So Did Pioli Say Anything? … Thursday Cup O’Chiefs

If you missed it Wednesday let me inform you that GM Scott Pioli was on one of his bi-annual media blitzes. It’s when the normally reticent to speak leader of the Chiefs football operation is convinced to drop his guard speak to members of the media horde.

I can assure you that Pioli hates doing this. But it’s necessary and I give him points for finally understanding that, or at least listening to those that do.

He talked with both sports radio stations, the local fish wrap, at least one local sports hairdo and the Associated Press. What he told all of them was largely the same, although his conversations came in one-on-one fashion.

Where was bobgretz.com? We did not dine at the Pioli trough and that wasn’t his decision. It was mine and there are two reasons:

  1. I don’t trust much of what comes out of Pioli’s mouth.
  2. I did not think there was any way he was going to be forthcoming on the problems of the organization.

Hearing and reading his comments, No. 2 proved to be quite true. If anybody was suspecting a mea culpa from Pioli on the disaster that is the 2012 season to date, then they were dreaming. I mean a real I screwed up. Certainly, he said he was to blame as much as anybody and he had to do a better job than what he’s done.

Those were the same words he used back in December when he met the media with Clark Hunt at his side to announce that he’d fired his first choice as head coach Todd Haley. He said then he had not done a good enough job.

Some 10 months later apparently he hasn’t improved because the team is going backwards. That’s the truth, but it’s not something Pioli would ever admit was true. The Pioli Chiefs are 22-33 and there’s no way to sugar coat that incredibly poor winning percentage.

And there’s no way to forget the immaturity and lack of moral and football foundation that Pioli brought with him from New England, where he truly believed he had learned the secret formula and thus had all the answers to build a Super Bowl contender. Like so many others that have left the Patriots, he should send thank you cards every payday to Bill Belichick and Tom Brady because that’s the secret of having a chance to win championship. Those two guys made him a very rich man.

It’s that attitude he brought to town that explains why I don’t trust the words that come out of his pie-hole. He won’t address his contract situation, because it’s Chiefs policy to not discuss those things. But that hasn’t stopped Pioli over four years from spreading gossip, mistruths and lies about various people he wanted to blow off the Chiefs landscape. He’ll drop all sorts of financial numbers and player contract numbers when he feels like it’s to his advantage. Manipulation is the first thought when it comes to Pioli and his boss man Clark Hunt when it comes to dealing with the media, the fans and anybody else they are threatened by in the process of bungling their way to being the NFL’s worst team through six weeks of the season.

All of this is to say that a 22-33 record and the entire Chiefs Nation screaming for his head are seeds that Pioli sowed himself. Karma is a very powerful thing and it’s bitten him in the butt.

Again, I give him credit for speaking and not hiding the way he did in 2009, 2010 and 2011. He’s also smart enough to know that he wasn’t going to say anything and that no matter what he said short of “I quit” was going to make the fans happy. This is the NFL and there are no points for trying, only points for delivering.

Here’s some of what he had to say and our thoughts on the matter:

– When asked where he thought the reports originated about his having talked contract extension with Hunt, Pioli said: “I don’t waste energy on that stuff.”

That’s a real knee slapper because nobody wastes more energy spinning the media backdoor than Pioli. He has his little group of folks that he’s quick to spread rumor with (Peter King, Pro Football Talk, Adam Schefter) at any time or place. If there’s one thing Pioli has done in four years is waste a lot of energy on things that don’t matter.

“This isn’t about me and my contractual situation. This is about getting the team right.”

Whether he’s considered it or not quite possibly the answer to getting this team right is his contract situation – its termination.

– On the team’s quarterback situation:  “There’s a lot of issues and that position is one of them.”

Stop the presses! This is as far as Pioli is going to go in giving us an indication that his unshakable support of Matt Cassel is on shifting ground right now. Had he brought in any real competition over the last four years for Cassel to compete against, maybe the issues today would be very different.

– On the job Romeo Crennel has done: “I think he’s doing a good job of handling this football team in a tough set of circumstances right now.”

