The Man & The Myths
The Carl Peterson Era ended quietly last week with the flip of the calendar to 2009.
For the last 20 years, Peterson has been the biggest name on the Kansas City sports radar screen. He began as the new guy from the East Coast, brought in to lead the Chiefs out of the NFL cellar. He became a hero when he and Marty Schottenheimer turned around the floundering franchise. He eventually became a lightning rod for the media and fans as the Chiefs struggled to stay a contender.
Over two decades there were a lot of victories for the Chiefs, but Peterson would admit there were not enough. He was in the business of trying to win a championship and thus he leaves Arrowhead Stadium proud of a job well done, but ultimately disappointed in the fact the team never reached the ultimate goal.
As the major decision-maker for the franchise, Peterson made a lot of good ones. He also made bad ones. Responsibility for all of them landed on his plate. He always knew that and never ran from the fact.
As it is with anyone who has been in a visible position of power for 20 years there is fact and there is fiction surrounding Peterson and his time in charge of the Chiefs. There are those who will tell you he’s pompous, arrogant and fueled by an out of control ego. There are those that will tell you he’s one of the most caring and compassionate people they’ve ever met, who if he has a fault it’s his extreme loyalty. Imagine that: the worst trait of a man is that he’s loyal? We should all be so lucky as to have that fault.
Many of the myths that surround Peterson have been fueled by the Kansas City media, members of which admitted that they celebrated when his resignation was announced. They should be careful what they wish for because as Peterson rides off into the sunset, they have lost their No. 1 foil. That’s going to force them to work harder, something they hate to do.
They helped create and nurture these myths, with the truths buried under decades of misinformation and lies.
Here are the top five myths surrounding Peterson and his time with the Chiefs.
MYTH #1 – PETERSON’S EGO WAS SO BIG HE DEMANDED THAT HE HAVE ALL THE TITLES – PRESIDENT/GENERAL MANAGER/CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER – OR HE WOULDN’T TAKE THE JOB.
It’s true that Peterson wanted the titles. There was a reason, a very obvious reason and his name was Jack Steadman.
From the time that he helped engineer the firing of Hank Stram as head coach following the 1974 season, Steadman was the acknowledged leader of the organization. With Lamar Hunt living in Dallas and Stram out of the way, Steadman became the face of the franchise among the civic and business leaders of the city and among the rest of the NFL teams. First with the title of general manager and then president (1977), Steadman was the lightning rod of the 1970-80s. Coaches came and coaches were dispatched, but always there was Steadman.
When he fired GM Jim Schaaf during the 1988 season, Steadman announced he was going to step away from the football team. There were many in Kansas City and the league that did not believe that would happen. Steadman’s new title of Chairman of the Board still signaled that he was in control.
That’s why Peterson demanded the titles and the power when he was interviewing with Hunt near the end of 1988. He was counseled by many that his toughest job going into the franchise would be to wrestle full control away from a man who had been part of the operation since 1960 and also directed the Hunt family enterprises in Kansas City away from football.
Those warnings proved correct, as Steadman did not go quietly. There were turf battles over business operations, parking spots and a host of other things. With his titles and the power given him by Hunt, Peterson won those battles and Steadman was eventually dispatched to a downtown Kansas City office, away from the stadium, away from the team and away from having any control of the club.
Eventually, the city and the league learned and accepted that there very definitely was a new man in charge.
MYTH #2 – THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
After 20 years, this is the most repeated urban sports legend in Kansas City history. Supposedly, when he was hired Peterson said the team would win a championship in five years. It’s now accepted as fact, repeated by people who weren’t even in the city when Peterson was hired. It’s become the punch line for jokes and rants of all sorts of people.
Just one problem: Peterson never said he had a five-year plan. At his introductory press conference, he never said anything close to that. I was there. I have a tape. I’ve listened to the tape several times. I’ve played the tape backwards and at no time is there a mention of a five-year plan.
Research through the area newspaper reporting at the time also does not turn up a mention of a five-year plan. No one has ever produced tape of any kind mentioning a five-year plan.
It’s fiction that has become fact in the minds of many people, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that if you say something enough, people will believe it to be true.
MYTH #3 – PETERSON DEMANDED THAT HE MAKE EVERY DECISION IN THE FRANCHISE.
Probably tied to the titles and perception of power, there are those who believe that over 20 years, Peterson made every decision at Arrowhead. Understand this: Peterson took responsibility for every decision made by the franchise.
