Supplemental Draft … Monday Cup O’Chiefs
I actually had a fan ask me the other day why the league teams would have to draft supplements. Shouldn’t they all be allowed to use the same products?
To a certain extent, I can understand the confusion. Usually with the NFL when the subjects of supplements comes up it’s generally because a player has tested positive for some banned substance. And the player always says he was unaware that the supplement he was taking had the red-flagged ingredient.
Coming up on Thursday is the NFL’s Supplemental Draft, designed for players who have lost their college eligibility and were not part of the group available for the annual NFL Draft in April. Generally players end up in this draft because of academic, team or NCAA suspensions, or family considerations that force them to make a late decision to go pro before the end of their college eligibility.
Currently there are six known names available in the draft pool. The most likely to get drafted is Kentucky defensive end Jeremy Jarmon (right). And how about this: he’s in the draft because he used a supplement that was banned on the college level.
Actually, it sounds like Jarmon did take something without realizing it was not on the NCAA’s approved list. His record as a person and a student at Kentucky was outstanding and he’s offered to take further drug tests any place, any time. His workout reportedly drew anywhere from 18 to 22 of the league’s 32 teams, which is a pretty good indication there is interest in him.
Out of Shelby County, Tennessee, Jarmon is 6-3, 277 pounds. He played in 38 games at Kentucky, with 130 total tackles, 17.5 sacks and five forced fumbles. He missed only one game in his three years in Lexington.
Another guy who might draw some attention is former Kansas State WR Deon Murphy (left). The 23-year old product out of Houston played at Coffeyville Junior College before the 2007-08 seasons in Manhattan. Murphy caught 94 passes for 1,160 yards and 11 TDs, returned 54 punts for 737 yards and 2 TDs and ran 21 times for 135 yards and two TDs. That’s 2,032 all-purpose yards and 15 TDs. He’s 5-10, 170 pounds.
The remaining players that have become public in the supplemental pool are LB Blake Boyd, DE McKinner Dixon, WR Torris Magee, G Joe McMahon and WR Corey Surrency.
Boyd is 6-3, 250 pounds out of Madisonville, Kentucky and played at Western Kentucky. He had 93 career total tackles and two sacks. He’s 22 years old. Academics got him.
Dixon ran into academic problems at Texas Tech for the second time. He played there as a true freshman in 2005, flunked out, went to Cisco Junior College, returned to Lubbock last year, but had problems in the classroom again and was suspended by head coach Mike Leach this spring. Last year he had eight sacks and 33 total tackles for the Tech defense. As a freshman back in ‘05, he had 29 tackles and six sacks. He is 6-3, 250 pounds and will be 23 on August 1st. Dixon is out of Lufkin, Texas.
Magee played three seasons at Southern Mississippi, catching 54 passes for 718 yards and three touchdowns. He also had 10 punt returns for 86 yards. Magee played in only five games last season. He’s 6-2, 215 pounds out of Hattiesburg and is just 22 years old.
McMahon is 6-4, 290 pounds out of Central Michigan. He started his college career at Joliet Junior College in Joliet, IL. After two years there, McMahon first went to Iowa State, but then landed at Central where he sat out the 2007 season. He started 12 games last year, splitting time between center and right guard. McMahon is 22 years old and grew up in Downers Grove, IL and family considerations pushed him to leaving early.
Surrency lost his remaining Division 1 eligibility at Florida State after the NCAA ruled that his participation with a semi-pro team in an indoor football league in Florida came after his 21st birthday. Thus the two years he participated with the Florida Kings in the Southern Indoor Football League erased his last years of eligibility. He’s 6-5, 210 pounds out of Miami and is 24 years old.
The Supplemental Draft works differently than the regular NFL Draft. Teams submit bids on any player they have an interest in selecting. For instance, if they are willing to use a fourth-round choice on Jarmon, they submit that bid to the league office. The team with the highest bid based on round receives the player, losing their choice in that round for the 2010 NFL Draft. If two or more teams submit the same round, the edge goes to the team with the worst record from last season.
If no team makes a bid on a player, then he becomes an immediate free agent, able to sign with any team in the league.
CHIEFS IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT
The Chiefs have used the Supplemental Draft only once, that in 1992 when they selected Florida DE Darren Mickell, giving up their second-round pick in the 1993 NFL Draft. Mickell spent four non-descript seasons with the Chiefs, appearing in 45 games and starting 19 times from 1992-95. He finished with 76 total tackles, 13.5 sacks and eight forced fumbles.
Will the Chiefs be active this week? That’s unlikely given the pool of players available. Remember they are without their seventh-round choice next year, traded on the second-day of the regular draft so they could select TE Jake O’Connell. But they do have an extra second-round choice, picked up in the Tony Gonzalez trade with Atlanta.
Jarmon may attract their interest because of his physical ability. All the teams that attended Jarmon’s workout were not identified, and of course under the current state of locker down for information around the Chiefs, it’s impossible to know if they were there. The Chiefs also have a hole in their roster at punt returner and Murphy might be able to fill that spot.
