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	<title>Comments on: Ultimate Rebuilding Pain … Thursday Cup O’Chiefs</title>
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		<title>By: gorillafan</title>
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		<dc:creator>gorillafan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KC_Guy says:
“unless Egoli and Haley stop pissing off key players.”

What “key players” have the pissed off?

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Yeah I know, what players?

They pissed waters off but he is still here and he is not a key player

tony already wanted to be let go

lj should have been let go anyway

pollarrd, well who really knows there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KC_Guy says:<br />
“unless Egoli and Haley stop pissing off key players.”</p>
<p>What “key players” have the pissed off?</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Yeah I know, what players?</p>
<p>They pissed waters off but he is still here and he is not a key player</p>
<p>tony already wanted to be let go</p>
<p>lj should have been let go anyway</p>
<p>pollarrd, well who really knows there</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Chief</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad Chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KC_Guy says: 
&quot;unless Egoli and Haley stop pissing off key players.&quot;


What &quot;key players&quot; have the pissed off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KC_Guy says:<br />
&#8220;unless Egoli and Haley stop pissing off key players.&#8221;</p>
<p>What &#8220;key players&#8221; have the pissed off?</p>
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		<title>By: KC_Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC_Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2008 the Chiefs tore down the team - so that would qualify. In 2007 they were just patching the more obvious spots - the rather successful 2006 season (playoff!!) obviously spoiled them. But noone allowed for patience with Herm after the 2008 season. I really think they could be more competative right now had they stuck to the way they took in 2007 - and not start all over again. Long term? Who knows. I&#039;m not convinced the current approach will pay dividend in the long term - unless Egoli and Haley stop pissing off key players.
Yes, I read (and like) the Whitlock columns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2008 the Chiefs tore down the team &#8211; so that would qualify. In 2007 they were just patching the more obvious spots &#8211; the rather successful 2006 season (playoff!!) obviously spoiled them. But noone allowed for patience with Herm after the 2008 season. I really think they could be more competative right now had they stuck to the way they took in 2007 &#8211; and not start all over again. Long term? Who knows. I&#8217;m not convinced the current approach will pay dividend in the long term &#8211; unless Egoli and Haley stop pissing off key players.<br />
Yes, I read (and like) the Whitlock columns.</p>
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		<title>By: Merwin in NY</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merwin in NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with you Colby except on the DJ issue. He might play but I do not see him getting too involved in the game. I think with Bowe, Chambers and Long we might just have a good group of receivers to throw too. GO CHIEFS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with you Colby except on the DJ issue. He might play but I do not see him getting too involved in the game. I think with Bowe, Chambers and Long we might just have a good group of receivers to throw too. GO CHIEFS!</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest question is Todd Haley&#039;s capability as HC.  He has too much on his plate right now. 
His mission this off season should be to find a good OC; or at least one he will tolerate.  
He should also work on his interpersonal relationship skills; some would say he has to find some first.  If Phil Jackson has written a book on his Zen like approach to his job, Haley should find a copy and read it; if there is no such book, Scott Pioli should set up some kind of mentoring program between the two.  That may be the only way Haley survives the damage his in-your-face style has inflicted on the team.
He is doing too much  right now to try to change but if he is to survive, let alone prosper, he needs to at least upgrade those  skills from incendiary to tolerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest question is Todd Haley&#8217;s capability as HC.  He has too much on his plate right now.<br />
His mission this off season should be to find a good OC; or at least one he will tolerate.<br />
He should also work on his interpersonal relationship skills; some would say he has to find some first.  If Phil Jackson has written a book on his Zen like approach to his job, Haley should find a copy and read it; if there is no such book, Scott Pioli should set up some kind of mentoring program between the two.  That may be the only way Haley survives the damage his in-your-face style has inflicted on the team.<br />
He is doing too much  right now to try to change but if he is to survive, let alone prosper, he needs to at least upgrade those  skills from incendiary to tolerable.</p>
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		<title>By: colby</title>
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		<dc:creator>colby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Vrabel, Herron, and Belcher are all scratches this week, how freaking hilarious would it be if Studebaker and Walters get more time on the field than DJ?  Gotta think that would set him off!  In all seriousness, I am looking forward to DJ getting more playing time this week.  In limited action he has a sack, an INT, and a forced fumble.

Glad Alleman will be starting instead of Goff from now on.  If Alleman or Ndukwe can solidify the RG spot, that leaves us with one less hole to fill next year.

Too bad Chambers is already missing practice time.  Hope he rebounds and plays well again.  I think we may have found a gem in Lance Long.  People are dogging him now, but the kid has shown that he can catch the ball, which is more than our other receivers have done.