But that’s not how Peterson manages his people or his business. First of all, the biggest decisions over 20 years were done with discussion involving Lamar and Clark Hunt. Peterson always knew he had a boss. Many people mistakenly thought he considered himself the team owner, but that’s not how Peterson felt. The Hunts were part of every major decision. Sometimes, the Hunts made decisions that he did not agree with. But he implemented and supported them once they were made.
Peterson did not live or make decisions in a vacuum. When the Chiefs decided to trade Jared Allen a year ago, rather than try to sign him, the decision was not made by one man.  Not hardly. The decision on Allen involved everyone from Clark Hunt, to Herm Edwards, to Gunther Cunningham. In the end, it landed at the feet of Peterson and he’s never shirked that responsibility.
The Peterson management style has always been this: hire good people and allow them to do their job. That works when talented people are hired and Peterson’s track record in those areas was better than most. There are former Chiefs employees sprinkled through the NFL these days; most got their start with the Peterson-led Chiefs.
In the football operation, Peterson acquiesed to his head coach far more than he battled with him. He allowed his coach to appoint and keep his coaching staff; that was something he granted the coach. He could have kept that power, but having been a coach, Peterson knew how important it was to the team leader to have “his” men around him.
Peterson always worked under this philosophy: as general manager, his job was to give the head coach the tools necessary to win. If the coach thought something was necessary, 99 percent of the time he got it.
When a coach wanted a player, more often than not that player was signed or drafted. For anyone to think Peterson agreed with all those decisions is fantasy. Here’s just one example: after the 2001 season, Dick Vermeil’s defensive coordinator Greg Robinson made it known he didn’t want LB Donnie Edwards, who was going to be a free agent.
Had Peterson been the domineering ruler that he’s been painted, he would have done then what he wanted to do: sign Edwards and fire Robinson. Instead, Vermeil supported his coordinator, so Peterson supported his coach, even though he thought the decision was wrong. Edwards went on to five very productive seasons in San Diego and Robinson left two years later, the defense in a shambles.
The biggest part of being a leader is making decisions. Peterson made plenty of them over 20 years. Many were good decisions; some were bad. Although he took responsibility, he did not make all of them.
MYTH #4 – PETERSON DIDN’T CARE ABOUT WINNING. HE ONLY CARED ABOUT MAKING MONEY.
Peterson cared about winning and making money. That’s what comes with the multiple jobs that he held: football leader and business leader. If the Chiefs didn’t win, they would not make money. If they did not win and make money, he would not keep his jobs very long on either end.
The Chiefs had always made money, but when Peterson took over and turned around the team’s fortunes on the field - leading to more people in the stands - revenues and profits hit levels that had never before been seen by the franchise. Once a business sees those levels go up, it never wants to see them go down. They never did with the Chiefs, or at least they did not until the 2008 season.
Anybody who has ever seen Peterson in the moments after a tough loss would know how much winning means to him. He cared deeply about the outcome of games and seasons. Years ago, Marty Schottenheimer instituted what he called the “Midnight Rule.” It was simply this: enjoy or mourn the outcome of a game until midnight, and then move on. Peterson always violated that rule after a loss, sometimes carrying his unhappiness into Wednesday or Thursday.
First and foremost in Peterson’s soul, he’s a football coach. For a football coach, there’s nothing more important than winning and nothing more disappointing than losing.
MYTH #5 – PETERSON TRIED TO GET PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA WHO CRITICIZED HIM.
There’s no question that Peterson and the Kansas City media never developed much of a relationship. There are reasons for that.
The biggest came on December 23, 1990, when the Kansas City Star reported on page one of the Sunday newspaper that Peterson’s weekly radio show was held in a restaurant owned and operated by a man who admitted to betting on pro football games.
The basics of the story were true. The Carl Peterson Show was held that year at Costello’s Greenhouse Restaurant on Ward Parkway in south Kansas City and broadcast on KCFX-FM. The owner Vince Costello, a former NFL player and assistant coach, had been granted immunity in a Kansas City trial and he testified that he bet on NFL games.
The inference of the story was clear: Peterson was consorting with a known gambler and one that wagered on NFL games. There’s nothing in the world of sports that creates questions of credibility more than association with gambling.
Lost in the Star’s story was the fact that Peterson did not pick the restaurant to host the show. The radio station made that decision. Lost in the story was that Peterson’s relationship with Costello was a “Hi, how are you?” type deal; they were not friends or acquaintances in any way. If Peterson had known about Costello’s testimony, he would have moved the show immediately.