But NFL personnel people tell me they believe Jarmon will be the only player selected on Thursday.
HISTORY OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT
The extra draft started in 1977 and has been held 22 times over the previous 32 years, with a total of 36 players drafted.
The first guy taken was RB Al Hunter of Notre Dame, who Seattle grabbed in 1977, giving up a fourth-round choice.
Overall, there have been eight players drafted with first round picks over the years, including quarterbacks Bernie Kosar, Steve Walsh, Dave Wilson, Timm Rosenbach and Dave Brown. LB Brian Bosworth was a supplemental pick in the first, as was WR Rob Moore.
The most recent players taken in the Supplemental Draft came in 2007, when San Diego used a fourth rounder on CB Paul Oliver and with a fifth-round choice, Baltimore selected OT Jared Gaither. After two seasons, Oliver remains a little used backup, but Gaither moved into the starting lineup last year for the Ravens, replacing the retired Jonathan Ogden at left tackle.
SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY …
Born on July 13, 1977 in Caldwell, Idaho was WR Chris Horn. He joined the Chiefs out of the AL2, indoor football league in 2004. Over two seasons in Kansas City (2004-05), Horn appeared in 28 games, with three starts. He caught 33 passes for 365 yards and a touchdown. He returned seven kickoffs for 75 yards.
Well….all I have to say is….wake me when the supplemental draft is over. It sounds like a non-event.
And remember…..don’t feed the idiot Troll.
We need a KR but seems a waste to use a next year to pay for it.
Amen Harold C.
Some day a player of high performance might come from this, new infomation to me . The ( NFL personal access is what makes your daily stories, plus all the little fact’s ).
It’s like a stop with Reader’s Digest—Chiefs.
Thank’s again Mr Gretz, for another day with the kind of new’s that is lifting! It’s not that easy to find.
So, the big question is, where would have a guy like Jarmon been slotted if he were to have been in the regular draft? Let’s say he was thought to be a 3rd rounder, so if a team like the Chiefs have interest, they bid a 4th round pick and try to get him a little cheaper?
That is, if they have interest in the first place. Question to Bob: Has it ever been revealed after the fact what teams were involved in submitting bids and what they offered?
The spirit of Emily Littella lives!
The only teams that trump the Chiefs would be Detroit and St. Louis, so if there is a player the Chiefs want in this draft, they’ll be in great position to get him. Jarmon would seem to be the only draftable player at this point and it could be worth a 4th rounder to bring him in. Since they’ve done little to upgrade the pass rush so far, he may be a good fit as a rush LB. Maybe we sign Murphy afterwords if no one drafts him.
Jarmon would probably play OLB for the chiefs, and we aldready have alot of developmental tweeners at that position (hali, mcbride, etc).
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Here is something worth discussing regarding Cassel:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/12/key-deadline-coming-for-franchise-players/
For the 2009 class of franchise players, the deadline for working out a long-term deal is Wednesday, July 15.
If no long-term deal is reached by then, the franchise player will be permitted to sign only a one-year contract with his current team.
As pointed out by our friends at Pewter Report, the rule also applies to players who have signed their one-year year franchise tenders, like Bucs receiver Antonio Bryant and Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers.
Now, a long-term deal signed after the July 15 deadline simply won’t be recognized by the league.
Hello friends Real Rin daddy-o here; accept no imitations.
’search’ & ‘check’ affirming, and ‘fake’ rin indisposed at the moment to our chagrin - huh - we address today’s topic.
And remember, don’t feed the idiot Har-er, Troll.
Supplemental drafts are just swell Nell but even coller daddy-o were the old yesteryears ‘futures’ drafts; they were just peachy keen daddy-o.
These drafts allowed pro teams to draft a player before their college eligibility had even expired.
When these drafts were en vogue back the AFL days the Chiefs picked up about what they have in the supplemental same since - plenty o’ nothin’ & in e’en greater numbers.
The one exception however was a doozy: HOF PK Jan Stenerud who was chosen in 1966, & who decided to sign with the AFL’s Chiefs over the NFL and spent many great seasons here starting in 1967.
So don’t expect much if anything from the 2009 version NFL wheel of fortune - although on the other hand don’t be too Kurt in your dismissal toward that helpful young man in aisle ‘W’ who tells you he has played some semi-pro football and is looking for a tryout…hy-vee hy-vee ho!
daddy-o
Here’s a nice article that explains further the ‘futures’ or ‘redshirt’ that once was:
https://www.profootballresearchers.org/Coffin_Corner/07-05-238.pdf
The gist being these drafts started back in 1949 and they continued up until the AFL & NFL merger agreement in 1966 -
“The future pick was based on the old NFL rule that a player could be chosen if his class had graduated even if the player had not completed his eligibility. In the 1960s with the AFL and NFL each trying to get an advantage the future picks became more and more frequent - in 1965 & 1966 the AFL held separate drafts for futures.”
