Tuesday Morning Cup O’Chiefs

There are 16 regular season games left on the 2008 NFL schedule.

This weekend, 10 of those 16 have something on the line for at least one of the teams.

With one weekend of games to play, only half of the division titles are spoken for right now. The other half will be decided in the outcome of those 10 games.

After the Bears overtime victory on a Robbie Gould FG (left) against Green Bay Monday evening, 18 of the league’s 32 teams has a rooting interest in what happens on the field. Seven teams are already in, with 11 others in various states of possible.

There are six teams that can make the playoffs this weekend simply with a victory. Those teams holding destiny in their own hands are Minnesota, Dallas, Denver, San Diego, Baltimore and Miami. Five other teams need help: Chicago, Philadelphia, New England and the New York Jets.

Here’s how it breaks down.


Tennessee (#1), Pittsburgh (#2) and Indianapolis (#5) are locked into their spots in the first round.

The No. 3 spot will go to the winner of the AFC East: Miami, New England or the Jets. The No. 4 position will go to the AFC West champion, either Denver or San Diego. The No. 6 spot will feature either Baltimore or the New England Patriots.


The New York Giants have the No. 1 seed and the other five spots are up for grabs among six teams. Even though both Carolina and Atlanta have wrapped up positions in the playoffs, they are not locked into particular positions.

Here are the games that matter this weekend in the NFL:

  • St. Louis at Atlanta: Falcons need victory and Carolina loss.
  • Jacksonville at Baltimore: Ravens need victory.
  • New England at Buffalo: Patriots need victory and one by Jets.
  • Chicago at Houston: Bears clinch NFC North with victory, Vikings loss.
  • New York Giants at Minnesota: The Vikings are in with a victory, or Bears loss.
  • Carolina at New Orleans: Clinches frost with intensity of pass rush.
  • Miami at the New York jets: Dolphins win and they are in.
  • Dallas at Philadelphia: Cowboys win they are in, while Philly needs all sorts of help.
  • Oakland at Tampa Bay: Buccaneers only chance is with a victory.
  • Denver at San Diego: winner takes the AFC West; loser goes home.

One of those six games that means nothing in the post-season picture of course is the Chiefs and Bengals in Cincinnati.


On December 23, 1962, the Dallas Texans won the American Football League championship by beating the Houston Oilers 20-17 in double-overtime at Jeppesen Stadium in Houston. The longest game in pro football history at the time, the teams played for 77 minutes, 54 seconds before Tommy Brooker’s 25-yard field in the second extra period provided the Texans with the victory. The Texans grabbed a 17-0 lead at half-time thanks to a pair of TDs from Abner Haynes. He ran for two yards and then caught a 28-yard scoring pass from Len Dawson on the other. The Oilers scored all 17 points in the second half, thanks to a 15-yard pass from George Blanda to tight end Willard Dewveall and Charley Toler ran in from the one-yard line. The Texans allowed a lot of yardage to the Houston offense, but the defense did pick o ff five Houston passes, with Johnny Robinson grabbing two Blanda throws.


Chiefs strong safety Bernard Pollard, born on December 23, 1984 in Ft. Wayne, Indiana. A second-round choice out of Purdue University, Pollard has now played in 47 consecutive games for the Chiefs.

A couple of former Chiefs celebrating birthdays today are QB Steve Stenstrom, who was drafted by the Chiefs in 1995 out of Stanford but n ever played a down for the team. He ended up spending four seasons in the league with Chicago and San Francisco. Born on this day in 1980 was linebacker Rich Scanlon, who spent parts of three seasons with the Chiefs (2004-06) and played in 31 games.

A trio of Pro Football Hall of Famers were born on this day as well, led by former Heisman Trophy winner Paul Hornung, who was arrived in this world in 1935. He spent nine seasons with Green Bay and scored 62 touchdowns.

Born on December 23, 1948 was Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker Jack Ham (left). He spent 12 seasons with the Steelers contributing a total of 53 takeaways.

Also born on this day in 1936 was Hall of Famer Willie Wood, who spent 12 seasons with Green Bay and had 48 career interceptions.


The Bengals will be without both QB Carson Palmer and WR Chad Johnson this coming Sunday because of injury.


Over in St. Louis, the guy who operated as president of football operations Jay Zygmunt is out of the Rams front office after 27 years of working for the franchise.

24 Responses to “Tuesday Morning Cup O’Chiefs”

  • December 23, 2008  - MenInRed says:

    As it looks for the end of the 2008 season, the Chiefs will have the 3rd pick in the 2009 NFL Draft. With Detroit picking 1st and St Louis picking 2nd, if there was a great QB available, both of these teams need one as well.

    So who do you all like in the spot as of now?

