This Week’s Pro-Day Wrap

The Pro-Day Tour continued around the country as players eligible for the NFL Draft in six weeks get one more chance to perform for league executives, coaches and scouts.

Over the last few days, there have been some big-time programs holding their Pro-Day – Alabama, Penn State, Florida, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Michigan, Oregon, Arkansas and West Virginia. That’s a lot of potential draft choices, although the big names did not do a lot of the work, some because of injury.

Here is some of what we heard coming own the grapevine from all over the country.

Monday: University of Central Michigan – The rise to the top of the first round for Eric Fisher (left) continued with his position workout in front of 26 teams in Mt. Pleasant, Michigan. One scout called his performance “outstanding” and he’s a legitimate threat to be the Chiefs choice with pick #1-1.

“I’m on a mission to get as high as possible, so we’ll see what happens in April,” said Fisher, who was especially impressive in the offensive line drills where he continued to show his smooth ability to adjust to pass rushers and to slide both left and right.

On Monday, Fisher met privately with the Jacksonville offensive line coach George Yarno and with Jack Bicknell, Jr., the Pittsburgh offensive line coach. It was Yarno and New York Giants scout Steve Devine that ran the offensive line drills.

“I thought they went very well,” Fisher said of the drills. “It was just a quick 15 or 20-minute workout and then I did a little more work meeting with some teams. It was a good day.”

Tuesday: Kansas State University – There were 15 NFL teams on campus in Manhattan to see the work of 25 players from K-State and smaller schools around the Midwest. The guy who left everyone impressed was LB Arthur Brown and the teams were happy to see him taking part in all drills; he was hampered somewhat at the NFL Combine because he was still recovering from a shoulder injury.

There were no problems for Brown on this day. At 236 pounds he ran the 40-yard dash anywhere from 4.58 to 4.68 seconds according to the various stop watches. He had 21 repetitions with 225 pounds on the bench press and a 32½ -inch vertical jump.

WR Chris Harper caught the attention of the NFL types as well. He weighed in at 234 pounds, but ran the 40-yard dash in 4.45 to 4.5 seconds. Those times were all better than what he was able to do at the Combine.

Getting his first chance for an audience since the East-West Shrine Game, QB Collin Klein worked out as well. He measured in at 6-5 ¼ and 222 pounds. Klein had a 31 ½ vertical jump and a 9-foot, 3-inch broad jump. He threw the ball in quarterback drills and scouts said he was inconsistent in his fundamentals, but consistent in results – sounds like his career at K-State.

Alabama DT Jesse Williams runs through the bags in an agility drill.

Wednesday: University of Alabama – They have so many potential pros in the Crimson Tide locker room that they don’t have one Pro Day, or even two, but three. This one drew reps from all 32 teams, including GMs and a lot of defensive coaches.

Possibly the best defensive player in the 2013 class is CB Dee Milliner, but he watched the work with his right arm in a sling – he had shoulder surgery after participating in the Combine. Teams will have to rely on what he did in Indianapolis. That won’t hurt Milliner because he was one of the Combine’s top performers.

One player the scouts were talking about at length afterwards was DT Jesse Williams. He measured in at 6-3 ½, 325 pounds but ran the 40-yard dash in 4.92 and 4.94 seconds. The native of Australia showed good explosion and movement.

RB Eddie Lacy and G Barrett Jones both did not participate as they rehab from injuries. Jones suffered a Lisfranc injury and he still has the foot in a walking boot. He did however, put up 27 reps on the bench press.

Thursday: University of Oregon – No team had as many people in Eugene for Pro Day than the Chiefs, with Andy Reid, John Dorsey, Bob Sutton and the rest of the defensive coaching staff in place.

There were several defenders they may have wanted to see or speak with, topped by DE/OLB Dion Jordan. After the NFL Combine he had surgery on his right shoulder and he was a spectator. Jordan is top 10 on every team’s draft board, top five with some. He is two weeks removed from surgery to repair a torn labrum.

“It’s still surreal,” Jordan told reporters at the workout. “I still haven’t been picked yet, so nothing good has happened yet. But what I’ve been hearing is good. All I can control is taking care of my body, being healthy and being able to perform wherever I show up (for training camp).”

Also unable to work because of a knee injury was SS John Boyett. A defender that did work was LB Kiko Alonso, who measured at 6-3 ¼, 235 pounds, with a time of 4.74 seconds in the 40-yard dash. Scouts were impressed with Alonso’s ability to transfer his top shelf physical skills into the football drills.

Thursday: University of Michigan – Bad weather had the players working out indoors for 29 teams. The most interesting tidbit that came from the affair was Denard Robinson, the Wolverines quarterback, who has moved to wide receiver. In the Pro Day, he also did drills at running back as more and more teams consider him an offensive threat, but aren’t sure just where the best place would be for him.

