Saturday Morning Cup O’Super Bowl
From Tampa, Florida
By the time this post hits the site, the doors will be closed and the discussion, deliberations and voting will have begun on the Class of 2009 for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
There will be 44 voters in that room, along with about a half-dozen folks from the Hall of Fame in Canton.
I will be there with them, making it 14 years that I’ve taken part in this process. I consider it one of the greatest honors of my career. The voters are members of the sports media who have covered pro football for a number of years. There is one voter for each franchise in the league and then a group of at-large voters. Some have been on the committee for decades; this year we will have more new faces than any year I can remember with five.
Part of the duties as a representative of a team city is that when a player is a finalist, the voter from that city presents his credentials. It’s not one of those rousing nominating speeches you might here at a political convention. It’s simply a presentation of the man’s career and his accomplishments.
I will make the presentation for Derrick Thomas. I’ve learned over time that when a player keeps coming up for induction, it really becomes just a matter of time. That’s the case with D.T. He is going to get into the Hall of Fame at some point. In my opinion, it should have happened five years ago, but that’s obviously not the opinion of the necessary 80 percent of my fellow voters.
Just for your eyes only, here’s a preview of my presentation. It may change on the fly, but this is ultimately what I’ll say to the room:
I think the time is right for Derrick Thomas. He was the impact defensive player of his generation. The numbers and testimony is there to back up that claim and as we try to address the imbalance between offense and defense in our inductees, it’s time for Derrick Thomas.
He had an impact on the Chiefs franchise, the players he played with and those he played against. He was a defensive player that changed the games he played in each week.
I’ve quoted before and will again if anybody would like to hear, the comments from coaches like Marv Levy, Dan Reeves, Mike Shanahan, Tom Flores, Art Shell, Jim Fassel and Bill Cowher, along with quarterbacks like John Elway, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon and Steve Young about the effect Thomas had on game preparation and during the game itself.
Just yesterday I spoke again with Cowher, who coached Thomas for three years and then spent eight years as an opponent. He might have put it best: Thomas wasn’t just a game changer, he was a game plan changer. Opponents had to alter what they did to account for him.
He had the respect of his peers, as evidenced by his nine Pro Bowls.
He had the respect of the people in this room, who elected him to the NFL team of the 1990s and voted him first or second team All-Pro seven times.
There were his 126.5 sacks in 169 games. If he had not died so young, who knows how many more he would have had and what the final total would have been. In the 1990s, nobody had more than his 116.5 sacks
But it wasn’t just the sacks, it was what came from those plays.
We hear constantly from coaches at all levels of the game about turnovers. Takeaways win games, giveaways will lose them. And by covering the sport and watching the games we know it to be true. The most important stat in football after the points scored is the turnover ratio. They are game changing plays.
And few players changed as many games as Derrick Thomas.
He forced 45 fumbles and recovered 19 fumbles.
Those 45 forced fumbles ranks him at the top of pass rushers in the league over the last 20 years.
The only other pass rusher who matched the mayhem Thomas created with his 45 fumbles caused was Bruce Smith. I think we all have a pretty good idea of where Smith stands as he comes into this room for the first and last time today.
Smith forced 45 fumbles as well. But Bruce Smith did that in 110 more games than Thomas. He played 19 seasons; Thomas played 11.
In his 11 seasons, the Chiefs were a combined plus-120 on the turnover ratio. The second place team in that time was the New York Giants at plus 69.
Few pass rushers put points on the scoreboard like Thomas. He scored four touchdowns on fumble returns. Only two NFL players had more, with five each.
He scored three safeties; only two NFL players had more, with four each.
Plus, there were six other scores that came off the fumbles he caused, five touchdowns and safety.
So Derrick Thomas changed the momentum of games, changed the field position battle, changed possession of the football and on top of all that he put points on the scoreboard for his team, while limiting the points of his opponent.
He was most definitely an impact player. He did it with his overall play. He did it with his sacks. He did it by causing turnovers. He did it by putting points on the scoreboard and he did all of those things as well as player in the game’s recent history.
The time is right for Derrick Thomas.
COUNTDOWN TO SUPER BOWL – 1 DAY AWAY
A lengthy look at Mike Tomlin and how he rolled into Pittsburgh, replaced a legend in Bill Cowher and has thrived.
In Washington, the new president and vice-president know who they are rooting for on Sunday.
In Tampa this week, a couple of NFL greats visited a VA hospital and if there’s not a lump in your throat at some point in reading this story, have someone check to make sure you are still alive.
COACHING/FRONT OFFICE UPDATE
EAGLES – Moved Rory Segrest from special teams coach to defensive line coach. Named Ted Daisher special teams coach. Moved James Urban from offensive quality control to quarterbacks coach.
RAMS – Named Kevin Demoff as the executive vice-president of football operations. Demoff had been the assistant to the GM in Tampa. St. Louis hired former Mississippi State head coach Sylvester Croom as running backs coach.