  • December 23, 2008  - NFL fan says:

    Ed I read your comment and I have to say I must of really got under your skin . Let me start off by saying this page is for opinions and I was making mine when it comes to talking about the NFL or the Chiefs . I guess you want to be the immature one when it comes to people expressing theirs . And I am a NFL fan but I am a Chiefs fan first I do not wear red and gold glasses I give them props when they do good and I give them negatives when they are doing bad. And yes Dungy did leave the defense intact but the offense was never very good during playoff time Gruden takes credit for getting that offense over the hump. Now back on Herm I think he has not brought the expectations that I thought he would. To be fair he did take over a playoff team but that team was old but still had some players. I like the fact he went to this youth movement but he has some of his players playing out of positions especially on the defensive side . I think the Tampa 2 is too much read and react type of defense and Gun in my opinion does not like this defense but he has to deal with it and still install his which is not working by the way making these young minds very confused. And the thing I do not like about Herm is he never takes responsibility when this team loses football games. And last but not least lets keep the insults to yourself because I do know my football especially the Chiefs.

  • December 23, 2008  - Rip 'em a new one says:

    Answering Men in Red’s question which is highly subjective and opinionated to say the least but, here goes:

    I think the Chiefs need to take a QB, either Bradford or Stafford. If both are gone, then my pick would be:

    Michael Johnson, DE, Ga Tech

    OR..Andre Smith, OT, ‘Bama, OR.. Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss.

    In order of preference:

    1) Bradford
    2) Stafford
    3) Johnson
    4) Smith
    5) Oher

  • December 23, 2008  - RedandGoldRice says:

    Right on Rip ‘em!! I TOTALLY agree with you, and I think with a new GM coming in, he’ll want to get his own QB.
    Thigpen has really played well in the last 5 or 6 games, but he consistantly over or under throws his recievers and really tends to lock onto Tony G. late in the game.
    We can’t afford to, once again, place all our eggs in one basket and hope Thigpen can develop further. If we could snag Bradford or Stafford, we could be stuck with a great problem, TWO good QBs. With as high a pick as it’s looking like right now, I think it’s a very good possibility we could get one or the other.

    On another note, I think we’ll have Herm ONE more year, IMO. I can’t see Clark not letting Herm finish the job he came here to do, whethere or not he can coach on the big day.

  • December 23, 2008  - Big Lee says:

    Do you use a #1 on a QB if we stay with spread offense? The offensive philosophy decision has to be made first. If the answer is yes you have a QB already that does a great job with spread. You could get a Pat White-type guy later in the draft for a backup.

    Since there is some debate about who the coach will be (and GM), projecting who to draft is problematic. Chiefs have so many needs, that best available would be way to go.

    Fan: Good observation about Gun vs. Herm. Tampa 2 does not seem to match up with what he was about in the past. A Bronco friend of mine has heard Gun’s name linked to their D-coordinator job. Wouldn’t it be interesting if Gun ended up in Denver? If HC changes, I’m sure he wouldn’t keep a holdover DC from the last 2 coaches.

    If you are going with a different offense, then Bradford or whomever you believe is best-available player regardless of position (except maybe defensive secondary or WR/TE) makes sense.

  • December 23, 2008  - MenInRed says:

    Well I concur with your thoughts/picks “Rip’em” depending on who the new GM is and how much true power Clark gives him in respect to the GM’s ability to fire Herm or not and if he does.

    So in short theres alot of “if’s” ahead for the Chiefs Nation over the next few weeks. the Chiefs will be better in 2009 either way it all goes down.

    I’m excited to see how it all plays out.

    Go Chiefs!

  • December 23, 2008  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    No to Bradford – he is another David Klingler in the making and no to Stafford – he is David Carr version deux.

    The Chiefs need another young QB like they need another young defensive lineman – a veteran is what they need, at both.

    Chiefs trade down in round one a few spots & pick up another #3 choice – depending on availability, would then like to see:

    In rounds: #1 LB Curry – #2 C Mack – #3a best OT, #3b best OG – #4 HB/KR – #5 S – #6a FB – #6b CB – #7a WR – #7b DT.

    NFL free agency (dependent on the availability): DE (best available), LB (Dansby), QB (Cassel), CB (Bartell.) If KC can get both LB Curry and Dansby 1 new DE will do. If not, they will sign a second DE in free agency in lieu of a LB. They may sign a second DE regardless, unless they bring back an undersized Babin – as McBride may be moved inside to DT, Hali, Johnston & Gilberry (+maybe a Babin) KC will need one more good one.)

    With an extra compensatory pick(and KC should get one at minimum) tale a LS (long snapper.) College free agents signed for competition include P, PK, DT, WR, LB, and whatever other flotsam and jetsam they can snag for training camp.

