Comments on: Square Pegs In Round Holes … Wednesday Cup O’Chiefs http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html Dedicated to providing the best coverage of the Kansas City Chiefs. News, commentary, reports, and exclusive inside information - daily! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:27:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: PoopOnThis http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30676 PoopOnThis Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:10:01 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30676 I just dont think that trading Tank Tyler for another Colin Brown next year can possibly be worth it. unless pioli actually uses next years picks instead of throwing almost all of them away on garbage, this was a stupid move. I just dont think that trading Tank Tyler for another Colin Brown next year can possibly be worth it. unless pioli actually uses next years picks instead of throwing almost all of them away on garbage, this was a stupid move.

]]> By: B in SC http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30650 B in SC Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:14:23 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30650 Bob, A lot of the coaching changes were made due to Lamar becoming more and more sympathetic with fans. I like that to a point. A stronger owner (maybe stubborn is more accurate) would have stuck with Levy longer or stepped in on the Peterson vs Marty feud. I think Hunt jr. is committed to Pioli/Haley for the long-term. He isn't quick to make decisions for immediate fan appeasement, which is good. As for the player signings/cuts/trades. I could really care less what is happening right now. There are no acquisitions that are going to take place between now and March that will noticeably change the talent level. There are certain times you can upgrade the roster, and now aint it. I hear people ask why we didn't sign this guy or that guy instead of who we did. It doesn't matter. They are all unemployed and passed over by 32 teams. We are just polishing turds at this point and hoping to get to next year, hopefully with some wins, but the talent level is as good as it gets. Bob,

A lot of the coaching changes were made due to Lamar becoming more and more sympathetic with fans. I like that to a point. A stronger owner (maybe stubborn is more accurate) would have stuck with Levy longer or stepped in on the Peterson vs Marty feud.

I think Hunt jr. is committed to Pioli/Haley for the long-term. He isn’t quick to make decisions for immediate fan appeasement, which is good.

As for the player signings/cuts/trades. I could really care less what is happening right now. There are no acquisitions that are going to take place between now and March that will noticeably change the talent level. There are certain times you can upgrade the roster, and now aint it. I hear people ask why we didn’t sign this guy or that guy instead of who we did. It doesn’t matter. They are all unemployed and passed over by 32 teams. We are just polishing turds at this point and hoping to get to next year, hopefully with some wins, but the talent level is as good as it gets.

]]> By: el cid http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30648 el cid Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:57:42 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30648 Dynasty is a great word and I would buy it if I thought it was coming. Maybe it is but if the Chiefs need 4 -5 year to achieve their dynasty, not one player will still be on this team we are watching today. They are all gone. That means this team will be in rebuild mode for the entire period and we get bad games to watch. I just do not see it. Also where does the signing of DT Smith fit other than a body ( not necessarily a live one) to fill the roster? I doubt he can play next sunday. Dynasty is a great word and I would buy it if I thought it was coming. Maybe it is but if the Chiefs need 4 -5 year to achieve their dynasty, not one player will still be on this team we are watching today. They are all gone. That means this team will be in rebuild mode for the entire period and we get bad games to watch. I just do not see it. Also where does the signing of DT Smith fit other than a body ( not necessarily a live one) to fill the roster? I doubt he can play next sunday.

]]> By: Jim Lloyd+ http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30641 Jim Lloyd+ Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:14:35 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30641 See what he can do , this is not going to be his first try . If he break's , get someone else . What's the worst that can happen , and what's to gain . He might find this to be his last chance and come alive . If I were in his shoes , here's a team that is just around the corner from maybe doing something . If he work's hard and smart ,like a lot leg lifting , etc.. Someone saw something ! Sure you can say about anything here , that's what it's for . See what he can do , this is not going to be his first try .
If he break’s , get someone else .
What’s the worst that can happen , and what’s to gain . He might find this to be his last chance and come alive . If I were in his shoes , here’s a team that is just around the corner from maybe doing something . If he work’s hard and smart ,like a lot leg lifting , etc..
Someone saw something !
Sure you can say about anything here , that’s what it’s for .

]]> By: Mad Chief http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30640 Mad Chief Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:12:09 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30640 jimbo says: "our future key word is “Dynasty”" I look forward to when this organization regains it Pride...and when Arrowhead is once again the most feared place to play in the NFL. When we stop being the team everybody WANTS to play...to being the team that NOBODY wants to play. It's coming. I know it. The Chiefs have the best fans in the NFL, and we WILL be rewarded for our patience. jimbo says:

“our future key word is “Dynasty””

I look forward to when this organization regains it Pride…and when Arrowhead is once again the most feared place to play in the NFL. When we stop being the team everybody WANTS to play…to being the team that NOBODY wants to play. It’s coming. I know it. The Chiefs have the best fans in the NFL, and we WILL be rewarded for our patience.