“He looked very natural as a running back, maybe better than he did as a receiver,” said a scout from an AFC team. “A creative offensive coach, somebody like Andy (Reid) could really find many different things for a guy like Robinson to do in the offense.”

Thursday: West Virginia University – They were all there to see WVU quarterback Geno Smith (above) and he did not disappoint. Considered the No. 1 QB candidate in this draft class, Smith completed 60 of 64 passes in a workout designed by former Heisman Trophy winner Chris Weinke, who has been training the quarterback in Florida.

One of the key things Weinke put into the workout for 29 NFL teams – including the Chiefs – was Smith working on throwing the ball while taking the snap while under center; at WVU he spent most of his time in the shotgun.

“It was a lot easier than the combine,” Smith told a big media turnout. “Being back in Morgantown, which is my comfortable environment and feeling good. At the combine we were limited to about 10-to-15 throws. To get 60-to-70 throws in here, I think it helped me out a lot.”

Two scouts that were at the workout had similar reports: Smith threw the ball with good accuracy and power, especially on those hard to throw sideline throws across the field to about 20 years. “His drop, his footwork, his mechanics were all improved from what you see on tape,” one NFC scout said.

55 Responses to “This Week’s Pro-Day Wrap”

  • March 16, 2013  - ED J says:

    Keep saying Chiefs do not need to be 2008 Dolphins draft Geno Smith #1 overall. There is a reason Alex Smith isn’t starting for 49ers its because Harbaugh knew he could’t get to Super Bowl with Alex so he needed Qb with more upside that could do more. You can win few game with Alex Smith but he isn’t going take you where you want to go long term. Tired of Grabac Cassel Bono, Alex Smith at some point this organization needs to be aggressive in investing in a playmaker at QB. With QB guru as head coach and #1 overall pick couldn’t think of a better time to do so.

  • March 16, 2013  - el cid says:

    Might consider waiting one year. There are at least 2 QBs better than Geno. I agree the Chiefs need to draft and develope their own QB but next year.

    Trash can the above if Reid wants Geno, I am more confident in his decisions over ours. But I feel this this management team will get a guy who will play over 10 years with their first pick, just do not know who it might be.

  • March 16, 2013  - Bryon Day says:

    One or two of the QBs in this year’s draft might become the next Russell Wilson. Maybe. Luck and RG III were almost sure things. There is nobody like that in this draft. Hence, the Chiefs went out and made sure they got the unquestioned best available QB out there, Alex Smith. And he ain’t bad. Over the last two years, his numbers rank among the best in the NFL. Plus, he is by all accounts a high character guy who is a leader. He’s been through the learning curve. He’ll be in an offense suited to his skills, with weapons, and with a solid O-line. When I think of Smith, I think of Drew Brees who overcame a shaky start to his career, but then put things together to be a legit franchise QB. Smith isn’t there yet, but this is possible with possibly 6-8 productive years left. Or, I’ve also thought of him as comparable to Trent Green. Green was not as accomplished as Drew Brees, but he wasn’t that different during his Chiefs years. Same makeup: smart, accurate, average arm, excelled in the short-to-medium passing game, put up big numbers, made multiple Pro Bowls. I think Smith could do that in Andy Reid’s offense, just like Green did in Dick Vermeil’s. And how many of you out there would take another Trent Green? I would. Our defense right now is far superior to our defense during the Vermeil years. If our offense could remotely approach what we had then, we could advance far into the playoffs and perhaps to the SB. I would remind ED J that Alex Smith basically led the 49ers to the Super Bowl two years ago… save for a punt returner who didn’t field a punt. Finally, nobody has been more critical of the Chiefs than me over this past year. The incompetent Pioli is gone. We will likely never know whether it was his doing or Hunt’s that they underspent the cap by $25-$35 per year for three years in a row. I had thought this was Hunt, but am now inclined to believe it was Pioli. The Chiefs are now aggressively trying to field a competitive team. This has been abundantly clear in free agency. It coincides with Dorsey’s and Reid’s leadership. They were willing perhaps to overpay for Smith and a few others, but that’s the reality of life for a winning team in the NFL. Sometimes the other team (49ers) or the player (Bowe) has the leverage. If Pioli were in charge, we wouldn’t have Smith, Bowe, or Colquitt. I’m willing to give Hunt the benefit of the doubt. He got rid of the worst excuse for an NFL GM, and a quality DC (Crennel) who evidently is not HC material. He hired the best HC available (Reid), and a widely respected, solid personnel man in Dorsey. Looks good to me so far.