    Keep up the great work Coach Edwards. ALL of KC is behind you and we know that you will lead us back to glory very soon now.

    AND NOW, Clark Hunt hasRE-RE-affirmed – and so does Rin – that Herms The Man!

    heh heh heh


  • December 23, 2008  - arrowhead78 says:

    i wouldn’t draft a QB that high. No matter what, you dont know what you are getting, a manning or a leaf. I think the chiefs should pick up a veteran that could provide competition, like Derrick Anderson. Then you pick the best DE, LB, or OL. Your going to pay alot for a QB that high.

  • December 23, 2008  - MenInRed says:

    Rin – I actualy read your post this time and if you could just spit Herm’s c**k out of your mouth while posting, some of what you say sounds like real football talk and may even make sense.

    Sorry dude, but leave your tag line off your post. It sounds like you were one of those kids that got beat-up everyday after school.

  • December 23, 2008  - RedandGoldRice says:

    Clark Hunt has said he wants to draft and develop our own franchise QB. I for one, am tired of always taking some retread from somewhere else that follows one coach or another. Brodie, most likely won’t be on the team next year, and neither will Huard. I’d be ok with picking up a veteran QB as long as we also took a rookie, and not some 5th or 6th rounder either. You might as well trade the pick away……yeah yeah, I know, Brady was taken in the 5th. With the Chiefs drafting record, I’m sure we can duplicate that.

    I’m just tired of settling for good enough, patch work field generals. I’d like to take someone that WE select, not snag off of someones practice squad and develop, risk or not. Thats just my opinion, and I’m very well aware that thats not our first area of need and most fans don’t want to chance a bust that high……but I can hope can’t I?!

  • December 23, 2008  - Rin Tin Tin says:


    Since you took the time to pour out your heart, allow Rin a like pleasure. Your thoughts, any, are immaterial to me… verily, the only opine Rin embraces be His own – I neither curry, nor seek the affirmation others.

    Rin posts for one reason: his own enjoyment & to ensure that at least one cogent opinion – mine – sheds some semblance truth this otherwise barren intellectual wasteland. Outside Bob’s offerings, there’s no one other than I who gets it right.

    Do Rin & yourself a favor in the future…don’t torture yourself by reading my blogs – trust me when I say: I shall go on without your approval.

    heh heh heh

    Keep up the great work Coach Edwards. ALL of KC is behind you and we know that you will lead us back to glory very soon now.

    AND NOW, Clark Hunt – and Rin too – has RE-RE-affirmed Herm’s The Man!


  • December 23, 2008  - DAVE. H. says:

    See people encouraging him only make it worse, Heh heh heh

  • December 23, 2008  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    No, it’s “heh heh heh”


  • December 23, 2008  - Blake says:

    I say we trade down and get more picks

  • December 23, 2008  - RedandGoldRice says:

    That would probably make the most sense. Thats if we have someone to trade with, and we can get the better deal for it. IMO, we shouldn’t move any lower than 8th though.

  • December 23, 2008  - tm1946 says:

    I have no strong feelings on the draft yet. But the head coach or whoever picks the draft had better get a monster stud all world one of a kind player. No developemental challenged like Dorsey, not a quiet solid unassuming guy like Hali, a MONSTER AT HIS POSITION.

  • December 23, 2008  - jorge says:

    I believe we can’t draft a QB, even if it makes sense for the future of this franchise. There are a couple of reasons why:

    1) Herm can not groom any offensive player, defensive player yes, well, I should limit that to cornerback.

    2) Tyler is a young rookie QB and has kept this team in the game, for the most part, and will be in his second year as a starter. The team is not going to have to wait for this QB to “understand” the offense like they would for a drafted rookie.

    *Matt Ryan is a special case, but he has better coaches.

    Now…this is what we have to expect from the 2009 schedule.

    The chiefs are in no position at this point to challenge the NFC East. The only teams we can challenge are in our division or Cincy and Cleveland…maybe Buffalo.

    What I’m saying is that we will be better but not playoff bound unless we sweep our division. Considering the odds, we should focus on DL, OL, LB, FB, and free agency: Haynesworth would be huge!!!

    Another issue is Tony. Tony is not going to play big brother to another rookie quarterback. He might just want to leave considering the 2009 schedule, so….do we trade for a couple of picks???

    A lot of issues surrounding the Chiefs. I just hope the Chan Gailey would lean on L.J. more on those 4th and 1 situations. Herm says that we are now a pass first offense. I get that, hey it’s how we move the ball, but the best coaches can utilize both. Since Herm appears to be staying, we need a killer defense, because when it comes to the second half, Herm “plays to not lose the game!”