This is spoken like Crennel had no impact on the “tough set of circumstances.” Invariably it becomes a standard motto in pro football: success has many fathers, defeat is an orphan. This 1-5 record is on Pioli, Crennel, his staff and the players. When you are the worst team in the NFL, there’s plenty of blame to pass around. Crennel didn’t just stumble into this; he helped cause it.

“I think Tyson Jackson is playing well. I think Eric Berry has made an impact. I think Tony Moeaki has made an impact. Right now there’s clearly not enough players making an impact.”

That last sentence is the most truth that he spoke on Wednesday. How well Jackson is playing is debatable. Berry and Moeaki made an impact, but that was in 2010. In 2012 they have been a shadow of their production two years ago.

There are not many players on this 2012 Chiefs team that are producing on the field. But among those that have done the most – Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, Justin Houston and Brandon Flowers on defense; Branden Albert, Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe on offense and Dustin Colquitt on special teams – only one was added to the roster by Pioli – Houston.

“I think the Chiefs franchise is in much better shape than when we got here.”

It’s hard to believe those words could be spoken by Pioli with a straight face. He still believes he’s brought something special to the Hunt Family team, despite all evidence to the contrary. 22-33 equals better shape? The man is delusional.


34 Responses to “So Did Pioli Say Anything? … Thursday Cup O’Chiefs”

  • October 17, 2012  - Patrick Moran says:

    Great read Bob… This is what reporting use to be like…
    Couple of thoughts, New England is Tom Brady and the darn Tuck rule, period.
    Two things that has always bothered me, 1) when cassell came to KC and he’s in the building and they introduce him on speaker phone 2) taking the Ring of Honor out of Arrowhead in the 1st place. Too late now to show you “listening to the fans.”
    Just a thought, but about 1 1/2 years ago, when I first heard Los Angeles was talking with teams to come to LA, i just had this bad gut feeling that little boy Clark would be the guy who moved the team. Pray to heck that never happens but Money and what’s going to be promised to that new owner has much power… just a thought!


  • October 17, 2012  - Johnfromwichita says:

    Bob, notice Pioli says the “Chiefs franchise” is in much better shape. Not Chiefs team.

    Sad thing, he’s probably right. The franchise is flush with unspent dollars flying back to Dallas. The Chiefs team, however, has fallen apart. Just too many, I guess, empty gum wrappers on the floor.

    Now I hear they’re trying to trade Bowe to Miami. Hell, why not. Load up the next plane to Dallas.


  • October 17, 2012  - txchief says:

    I love your perspective, Bob. I totally agree. Pioli has mismanaged the team. He’s distant and shields himself from criticism. I have defended him in the past, but this season has proven that he is not the right person to turn around the Chiefs franchise.

    Clark Hunt must make some tough decisions, hopefully with the assistance of someone that has a history of winning and some dedication to the KC football tradition. Someone like Marty.

    Various media outlets have reported that Dwayne Bowe wants out of KC (to move to Miami), and that the the Chiefs have a list potential GM replacements. I wish Bowe would stay and thrive under a new QB prospect, but if he wants out, the Chiefs need to hold up the Dolphins NOW for at least a first rounder in exchange. Bowe’s value is still high at this point. If he’s injured as a result of an errant throw from an inaccurate QB, his trade worth could approach zero quickly.

    While they’re at it, go ahead and see what can be had in exchange for Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey during this season, as there are several teams desperate for DL help. A fire sale is in order.

    Drastic change is needed at Arrowhead. It’s hard to fire a coach during the season, but this is prime time to let Pioli go before he and his minions have a chance to botch the next draft.


  • October 17, 2012  - FearTheKingdom says:

    I kind of agree with Pioli at the end of the article. Multiple pro bowlers on offense and defense. Herm never did. Though I am severely disappointed with the team this year, I, like most, feel like that they are simply direction and a QB away from being real good. When Herm was here, this whole organization circled the drain for 3 years with no positives in sight. Now, theres hope that being better won’t take much. His talent miscalculations led his loyalty to Cassel’s fault. The turnovers, the turnovers, the turnovers.