  • March 16, 2013  - R W says:

    In no particular order, he says, emptying the personal comment bucket, what a difference a front office makes! Day and night between Reid/Dorsey and the last bunch. Well done and keep the intensity meter in the red.

    I’ve heard all the modern medicine miracles with the magic of Dr Andrews and all but I’m still wary of a guy like Dion Jordan coming off surgery. Make that ANY guy coming off the table and knife.

    I can’t go with Geno Smith. That last college game against Syracuse keeps coming back when Geno looked pathetic. Everyone is entitled to a bad game here and there but that was beyond terrible. No thanks.

    Is Eric Fisher better than Joeckel and ‘the guy’? He seems to be gaining favor but I wonder if Joeckel playing against far better competition in the SEC might give him the edge? Right now, it might be Buffalo wanting to move up 1-1 to get their QB? Moving down to 1-8 and getting back a 2d round pick in the process opens all kinds of nice options. Still several weeks away from the draft and the drama….CONTINUES.

  • March 16, 2013  - ED J says:

    El cid please name the 2 QBs better than Geno?? Would love to hear it.. Byron no offense there isn’t any way in hell Alex Smith is Drew Breeze or Trent Green that’s insult to both guys. Both of those Qbs you named had pass offenses that ranked at the top of the league where Alex Smith like Cassel led pass offenses that rank near the bottom of the league.

    And he didn’t lead 49ers to any Super Bowl they lost NFC championship game so you can’t say he led them to a SB when he didn’t get to a Super Bowl that makes no sense. Secondly their top 5 defense & top run game led the 49ers. Alex Smith just did a good job not turning the ball over. Only thing Alex Smith compares to top QBs in the league is his completion percentage his tds & yards etc all ranked at the bottom. Bottom line Alex Smith is 2010 Cassel or Trent Dilfer. He isn’t a guy that is going when games with his arm. Doesn’t has the arm talent to do that. He’s nothing more than care taker. Which you can win few games with but isn’t a QB that is going to carry a team.

    I know some of you drinking Kool Aid but don’t get all crazy for Alex Smith he isn’t a franchise QB just another serviceable starter. There is a reason he got benched like 6 or 7 times in his career for guys like Jt O’Sullivan, Sean Hill, Trent Dilfer, Troy Smith, etc. Now Kapernick who got Smith permanently benched and then traded. Its because he’s very limited Qb.

  • March 16, 2013  - ED J says:

    RW 1st off the game you mention about Geno was played in a freaking icey field with a ton of snow neither QB could throw in that weather. Might i add he still had a solid game where he threw 2tds no picks. You bring up 1 game and say you wouldn’t take him makes no sense here are 12 games which said 42 tds 6INt 72% Comp. Bottom line Bowl game you mention if WV had a run game they would have won that game. Games like where surface is slippery & WR are can’t come out of there breaks on time you need run game to win that is why Syracuse won the game. The had over 200 yards rushing. A game Nassib struggled in as well. If you litsen to the announcers both mention it wasn’t a game for either QB to showcase their talents due to bad field conditions.

  • March 16, 2013  - ED J says:

    I remember being on here last yr saying Chiefs need give up 2 1st rd picks and Dwayne Bowe for RG3 and same crew of guys bashed me for it well how do I look now. So once again I’m banging the table for another future franchise QB hopefully Chiefs brass litsen this time.

  • March 16, 2013  - ED J says:

    But with how some of you are buying into Alex Smith before he has played a down in KC much like you did Cassel 4yrs ago I see why Peterson lasted 19yrs without ever trying to develop a franchise Qb. Some fans get caught up in the hot backup on the free agent market and thinks he’s the next savior when reality is there is a reason the guy is available mostly because he isn’t that good. Chiefs need invest in the future not just today. Its nice have Alex Smith as stop gap nothing more rather see Chiefs get Geno. At least now with Alex that gives you a yr to develop him much like in the way Harbaugh did Kapernick.

  • March 16, 2013  - R W says:

    Ed, I’ve never been high on Nassib either. As to playing conditions, last time I checked, there are playoff caliber AFC teams that play outdoors in dreadful conditions in late December/early January.

  • March 16, 2013  - ED J says:

    Yea there are and when the wind is high field conditions are terrible those teams win with a strong run game. That’s why teams like Steelers, Ravens, etc stress having a strong run game so in December when weather gets bad they still have ability to pull out games when they can’t air the ball out.

