DJ IS NOT A MLB, Told you

Pollard is gone told you that just because we spent picks on D players early doesnt mean a thing…other than they could boom or bust just like anyone else.

I also never said I am ’sold’ on stafford. There are a number of college qbs that I like including Bradford and Tebow (yes! tebow).

Stafford can make all the throws, he is ‘well built’ and can take a hit, at the end of the season he will have completed 3yrs of starting experience, and although his career completion percentage is below 60%, he has done alot without much of a supporting cast.

There is still alot of season remaining which will help ’shake’ things out, but I think after all is said and done (including senior bowl, combine, proday, and interviews) Stafford will be regarded as a top 5 pick…just as he is now.
http://www.gbnreport.com/top100.html

The questions we have to ask are:
1. Could Stafford, Bradford, or Tebow make the chiefs better?
2. Could any of them be QBOTF, and one day be a probowler?

The answer to both is yes.

I haven’t heard about any interest from Tampa, but Clayton would be a great pickup.

I don’t know why there hasn’t been more talk about the Chiefs dealing for a lower-profile player that can contribute now, rather than for just a draft pick.

There are several reports that the Eagles are interested in TG – he’d be a great addition to that team. Why not push for something along the lines of a 3rd-rounder and, say, Hank Baskett? I think Baskett could be a #2 receiver for this team right now.

At QB
They have four on the roster so maybe McCown or Josh Johnson could be had.

At TE
We could get a veteran to come in and help and they have Alex Smith who is solid in all areas, Jeramy Stevens who is a physical freak, and John Gilmore who excels at blocking and special teams.

At WR
We could get another big LSU product in Michael Clayton. Maurice Stovall is another big target who could potentially help us. Neither is getting targeted much in Tampa right now and since we’d lose a big possession target in Gonzalez, why not gain one back?

Any of you guys interested in any of these players? I think for Gonzalez we could get a combination of any two players mentioned on this list. (One per position)

I usually agree with most of your posts but I have to ask why you are sold on Stafford. You yourself posted the link about college QBs and accuracy and how closely related that stat (along with starts) is so important in selecting a QB in the draft. Why then does Matt Stafford’s average at best career comp % make you think he will be any different than say Jim Druckenmiller or Ryan Leaf or Kyle Boller? I know he has lots of physical talent, but based the stats you provided, there’s no reason to think he is a safe pick in the top 5. Take off your Stafford goggles for a second and carefully reexamine the situation. If you still think the same, tell us why. I’m curious.

Also, to you geniuses yapping on about Vilma, if he were such a great fit then why the hell didn’t Herm (who drafted Vilma originally) make the trade for him this offseason? The Saints made the move and Herm obviously wasn’t comfortable with where we were at at the position so why make the move now and not before? I agree Vilma would have been nice, but Herm didn’t think enough of him to top the Saints offer. SO, does this mean that Vilma’s injuries have made him a shell of his former self or does it mean that Herm is an idiot? Hmmmmm……I think you know my opinion on this issue.

1.just because Herm might have stated DJ is not a MLB doesnt make it so. DJ has the size, speed, and the natural instincts to be succesful at it. He essentially played ILB at Texas anyway.

2. we dont need RB. that is the deepest position on the chiefs. Heck, we even have Battle on the PS who is 6′2” 238lbs and ran a 4.42 40yrd time.

3. Chiefs will not draft Oher. Albert has shown he is capable of playing the LT position.

4. Stafford is easily worth a top 5 pick.
5. Yes, rookie QBs might not be succesful, but the play of guys like Matt Ryan, ben Rothlesberger, Jay Cutler, Trent Edwards, Kyle Orton, among others show that QBs can be succesful starting in their rookie year.

6. Vilma might be an option if he is available, though I expect the saints to lock him up if he shows he is a capable starter for them.
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Brian,
Tony no longer wants to be a chief. No one is going to give us a 1st for him.

2008 Brandon Flowers CB
2007 Turk McBride DE
2006 Bernard Pollard DB
2005 No Second Round Pick
2004 Junior Siavii DT
2004 Kris Wilson TE
2003 Kawika Mitchell MLB
2002 Eddie Freeman DT
2001 No Second Round Pick
2000 William Bartee CB

Would you trade even an older Tony G. for any one of these players in their prime?