]]> By: jimbo http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30639 jimbo Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:54:48 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30639 I remember when we drafted Tank & Turk. I thought, boy! have we got a tandem of defensive lineman with great nicknames, that would quickly become the "dynamic duo" of the NFL. In reality they were not that good. We then switched to a 3-4 defense & they did not get better. So long & good luck... Tank & Turk. Scott Pioli has been both private & secretive about what he does behind closed doors. Very bad for the press & probably good for Chiefs fans. We just don't know that yet. I'll admit some of the later trades & free agent signings are yawners. It's hard to tell the "method of all this seemingly madness". The key word here is seemingly. Words like Rebuild, Process, Improve, Overnight, Foundation & Right 53. They all seemingly mean to me is "Patience". We don't like that word, nor should we. Unfortunately as fans, this is year one of patience. Fortunately however, our future key word is "Dynasty". The method behind the madness is really just a few years away. Go Chiefs. I remember when we drafted Tank & Turk. I thought, boy! have we got a tandem of defensive lineman with great nicknames, that would quickly become the “dynamic duo” of the NFL.
In reality they were not that good. We then switched to a 3-4 defense & they did not get better. So long & good luck… Tank & Turk.

Scott Pioli has been both private & secretive about what he does behind closed doors. Very bad for the press & probably good for Chiefs fans. We just don’t know that yet. I’ll admit some of the later trades & free agent signings are yawners. It’s hard to tell the “method of all this seemingly madness”. The key word here is seemingly.
Words like Rebuild, Process, Improve, Overnight, Foundation & Right 53. They all seemingly mean to me is “Patience”. We don’t like that word, nor should we. Unfortunately as fans, this is year one of patience.
Fortunately however, our future key word is “Dynasty”. The method behind the madness is really just a few years away.
Go Chiefs.

]]> By: Mad Chief http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30638 Mad Chief Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:39:29 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30638 Another very good point, gorillafan. That makes you two for two today. Another very good point, gorillafan. That makes you two for two today.

]]> By: gorillafan http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30636 gorillafan Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:06:02 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30636 we just have to hang in there. we fans have been saying it for years now, with ther re-rebuilding year in and year out. but for pioli and haley, it isnt the same for them. this is a new situation and new rebuild, so we have to give them time, eventhough were tired of waiting we just have to hang in there.

we fans have been saying it for years now, with ther re-rebuilding year in and year out. but for pioli and haley, it isnt the same for them. this is a new situation and new rebuild, so we have to give them time, eventhough were tired of waiting

]]> By: Mad Chief http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30635 Mad Chief Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:59:47 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30635 gorillafan says: "NFL network and many other sources said the chiefs and pioli tried to get trades done and no one would step up to the plate with a fair deal. so there is your “not trying” and “not having a clue”" Very true. It takes two parties to make a deal. And it has to work out for both sides. Better to do nothing than to get ripped off. gorillafan says:
“NFL network and many other sources said the chiefs and pioli tried to get trades done and no one would step up to the plate with a fair deal. so there is your “not trying” and “not having a clue””

Very true. It takes two parties to make a deal. And it has to work out for both sides. Better to do nothing than to get ripped off.

]]> By: Mad Chief http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30634 Mad Chief Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:57:17 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30634 MikeO says: "Kenny Smith NT signed. I hate this signing" I would have to agree, Mike. Smith was on IR for the '04, '05 and '08 season...and did not play football at all during the '06 and '07 season. And THIS was the best guy they could find to back-up Edwards at NT??? I hope I'm wrong. Maybe the guy will be a monster. But on the face of it, I'm not impressed. MikeO says:
“Kenny Smith NT signed. I hate this signing”

I would have to agree, Mike. Smith was on IR for the ’04, ’05 and ’08 season…and did not play football at all during the ’06 and ’07 season.

And THIS was the best guy they could find to back-up Edwards at NT??? I hope I’m wrong. Maybe the guy will be a monster. But on the face of it, I’m not impressed.