  • March 16, 2013  - j.t. collins says:

    Geno might be a great QB …it won’t be this year.I think it’s funny that w/Cassel, all he needed to be was a game Mgr w/fans.Now Smith that has taken his team to the playoffs,somehow …sucks.We have the best QB, that has paid for his learning curve & is on the upside. Dorsey/Reid know what their getting…not a turnover machine…smart like Manning…can win now…The investment was cheap if it works…I wouldn’t rework his contract like Pioli did…earn it 1st.I haven’t felt this good about our Chiefs, since I was at the Colts payoff game a Arrowhead.

  • March 16, 2013  - j.t. collins says:

    Also Chiefs fans want to draft w/the number 1 a QB…well guess what. Dorsey/Reid did just that in Alex Smith .

  • March 16, 2013  - ED J says:

    Its amazing how fans say he led 49ers to playoffs he didn’t lead 49ers to playoffs their top 5 run game & top 5 defense did. Alex Smith is a failed #1 overall pick collins. If he wasn’t he still be playing for the team that drafted him. All I’m saying stop drinking the kool-aid he is a serviceable starter nothing more. Chiefs still better served to draft and develop Geno a guy that can carry a team with his arm which is something all teams that win Super Bowls have and also the reason why 49ers switched from Alex Smith to Kapernick to begin with.

    If he was all that he still have his starting position in SF and wouldn’t have lost it over a won game wonder at time Kapernick. Harbaugh knew if he wanted to get over the hump he had to get Qb that could do more than just not turn the ball over which should be job of any QB. Which is why he never started Alex Smith again despite him having a decent season.

    Should fans be excited sure but don’t go all in with this regime until they bring in a QB that has skill set to be great. So far they haven’t done that. At some point you should want more than 7-9 8-8 9-7 season then lose in 1st rd.

  • March 16, 2013  - ED J says:

    Alex Smith comes with same limitations as Cassel. If team gets a 2 score lead on Chiefs he doesn’t have arm talent to bring them back against a good defense. We are going have to still win games with a dominant run game a very good defense he just needs take care of the football. YOu can win games that way you just won’t go far in playoffs that way. So in saying that i’m ready for new regime not follow down same path as previous regimes Pioli & Peterson going all in with retreads take a chance & develop and draft a Qb with more upside.

    That’s the purpose of bringing in a Andy Reid to draft & develop a young franchise potential Qb. Not run a offense that will have to babysit a starter incapable of making big plays with his arm.

  • March 16, 2013  - el cid says:

    ED, best is Boyd = Clemson, then Murray – GA, McCarron – ALA may progress. After those three, potential guys are Carr – SJS, Thomas – V Tech, and Shaw – SC.

    My point is if you are a Geno guy, a cannot miss kid. I am fine with that but there is no concensus that he is that guy. Might even be the best in this draft but unless Reid says he is, then he is not.

    PS Boyd is better as a Jr than Geno is as a Sr. Can you tell I like his ability a lot??

  • March 16, 2013  - txchief says:

    I’m glad that others also see the fallacy of Alex Smith being a franchise QB. He’s a definite improvement over what the Chiefs had at since Trent Green left town, but that’s not saying much. I envision Alex being a stopgap for a year or two until a more promising player is ready to go. As others have pointed out, he’s been erratic and inconsistent in the past. He also has a substantial injury history and his age puts him on the downslope of his career.

    The problem with “waiting for next year” is that the opportunity to draft the player that the team is anticipating may not be available for a variety of reasons. While we’re all drinking the Kool-Aid, lets assume the Chiefs go 10-6 or even a miraculous 11-5 in 2013. KC will them be drafting in the latter portion of the first round. Then, all the top QB prospects are gone, or the team is looking at a very, very expensive trade to move up to select a top prospect. That messiah QB we’re all drooling over this fall could also suffer a career-ending injury in his final college game.

    Every single player out there has some bad tape. So what? The Pinstripe Bowl is a silly concept played on a baseball field, and the conditions in the 2012 game were horrendous. Neither Geno Smith nor Ryan Nassib looked good that day. The Chiefs have passed time and time again on talented QBs in the first round. Heck, it’s been thirty years since they even tried!

    Clark Hunt and his new people should know, or must quickly learn, that championship QBs are usually drafted near or at the top of the first round. KC’s strategy of relying on other teams’ castoffs at QB has failed over and over and is the very definition of insanity. Counting on a later round QB like Tom Brady or Russell Wilson to come along isn’t even insane, it’s simply idiotic. Persons who think that way are ignorant of statistics and are usually the same ones who lose all their money at the casino or spend it all on lottery tickets.

    The time to draft a franchise quarterback is when you have the opportunity. The boys at One Arrowhead drive have that opportunity on April 25, 2013, shortly after 8:00 PM in New York. Don’t squander the chance.