Trade Larry, and let Kolby and Jamaal split carries, but getting rid of Tony makes no sense for anything less than a first rounder.

He deserves better than Carl and Herm are capable of giving him.

As for MLB, a rook can lead the defense, and DJ is NOT a middle linebacker, Herm has stated such many times…Just because those draft “experts” state such, doesnt mean we wont deal back to 10 and nab Rey or Laurenitus….The fact is, Stafford isnt worth a top 5 pick, and as for getting a capable passer, who is to say a rookie is the way to go at that position?

I stick to MLB, last year I stuck with Dorsey or Ellis as the pick, and boom, it happened, previous year I predicted Bowe, so this year, I see a trade back to maximize picks, then a MLB. Of course if we could get Vilma in here, Id prefer that if Oher is worth a top 10 pick.

JB

yeah, the football doctor, and I’m now putting on a clinic in this thread. lol.

Here is what they said,” The QB position is by far the toughest to fill, and most teams are (and should be) willing to fill it by any means necessary. First round QBs are no sure thing, but anyone picked after the first round appears to be a very long shot that will require several years of development. And even those late round guys that do work out will probably have to move to a new team to be successful. The bottom line here is that until you’ve found your guy you should jump at any opportunity to acquire a quality starter, be it early in the draft, late in the draft, via trade, or through free agency. Don’t pass on a QB early in the draft because you also like a guy that could be had later. If you are really in need of a QB you should probably draft them both.”

what do they say about LB? answer:
“Linebacker is a position where there never seems to be a shortage of talent. It’s kind of the anti-Planet Theory position. I’m not saying there are 6-foot-2, 230 pound guys that can run a 4.5 on every street corner in America, but there seem to be 10 to 20 in every draft class. The elite guys are set apart by instinct, desire, and hard work. That’s not always easy to identify, so there will be some bargains late in the draft and even some that don’t get drafted. The gifted guys who were extremely productive at the big time programs are the ones that go early and seldom disappoint, so there’s no reason not use an early pick to fill a need at linebacker, just don’t do it at the expense of filling a need at a top heavy position (such as QB, LT, DT). There will be good players available later if you know how to find them. OLB bargains are often undersized college defensive ends who make the transition to playing in reverse well (like Clark Haggans and Adalius Thomas). ILB generally requires more football intelligence than OLB, so the bargains are in the form of guys with relatively average athletic skills but great football minds (like Zach Tomas and Antonio Pierce).”

Our defensive line is made up of (from R to L): 1st rounder, 1st rounder, 3rd rounder, 2nd rounder.

We have a 1st rounder OLB in DJ, a 2nd round CB in Flowers, a 2nd round saftey in pollard.

basically we have 1st day draft picks all over the defense….and our defense currently sucks!

a rookie MLB is not (and should not be) the leader of the defense. Furthermore, now that defensive players can have radios in helmets. they can get the adjustments directly from the coach. The ‘QB’ of the defense can now be virtually any defensive player who is wearing the helmet with communication.

Warren sapp was the leader of the defense when he was around. Donnie Edwards was the leader of the defense when he was in his prime. Bob Sanders is the leader of the defense for Indy. Their is no reason that Glen Dorsey or Derrick Johnson, or Bernard Pollard, or Tamba Hali, or any of our other players cant step up and lead. If they cant do it and were drafted by the chiefs, what makes you think some rookie can?

Ray M. is 6′2” 260lbs and will likely run a slow 40 time. IMO, he is too big as a 4-3 MLB. This year he has looked lousy without Sedrick Ellis in front of him. Instead of tackling at or behind the LOS, he is chasing them down from behind. The rb from Oregon State rushed for 186yrds against USC which has a very veteran defense!

Our best option might actually be to have DJ play MLB. He should be great as long as our DTs do their job and keep blockers off of him.

You admit that the team would be alot closer with Pennington, and thus admit the diffrence that a competent QB can make on the team. Obviously, QB instability has to be the most glaring weakness on the team (along with the offensive line). Even if Brodie turns out to be the answer, he hasnt shown he can stay healthy for a complete season. The chiefs would be foolish to pass up a chance at drafting a top rated passer, specially since they touch the ball more than any other player on the team.