Peterson may have said those things, but the story appeared without any comment from him. The newspaper said he was unavailable. In fact, the night before the story appeared, the Star had three reporters staying in the same hotel as the Chiefs before a road game in San Diego. Peterson was available; the Star chose not to take the luster off its story. Saying Peterson was unavailable made the story seem more sinister than the reality of the facts he would have presented.
When the story appeared, Peterson was irate. He became livid when the Associated Press in Kansas City picked up the story and distributed it nationwide, again without comments from him. A Monday phone call from his mother in Long Beach about the story was the final straw.
It’s safe to say from that point on, Peterson did not trust the Kansas City Star in any fashion and that relationship was never repaired.
There’s something else that Peterson and his organization did that caused anger within the media: they called them on their mistakes and expressed their displeasure with the tone of stories. When misinformation appeared, they called the reporters and news operations. If they didn’t like a story, they made their displeasure known.
In the eyes of the media, this type of attitude was an attempt to censor, stifle and control. How dare they question our attitudes and comments? There were delusionary types who actually brought the First Amendment into the discussion.
In general the media has always had a problem - sports talk radio is the worst offender – in that they believe they are allowed to have an opinion about administrators, coaches and athletes, but those people are not allowed to have an opinion about the abilities, veracity and work ethic of those in the media.
Turns out that Peterson and the Chiefs were well ahead of the curve when it came to questioning the media. The public has followed and thus we have newspapers like the Kansas City Star bleeding money and slicing employees left and right. Thus, we have radio and televisions stations slashing payrolls and coverage. Thanks to the availability and diversity of the Internet, the public has learned their local outlets are frequently out of step, biased and mistake-prone. They’ve found other avenues of finding informed opinion, rather than columns and commentary based on personal agendas.
Had Peterson kissed more media behinds, would it have made a difference? Probably not, but then that would not have been Carl Peterson. From the day he took over until the day he left, there were certain things that did not change with him. Those foundations of the man were and remain unshaken.
Carl Peterson remained loyal to himself, and that’s no myth.
you gotta love Bob and his constant toungue- bathing of Carl Peterson…
Give me an articla that is not constantly defending Carl Peterson, for once…would ya?
Why did you waste your time, BOB? Everyone has an opinion about carl. Why does the chiefs organization have an undieing need to annoint carl for sainthood?
With a cold eye to this article, where was all this “good” PR while he had some time left on the job. For 20 years carl was god’s gift to the KC chiefs but you PR guys said nothing. Now he is gone you cannot say enough good things.
PS for what it is worth, your myth #5 does not agree with my version of myth #5, enough said about truths.
Any one who thought/thinks Lamar Hunt gave Peterson free rein of the Co. Check Book, is not living in the real world.
It’s not hard to see that Peterson wanted to win, but I can’t help but think the “Master Plan” was make the team as competitive as possible with out spending MEGA amounts of Money, maybe they’d get lucky and win a SB in the process of building the bottom line.
Imho Peterson doesn’t/shouldn’t tote the note on this one.
All the rest of that is just the local boy’s in the Media and Peterson havin a male member measuring contest. (I wish he could have gotten kietzman fired, I’m sure he has nothing to measure):)
As far as the way Peterson handled his final press conference; He could have at the least had a press release sent out to ALL sources of media, then give Bob the Exclusive live interview.
Peterson little stunt was a kick in the teeth to an awfully lot of people that appreciated what he accomplished in KC. Many of those people won’t ever hear Peterson’s interview with Bob.
I am a Peterson supporter (although I do agree it was time for a change) but this little stunt smacks of being Chicken $h!% imho. Peterson is coming out looking small and petty.
Thanks for the insight, Bob.
I was doing a slow, miserable burn last night watching Jared Allen get to Donovan McNabb on every pass play. Even though he’s a dunce, he’s a pro-bowl DE dunce. {sob}
Carl helped select the best draft choice made in my adulthood– DT. Still, the organization’s personnel moves in this decade have been questionable. Trading top draft picks for Coaches??? …some things went wrong.
Bob,
I usually love your thoughts and opinions, but I think it’s safe to say that Kansas City is done with Carl and ready to move on. I respect that you knew him well and probably want to defend him but let him go as the rest of us have. Just like in football you leave the past in the past, because there’s nothing you can do to change it and it doesn’t do anygood to dwell in it. Come on Bob let’s move on to 2009 and make it a great one!