  • December 23, 2008  - tm1946 says:

    I would prefer a clean sweep of coaches. Thigpen, while saving us from a total meltdown, is not really very good (last game under 50 percent. New GM and new coaches would make a rebuild on the rebuild palletable.

    It is sort of like Tony G., Maybe the best liked player since superbowl players and yet? Would the team been better if all the plays he made for 10 years had been going to HOF WRs? Fact it, I cannot remember a team who were always great building around a TE. This does not take anything away from what he accomplished but you have to wonder if the team would not have been better off with dominating WRs in sted.

  • December 23, 2008  - Rip 'em a new one says:

    This entire issue of where the Chiefs draft and who do they take is in the obvious early incubator stages of development. First, we don’t know who the new GM will be and his powers.

    Nor do we know of his track record or preferences for the type of team he wants to field or the coaching style he prefers. Maybe he’s a 3-4 defensive believer, for example. THAT alone could signficantly affect both the draft and the current personnel roster

    If the new GM has total control over the draft and all other personnel matters, as he should, we could all be way off base or close to it. The two operative descriptive words to keep in mind for all of us during this transtional time are: IT DEPENDS.

  • December 23, 2008  - Larry says:

    Moe says “hello”. Two questions on your draft sequence. By choosing Curry, an outside backer, are you saying Johnson will work out in the middle? Then, with an OT in the third, I read that you are not sold on either Taylor or Richardson making their way into the lineup at RT. Correct?

  • December 24, 2008  - Adam says:

    I think the only qb worth taking at number three is not bradford from ou, but Stafford from Georgia(I might have them mixed around…). Mr Heisman played in a spread offense so of course he’s going to look really good. I really doubt that Mr. Georgia is going to be available though, and he’s a junior, so it’ll take him a year or two to develop as well. Here’s how i see it playing out:
    Free Agency: Pick up either Johnathan Vilma(herm connection), Karlos Dansby or Bart Scott from the Ravens, He can be our plug in the middle Linebacker, we resign DJ(although he’s very inconsistent to warrant any huge contract IMO) and have Williams as our Sam Linebacker with Competition from Pollard(I think he’d be a beat at Linebacker and better suited due to his inability to cover). Another option could be get Julius Peppers via free agency, he’d be amazing to have on our improving D-Line….but he’ll be wy,way,way too expensive, even though we have 32 million to be under cap, we can’t make huge,huge cap crushing gambles like that.
    Draft…I think we should/would go this way
    1. Orakpo(might be a reach, but face it guys’ we can’t trade out of a spot that high, and he’s a definate need).
    2. Duke Robinson/Alex Mack–>one or the other would be available, Alex Mack would get rid of an underperforming oft-injured Rudy and he’d be a great leader for the line. Duke Robinson is along the same lines, as he could help solidify the Right Guard spot for years to come. Another guy to look out for is Herman Johnson from LSU
    3. Nate Davis, ball state–> People quote him as the “next great mac QB” which has had mixed results. But apparently the guy lead ball state to the MAC championship and has all the intangibles and physical traits you look for.
    4. Daniel Holtzclaw, MLB eastern Michigan. Guy’s lead his team in tackles for four years(don’t know about that) but he could be a solid back up/eventual starter.
    5. BPA
    6. BPA
    7. BPA

  • December 24, 2008  - JohnNdallas says:

    You have em right Adam, Bradford plays for OU and Staford plays fo Ga. BUT OU runs a proset offense.

  • December 24, 2008  - JG says:

    I honestly think that we need to take the best player available in the draft. We aren’t going to be as good as people think that we are going to be next year. We are in more need of talent than depth. That was what this year was for was to find out who could start and who should be a backup. With the draft and FA we may only still improve by 3 or 4 games but I don’t see us getting above .500 unless we find some probowl type players in the draft that help out immediately and the guys that we bring in, in FA can fill the spots that we’re weak at.

  • December 24, 2008  - Adam says:

    OU plays the proset? I think I was closer to the centers’ behind than Bradford is. And I think we are closer than you think JG. Our secondary is solid, our Linebacking core definately needs work, but we can solidify that with a very solid MLB(Vilma), address our pass rush with Orakpo. Make Tamba move back to his initial spot. Have Dorsey plug up the hole and be a dominant force ala Haynesworth(outside the laziness, cheap shot brutality, etc). Our defense could be a top ten defense. Offensively we have a few holes to fill but we’re pretty set at WR. Our weakest part is RG and/or RT. I think Taylor or Richardson could fill that void at RT(giving competition for Sacintosh). Give Thiggy a year to see if he can run an offense outside the spread. Pundits really dog the teams that are 2+ wins, but realistically, the talent level is pretty similar across the board and I really think is that all we have in one more good draft and we could manage the playoffs(maybe not with next year schedule…yikes)

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