Comments on: Shuffling the Numbers/Rushing

By: colby

colby — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:48:46 +0000

Clark Hunt learned a valuable lesson this season. He can’t just let his GM and coaches dump a slop bucket of undeveloped, athletically lacking players onto the football field, stay 30 million under the cap and expect to make money. KC fans stopped showing up for games and good for them. Clark found out that you get what you pay for. Chiefs fans are loyal, but (most of them) are not stupid. Give us a team that is competitive and we will fill the stadium. Anything less than 100% effort to reach the Super Bowl EVERY YEAR should not be tolerated. We want to be champions. I can’t believe Clark stood by and let Herm crap a year away.

I don’t think he’ll let this kind of thing happen again.

By: tm1946

tm1946 — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:42:44 +0000

Herm is probably a good DB coach, maybe a D Coor. I doubt he has any idea of what to do with the ball on the offensive side. He went crazy in KC. Why, I do not know? I believe this is the first franchise that KNOWINGLY decided to go to a expansion type roster to rebuild. I wonder where he got the idea, how he convinced clark and carl to do it, and WHY he thought it had any chance to succeed? Where herm goes or not, it is just to bad for KC fans who did not have to go thru this mess.

By: colby

colby — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:27:39 +0000

I think Clark is too smart to risk that tm1946. If they start over with an exciting new GM and coach, I think most fans will tolerate a no playoff team next year so long as there is a promising product on the field. I highly doubt Herm will produce anything better than mediocrity.

By: tm1946

tm1946 — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:27:41 +0000

Because of clark’s style, most of the media is blowing smoke as opposed to saying nothing about the KC situation. No real problem with that but is clark still moving forward? He apparently decided to waste the carl 2 week notice to make a move. I still think there is a distinct possibility Bill K for GM/ Lynn Stiles for pres and we get to keep herm for another year. Heard one interesting comment from Tim Grundhart – What happens if herm fails again next year? NFL history says when a team gets in a downhill spiral most coaches do not survive to fix it. Can the KC chiefs and fans sit through a repeat of this year, Tim did not think so.

By: colby

colby — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:47:00 +0000

tm1946

Going in a new direction wouldn’t bother me a bit. I wouldn’t mind seeing KC trade Derrick Johnson. He’s in the last year of his deal and I’d imagine he has some value to the tune of a 2nd rounder. He’s been an okay player, but I’m starting to think that’s all he’ll ever be. It’s too bad. I was extremely excited when he fell to the Chiefs at pick 15 back in 2005. Many had him pegged to go to the Browns at pick 3 but he just kept on sliding in favor of LBs with more pass rushing potential like Ware and Merriman. I thought DJ would be a bigger Donnie Edwards and one of the steals of that draft, but alas, it never transpired.

I doubt Surtain has any trade value. Same for Huard. Those two will probably be outright cut. Not sure if we could get anything for McIntosh but it’s worth a shot. Same for LJ. Who knows, we might even sneak a pick out of JP Darche if a team looses a LS to retirement or alien abduction.

I would hate to see the Chiefs part ways with Brian Waters or Tony Gonzalez. I think they are the only two “old guys” who are indispensable to this organization. I mentioned before that the Pats have done great work making trades. I’ll bet that’s Pioli’s work. If he’s our new GM, I’d guess we’d all be surprised by what a competent wheeler and dealer can do.

Michael Smith at ESPN apparently thinks the Chiefs are going to hire Marty as a consultant, Jimmy Raye Jr as GM and Cam Cameron as head coach. I’ll give any combo that isn’t Carl/Herm a shot in the dark but I’d be terribly disappointed if that was the hire that’s made. Two guys with old KC ties and a coach that went 1-15 a year ago.

Hopefully Michael Smith is just full of hot air.

By: tm1946

tm1946 — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:13:19 +0000

Fine idea would never have happened with carl but a new gm could pull it off. colby, what do you think of getting rid of last veterans to go in a new direction with new coaches? I feel this team has been reduced to an expansion team so maybe we do not keep a player over 5 years in the league.

By: colby

colby — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:43:00 +0000

Jeff Chadiha over at ESPN predicts that New England might be interested in LJ this offseason. He offers no speculation as to LJ’s value, but perhaps we could swap backs with them and trade LJ for Laurence Maroney. Maroney doesn’t seem to be one of Belichick’s favorite players and they might want to part ways with the former 1st round pick. Perhaps both RBs would get their careers going in the right direction again with a change in scenery?

By: tm1946

tm1946 — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:07:16 +0000

The chiefs keep LJ. They are committed to the money, he has no trade value (why give up anything when you can sign him free, if the chiefs release him), and management wants to show the public they know what they are doing, even with new guys.

It really comes down to the decision to turn this team into a expansion squad with not enough talent, to bad because this could all have turned out differently.

By: Scott

Scott — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:33:32 +0000

If it wasn’t for Thigpen scrambling…I’d say KC would be in that bottom 10.

As for playoff teams from the bottom 10? You can do that if you have receivers like Bolden and Fitgerald…or a QB like Manning.

Until we get our running game back, the offense will continue to struggle. Geez…we used to ALWAYS have a good running game.

By: colby

colby — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:29:35 +0000

Actually, what we got for Michael Bennett was not a 5th rounder. We got a 7th rounder for Ryan Sims from TB and then when we traded Bennett to them later on, the pick was upgraded to a 6th rounder. We would have gotten an additional 7th this year pending on Bennett’s playing time but he hardly did anything for TB this year and finished the season with SD. Not much in the way of compensation.

That being said, LJ will turn 30 before the season starts and is making big money. If he was willing to take a pay cut, then perhaps a team would take a flier on him, but I’d imagine it would be for a conditional pick in 2010 based on his playing time. In other words, if he gets suspended again, we’d get little or nothing. Sort of like the poison pill the Cowboys worked out when they traded for PacMan. They gave up a 4th to Tennessee for him, but if he got suspended (which of course he did) Tennessee would have to send back a 5th in 2009. Even though PacMan continued to embarrass himself, the Cowboys didn’t have to give up much for him as a result.

Long story short, if our new GM gets ANYTHING for LJ in a trade then he’s a freaking genius. I’d say getting more than a 5th will be a challenge.

By: MenInRed

MenInRed — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:11:08 +0000

Nobody will take LJ with his big money deal that King Carl gave him without redoing his contract and we all know how Proud LJ and he wont take a penny less.

By: Eli

Eli — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:12:36 +0000

I figure we’ll get a third or fourth round pick for Larry Johnson. I mean, Michael Bennett got us a fifth round pick from the Bucs last season, so who knows? Johnson would fit in very well in some schemes, and I think he’s going to do well elsewhere.

By: Dave H

Dave H — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:30:47 +0000

hey where is the great L J numbers probaly to busy with the nightlife and crying about its time for him to go well it must be time for the big money player that contributed less than a thousand yds and all that money to a guy that cant catch the ball if anybody wants him we will probaly have to pay them with our top draft pick lj has NOT been the same since the hold out he couldnt break a tackle even if it was a tackle dummy he would graze it and fall down we are stuck with a bust called L J