“In general the media has always had a problem - sports talk radio is the worst offender – in that they believe they are allowed to have an opinion about administrators, coaches and athletes, but those people are not allowed to have an opinion about the abilities, veracity and work ethic of those in the media.”
Say what you will about Carl, but Bob’s quote here is dead on. I remember not to long ago Carl was conducting a radio interview with Soren Petro on 810AM and suggested, after seeing his ratings, that he should move himself into the prime time spot. Boy oh Boy when Keitzman got on later was he ever flying off the handle about that one. Keitzman could not believe that someone would dare question that someone could do his job better them him.
Bottom line is this: Carl needed to go because it was time for a change, BUT the things the media would drum up on Carl over the years was absurd. Bob is treated by many as a lackey just for merely stepping back and taking an objective assessment of the situation. Thanks for being the voice of reason in the KC media for these past 20 years.
Good Job Bob…
Critics are a dime a dozen and misery loves company. Pretty much sums up the “in crowd”.
God love Carl for his fortitude and insight. Not many REAL MEN could handle all the negative publicity, and subsequent public outcry that he endured. I am particularly discouraged how the media, “in their infinite wisdom” stopped printing the news and swiftly skewed the NEWS to personal, factless opinions and ideas. Total disregard for the real story, facts etc. They don’t even do their homework anymore. I find it incredulous that you need a college education to spread crap all over the front page news story or media driven headline news.
Newspapers are the worse. story after story, day after day spewing their personal opinions and beliefs as opposed to the news story itself. They want to mold the unsuspecting public into thinking their way. No wonder they are all going broke…
I could go on, but I won’t..
Thank you Mr. Peterson, it was a Great Ride….. God Speed.
I agree that it was time for Carl to go. Past time, actually.
But, I never quite understood the need for so many to “Satanize” the guy. I guess it’s easy to sit behind a keyboard or a radio microphone and be critical, though. It’s easy to have an opinion on how the job needs to be done, and the decisions that must be made…when you don’t have to actually MAKE those decisions.
“Be careful what you wish for” is right. A new GM will not guarantee success.
Thanks, Bob Gretz. Well done. It’s a lonely job at the top. One usually gets all the blame and none of the glory, not to mention attacks from the arrogant members of the media.
Bob,
Thanks for this fair assessment of Carl Peterson. Amid all the retrospectives on Carl, no one has mentioned that he is the one who ripped up the turf at Arrowhead and put in natural grass. Now that may not seem like a big deal to many people, but it was to me. For that, Carl, Thank You!
Carl has never had fair treatment from the KC media, and sort of like George Bush, he didn’t really care. But I think history, especially when the new Arrowhead appears, will show that there was much to appreciate in this man.
While I’m at it, thank you Bob for not stooping to Jason Whitlock’s level in your comments. We all know he has been very unfair to you and I believe you have handled his childish insults with a great deal of class.
Re Whitlock: he is a braying ass. He is the perfect embodiment of the narcissism, hubris, ignorance, and nastiness that characterize the modern sports media celebrity.
As Bob noted about the sports media in general, this is a guy who never has to answer for the things he gets wrong. If he did he’d be lucky to be writing obits for some rural county paper. All he has to do to keep his cushy job is stir the pot.
And it’s hilarious how Whitlock gets all pissy about Peterson not talking to the “legitimate” media, and in the very next sentence says it doesn’t matter what Peterson has to say. Those grapes tasting a little sour, Big Sexy?
Time check: 11:51 a.m CST Monday, January 5, 2009…and yup, Herm’s STILL The Man!
Well Hello IL, I agree twitlock is a total moron!
After having made my 1st post on this thread, I now hear that Peterson is going to give a short statement to the media, That imo is the right thing to do. That was the main point I was trying to make. I remember how bad it was Pryor to Peterson, (not sure it was ever as bad as it is now) He has earned my respect, I hope he leaves knowing that there are many that feel the same.
Carl Peterson came off as a condescending jerk when he opened his mouth and that’s nobodys fault but his own. And anybody with the slightest amount of intuition could smell the arrogance oozing off of Carl from a mile away. Bob Gretz is a guy that defended Paul Hackett and Elvis Grbac till the bitter end. so to summarize Carl is a Jerk and Bob is a yes man and both are well past their primes. Good Riddance Carl !!!
I usually agree with what you have to write, but today’s article turns my stomach.
Hi, JohnNdallas. I agree totally with what you said earlier about the “measuring” contest between Peterson and the media. I’ve got to say, though, that Peterson should have had better judgment than to let that happen. Someone in such a high-profile position has to keep their ego in check and figure out some way to get along with the local media.