I&#039;m also hoping to see more of Magee, Charles, Savage, and Studebaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Vrabel, Herron, and Belcher are all scratches this week, how freaking hilarious would it be if Studebaker and Walters get more time on the field than DJ?  Gotta think that would set him off!  In all seriousness, I am looking forward to DJ getting more playing time this week.  In limited action he has a sack, an INT, and a forced fumble.</p>
<p>Glad Alleman will be starting instead of Goff from now on.  If Alleman or Ndukwe can solidify the RG spot, that leaves us with one less hole to fill next year.</p>
<p>Too bad Chambers is already missing practice time.  Hope he rebounds and plays well again.  I think we may have found a gem in Lance Long.  People are dogging him now, but the kid has shown that he can catch the ball, which is more than our other receivers have done.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also hoping to see more of Magee, Charles, Savage, and Studebaker.</p>
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		<title>By: gorillafan</title>
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		<dc:creator>gorillafan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think our players are going to have a huge chip on their shoulders, just pissed about giving the game away on the last drive, that they will be confident and play with passion and give us a win</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think our players are going to have a huge chip on their shoulders, just pissed about giving the game away on the last drive, that they will be confident and play with passion and give us a win</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And who better to smoke than the Raiders…at their house?&quot;

We can rename their place the SmokeHouse (where the home team gets smoked every year by the Chiefs)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And who better to smoke than the Raiders…at their house?&#8221;</p>
<p>We can rename their place the SmokeHouse (where the home team gets smoked every year by the Chiefs)!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lloyd+</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Lloyd+</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to football , 
 Is there a door here .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to football ,<br />
 Is there a door here .</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lloyd+</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Lloyd+</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I feel so good ,  I start looking at what the lottery is up to or fly to the moon ?
 This is a question as much as a statement .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I feel so good ,  I start looking at what the lottery is up to or fly to the moon ?<br />
 This is a question as much as a statement .</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lloyd+</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Lloyd+</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching (Squak On The Street)there is a guy that just came out with a book----&quot; What do killer whales have in commen with childern &quot; . -- O.K.&gt;
When they train the whales in the Fla. show&#039;s they reward them to get the needed results !!
He is saying that if you do this with childern , 
 same thing .
They then started talking about how this works in the WORK PLACE .  I went BINGO !!!
If you repremaned people they hibernate from this the same as the cave man when he did not have food for days . 
Hibernation is also a form of depression in the human build of todays mankind .
To disapate this , man is in a better fuction mode if he is rewarded for the things he thinks he does well.
I know that when I pick up a BIG check , I fell like I can do anything .
When I&#039;m low on dough I feel like shi*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching (Squak On The Street)there is a guy that just came out with a book&#8212;-&#8221; What do killer whales have in commen with childern &#8221; . &#8212; O.K.&gt;<br />
When they train the whales in the Fla. show&#8217;s they reward them to get the needed results !!<br />
He is saying that if you do this with childern ,<br />
 same thing .<br />
They then started talking about how this works in the WORK PLACE .  I went BINGO !!!<br />
If you repremaned people they hibernate from this the same as the cave man when he did not have food for days .<br />
Hibernation is also a form of depression in the human build of todays mankind .<br />
To disapate this , man is in a better fuction mode if he is rewarded for the things he thinks he does well.<br />
I know that when I pick up a BIG check , I fell like I can do anything .<br />
When I&#8217;m low on dough I feel like shi*</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Chief</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad Chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad fact:


Our last &quot;convincing&quot; win?  And by &quot;convincing&quot; I mean by more than one score.

Sept. 28 last year.  We beat the Donkeys 33-19.  Before that?  Sept. 30 of 2007.  We beat the Chargers 30-16.  That&#039;s the only two wins in the last 2 1/2 years that we&#039;ve won by more than one score.  (I didn&#039;t count the Redskins game this year.  They could have tied us with a TD and 2-point conversion.)

I&#039;d really like to see that trend end this weekend.  And who better to smoke than the Raiders...at their house?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad fact:</p>
<p>Our last &#8220;convincing&#8221; win?  And by &#8220;convincing&#8221; I mean by more than one score.</p>
<p>Sept. 28 last year.  We beat the Donkeys 33-19.  Before that?  Sept. 30 of 2007.  We beat the Chargers 30-16.  That&#8217;s the only two wins in the last 2 1/2 years that we&#8217;ve won by more than one score.  (I didn&#8217;t count the Redskins game this year.  They could have tied us with a TD and 2-point conversion.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d really like to see that trend end this weekend.  And who better to smoke than the Raiders&#8230;at their house?</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A convincing win would be nice.&quot;