  • October 17, 2012  - johnfromfairfax says:

    The most remarkable thing about this team is the downward trajectory it has taken since Junior and Pioli’s arrival. Say what you want about Haley but the team never quit on him like it has Crennel. He also turned in a 10-6 record and got them to the playoffs with quite a few pieces still missing from the club. Pioli fired him and installed Romeo despite an unremarkable HC resume and the fact he has a lifetime losing record as a head coach. I suppose if we keep losing the next step will be to turn on and fire Crennel and attempt to blame him for what Pioli has done himself. At least Romeo is a decent man in over his head. Pioli is not even a likeable individual and increasingly it appears the owner’s son, who inherited and is milking the team is equally repugnant, could care less about the fans and is not really interested in turning the franchise into a winner. Like many of you I’ve supported the team and organization for most of my life while waiting patiently to see us return to the Super Bowl. I’ve never lost my enthusiasm for my team in all those years until now. We’ll see what happens but the current state of affairs is shameful.


  • October 18, 2012  - ED J says:

    Problem I have with Pioli is when he was asked about not drafting a Qb on 810whb. He responded with answers like you have to feel out the entire roster. When he was in New England it was about getting good players at all positions not just Qb. Its almost as if he doesn’t want to credit Tom Brady for his success in New England but the fact he put this great roster together. The bottom line is his inability to admit you need a good to elite QB to win in today’s NFL shows me the guy still doesn’t get it. He still think he can build this great roster and compliment it with an average Qb. What he doesn’t understand is if you have a good QB he can make up for not having a good oline. Or average receivers or average running backs.

    That in itself lets me know Hunt needs to move on get somebody that lives in reality. Pioli still thinks this is 90s where you can run ball and play great defense and win championships. This is 2012 not 1992 in this day and age bottom line you need a top shelf Qb to win. Trying to win with running game and defense only is like trying get by in today’s world without understanding of how to use the internet or cell phone.


  • October 18, 2012  - milkman says:

    I guess I just don’t get it. (Great article, by the way Bob). Why have so many people talked about all the talent we have on this team? Not just fans, but also so-called experts who either on their t.v. shows or on their blogs who picked the Chiefs to win their division at the beginning of the season?

    Other than a few good players scattered on both sides of the ball, from the outset it has baffled me where everyone gets that this team should be a playoff contender. Is this a result of Pioli’s influence with the media behind the scenes? Maybe it was the Packer’s game last year. The game where the players finally got out from under Haley’s doghouse and were so fired up about it that they defeated a real elite team- the only defeat suffered in the regular season by that team.

    Is this where Pioli made his second bad decision on who should coach this team? We’ll never know because as Bob points out, Pioli will never tell us anything of substance. He is still under the assumption we are all just a bunch of midwestern hillbillies who will by anything coming out of his mouth, even if it is nothing but hot air.

    Anyone who thought they could listen to Pioli yesterday and learn anything relevant was being delusional theirselves. Wouldn’t it be nice to hear Pioli or Hunt have an honest conversation about this team? The few times Lamar would give out interviews at least you felt he was being honest.

    The fans are so disconnected from this team compared to years past that apathy is starting to creep in. Twenty years ago I’d have never dreamed it possible. But you can’t keep treating the ones who truly love this team like the current regime is doing and expect them to have the same passion that made them shell out all the money they did and yell at the tops of their lungs at every home game without asking, “What the hell are you people doing to my favorite team?”

    If Hunt doesn’t do something about this no later than the end of this season, I’m afraid no one will care enough to ask.


  • October 18, 2012  - R W says:

    Kudos to Bob for giving Pioli the old bony middle finger, re: “We did not dine at the Pioli trough…”

    This Chief’s franchise has a far different feel to it for me personally ever since Pioli arrived on the scene. Well, that also can be attributed to Jr. Hunt taking over for his late father. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the Chiefs used to be deep in my blood.

    Today, thanks to the Pioli/Hunt tandem? It’s quickly becoming just another team and one I’m having a tough time identifying with in terms of passionate followership and all the past memories when the pulse was quickened right before kickoff and on into the game itself.