Bob,
You can drop the pucker and quit kissing up to Carl Peterson. It’s okay. He’s gone and my only regret is that it didn’t happen about 10 years sooner.
You have an excellent site, filled with quality information on any number of issues and people involved in the sport but give the CP lovefest a rest?
Thanks.
I cant disagree Lloyd. Given the oppurtunity, I think Gretz would still be defending Herm and goonther.
The chiefs wanted to limit the info available about the team. This is how we find out that LJ has a broken foot from a packer reporter before we hear it from KC media…and all season long we hear from the chiefs that his foot is ’swole’ (hermism).
The most shameful aspect of the chiefs trying to ‘get the media’ has to be the Rufus Dawes “columns.”
Apparently it seems that those associated with the chiefs (Gretz included) have chosen to ‘go down fighting’ rather than embrace the innevitable and much needed change that will surely be coming to the orginization.
IL, Agree! as I said it makes Peterson look small and Petty, we expect that from guys like kietzman and twitlock but not a professional.
Any way, It’s good to see you slumin today. LOL.
What’s not an urban myth is that at the end of the day, Carl made more bad decisions than good decisions, and that Lamar stuck with Carl for 10 years too long. I would also argue that most of Carl’s success here came about because of the coaching abilities of Marty Schottenheimer. Once Carl decided to go with Gunther as Marty’s successor, that was the beginning of the end…
Thanks, JohnN. I’ve been reading (times are way too interesting not to), just not commenting. Seems I only comment when irked these days.
Bob
I guess the obvious question is: as Carl Peterson was ’so’ good at producing revenue for the Chiefs why wasn’t a better football man brought in afore now to handle that aspect?
Ego? I can only imagine what might have been for Kaycee if a man as talented in a football sense as Peterson was in revenue, had been Peterson’s equal or alter ego in leading the football side these last 20 years.
When does the desire for ‘winning football’ which I describe as Championship(s) displace attendance marks? Aft 20 years of Peterson some may say, yet dwindling attendance now is eerily reminiscent of Stram’s last days 1974 & Steadman’s last 1988, so that while both football and lost revenues may go hand in hand in the final analysis there’s really no difference tween the success Stram or failures Steadman and Peterson when the bottom line starts leaning in the wrong direction- it seems the only real culprit for change.
Hank Stram said Lamar Hunt panicked in 1974 when Hunt fired Stram. Loyalty? To what? Dollars, for KC hasn’t had a real football team in a complete sense since Stram’s salad days but dollars by all acounts seem to be in good stead.
Too harsh? Too simplistic? Show me how if so, and I’ve read/heard all the excuses.
Lamar Hunt’s loyalty? Perhaps - but if Lamar was loyal to Carl, why was he not also to Stram when Steadman was doing his backstabbing early 1970s?
Beyond this $ element, I’ve never understood how Hunt could fire a Stram after but a single one/1 losing season his final 11, but would stick with a football man (nee Mega-Man - CEO/President/GM) Peterson despite ‘decades’ of also ran football. Again, the most plausible answer which presents itself is the one involves former US Presidents heads displayed on paper. Loyalty & personalty are secondary, my opine.
The very fact Carl helped put a small (indeed a cow town according to many) place like KC at or near the top of NFL attendance yearly became in essence his achilles heel and strangest paradox when compared with the football team’s fortunes.
That he presided over an also ran at minimum for the last 10 years & some might say for the entire 20 years made his expertise turnstile even harder to accept or fathom.
It also didn’t help that many folk - including Rin - via personal perspective/perception felt Carl’s personality was too Eastern if you will, or maybe to the extent the public was exposed to him/it in general. Many folks didn’t like CP but many people didn’t like Stram either - right or wrong in both cases these 2 guys were percieved as being superior…Rin understands.
Egos be tolerable if winning’s the thing but it seems to me that both Stram & Peterson became a whole lot less loveable when winning exited - or never really existed at all in the truest sense said, the latter fellow.
Life’s tough in the NFL … so are KC fans after wandering lost in the wilderness with their team(s) these last 40 or so years.
Remarkably Rin that is perhaps one of the best posts I have read from you. I agree with almost all of it
Yes…Rin is expert in the usage verbiage, wit & devastating insight. He nee I am a keeper.
Continuing, just say NO to Pioli, NYET to Cowher, HELL NO to Schottenheimer, NO to Stoops, and, NO to McDaniels.