]]> By: gorillafan http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30633 gorillafan Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:56:05 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30633 NFL network and many other sources said the chiefs and pioli tried to get trades done and no one would step up to the plate with a fair deal. so there is your "not trying" and "not having a clue" NFL network and many other sources said the chiefs and pioli tried to get trades done and no one would step up to the plate with a fair deal. so there is your “not trying” and “not having a clue”

]]> By: Alexthe"GREAT" http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30632 Alexthe"GREAT" Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:49:21 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30632 It seems 2 me that every1 here has the same sense of what needs 2 be done 2 improve our team. But why is it that the organization seems 2 not have a clue, ingore the fans opinion and tends 2 go the opposite route year in and year out......I've always believed that u cant knock a guy who trys but it seems like the organization could care less! Hey, I hear alot of people say "Why would any1 want 2 come 2 a 2-14 team" well its the GM job 2 push up on big tyme FA and and give them a feel that this team is up and coming. But 2 just pick people off the streets is like sifting through some1 elses trash hoping 2 find a warm slice of pizza......(sad) It seems 2 me that every1 here has the same sense of what needs 2 be done 2 improve our team. But why is it that the organization seems 2 not have a clue, ingore the fans opinion and tends 2 go the opposite route year in and year out……I’ve always believed that u cant knock a guy who trys but it seems like the organization could care less! Hey, I hear alot of people say “Why would any1 want 2 come 2 a 2-14 team” well its the GM job 2 push up on big tyme FA and and give them a feel that this team is up and coming. But 2 just pick people off the streets is like sifting through some1 elses trash hoping 2 find a warm slice of pizza……(sad)

]]> By: MikeO http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30630 MikeO Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:32:18 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30630 Kenny Smith NT signed. I hate this signing, why didn't we bring in Ed Johnson cut from the Colts. Why is Jake O'Connell and Brad Cottam still on the roster? Do we need 4 tight ends? And Pierre Walters, if he doesnt dress on game day, move him to the practice squad. Kenny Smith NT signed. I hate this signing, why didn’t we bring in Ed Johnson cut from the Colts. Why is Jake O’Connell and Brad Cottam still on the roster? Do we need 4 tight ends? And Pierre Walters, if he doesnt dress on game day, move him to the practice squad.

]]> By: Jim Lloyd+ http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30628 Jim Lloyd+ Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:30:03 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30628 Does anyone really know why Marty packed up and left almost overnight ??? Does anyone really know why Marty packed up and left almost overnight ???

]]> By: Rick http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30626 Rick Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:39:23 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30626 How many defensive lineman have we drafeted that aren't around anymore. Sims, Siavi, McBride, Tyler and probably a few I am missing. I am anxious to see what Kolby Smith can bring to the table. Looney says he looks ripped. Hopefully we find out soon. I like Dorsey he is starting to show up on Sundays. Isn't it funny everyone saying he was a bust and Albert was a great pick and now this year Dorsey is doing ok and they say Albert is a bust!!!!! How many defensive lineman have we drafeted that aren’t around anymore. Sims, Siavi, McBride, Tyler and probably a few I am missing. I am anxious to see what Kolby Smith can bring to the table. Looney says he looks ripped. Hopefully we find out soon. I like Dorsey he is starting to show up on Sundays. Isn’t it funny everyone saying he was a bust and Albert was a great pick and now this year Dorsey is doing ok and they say Albert is a bust!!!!!

]]> By: Mad Chief http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30625 Mad Chief Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:30:12 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30625 -Marty's teams couldn't seem to win in the playoffs. But, let's see...how many times did he get us there? I'd take that over 4-12 or 2-14 any day. -Hiring Cunningham as Head Coach was a mistake from the start. And it showed. -Vermeil had good teams. Lots of Offense, and fun to watch. The Defense was ignored, though. But at the time, nobody seemed to care because we were winning. Scoring 30-40 points a game can do that for you. -Edwards was hired because he was a defensive-minded coach. He was supposed to bring a great Defense back to the Chiefs. Never happened. His staff was a mess, and players got "soft". Edwards was a good guy...a "players coach". But his record speaks for itself. 6 wins in two seasons will get you fired, and rightly so. -Haley? The jury is still out. For me, anyway. Lots of people want him gone already. I don't think there is any way possible you could get a coach that's more opposite of Edwards. Only time will tell if the "Haley Way" will turn this team around. He's a Rookie Head Coach...so I'm affording him "rookie mistakes". For now. Again, time will tell if he's learning from those mistakes or not. But, results on the field is really the only measuring stick for a Head Coach. Period. No matter what factors contribute, if your team doesn't win games...you won't be around long. -Marty’s teams couldn’t seem to win in the playoffs. But, let’s see…how many times did he get us there? I’d take that over 4-12 or 2-14 any day.