    Last Sunday, I sat in the stands at Tampa and felt hardly anything. Anything except hateful feelings toward the leaders of the franchise that have sat idly by and let the team morph into the bottom feeder it is today.

    The only way to reclaim any sense of loyalty from me is something unlikely to happen: Pioli/Jr. Hunt quit and let someone else have a chance. Again, highest praise to Bob for not participating in the Pioli media ass kissing.


  • October 18, 2012  - ChuckXX says:

    I could write a novel about now on this whole fiasco. On top of it all I read a report this morning that our beloved Dwayne Bowe wants out of Kansas City BADLY. It wouldn’t surprise me. Jared Allen wanted out. Tony G. wanted out. Do you see a pattern here???????


  • October 18, 2012  - el cid says:

    We are all sounding very reasonable this morning. To bad we cannot get our view known to Clark hunt.

    Fear the Kingdom, the probowlers on the team were in 2010. That is when they made their mark. This year there is no one but the punter playing at a decent level. And the Chiefs brought in another punter to see what he had, go figure?

    Long way to go this year, the Chiefs will win again. Do not know who or when but the law of averages says them must.

    The off season will tell us a lot about the future of the Hunt Chiefs. Continue down this road with Pioli and his plan and we have to consider the un-considerable. Team is cutting ties to KC for a move to greener pastures. But we are not there yet. Maybe if they tweak the coaching, get an elite QB, keep their free agent veterans (I am thinking they ALL walk), trade Bowe for something – well this team can be average for a couple of years. 7-9 to 9-7 and a playoff game every couple of year is all we can expect from this owner. Got to be satisfied with that.


  • October 18, 2012  - Tenand6 says:

    This piece alone is worth the price of a subscription.

    Fantastic.


  • October 18, 2012  - jimbo says:

    The frustration that surrounds this teams fan base is rising like a loaf of bread. The pitch forks are sharpened. Someone at 1 arrowhead drive should be seen leaving carrying a suitcase.
    I’m not one to point blame on others when I have my own questionable decisions to deal with. Pioli is morphing into the Big Bad Wolf and us fans are stuck protecting Little Red Riding Hood and The Three Little Pigs. The sad part is the vocal angst of lifelong Chiefs fans wanting to burn their collection of Chiefs memorabilia with Scott Pioli slowly turning & roasting on a stick above it. Thats right the heat is on high and someone needs to get out of the kitchen.
    I can’t recall a more disappointing start to a season than this one. My optimism and expectations were very high. I know…I know… when it comes to the Chiefs I should have known better. Needless to say the season is a joke our team is a joke and nobody in Chiefs Kingdom is laughing. I want every week to be our bye week. I want it to be April again. I want a refund from this franchise. Not just monetary, I want my spirit back, I want my time back. I want to be free again.
    You know what really scares the hell out of me? I really mean it.
    Go Chiefs.


  • October 18, 2012  - Petey says:

    Damn Bob…well done. It’s really to bad that no one on the chiefs staff, save a low-level, unpaid intern, will read this.


  • October 18, 2012  - Petey says:

    You know it’s bad when Bob writes a piece like this about Pioli and Ed doesn’t rip him a new one.

    I’m sorry to see that you’ve been flipped to the dark side as well Ed…none of us like to be here.


  • October 18, 2012  - jimmydee says:

    Pioli is a man of many words, not necessarily a man OF his word. Same can be said for Clark Hunt. Nuff said.


  • October 18, 2012  - SteveO says:

    Great article, Bob. Two points stand out from your writing and all the comments: 1) With 4 years nearly completed, the production of the Pioli draft choices pales in comparison to the players drafted by Herm and Peterson; and 2) Pioli’s fatal flaw is that he can’t admit a mistake, beginning with his refusal to recognize that Cassell, who is a great human being and hard worker, isn’t the talent that Pioli thought.