Consider carefully Eric DeCosta & Mark Dominik, definite GM maybes.
Mike Shanahan? Rin prefers Herm, but if he would leave Ratface gets the cheese. Sleeper: Rex Ryan, BALT Ravens.
Word.
Tht was Rex Ryan for new Defensive Coordinator… @!*^% blog gremlins.
Rin you irritate , but very nicely put.
Rin,
You must be going on no sleep what so ever and be punch drunk. Shockingly, I’d have to agree with you as well. DeCosta has my vote for GM, and as much as it turns my stomach, Rat-face might actually make a (gulp) HC here. They can definately identify QBs in the draft. Thats a plus for us!
It’s nice to know that there are still some people in the media who will write honorably. Thanks for the article, Bob.
who is Rufus Dawes ? is it Bob or Mitch Holthus
JohnNdallas says:
“the local boy’s in the Media and Peterson havin a male member measuring contest. (I wish he could have gotten kietzman fired, I’m sure he has nothing to measure)”
- well, ol’ stubby (kietzman) just ‘disappeared’ entirely. How ’small’ is kk?
Now he’s on the radio with his sidekick clinker?, essentially deriding the MIA Dolphins/their fans/ their future etc. by way of when/if Carl Peterson might go to work there.
Small and petty does not begin to describe this kk guy. As Bob Gretz said, this kk is probably chagrined he’l no longer have Carl to denigrate and with that loss so too his questionable show.
Terry says:
“Rin you irritate , but very nicely put.”
- like Reggie, Rin is the straw that stirs the drink…
RedandGoldRice says:
“Rin, You must be going on no sleep what so ever and be punch drunk. Shockingly, I’d have to agree with you as well. DeCosta has my vote for GM, and as much as it turns my stomach, Rat-face might actually make a (gulp) HC here.”
- the only thing is ‘if’ KC goes with a younger or younger GM the possibility exists the new GM will want a coach who is fuzzy-cheeked like him, whereas a Shanahan will be, what, 57 in 2009?
Just something to consider.
findthedr, in football teams normally dont tell the media exactly what is wrong with their star players. IMO, that would be a stupid move. For example how many times did Belicheck tell the truth about injuries and right now, Norv Turner hasn’t told anyone whats really wrong with LT…
Shanahan I hope never becomes a Chiefs HC, its bad enough not to like Denver but to bring him to coach the chiefs, people like sleeping with the enemy…
Good news for guys like jimbo. Carl will probably land on his feet, he will not go hungry just yet. He is a buddy of the new owner of MIAMI. They (fish haters) are already up in arms with the thought carl might be coming. They are even worried herm may come with him, now that’s funny.
agree arrowhead78 that teams dont always tell media exactly what is wrong with their players.
That being said, the chiefs left LJ on the 53 roster when they could have put him on IR and freed up space.
The exact same thing could be said about Donnie Edwards whome they only put on the IR for the last game of the season.
Its one thing to try to guard player status to keep the enemy from a competitive advantage, but it is entirely a diffrent thing to end up keeping players on the active roster who are unable to participate for extended periods and thus putting your team in a competitive disadvantage.
The equivalent would be if Belicheck told the media that Bradie’s knee was ’swole’ (hermism) and leave him on the 53 for the season.
Thanks for the update on “kk”, I no longer lend my ear to his babble, he comes on, me and my little PC turn to rock music!
So in the future, IF!!, he ever has any thing to say worth hearing I’ll be unaware,unless it is repeated here.
I would trade our C&H sugar(carl & herm) for the whole damn Can of Tuna(Parcell’s & Co.) for sure.
lol
There MAY HAVE BEEN some advantage with the salary cap by not placing guys on IR that late in the season, in Donnie’s case any way.
I’m not claiming that for sure, I remember this topic coming up before. I asked Bob in open forum, if he would explain how, exactly placing a player in Donnie’s situation on IR affected the Salary Cap. But that as often is, was a waste of time.
Much like the “five-year plan” most of what we all “know” about Carl is second hand from various media sources. I appreciate Bob’s perspective and wished more of this kind of information was disseminated to balance the crap on the radio and paper in the last twenty years.
A few days after Clark’s announcement regarding Carl, Drs. Kietzman and Clinkscale were conducting another one of their daily kickings of the dead horse. Finally, when they took a breath and the topic was changed, they pondered other high-level topics like the coaching carousel in college football, and opined that much of a coach’s reputation is formed by the media (i.e. Bobby Knight). They said that often the true character of a coach is only known by those close to them, such as players and peers.