This defense has linebacker gap issues, they have the secondary, they have 3 of the 4 on the line and a rush end is an easy fix…they need a LEADER of the defense, someone to hold EVERYONE accountable, not a coach, a player coach who can manage that defense….Currently there is no leader out there.

Starting with Atlanta: Lets hope that we don’t have to go thru the turmoil this team has had to endure. They are not a team that got old and in need of retooling. They were a pretty darn good team when Vick was at his best. They did a good job in the free agency market and they had a great draft (especially with their QB) It seems they have hit a home run with their selection at QB, a Matt Ryan would make any team look better. I would not classify this team as a rebuilding team. They are a team that built around Vick, when Vick was not in the picture and without a quality QB to take his place they had a miserable 4-12 season. Maybe with Ryan this team will reach the potential expected when they put it together.

Miami: To start with, Parcels is one of, if not the best in the business at building a team. He never stays long so maybe KC will be his next stop.

So far all the Dolphins have done is improve on a 1-15 season. Today they lost to an 0-4 Houston team. They will have an up and down season. They are however a better team, mostly because of a healthy Ronnie Brown, a good QB in Pennington and a flat out dominate LT. But also because Parcels knows how to build a team.

It will be interesting to watch the development of the Dolphins long term compared to the Chiefs long term and see if Carl can even sit at the same table as Parcels.

the chiefs will have a very high 1st round pick next year and I can virtually guarantee you that they wont be spending it on a MLB. That would be stupid.

Furthermore, Ray M. has been exposed by Oregon states as not worthy of that high a pick.

Just what do you think is right with the chiefs and their rebuild.

What fight, do you have evidence to support that claim? Please do not assume something, you know where that can get you!

Agree, but that might force KC to throw to someone else other than Bowe with TG gone. Others will finally get a chance, and they have to step up.

I agree, I would like to have Maurice Price back. Hannon is essentially the equivalent of Jeff Webb, and neither have ’stepped up’ inspite of getting oppurtunities.

I think we will see one or the other gone next year from the sound of the fight between Herm & Carl for the power and control of this rebuild.

Herm will blame Carl for why he can’t get it done and Carl will tell Clark he is trying to keep the stands still full so Clarks bank account wont take a hit and odds are Clark will go with what ever Carl says do to Carl has made the HUNTS very rich for the last 20 years and that will go a long ways with the young man Clark. You all have to keep in mind Clark has grown up with Carl and I wouldn’t be supprised if Clark didn’t use to refer to Carl as his uncle (Uncle Carl) back in his youth. There is a very strong relationship between Carl Peterson and the entire Hunt family. Even if Carl steps over to just the business side of the Chiefs, he more than likely will never work for anyone else in the NFL.

I’m excited to get Bradley on the field. I liked this guy when he played for the Sooners. Maybe he’ll be able to put it together here in KC. Devard Darling sure hasn’t but I’m glad they’re trying to find hidden gems on the market. I always felt that one of the main reasons this team was consistently competitive in the 90s was Carl’s ability to find low profile free agents who could come in and make a difference. Guys like Mark Collins, Ted Popson, Joe Phillips, Rich Gannon, and Glenn Parker just to name a few were not high profile guys when they were brought in. I’m not sure how effective Carl is at finding guys like these anymore but when the team is struggling this bad, you’ve gotta try and find a spark somewhere.

If we could get value for Surtain I’d say “go for it”.

I guess what I am saying is there are no garantees. Wait 3 or 4 years and you can be the Bungles for all your hard work. You need to enjoy what you have and if watching this bunch if fun go for it. My long term predition is clark hunt will look into moving the chiefs to better market in about 2015, a fresh start with new hopes and aspirations.

Pardon the sarcasm but it’s getting tougher and tougher to have any confidence that the current front office and coaching staff know what they’re doing. Are the Chiefs joining the Lions and Bengals as the poster children for inept NFL franchises?

Okay, mini rant over. Let’s get this latest storm front behind us, keep the faith, and trust that the remainder of the season will show more promise and progress than the first 5 games.

I hope the chief organization does not try to make Tony a scapegoat or cancer in the locker room like Vermeil or Allen or Tait. There seems to be a pattern here.