  • March 16, 2013  - el cid says:

    Could not disagree more. When i said “wait til next year” I am talking about 365 days not two years from now. There are some good kids next year – 2014. We went thru the wait until next year with Pioli which talked about 5 years to put a team together.

    Second, only Geno fans seem to feel he is the franchise QB. Maybe he is or not, it will be interesting to see if Reid thinks he is the Chiefs franchise QB.

  • March 16, 2013  - ED J says:

    Taja Boyd really el cid same guy Geno mop the floor with in orange bowl where he threw 6tds on 2yrs ago. But Taja Boyd is better give me a break

  • March 16, 2013  - ED J says:

    I love this theory of putting off things for today in hopes of what u can do tommorow. When have that crap ever worked. I can say that every yr Chiefs can wait till next yr. You know where that has gotten us. Well Passing over Flacco twice in the draft. Not trading up for Matt Ryan. Passing over Aaron Rodgers who may turn out to be best Qb of my generation. Also could have trade up got RG3 last yr & could have got Tannenhill too. With fans like this its no wonder you keep getting sucked in on stop gap Qbs.

    You don’t see championship organizations like Steelers Giants & Packers trade for stop gap Qbs. They invest in 1st rd talent Qbs & develop them. Teams that invest in backups like Chiefs & Bills are losing franchises that continue to spiral in mediocrity. I’m just ready for Chiefs function like a real NFL franchise

  • March 16, 2013  - ED J says:

    Oh what planet have you been on el cid. Jags were at his pro day owner & even owner son. Bills Cards etc all are being chosen in mock drafts to get him
    So it seems they understand value of developing Qb since both teams cut ties with Fitzpatrick & Kolb more stop gap guys who were overpaid off flash in the pants seasons. So he want make it out top 10 if he worthy go top 10 he worthy go #1 overall. I remember making this same argument for Matt Ryan when so called experts didn’t say he was worthy of #1 overall pick. Dolphins fans drunk Parcells kool aid bought in that he was right much like Chiefs fans doing with Reid and look where that got the Dolphins back in 2008. Its time Chiefs organization wake up realize what this league is about & it ain’t going all in w/limited Qb

  • March 16, 2013  - j.t. collins says:

    To all that think Geno is the answer…give me a break.We sure as heck don’t know if any of these QBs in this draft well make it in the NFL.You know the saying 1 bird in hand beats 2 in the bush.I’am sure SF thought, they had the n1/QB in Smith in 05… can’t miss is bull/s.The only way to be sure is after NFL gametime experience . So don’t tell me… a fan since most of you… wasn’t even born .Experience over youth well beat you everytime.

  • March 16, 2013  - j.t. collins says:

    Who won the SB… the team that had a seasoned QB…over youth. How about the DF… long in the tooth Ravens.

  • March 16, 2013  - brainsmasher66 says:

    Do not be surprised if the Chiefs draft Geno Smith and trade him (or keep him). Geno Smith reminds me of Jeff George and Drew Bledsoe–the talent jumps off the charts, you don’t know what is between the ear, but the talent is unmistakeable.

  • March 16, 2013  - txchief says:

    Maybe Geno Smith will be a franchise QB in KC or somewhere else, maybe he won’t. There are no guarantees in the draft beyond the guaranteed money the players will receive. I have no unholy allegiance to Geno or any other QB in the draft. I just recognize that he is the best prospect available at the moment that the Chiefs have the opportunity to select a player who could elevate the franchise to championship level.

  • March 16, 2013  - j.t. collins says:

    You QB lovers are basing your projection …on what if.Give me the know… over the unknown.I like playing the stockmarket but the slow proven stock has made me more…than IPOs.

  • March 16, 2013  - txchief says:

    I suppose what you gauge as success. A team can’t win championships (my gauge for success) with lousy to mediocre QB play. If you think being a perennial .500 team is successful, you love the idea of the Chiefs always selecting linesmen with their top picks.

  • March 16, 2013  - txchief says:

    j.t., it’s known that Alex Smith is a mediocre QB. His career stats unequivocally prove this fact. The Chiefs will be better with him, but they will not be a favorite to win the division or a championship with him.

  • March 16, 2013  - johnfromfairfax says:

    I’m hoping for the best with Alex Smith but have reservations. My greatest concern is his history of injuries. My guess is that’s why we’ve been loading up on linemen so far and may draft a franchise tackle instead of a franchise QB. I’d still like to see us get Geno and see him turn into an outstanding QB. I said I’ve watched him play in person his whole career. You can’t judge him or any QB by one game you saw on TV or at the stadium. I’m not a scout but have played and followed the game my whole life and believe he has a shot to be the real deal. But who knows. Reid and Dorsey know what they are doing and I’ll give them my support until they prove me wrong.