Obviously, the irony was missed by these rocket scientists that they have spent a good amount of their careers forming others’ opinions of Carl Peterson. In fairness, I thought it was also a nice touch that they tried to book Jared Allen and the agent for John Tait to help balance their conclusions of the last decade.
Keep up the good work, Bob.
Sorry malito, beating a dead horse might also cover the four or more articles Bob has put on this site since carl announced his leaving.
Never fear carl will be live at approx. 2PM tomorrow. So this may be a case where the corpse keeps climbing out of the grave, where we keep hitting him with the shovel.
Outstanding Robert!!
Nobody understands what we go through. Defending Carl Delano Peterson at all costs is our job and we do it proudly.
Soon we shall join the King on the sunny Florida South Beach and say goodbye to these midwest hillbilly, camero driving, mulletheads forever.
ViVa La Carl!!!!!
JohnNdallas
Rin tunes into ’stubby’ aka kk for the guests he sometimes has, Mitch Holtus primarily during the regular season, and the other guy in the AM name of Petro as he offered Grunhard & Croyle.
Other than those few & sporadic others, that tin can and a shoestring operation is laughable. I’ve never heard of a “largest sports station” in the country as they refer to themselves that operates with such ridiculous techincal expertise … they give new meaning to the old broadcast adage “one moment please.”
They are the Detroit Lions of the airwaves…
question for bob , who you think is going be new gm for the chiefs ?
tm, I know Bob insist that this was a resignation as apposed to a termination, but i feel certain that Peterson was not ready to call it quits here!(more to the story than we know) Who could blame him? This team has slumped to an ALL Time low, Peterson is a proud man, he doesn’t/didn’t want it to end this way! Not under his watch.
It Was Time!
To borrow the words of Jack Nicholson in Batman…….
“This Team Needs An Enema!”.
Do not look for me to give them one. carl is very good a the business side but he suffers from over ego and if it fails (ie look at chiefs since Vermeil hit the road) carl does not fight to fix it it just leaves town.
That is if his minions will just shut up and let him go.
Scratch Team, They had theirs, (to the point of hemorrhage), Make that, Organization needs an Enema.
Good article Bob. Thanks for setting the facts straight.
Bob,
I agree with most articles you write, and although you have many truths to C.P., you left out many truths also, for instance: C.P. is the man who said he would give Jared Allen a fair deal, and then tried to swindle his agent with alcaholism, and lack of effort in he 4th quarter, leading to Jared getting angry and refusing to try to reach an agreement. Many players in the NFL did not want to come to the Chiefs, BECAUSE of C.P., and that fact cannot be looked over.
People forget how he turned around this franchise..His first ten years we’re about as good as you can do without winning the big game..His last ten we’re mediocre really.These last two have been horrible but my personal feeling is that Carl’s worst move was hiring hermie..Carl I got respect for ya..Thanks for making arrowhead the most fun place to watch a game..
Once we let Herm go, things will get back to normal
How long before Gretz follows his benefactor to Miami? I mean seriously, there is no room in KC for this drivel anymore.
“There are those that will tell you he’s one of the most caring and compassionate people they’ve ever met, who if he has a fault it’s his extreme loyalty. Imagine that: the worst trait of a man is that he’s loyal? We should all be so lucky as to have that fault.”
- Wow. Now that’s a first-rate ass-kissing. Well done Gretz, well done. Quick question: Does Carl like it when you write this stuff or is he a little creeped out? Seems like we’ve got a “Single White Female” situation here.
Hi this is bob’s mouth and i am tired of being tied to the tip of carl’s manhood, could somebody please help me?
I Have to say, the Carl haters will have to find a new whipping boy. They speak as though they know Carl. They don’t, and never did. Take the time and read Gretz’s article again. Apply your brain, and then you might see the truth. Carl let his coaches make decisions on players, and assisistants. He took input from all his staff on drafts, and players. He also took the responsibility. I will bet most the whiners that complain about Carl, never took resonsibility for anything in their life. Maybe it was time for Carl to move on, but understand this, he wanted to win, he did have some good teams, and 2003 was not so long ago. It is not his fault that we did not win. There are way too many of you so called fans that buy into anything the media says, like the 5 year plan. Guees who came up with that one. Fatlock. No truth to it. Go ahead , try to find actual proof, not Whitless, or Kietzman. Carl saved football in KC. Let’s hope the new GM can keep it here.