Mandatory!  Even in seasons&#039; past when the Raiders went to the Super Bowl, we beat them at least once (often twice).  Even &quot;Herm&#039;s Men&quot; could beat the Raiders.  To paraphrase a SEC head coach recently, we need to let the Raiders appreciate &quot;the sincerity of our contact&quot; (e.g. hit them in the mouth and mean it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A convincing win would be nice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mandatory!  Even in seasons&#8217; past when the Raiders went to the Super Bowl, we beat them at least once (often twice).  Even &#8220;Herm&#8217;s Men&#8221; could beat the Raiders.  To paraphrase a SEC head coach recently, we need to let the Raiders appreciate &#8220;the sincerity of our contact&#8221; (e.g. hit them in the mouth and mean it).</p>
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		<title>By: ILChiefsFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILChiefsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mad Chief said:
&quot;How the hell did they beat the Eagles, anyway?&quot;

They blitzed the hell out of the Eagles.  This is apparently a no-no in the mind of Al Davis, but it certainly worked in that game.  The Chiefs need to watch out for that kind of pressure.

And I agree with you; the Raiders game is a must-win. If the Chiefs can&#039;t pull this one out it&#039;s pretty hard to argue that they&#039;ve made any progress this season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mad Chief said:<br />
&#8220;How the hell did they beat the Eagles, anyway?&#8221;</p>
<p>They blitzed the hell out of the Eagles.  This is apparently a no-no in the mind of Al Davis, but it certainly worked in that game.  The Chiefs need to watch out for that kind of pressure.</p>
<p>And I agree with you; the Raiders game is a must-win. If the Chiefs can&#8217;t pull this one out it&#8217;s pretty hard to argue that they&#8217;ve made any progress this season.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Chief</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad Chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup...Raider Week.  We need to win this one.  We should have won when we played them here.  Their only other win was against the Eagles.  ???  How the hell did they beat the Eagles, anyway?  I didn&#039;t see the game.

With the Steelers, Chargers, and Donkeys coming up...we need to head into those games on a positive note by beating the Raiders.  A convincing win would be nice.  A blowout would be even better.  

And a note to Todd Haley:  Run the damn ball!  Let&#039;s see what our RB&#039;s can do, when given a fair shot.  You had no problem giving the ball to LJ 20+ times a game...when he wasn&#039;t doing jack.  Why not give Charles or Smith the same opportunity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup&#8230;Raider Week.  We need to win this one.  We should have won when we played them here.  Their only other win was against the Eagles.  ???  How the hell did they beat the Eagles, anyway?  I didn&#8217;t see the game.</p>
<p>With the Steelers, Chargers, and Donkeys coming up&#8230;we need to head into those games on a positive note by beating the Raiders.  A convincing win would be nice.  A blowout would be even better.  </p>
<p>And a note to Todd Haley:  Run the damn ball!  Let&#8217;s see what our RB&#8217;s can do, when given a fair shot.  You had no problem giving the ball to LJ 20+ times a game&#8230;when he wasn&#8217;t doing jack.  Why not give Charles or Smith the same opportunity?</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was merely asking...&quot;

Ok, I follow you now...(coffee hasn&#039;t kicked in just yet)...if it were someone else like Cowher, I&#039;m not sure we would be at all satisfied.  We might expect even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was merely asking&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok, I follow you now&#8230;(coffee hasn&#8217;t kicked in just yet)&#8230;if it were someone else like Cowher, I&#8217;m not sure we would be at all satisfied.  We might expect even more.</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If any of y&#039;all are bored with the discussion about how bad our team is historically (even though the season is 1/2 over...it does happen to be (destroy the) RAIDER(s) WEEK and today is a great time to re-visit some things that can help us evaluate how our team will look with a 2-7 record since most of us believe this is a very winnable game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any of y&#8217;all are bored with the discussion about how bad our team is historically (even though the season is 1/2 over&#8230;it does happen to be (destroy the) RAIDER(s) WEEK and today is a great time to re-visit some things that can help us evaluate how our team will look with a 2-7 record since most of us believe this is a very winnable game.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Chief</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad Chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SG says: 
&quot;For one, I don’t perceive our current HC as having the same credibility as Coach Cowher yet (that has to be earned).&quot;


Oh, I agree 100% there.  I was merely asking, based on our record, if we would be satisfied or confident at 1-7...if it was someone other than Haley at the &quot;helm&quot;...that things were going to improve sometime soon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SG says:<br />
&#8220;For one, I don’t perceive our current HC as having the same credibility as Coach Cowher yet (that has to be earned).&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, I agree 100% there.  I was merely asking, based on our record, if we would be satisfied or confident at 1-7&#8230;if it was someone other than Haley at the &#8220;helm&#8221;&#8230;that things were going to improve sometime soon?</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What if Cowher had been hired before this year, and he was 1-7 with this team? Would you want him gone, too?&quot;