-Hiring Cunningham as Head Coach was a mistake from the start. And it showed.

-Vermeil had good teams. Lots of Offense, and fun to watch. The Defense was ignored, though. But at the time, nobody seemed to care because we were winning. Scoring 30-40 points a game can do that for you.

-Edwards was hired because he was a defensive-minded coach. He was supposed to bring a great Defense back to the Chiefs. Never happened. His staff was a mess, and players got “soft”. Edwards was a good guy…a “players coach”. But his record speaks for itself. 6 wins in two seasons will get you fired, and rightly so.

-Haley? The jury is still out. For me, anyway. Lots of people want him gone already. I don’t think there is any way possible you could get a coach that’s more opposite of Edwards. Only time will tell if the “Haley Way” will turn this team around. He’s a Rookie Head Coach…so I’m affording him “rookie mistakes”. For now. Again, time will tell if he’s learning from those mistakes or not. But, results on the field is really the only measuring stick for a Head Coach. Period. No matter what factors contribute, if your team doesn’t win games…you won’t be around long.

]]> By: Randy http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30624 Randy Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:28:17 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30624 I still don't understand releasing Pollard, and keeping Mike Brown. Pollard had the potential to be one of the most hard-hitting safeties in the game. He just got burned deep too often. But, Mike Brown has not looked better. I still don’t understand releasing Pollard, and keeping Mike Brown. Pollard had the potential to be one of the most hard-hitting safeties in the game. He just got burned deep too often. But, Mike Brown has not looked better.

]]> By: ED http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30623 ED Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:55:41 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30623 I agree with that Mike. Problem with the Chiefs is they didn't hang in there with Marty. IF Marty had still been head coach we'd have another Super bowl by now. As for Haley when he leads this team back to the playoff which I think he will we just have to hang in there with him until he gets this team over the hump. I agree with that Mike. Problem with the Chiefs is they didn’t hang in there with Marty. IF Marty had still been head coach we’d have another Super bowl by now. As for Haley when he leads this team back to the playoff which I think he will we just have to hang in there with him until he gets this team over the hump.

]]> By: Mike in MO http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30622 Mike in MO Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:53:09 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30622 One of the major reasons for the success of the Steelers and the (early) Cowboys was management's willingness to hang in with their coaches, even when things were rough. The fans in Dallas screamed for Tom Landry's removal early on, but management stuck with him, and the team became very successful in subsequent years. How many head coaches have the Steelers had in the last 30+ years? Three: Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher, and Mike Tomlin. What kind of success have they enjoyed? Their record speaks for itself. One of the major reasons for the success of the Steelers and the (early) Cowboys was management’s willingness to hang in with their coaches, even when things were rough. The fans in Dallas screamed for Tom Landry’s removal early on, but management stuck with him, and the team became very successful in subsequent years. How many head coaches have the Steelers had in the last 30+ years? Three: Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher, and Mike Tomlin. What kind of success have they enjoyed? Their record speaks for itself.

]]> By: ED http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30621 ED Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:47:19 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30621 HOw about those guys just aren't good. All of thosse guys went to losing franchises except for Pollard to Houston. None of those guys got picked up by Steelers, Ravens, Giants, or Pats. Bottom line Bob most of those guys released just either wasn't talented players or so undicplined in their craft they couldn't fit with the new regime or any regime for that matter. Yeah Turk didn't fit in 3-4 or Tank didn't fit in 3-4. But judging by their play in Herm's 4-3 defense they weren't impressive in it either. That's why we got mid round picks or either got nothing for those guys and just released them. HOw about those guys just aren’t good. All of thosse guys went to losing franchises except for Pollard to Houston. None of those guys got picked up by Steelers, Ravens, Giants, or Pats. Bottom line Bob most of those guys released just either wasn’t talented players or so undicplined in their craft they couldn’t fit with the new regime or any regime for that matter. Yeah Turk didn’t fit in 3-4 or Tank didn’t fit in 3-4. But judging by their play in Herm’s 4-3 defense they weren’t impressive in it either. That’s why we got mid round picks or either got nothing for those guys and just released them.

]]> By: rexHouser http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/square-pegs-in-round-holes-%e2%80%a6-wednesday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-30620 rexHouser Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:41:31 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11321#comment-30620 Many coaches, yes but only only ONE GENERAL MANAGER: Peterson, where a lot of the blame can be placed for the current status of our Chiefs Many coaches, yes but only only ONE GENERAL MANAGER:
Peterson, where a lot of the blame can be placed for the current status of our Chiefs

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