To Hatt and Bob’s Mouth- it is so nice douche bags like you come on here disrespecting people. No one here disrespected why are you doing it? You don’t like bob fine that is your opinion. Keep it to yourself and go away we dont need this kind of crap here.
CarlM
They’re jealous because they’re unqualified nee not regular ‘members’ of Bob’s discussion blog - they’re even lesser/smaller than kevin kietzman…
CarlM:
“No one here disrespected why are you doing it?”
What does that mean exactly? Did you maybe forget a word or two? I mean your first sentence almost made sense, so I had such high hopes for the second. Alas, it just got worse as time went by. Much like a Carl Peterson draft pick.
The thing about us “Carl Haters”: we don’t hate on Carl because we think its fun. Believe me, this last 10 years has not been fun. We hate on him because he has been bad at his job for a long time, and we are the ones who have paid the price. If people are doing their jobs well, there is no need for a “whipping boy.”
no one here disrespected YOU! Why are you doing it? I dont care whether you hate carl or not you come on to this blog and start disrespecting the person that provides it. He didnt come to your house and say things about you.
Okay…lets see..as i look @ the chiefs..ordeal…this is what i would do …i am not gonna be cheap..and it for the long hall..and i am making my judgment from what i have seen from this year..
staff….all GONE ..ALL..
NEEDS …QB..A REAL STARTER..THIGGY..NOT READY YET..CASSELL..WINS..
RB LJ UR GONE..3RD 7TH RD DRAFT PICK
HERE’S SURTAIN THE EGG DROP..TE..GONZO..DJ/..TRADE HOPEFULLY RAVENS..RAY LEW..AND 4RD PICK..I’LL TELL WHY LATER.AND I AM SPENDING MONEY FOR J..PEPPERS..WHAT EVER IT TAKES
if you think we played with rookies last year..this will be a another rebulid…but this is what will be differ..
I NEED MY DEFENSE TO BE ON SIGHT KILLERS…WHEN THAT UNIFORM GO ON BE LIKE THE MOST HATED COP..ON EARTH..I HAVE A JOB TO DO….HOW..THATS RAY LEW..AND PEPPERS…WE HAVE DEFENSE SWAGGER…AND A DAM LEADER..THE BEST IN THE GAME..PUT DORSEY WHERE HE BELONGS..AND CAN DO DAMAGE..THEM PICKS..1 PICK CURRY
NOW LOOK…PEPPERS TYLER DORSEY HALI…IF HALI FAILS MCBRIDE..IS READY..HE PLAYED WITH HEART..
THAT 1ST PICK..A CURRY…RAY LEW D WILLIAMS..
MY CBs AND SAFETYS..ARE LEGIT..RAY LEW..WILL MAKE SURE THEY DO THERE JOB…THAT WHY I HAVE HIM..TO GIVE THEM HEART…AND SWAGGER…AND EACH POSITONS HAS A GOOD BACK UP..DEFENSE SOLID..SOME MAY ASK WHY TRADE DJ…HIS TECHNICS ARE RUIN..THEY COACH HIM BAD OUT THE GATE..(DANG)AND IF B SPIKES IS ON THE BOARD BY 2ND ROUND..I WILL GET HIM ..FOR WHEN RAY LEW..MOVES ON….AND ALL OTHER PICKS LEFT WILL BE TO REVANT THAT LINE..CAUSE THERE ARE SOME ROAD GRATERS..COME OUT THIS YEAR…SOME VERY GOOD 3RDS..AND WE HAVE PICKS..TO DO THE JOB FROM THE TRADE..BRING IN A GOOD DEFENSE COACH AND RAY LEW…AND PEPPERS..TEACHING ALL THRU…AND WHERE AWSOME…
OFFENSE…CASSELL QB THIGGY WATCH AND LEARN
IF WE CAN LET SOME GO…..THAT DIDNT DO A THING IN 08…WHICH WILL NOT BE HARD..GET SPROLES..
WILL HAVE 3 3RD PICKS.OL…AND 4RD THERE ARE SOME..GOOD RB… FEEL IN SOME HOLES…LET THE OFFENSE CATCH UP TO THE DEFENSE GET SOME CHEMISTY..GOING…AND ..WE ARE IN THE PLAY OFFS..
LOOK @ THIS REAL GOOD FOLKS…IT CAN BE DONE..WITH OUT..HOPING. JUST PAY THE MONEY AND WHERE STILL UNDER THE CAP..AND WILL BE A YOUNG TEAM..FOR YEARS TO COME..
Herm’s The Man - Chiefs Head Coach 2009!