For one, I don&#039;t perceive our current HC as having the same credibility as Coach Cowher yet (that has to be earned).  For two, the war drums aren&#039;t in play yet...but at the same time, the current season&#039;s results IS included as part of the body of work and we don&#039;t give him a mulligan just because he&#039;s the new HC.  His credibility is based on his body of work.  Are things the current HC and current GM doing (INCLUDING the trade of the FRANCHISE TE and the action or general INACTION regarding the O-Line in the offseason) working to increase or decrease their credibility when they say &quot;trust me, we&#039;ll be able to actually compete for a playoff spot next season or in two seasons?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What if Cowher had been hired before this year, and he was 1-7 with this team? Would you want him gone, too?&#8221;</p>
<p>For one, I don&#8217;t perceive our current HC as having the same credibility as Coach Cowher yet (that has to be earned).  For two, the war drums aren&#8217;t in play yet&#8230;but at the same time, the current season&#8217;s results IS included as part of the body of work and we don&#8217;t give him a mulligan just because he&#8217;s the new HC.  His credibility is based on his body of work.  Are things the current HC and current GM doing (INCLUDING the trade of the FRANCHISE TE and the action or general INACTION regarding the O-Line in the offseason) working to increase or decrease their credibility when they say &#8220;trust me, we&#8217;ll be able to actually compete for a playoff spot next season or in two seasons?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Chief</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad Chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ED says: 
&quot;Going through 3 years in a row of the team trying to rebuild is very uncommon an painful as a fan.&quot;


Yes.  Very.  The thing some seem to forget, though...is that this is the FIRST year for Pioli and Haley.  So, I&#039;ll continue to try and be patient.


I wonder if Rams fans are calling for Steve Spagnuolo&#039;s head...like so many Chiefs fans are calling for Haley&#039;s?  What if Cowher had been hired before this year, and he was 1-7 with this team?  Would you want him gone, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ED says:<br />
&#8220;Going through 3 years in a row of the team trying to rebuild is very uncommon an painful as a fan.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  Very.  The thing some seem to forget, though&#8230;is that this is the FIRST year for Pioli and Haley.  So, I&#8217;ll continue to try and be patient.</p>
<p>I wonder if Rams fans are calling for Steve Spagnuolo&#8217;s head&#8230;like so many Chiefs fans are calling for Haley&#8217;s?  What if Cowher had been hired before this year, and he was 1-7 with this team?  Would you want him gone, too?</p>
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		<title>By: ED</title>
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		<dc:creator>ED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom line this season is tough to swallow for all Chiefs fans I think. Mainly because we went through this same process with Herm and now we&#039;re going through it again with Haley. So Bob you could&#039;ve through Herm 2007 team in that group as well. Going through 3 years in a row of the team trying to rebuild is very uncommon an painful as a fan. Its understandable in our situation anytime you make a head coaching change in the first rebuild you and then you have to do it all over again because new head coach doesn&#039;t share same philophies as previous one.

However Bob my take is if offense stays the way it is now we&#039;re going to win against Oak and Cle and that will be it, but if the offense improves we can win about 4 to 6 more games. 

I do think Haley will get this thing turned around and next yr will result in a huge spike in wins. Once a couple things happen more talent at the offensive line and receiver. We add another pass rusher opposite Tamba. And last but not least hire a smart innovative offensive coord. that knows how to get the ball to the playmakers on the team. He&#039;s a sleeper pick as an offensive coord. Charlie Weiss. But think about it makes sense. If he&#039;s fired at Notre Dame more than likely he&#039;s going back to the NFL. His former GM boss is our GM. So just keep an eye out on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line this season is tough to swallow for all Chiefs fans I think. Mainly because we went through this same process with Herm and now we&#8217;re going through it again with Haley. So Bob you could&#8217;ve through Herm 2007 team in that group as well. Going through 3 years in a row of the team trying to rebuild is very uncommon an painful as a fan. Its understandable in our situation anytime you make a head coaching change in the first rebuild you and then you have to do it all over again because new head coach doesn&#8217;t share same philophies as previous one.</p>
<p>However Bob my take is if offense stays the way it is now we&#8217;re going to win against Oak and Cle and that will be it, but if the offense improves we can win about 4 to 6 more games. </p>
<p>I do think Haley will get this thing turned around and next yr will result in a huge spike in wins. Once a couple things happen more talent at the offensive line and receiver. We add another pass rusher opposite Tamba. And last but not least hire a smart innovative offensive coord. that knows how to get the ball to the playmakers on the team. He&#8217;s a sleeper pick as an offensive coord. Charlie Weiss. But think about it makes sense. If he&#8217;s fired at Notre Dame more than likely he&#8217;s going back to the NFL. His former GM boss is our GM. So just keep an eye out on that.</p>
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		<title>By: ThunderChief</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThunderChief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The excellent NFL franchises are continually upgrading their roster, not allowing favorites to remain on the roster when their level of play has slipped beyond the acceptable range.    They sort of reload on the fly.   