  • October 18, 2012  - ED J says:

    My thing is with Pioli is I giving him credit for the talent he’s put in KC. Problem is he failed at the 2 most important positions on the team. Head coach and QB. Lets look at head coach he’s too stubborn not wanting to give up some of his say so on personnel to guys like Jeff Fisher or Brian Billick so he’ll only be able to work with former Patriot guys who may not even be qualified to be a head coach (Romeo Crennel).

    Then their is his philosphy on the quarterback. To say you feel its no different than any of the other positions on the team is misguided and foolish. In today’s NFL you need a good quarterback to be a contender. Did Pioli not watch how Peyton Manning brought Broncos from down 24pts in a game. You don’t do that with a Matt Cassel level quarterback or Alex Smith level quarterback. That being said is the reason I’m off the PIoli bandwagon. This experience have served Clark Hunt well I commend him for getting the best guy on the market at the time because for what it was worth he was a guy very sought after back in 2008.

    Fast forward to today it wasn’t the best hire. Going forward I think Hunt needs to hire the head coach first and make sure he understands the value of a QB in today’s NFL. To me go hire a Brian Billick and then go get QB and GM that willing to work with the head coach.


  • October 18, 2012  - johnfromfairfax says:

    With all due respect Ed you make some good points but there’s a reason Brian Billick is an analyst watching games and not a head coach in the NFL or on anyone’s short list to become their head coach. Thanks again Bob for another great on the mark post. I agree with Tenand6 completely.


  • October 18, 2012  - ED J says:

    Johnfromfairfax with all due respect he’s doing same thing as Gruden and Cowher so what’s the difference they all have Super Bowl rings.


  • October 18, 2012  - Greg says:

    RW, thanks! You put into words exactly what I’ve been feeling… that disconnect. I despise pioli and jr. hunt for this. I mean I’ve been through some lean years with this team, but I’ve never lost that passion. These guys are managing to do just that and I don’t see it getting any better with the direction they are going.

    Hunt’s probably not going anywhere, but pioli needs to be sent packing. It’s going to get to the point where this team is playing for a mostly empty stadium and that’s just sad for this once proud franchise.


  • October 18, 2012  - johnfromfairfax says:

    Ed,
    I’ve never been much of a Billick fan and just not sure that he’s seen as a hot commodity around the league. Cowher left of his own accord and is a guy that many would like to see back coaching and always comes up when vacancies are discussed. Gruden gets mentioned but I’m not sure I’d want him anymore than Billick but that’s just my humble opinion. I don’t think anything’s happening for a while though and the one that needs to go first is the one talking and saying nothing to try to quiet the restless and I’d rather not have him pick anybody.


  • October 19, 2012  - milkman says:

    Another example of the Chief’s disconnection from their fans:

    Living in Springfield where the Missouri Sports Hall of Fame is located, while talking to the director personally, a good friend of mine asked him why we don’t see as many Chiefs being honored as in years past. His comments were that Clark Hunt does not embrace this institution like his father did. He went on to say that Lamar bent over backwards to accomodate the M.S.H.O.F. because he thought it was important for the fans.

    It is very disturbing to think that Clark Hunt does not see the value in this fan base. This is just one example. Yes, he does own the team and reserves the right to do whatever he wants with it. It’s a shame though if he can’t see how important it is to a lot of people. To him I’m sure it’s a bottom line business. To us though, it’s much more than that. It’s a connection to our past, something we can use to get away from day to day problems for a few hours a week. A way to forget about problems that Clark Hunt has NEVER had to worry about.

    Lamar was a very rich man, but you’d never know it by the way he treated others. It’s starting to look like Clark did not inherit that fine trait from him.


  • October 19, 2012  - txchief says:

    I’m sure I’ll be roundly criticized for making a somewhat political comment, but there are some interesting comparisons to be made between the great team builder Scott Pioli and our illustious President Barry Sotero.

    Both are supremely arrogant and aloof.

    They both seem to believe that it is beneath them to have to meet with the media and answer any type of challenging question.

    Both believe that their views and policies are always correct.

    They seem to be unwilling to listen to others for advice.

    Neither can engage in an honest disagreement, so others with different opinions must either be lying or ignorant.