    On another note, let’s see. Tom Brady was a sixth round pick, Joe Montana a third round pick and Ben Rothlisberger was the 11th player selected in the first round. I don’t remember any of the experts calling for them to go 1-1 and I’m guessing Cid and others would have screamed to the high heavens if we had the first pick in any of those drafts and selected any of the three number one. I also doubt they would have much to say about it now if we had and they had the careers that they have. You just don’t know and anybody who claims they have the answers really doesn’t have a clue. We shall see but I wouldn’t fault them for taking a chance to land the next Len Dawson.

  • March 16, 2013  - Merwin in NY says:

    Hmm, lets see here, the Steelers drafted a QB a long time ago. He didn’t live up to expectations so they traded him to the Browns. He didn’t do so well there either. Then Hank Stram took a chance on an old pupil of his. He only took the Chiefs to Super bowl I, to bad the defense wasn’t quite up to the challenge. Then again with a better defense Len Dawson helped us win in SB IV. So cast off QB’s can win Super bowls for the Chiefs!
    So as great as drafting a franchise QB would be this year, it’s still a crap shoot. I have seen way too many “sure fire”, “can’t miss”, top of the first round prospects flame out with other teams and the Chiefs.
    That being said, I understand the desire to draft and develop a top QB prospect. Something this franchise has never been able to do. I am willing to see what Reid and Dorsey have planned. They seem to have a plan in place and so far it is looking pretty good. I am will to wait and see what they do next and see if we can get back to the winning ways. Then see where it goes from there. Go Chiefs!

  • March 16, 2013  - tuan le says:

    haha. please stop bringing up Lenny the cool. that was fourty some damn years ago and time had passed ! yes len Dawson won us super IV but since when after Mr cool we win anything ?? so I don’t give a damn if they draft a LT 1-1 and he turn out to be all pro and first ballot HOF, what’s he going to win for you ? but ED J and Tex, we just listen to these guy and assuming there is alway next year right ? thay seem to be ok with 8-8 or 9-7 and barely make it to the wildcard to be get run over in the wildcard game, they’re already get used to it.

  • March 17, 2013  - milkman says:

    With the uncertainty of can’t miss quarterbacks in this year’s draft, the Chiefs had no choice but getting the best percieved veteran quarterback available this off season. They acted quickly, just like all things Hunt has done since the end of the 2012 season. They overpaid vastly because of it.

    Alex Smith hasn’t lived up to the hype of a first over all pick since he came into the league. But he’s been far from a bust at his position. The 49′rs have won the last few years with a very good team on both sides of the ball. It would have been interesting to see just how far they would have gotten had Smith re-claimed his starting position once he became healthy this past season. If they would have gone as far with him starting as they did with Kaepernick, there’s no doubt the Chiefs wouldn’t have even had the option of trading for him.

    The bottom line is that we just don’t know. The Chiefs made a judgement decision and traded for what they think is the best chance to start a winning tradition again in Kansas City. Something that hasn’t been here for quite some time. They haven’t done anything yet that should lead us to believe they won’t pull the trigger on a true franchise quarterback in this year’s draft should they get the chance. If there is anything they’ve proven so far, it’s that they aren’t afraid to make bold moves if they think they’re the right ones. And if they don’t pick a quarterback early, that just means their evaluation of this year’s crop didn’t warrant it. Whether they’re proven right or wrong over the next few years, I’ll be okay with it because I’ll know it wasn’t because they lacked the balls. It’ll be because that player exceeded everybody’s expectations.

  • March 17, 2013  - txchief says:

    The “wait ’til next year” philosophy should be postponed until next year.

    Grab the best QB prospect now and wait for another left tackle.

  • March 17, 2013  - Merwin in NY says:

    Interesting interview of the Colts owner a few weeks ago, in which he rated the left tackle was just as important as the QB position. As he put it what good is a QB of Payton Manning’s status if you don’t have a great left tackle and your QB is flat on his back injured, or has gotten _a case of very happy feet. We have Albert, but how good is his back and is he the best we can get at that position?

  • March 17, 2013  - tuan le says:

    I understand that good offensive football team start with good offensive line but myself and many other chiefs fans getting so tier of retreat QB and the team keep putting off drafting and deveploping our own . yes he ( the colts owner ) can run his mouth all he want but before manning how many Super Bowl did they win ?? and now they got luckie to have Andrew luck. and that tell the whole story.

  • March 17, 2013  - ED J says:

    Merwin if thats the case name Colts left tackle when Manning was the QB??? Yea you can’t Colts never had elite left tackle. Always just had a good one. Nothing is more important than QB. Name Patriots elite left tackle?? Yea they don’t have one either. As long as left tackle isn’t on level with Barry Richardson you can get by with average at left tackle position with a good Qb.