The Pats of the past decade are a good example of this and yet, they find room for guys like Seau who can still bring something to the roster and locker room.   Maintaining that delicate balance has to be a slippery slope of modus operandi.

One mis-step here and there and what results?   A full blown rebuild where the 2009 Chiefs find themselves.   It&#039;s one thing to go through this rebuilding, and another to stay mired in it.   

The current Chiefs, to me, are flirting with &#039;mired&#039; status which is where the Lions have been for the past how many years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The excellent NFL franchises are continually upgrading their roster, not allowing favorites to remain on the roster when their level of play has slipped beyond the acceptable range.    They sort of reload on the fly.   </p>
<p>The Pats of the past decade are a good example of this and yet, they find room for guys like Seau who can still bring something to the roster and locker room.   Maintaining that delicate balance has to be a slippery slope of modus operandi.</p>
<p>One mis-step here and there and what results?   A full blown rebuild where the 2009 Chiefs find themselves.   It&#8217;s one thing to go through this rebuilding, and another to stay mired in it.   </p>
<p>The current Chiefs, to me, are flirting with &#8216;mired&#8217; status which is where the Lions have been for the past how many years?</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A rookie hothead head coach who thinks he&#039;s too smart for a OC or QBC doesn&#039;t inspire much confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rookie hothead head coach who thinks he&#8217;s too smart for a OC or QBC doesn&#8217;t inspire much confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: el cid</title>
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		<dc:creator>el cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to wonder when Haley talks.  The reason behind some of the stats Haley is so proud of is (wait for it, drum roll) the Chiefs do nothing that would adversely affect the stats.  Cassel  does not throw downfield and the offense takes no chance playing it close to the vest.  Haley has said the team must play ugly to stay in games and possibly win.  HAS NOT WORKED SO FAR.  Cassel has said when they are desparate at the end of games he generally runs his own game.  WHY NOT LET HIM DO IT AT THE BEGINNING? Because bad things can happen if you actually try to move the ball.  Well, morning to all and enjoy the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to wonder when Haley talks.  The reason behind some of the stats Haley is so proud of is (wait for it, drum roll) the Chiefs do nothing that would adversely affect the stats.  Cassel  does not throw downfield and the offense takes no chance playing it close to the vest.  Haley has said the team must play ugly to stay in games and possibly win.  HAS NOT WORKED SO FAR.  Cassel has said when they are desparate at the end of games he generally runs his own game.  WHY NOT LET HIM DO IT AT THE BEGINNING? Because bad things can happen if you actually try to move the ball.  Well, morning to all and enjoy the process.</p>
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		<title>By: MenInRed</title>
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		<dc:creator>MenInRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you Dan, let&#039;s let it all out we got nothing to loose.

GO CHIEFS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you Dan, let&#8217;s let it all out we got nothing to loose.</p>
<p>GO CHIEFS!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lloyd+</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Lloyd+</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cassel has a good eye and arm todo it , but IF he hurried , the number of interceptions can jump .</description>
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		<title>By: ILChiefsFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ILChiefsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not getting it.  Was last season not a rebuilding season as well?  It sure was billed as one.

Last season through 8 games: 1-7, 126 pts. scored, 223 pts. allowed, -97 pt. differential.

This season is bad, and in some ways more disconcerting than last season, but do we have to pretend it&#039;s the worst ever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not getting it.  Was last season not a rebuilding season as well?  It sure was billed as one.</p>
<p>Last season through 8 games: 1-7, 126 pts. scored, 223 pts. allowed, -97 pt. differential.</p>
<p>This season is bad, and in some ways more disconcerting than last season, but do we have to pretend it&#8217;s the worst ever?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have nothing to loose.  Let&#039;s go out and just play with all abandon. Sling the ball to Chambers and Bowe.  Throw in some razzle dazzle.  Let it go and have some fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have nothing to loose.  Let&#8217;s go out and just play with all abandon. Sling the ball to Chambers and Bowe.  Throw in some razzle dazzle.  Let it go and have some fun!</p>
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