    This list could go on and on, but I’ve said enough. Fire away, but understand I’m not really a Mitt Romney fan. I actually will be voting Libertarian.


  • October 19, 2012  - spellchecker says:

    Great article, Bob. Great posts from a few of you fans, too; you know who you are.

    Romeo Crennel–not the best choice for head coach; but also not the worst coach ever. He got the job by his willingness to be a yes man and team player and that played a big part in Pioli naming him as coach.

    I am not shedding a tear for Romeo. Romeo signed on to this fiasco and is presiding over it along with the other two dummies.

    What I fear most is that some fans and Clark Hunt will want to make Romeo the sacrificial lamb and give Pioli another chance to set the Chiefs back by allowing him to choose the next quarterback for the Chiefs.

    Clark needs to admit he made a mistake and cut bait. That is the sign of a good leader.

    As pointed out by Bob and some other astute posters this team is lacking talent–Justin Houston being the ONLY difference maker acquired by Pioli. The rest of the impact players were drafted by HERMAN EDWARDS and CARL PETERSON.

    One player symbolizes Pioli’s futility and inability to judge talent–Dexter McCluster. Dexter has made a couple of impact plays–the kickoff return and the catch of the hail Mary pass. He is not a bad player if he were a 7th round draft choice or free agent. As it is he is getting more passes thrown his way than Jon Baldwin–a first round selection who is spoiling Pioli’s plan to get rid of Bowe by looking more and more like a bust–or Steve Breaston–a proven player. Dexter does not break tackles or make anybody miss; and he only runs a 4.6 forty.

    I must admit that I thought that Matt Cassel could be a decent enough facilitator to allow the Chiefs to reach their goals. Pioli has undermined him almost every year–first by allowing Haley to fire Chan Gailey, then by allowing Haley to run Charlie Weis out of town. I know now that it is not going to happen with Cassell. It is time to move on. What has Pioli done to make anybody think he can turn this around?


  • October 19, 2012  - johnfromfairfax says:

    Good post spellchecker and the answer to your last question is, nothing.


  • October 19, 2012  - cychief24 says:

    Good comments by many here (although I seriously thought txchief was referring to Romney until I got to the end).

    Bob- I understand the venom towards Pioli, I just hope you don’t burn bridges with Clark.

    No need to reference the Chiefs moving. They have a 25 year lease.

    After taking some time to reflect, I really feel the bulk of the problem is at Head Coach and QB. As much as I have supported them here they have failed miserably. The team is being dominated in the 1st quarter every week. Cassel has digressed to be the lowest rated starter in the NFL.

    From my seats I can see Romeo has basically become DC during games leaving the offense to Daboll. Romeo didn’t even see the 2 horrible calls vs. the Ravens, Daboll and the kid WR coach were the ones yelling at the “replaceable” refs.

    If I was Clark I would meet in person with Marty and ask for advice/help.

    If I were Pioli I would meet in person with his father-in-law and ask for advice/help.

    IMO, it comes down to whether the owner wants to give his GM a 3rd chance to hire a good/great HC or whether he wants to start all over again.

    I do agree with Bill Maas. This team reminds me of the ’88 Chiefs. There is a base of talent here. With the right HC it could be a quick turnaround like Marty accomplished. We would have made the playoffs his first year ’89 under the current system. We did in ’90-’95 and ’97.


  • October 19, 2012  - johnfromfairfax says:

    I agree with cy that there is base of good players to build from and a relatively quick turnaround could be accomplished. Although I unfortunately don’t think Clark Hunt will bring Marty back I couldn’t see Marty ever coming to the team as HC with Pioli in the GM spot. I think Marty would want more control over personnel and believe if given the opportunity he could surround himself with the right people and handle both well. When he came to Washington in a similar circumstance his first move was to fire GM Vinny Cerrato. When Snyder prematurely fired Marty, Snyder’s first move was to rehire his personal stooge and raquetball partner Vinny Cerrato.


  • October 19, 2012  - txchief says:

    Cy, perhaps all politicians might fall under the compoarisons I made. I prefer neither this fall, as both are nearly equally bad for our country. Our relative perceptions may differ, but we all agree that Pioli needs to exit the scene in KC.