  • March 17, 2013  - ED J says:

    Its shame some of you Chiefs fans yet you ignore past history we had a Hall of Fame left tackle. How many playoff victories did we have with that great left tackle???????? 0 Having a elite Left tackle is overrated. You need someone that just isn’t a disaster as long as you got a good QB its been proving time & time again you can win with average play at left tac. How many victories did Joe Thomas bring Browns??? How many winning seasons & playoff victories has Jake Long brought to Dolphins?? See my point

  • March 17, 2013  - txchief says:

    You know, loading up on offensive linesmen without a top tier QB is like stocking up on ammunition when you don’t own a gun. It’s pointless.

  • March 17, 2013  - ED J says:

    And to all the guys on here saying give me known over the unknown. So you rather have another middle of road QB that when he flames out you will be upset Chiefs passed another good young Qb who could have been throwing Tds for Chiefs.

    Here’s the known. Its a hell of alot more young QBs that are good coming out of college than ones you can get in free agency or via trade. I’m sure most of you who have this blind loyalty to backup Qbs are guys over 40 who still living in the past of how NFL was back in 70s, 80s, and 90s. In this new era of football best QBs are the ones coming out of college.

    QBs drafted in the 1st round are the ones that succeed majority of the time for the team they play for.

    Here is a stat to chew on 1.1 % of Qbs taken after pick 40 are starting for the team that drafted them vs 45% of Qbs starting taken in top 40.

    What does that tell you taking Qb in the later rounds means he either bust or about time he gets good he is on someone else team. Seeing Chiefs don’t have 2nd rd pick in a weak Qb class anyways. Make sense that since they have an already failed #1 overall pick as starter right now they use #1 overall pick to invest in a upgrade at the most important position on the football team.

  • March 17, 2013  - ED J says:

    Amen txchief

  • March 17, 2013  - ED J says:

    And some of you stop using these analogies back when Hank Stram was coaching its totally different game now than it was back then. Get with the times. If you going use points lets at least be points made in this era.

    NFL has changed 360 degrees from the way the game was played and even called. You guys bringing up stuff to validate your point back when the league ran the ball 65% of the time more than they threw it. Which no that number has flipped. To talk about what NFL 40yrs ago is absolutely ridiculous. Things went on back then that are fines & suspensions in today’s game.

    Lets keep analogies in the last 5-7yrs not something that happen 40yrs ago ok. Its not the same game not even close

  • March 17, 2013  - tuan le says:

    Amen Ed J . I’m over forty years old too but I do keep up with time. This is a pass happy league now and all these guy on here keep bring up some thing that happen forty some damn years ago it make me sick.

  • March 17, 2013  - txchief says:

    Clark should know this: You’ll never take the prettiest girl to the prom unless you ask her.

  • March 17, 2013  - St Paul 1 says:

    If Reid and Dorsey think Geno is worth a number 1, I won’t argue with them. If they don’t think he’s that great, I also won’t argue. The difference between not trading up to get RGIII and not drafting Geno is that last year EVERYONE thought RGIII was something special. This year, SOME PEOPLE think the same of Geno. Those some people might be right, and if Dorsey is in that group, I’ll be fairly comfortable he’s right. But otherwise I’ve had enough of the Chiefs stretching for a pick. They stretched for Baldwin, they stretched for Tyson Jackson – unless Dorsey and Reid are pretty sure about someone else, I’d like them to take a consensus number one pick.

  • March 17, 2013  - txchief says:

    Your Holiness, it’s been a long time since KC stretched for a QB. Delayed gratification has a purpose, but it’s starting to get ridiculous!

  • March 18, 2013  - milkman says:

    We can only hope that the people in charge know what they’re doing at this point. Over the last 20 years or so several franchise quarterbacks have been drafted in the first round for sure. But there have been plenty busts drafted in the first round also. If Reid and Dorsey think there is a man with the ability to become that franchise type quarterback, then I hope they draft him, even if it means using the 1-1 to get him. Here’s just a few of the mistakes over the last few years like what we need to avoid:

    Akili Smith, Heath Shuler, Cade McNown, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Leinart, Brady Quinn, Kyle Boller, Jeff George, J.P. Losman, Vince Young, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Kelly Stouffer, Tim Couch, Dan McGwire, David Klingler, Andre Ware, Rick Mirer, and last but never least, Ryan Leaf.

    If Reid and Dorsey think one of these quarterbacks available this year can become the next Flacco, Roethlisberger, Luck, R.G.111, Rodgers, or any other quarterback who’s been drafted in the first and became their teams true franchise player, then by all means draft him.