Hence nee viola! - Jan Stenerud.
daddy-o
Nice post Rin Tin Tin and very interesting. Thanks.
daddy-o
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This person makes Rin look real great
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We’ll probably have to put up with this for a while,
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I claim the above post.
There is only 3 players that look we could use.
Jeremy Jarmon: move to LB, would be a big LB 270
Deon Murphy: KR and PR
McKinner Dixon: LB only like 250 so he is small for DE
Harold C.,
Bless your Heart Harold, I appreciate and understand your effort. But you just fed your target a feast! The effort was Nobel, but your tactics flawed beyond illogical. The only way to starve a Narcissist is to, NOT pay ANY attention! None! ZERO! ZILCH!
findthedr,
Their is apparently some dispute between the League and the NFLPA on this July 15th deadline for players that have signed a one year tender. The League (or at least one executive) seems to read the language in a way that doesn’t apply to those that have already signed offers but only applys to those that haven’t. Florio was supposed to be contacting the NFL for clarification. It would certainly be a topic worth discussion, if it does apply to Cassel.
FEED ME!!!! Nam nam nam nam nam!!!!
who knew Harold C., is a first-rate poet? well done Harold.
Agree Anonymous, there is some controversy regarding the July 15th deadline (and how it relates to Matt C)….this is an area in particular that Mr. Gretz could help clarify.
And if you didn’t know I’m the idiot Troll.
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Yes, my eyes burn a deep and brilliant green.
I claim the above post also.
I wanted Gaither and Oliver that year, really upset me that we didnt go after either, even if oliver doesnt have a good career, he had promise, and Gaither is a beast. Oh well.
We dont need Jarmon, since in the 3-4 he fits a spot that we have filled. And Bob is right, trading the 7th makes the chance of dipping in for a PR unlikely, especially since we drafted a pure specialist this year.
I guess if you think he can play LB, then Jarmon makes sense, but…I think hes more of a 4-3 DE.
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Well….at least I am blessed.
As the topic today be supplemental as twere, this bit o ‘football’ news from the sports information site: https://www.rotoworld.com
“Cowboys Romo reportedly breaks up with Simpson.”
People.com reports Dallas Cowboys QB Tony Romo broke up with girlfriend singer Jessica Simpson last week, according to a source.”
which followed this one same -
“Romo-Williams relationship a work in progress”
QB Tony Romo and WR Roy Williams put in a lot of extra offseason work together. There were some encouraging signs of chemistry between the two during OTAs and minicamp, but there was also ample evidence that their relationship is a work in progress.”
How’s that disclaimer go, we report you decide?
^ daddy-o ^
findthedr:
There is also the opinion that since Cassel was traded after he signed the Franchise contract, the July 15th deadline does not apply to him and his new team.
Rin why don’t you start your own blog??? I bet theres just tons of people that want to hear what you have to say. I bet you couldn’t even figure out how to do it though. Even in this day and age, you would probably find it too technically overwhelming. Sure would be cool though to have your own thing right? Better than taking over the message board of someone elses blog.
Aaron said
“Rin”
- yes, what is it now?
“why don’t you start your own blog???”
- another one?
“I bet theres just tons of people that want to hear what you have to say”
- I can understand that…
“I bet you couldn’t even figure out how to do it though.”
- your blogging response to Rin be indicator He ‘has’…
“Even in this day and age”
- e’en tough economic times these mi gente always make time for Rin…stay thirsty my friends.
“you would probably find it too”
- too time consuming? No, perish the thought. Rin has already ensured that He will be here edifying Chiefs fandom throughout this year and every aft. As for you errant- er aaron, why do you not have ‘your’ own blog?
“technically overwhelming.”
- yes, became clear - crystal - aft witnessing your writhing- er, writing style…
“Sure would be cool though to have your own thing right?”
- it is for Rin…
“Better than taking over the message board of someone elses blog.”
- the distinction escapes Rin for He doesn’t take over as much as leads the way - and others follow Him.
On the other, if you are unhappy here due to your inability to read and/or pass another’s blog sans covetousness or jaundiced comment perhaps another locale would suit you better. In this way, whence Rin showed up at your proprietary blog - which He wouldn’t of course as He never suffers the little people - you could tell Him to go away… and Rin wouldn’t hear you of course because He never made the trip to your blog hovel at shanty town in the first place. Don’t tarry error- er, aaron.
In conclusion, failing at said you may choose to read or to not, to comment or do not- but do try reigning in the incredibly angsty green-eyed hue has you by the throat, appears.
daddy-o, ’search’ & ‘check’ affirming…
Everyone has the right to their own opinion?!?… I mean isn’t that the point of a blog, to spout off? I would have to say I really dont like reading people who are just complaining about other people, sorta like I am right now. So with that being said, I would like to see the chiefs try and get Jarmon, he seems like he could push the rest of the players a little and on the other hand isn’t that what everyone was saying before, that you need talent to push the other talent.
The chiefs may get outbid for Jarmon though, he could be a 3rd rounder from another team…