38 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 pass defensed, 1 interception. Im pretty sure that Dorsey can out due that in his second year…
arrowhead1978,
every pundit, scout, and fan said that Ryan sims was the best defensive player in his draft too. Remember, we beat out the Vikings for his services.
As for Dorsey’s ’shin’ injury that is still lingering from college, it is likely a hairline stress fracture of his right Tibia that was discovered at the combine. If it has been 2yrs and the thing is still causing him trouble, then he might need to go ahead and have microfracture surgery and get it over with.
Yup. And this year it was Aaron Curry. I guess we’ll see in a couple of years if Pioli knew what he was doing in taking Jackson. Or not.
I think you’re right Colby on the draft day scenario with ATL. Only thing I can’t figure out is why they didn’t make the deal regardless of who fell to them because I’m confident Dorsey graded out higher than the guy they drafted, he’s under contract & had a year of experience.
If we end up going totally 3-4 at some point, I believe Dorsey’s value will fall because he won’t be as productive and other teams will know he’ll be “moved” somehow. This means they’ll sit for a reduced demand from KC knowing this.
I believe Dorsey is a good player & will be a good player in a scheme suited to his strengths…perhaps even a star. I just think the percentages are lower on that happening with KC moving to the 3-4. A top 5 draft pick should be a solid starter, not a role player.
Maybe this “shin injury” turned ATL off.
Nice article Bob, but there was one thing I noticed in my function as the grammar police. I think you meant to use the word “won” instead of the word “one” in the following quote.
““Listen, I was the fifth pick and we only one two games, so I guess I’m going to be in the bull’s eye… .”
Oh well. I am sure the illiterate journalists that work for KC’s local rag will never notice.
I do hope Dorsey can and I am sure he will make a good transition with the new coaching staff. Everyone is tearing the guy apart but what about Hali? This is the year he needs to stand out or get out! Same goes with Derrick Johnson….show us something or hit the road in my eyes.
Not true about Sims being the best DT in that draft. Albert Haynesworth and John Henderson were BOTH considered better prospects.
For some reason, the Chiefs got hot on Ryan Sims. Vikings were rumored to be interested in Sims at the time, but that was likely just a rumor.
Most everybody had Haynesworth and Henderson rated higher. It was disappointing to see the Chiefs take Sims.
‘Grammar police’? what’s won mistake?
herowithin says:
“‘Grammar police’? what’s won mistake?”
Awww…who nose?
Tim
I’d say Atlanta wanted Jerry because he would be cheaper than Dorsey. Also, they would get to keep their 3rd round pick as well. This is assuming the 1st and 3rd rumor held any water. I’m not on the “Dorsey is a bust” band wagon, but I do worry about how well he fits in this new defense, and I think the coaches do too. This rumor didn’t come from nowhere. The same people who reported it also reported the Chiefs would take Jackson the night before the draft and they nailed that one.
Also, to back up what Double A pointed out, Julius Peppers was considered the best defensive player in 2002. He was on the same DL as Sims at North Carolina and people were trying to figure out which one made the other look better. Anyone with sense who watched them play could see it was Peppers elevating Sims and not the other way around, but we all know how great Carl was at drafting DTs…..
Said it when drafted, and all during the year, the man was used the wrong way, I dont care what Sapp is saying about it…
He is NOT a bust, hes going to be a force with Jackson
I expect great things from Dorsey, last year, he wasnt in shape for it, because of coming from college and having that knee injury, but he was a force in the first quarter and a half. With good conditioning, I think he has a better year, and continues to be a force.
I wouldve been fine had they moved him for a 1/3 on draft day, but Im also fine keeping him, hes a great player, I hope he shows it.
Yea and that was Dick Vermiel drafting defensive players also… One thing I wouldn’t give Vermiel was that he was the best at evaluating talent..
dont see the cassel extention and the trade of dorsey as linked, there was more than enough room to take the hit than to force a deal that then goes away for no real good reason…you dont plan to give a guy a 6 year deal to be your QB then take it back because a trade doesnt fall through that includes your DT….
Bob
John Huarte who you listed as a Chief 1970-1971 was actually also member of Kaycee’s 1969 World Championship team (John just wasn’t included on the KC active roster, but he was under contract that year, appeared on team picture(s), etc.)
As that stint in roster limbo was to be highlight John’s otherwise pedestrian career, thought said was worth mentioning. Oh…he also got himself a nice big ‘rock’ for one of his fingers.
Hope Dorsey will find some success. Everyone compares his first year to Sapp’s but I doubt any of you remember Sapp’s first year, I know I do not. But Dorsey was the 5th pick and should have impacted during one game during 08, I do not recall him being a dominate factor at all. Still hope he makes it in KC because I not feel the Chiefs can keep missing on draft picks who cannot play. With the new Pioli/Haley group I am not sure there is a place for Dorsey except as a overpaid sub with no trade value. Sorry but that is the way I see it. Also concerned about Krumie as DL coach, what is his claim to fame, a broken leg?