    The position of quarterback remains the hardest of all to evaluate from college to pro. The only hope we have is that Reid and Dorsey know more than most when it comes to that evaluation.

  • March 18, 2013  - tuan le says:

    good list of busted round 1 QB Milkman but I think my , ED J and Txchief point is at least those team are try to find thier franchise QB and we not even trying !!! Tyson Jackson was a dumb pick by pioli and I don’t have a problem with the Baldwin pick because of the position ! at this point we don’t know if he ( Baldwin ) is a bust or not and I hope with good coaching they can turn him into a productive player because good WR can win game for you and a great LT ? yea okay whatever .im not saying they going to draft a LT 1-1 but if they do then all I can do is sitting there laugh my ass of and say here we go again with all this linesman . how many of first round offensive and defensive linesman do you think we need ???? Is time to try some thing else. next year my ass,I heard that some twenty years ago.

  • March 18, 2013  - tuan le says:

    and many name on Milkman list also was rated as sure fired, cant miss franchise QB by those idiots so call expert . so the point is you never know until you try !!!!!

  • March 18, 2013  - Johnfromwichita says:

    tuan and you guys all make a point. QB’s are important. So are WRs and running backs. Play makers score points.

    But the line, both sides, win games.

    tuan, if they go first pick for a OL, you can laugh your ass off all you want. I’m pumping my fist. And if the kid can play center, I’m leaping off the couch.

    You be right; you never know.

  • March 18, 2013  - tuan le says:

    it’s all good Jonh but in the last 10/15 years many chiefs team had good/great Olines, please tell me how many play off game did we win ???? The ravens won Super last year because of there QB making plays ,it’s not their D or anything else.

  • March 18, 2013  - Johnfromwichita says:

    Yes. But. The QB and RB make plays because of the O line.

    Remember the playoff game against Indy and we scored more than 30? And lost.

    Give me a D line and an O line and if we lose, damn it, it’s my fault. I’ll be very sorry and I won’t do it again.

    Just make sure we have a very good center.

  • March 18, 2013  - ED J says:

    Johnfromwichita we won games because Trent Green was a franchise QB. His number were 2nd to Peyton Manning in his time here in KC problem was he wasnt a draft pick so like Montana his time here was short. If your theory was true Alex Smith would still be a 49ers. He had best oline & defense in the league and still wasnt a good enough Qb to lead them to a Super Bowl. Which is why Harbaugh stuck with Kap and got rid of him when his value was at his highest like Bellichick did Cassel.

    So please spare me the 1970s mentality of football. Qb 1st then everything else. Its not about right 53 like Pioli use to say when he was here its about getting a franchise Qb and then surrounding him with the right 53. So far to date Chiefs still don’t have that.

  • March 18, 2013  - tuan le says:

    good O line and D line help you win game here and there but franchise QB win you super bowl so do the math. if you don’t believe me you can look it up.

  • March 18, 2013  - tuan le says:

    a lot of fans say we don’t have good O line last year but Jamaal Charles still ran for over 1500 yards came back from the ACL tear. why , you may ask ? becuase he’s an elite/franchise player. trust me , elite/ franchise QB or RB wil make average O line look good.

  • March 18, 2013  - txchief says:

    The Chiefs need a young leader at QB who can elevate and guide the team for the next 12-15 years. Milkman is right. There are busts at QB in the first round just like there are busts at LT in the first round. There will always be more talented tackles than prospective franchise QBs, just like there are far more great hitters than great pitchers in baseball.

    Geno Smith may not have the glamour of Andrew Luck or RG III, but he has tremendous talent and potential. He evidently has intelligence, a great work ethic and has things together between the ear holes, unlike most of the failures that Milkman lists above.

    Much, if not most, of the frustration that fans such as myself have with the Chiefs organization is that the decades of “safe” moves have doomed the team to mediocrity, at best. Sometimes you just have to take the chance and “seal the deal.” Otherwise, you’ll be married to the fat hausfrau for the rest of your pitiful life.

    I would find it much easier to forgive the Chiefs franchise if they took a chance and failed on a prospective franchise QB rather than selecting another left tackle. The team will have the opportunity to draft another OT next year or the year after. It might be another lifetime before they have the chance to select the best prospect at the most important position on the field.

    Fortune favors the bold.


  • March 18, 2013  - tuan le says:

    I will feel okay if they can trade B Albert for a high second round and use that to pick up a QB to deveplope and use the 1-1 pick on a LT if they don’t think any of these QB class worthy a 1-1 . because they pay all that money to A smith and chase Daniel I just don’t see them drafting a QB 1-1.

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