  • October 19, 2012  - Johnfromwichita says:

    JFF, I don’t want Marty as HC. He needs to be GM.


  • October 20, 2012  - milkman says:

    Everyone on here who says our biggest problems are at head coach and quarterback are exactly right. But as long as Pioli is here, we will never be able to correct either problem.

    A strong man who is also a good head coaching candidate will never come here and work for Pioli. The only ones who will work for him as someone else pointed out are yes men. And Pioli has never drafted a quarterback higher than the 3rd round. If it hadn’t been for dumb luck, Pioli (or Belichick too for that matter) wouldn’t have had the success in New England that he did. And we all know his track record since being here when it comes to drafting high in the first round. Hardly anything spectacular.

    So yes, the head coach and quarterback positions are the most glaring needs for this team…on the field. We just don’t have the right person now to pick the next ones.


  • October 20, 2012  - johnfromfairfax says:

    I tend to agree JFW but would be okay with Marty coaching and serving as GM and then bringing in his successor. It’s all wishful thinking anyway since we have no clue what will happen and I seriously doubt Clark Hunt will fire Pioli and eat the rest of his contract and start over. I could live with Marty as GM or both GM and coach. I could also see Bill Cowher in the same scenario. I wonder if Cowher would coach with Marty as GM. That could be a great pairing if they could make it work. I still think nothing happens for a while as Hunt and his failed GM try to ride the storm out until their next calamity. I also don’t see how any of the scenarios we’re discussing could be any worse than what we have now. Go Pioli! No, I mean it really. Go, far far away from KC and don’t come back.


  • October 20, 2012  - ED J says:

    Let me disagree with so of you about player Pioli drafted. For the most part he has assemble some talented players. Most them its too early in their careers to see if that leads to production. Normally most draft experts says it takes 3-4 years before you can definitively say whether someone is good player or a bust. Alot of these guys were just drafted so its too early to say anything about these guys. The only draft class you can truly judge is 2009 draft. Tjax is a good defensive end but he has not lived up to being the #3 pick in the 1st rd of the draft. Succop turned out to be really good pick. Belcher for being undrafted guy is contributing.

    Guys like Baldwin, Hudson, Allen, Moeaki, Berry, etc still need couple more years before we can say any of them are busts. Houston is a early bloomer but just because he’s coming on early in his career we can’t expect everybody learning curve to be that way. I mean everyone learns at a differnt pace. I get it though. I mean if we go back to 2 years into DJ or Hali career we would’ve been calling those guys busts. So honestly core of the team should be the guys Bob mention because we’re 4 years or more into those guys careers.

    I get it though when their is a witch hunt for someone whether what you’re saying about them is rational or not you’re going to say it. Because as fans we’re fed up. I just like to look at any situation with perspective. So to be fair his draft picks still wait and see. Now what we can blame Pioli for is failing at head coach and quarterback.

    To me finding the right 53 clouded his judgment on finding quarterback and the right head coach. You can have a team full of talent like we have but if you fail at hiring the two most important positions on the team. Then in the long run you’ll find yourself in the position Pioli is in now. Eventually, what will happen is someone else will hire the right head coach and get a franchise quarterback and go on to win with that same team.


  • October 20, 2012  - johnfromfairfax says:

    So let’s see. In this revisionist thinking if we continue to suck and Pioli get’s fired and another GM comes in and picks a coach who can coach and a QB who can quarterback and wins the super bowl, Pioli gets the credit because he did such a good job of selecting the players who will be on the team. Let’s call this Neo-Pat thinking. In this line of reasoning how many very high first round picks do you get to whiff on? How many of your own players that develop and you let leave because you don’t want to pay them what the market deems them to be worth, QB crises that lose ball games happen and how many retread Patriot players do you get to bring in before your credibility is shot? As I guess I make clear each time I post I’ve seen enough.


  • October 20, 2012  - cychief24 says:

    I think as STH, we need to boycott the last 2 games like we did in ’88. We need Superfan Ed Beiler back on the KC radio leading this.




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