FROM THE PAGES OF SUPER BOWL HISTORY

On January 31, 1999, the Denver Broncos beat the Atlanta Falcons 34-19 in Super Bowl XXXIII at Pro Player Stadium in Miami. A crowd of 74,803 watched the Broncos win their second straight Super Bowl title, led by quarterback John Elway. Appearing in his final game, the leader of the Broncos earned MVP honors by throwing for 336 yards and running for a touchdown. Thanks to a one-yard touchdown run by FB Howard Griffith and an 80-yard scoring throw from Elway to WR Rod Smith, Denver held a 17-6 lead at half-time. In the second half, Griffith scored again from the one and Elway had his three-yard TD scamper. Atlanta had troubles on offense getting just a late touchdown pass from QB Chris Chandler to WR Terance Mathis. The Falcons also got a 94-yard kickoff return for a TD from Tim Dwight. But Atlanta’s offense was stymied in the second half by a pair of interceptions by CB Darrien Gordon. Overall, the Falcons had seven trips inside the Broncos 30-yard line, and scored just one touchdown and two field goals. Elway was 18 of 29 for 336 yards. RB Terrell Davis ran 25 times for 102 yards and Smith had five catches for 152 yards.
SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO …
One of the first players to sign with the franchise, wide receiver Chris Burford
(left), who was born on January 31, 1938 in Oakland, California. Burford was the first college player to sign with the Dallas Texans in 1960 and he ended up playing eight seasons with the Texans and Chiefs. He appeared in 103 games and finished his career with 391 receptions for 5,505 yards and 55 touchdown catches. Burford led the team in receiving in four of his eight seasons (1961-63 and 1965.) He caught 12 touchdown passes in the 1962 season, which still remains a team record. The Stanford graduate was inducted into the Chiefs Hall of Fame in 1975.
Born on January 31, 1982 in Pontiac, Michigan was current wide receiver Jeff Webb. He was a sixth-round pick of the team in 2006 and in the last three seasons, he’s caught 36 passes for 382 yards and one touchdown.
Former Chiefs punter and draft choice Jim Arnold was born on January
31, 1961 in Dalton, Georgia. He spent 12 seasons in the NFL, the first three of those with the Chiefs (1983-85) after being the team’s fifth-round choice in ’83 out of Vanderbilt. He averaged 44.9 yards in ’84 to lead the league in gross punting average.
And born on January 31, 1913 in Pine Bluff, Arkansas was Hall of Fame wide receiver Donald Roy Hutson (right). He spent 11 seasons in the NFL, playing for the Green Bay Packers. Don Hutson finished his career with 488 catches for 7,991 yards and 99 touchdown catches. He was the NFL’s receiving champion in eight seasons and was the league’s MVP in 1941 and 1942. He also was a place kicker and safety for the Packers and when he retired, he held 18 major NFL records. Don Hutson passed away in June of 1997.


Nobody disrupted a game like DT did. Period. That he’s not already in the Hall is a disgrace. And that’s just not coming from a Chiefs fan…but from a fan of the game itself.
I know that Bob puts his heart and soul into his presentation every year, and I thank him for that. I hope this is finally the year when justice is served.
I love DT too, but it all depends on who else is there. Nobody really addresses the obvious shortcomigs he had relative to other similar players that have gotten the nod – he was too one dimensional. He really didn’t play the run well or drop back. The position voted for is LINEBACKER. You have to be good at all of it to be in the HOF. The best argument to combat this is that of the turnovers. Tippett was MUCH better against the run & other areas of the game.
The person that’s gotten the shaft is Ray Guy (Raiders)…a punter, and I’m a CHIEFS fan.
Go Bob Go, push those suckers and get DT the credit & recognition he so deserves. it’s past time DT makes into Canton.
Bob we are proud of you and the Job you’ve done representing the Kansas City Chiefs & Derrick Thomas, as I am sure he would be too.
“Tim”
You must of posted at the same time as I did or I would have added this in my post as well.
Although you May have some lagit points, I am in hopes that your not a “Hater”, DT was one of very few Bright spots in KC’s history of football and all you have done is point out negative’s about DT, we all have them. Those negatives should of left with Herm last week, we need to speak and look in the positive moving forward with our soon to be New Kansas City Chiefs! It’s a new era. And as far as DT goes IMO, he stacks up with anything out there or that has ever been.
Go Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess in short I’m glad your not on the voting committee and Bob is.
Represent
ps- sorry “Tim” to much coffee this AM.
Bob,
Once again here you are representing D.T. I for one cannot thank you enough I’m sure its a honor for you. As someone who didn’t miss a play in his career I don’t comprehend why he is not in already but thanks for all of us who know. As a fan even when the Chiefs seemed to have no chance of winning a game with D.T. in a game there always was a chance. I have heard the speech’s from the coach’s and player’s some in the HOF some on the way. Every last one of them tell a story of why D.T. should be in. I’ve looked at L.T.’s stats, Bruce Smith’s stats and those like him. He has better in most and if you factor only 11yrs so per game stats Derrick Thomas is the best. Yes he was my favorite competitor of all time.
Tim,
While Tippet was a good LB and no disrespect towards him but he was not even in the running with D.T. guess you need to read Bob’s article again. Also Tippet was not a pass rusher he might have blitzed but was not a pass rusher. Also read again the part of 45 fumbles only again only pass rusher to have that many Bruce Smith but it took 110 more games to do that. Then look at the scoring records, safeties again read the article it contains facts. Also try and find the amount of coach’s that would say they actually game planned for Tippet. Teams good teams changed there game plan for D.T. specifically. The only thing Tippet was better at is Pass coverage. Teams usually did not run at D.T. it was for good reason and planned not to run at him.
Tim,
Incase you were looking it up here is your boy’s stats.
Tippett recovered 18 opponents’ fumbles during his career, tying him for first on the Patriots’ all-time list (Steve Nelson). He also forced 17 fumbles in his career. Tippett recorded 100 sacks in 151 games
D.T.’s gonna make it this yr, and deservedly so!
I was hoping to read that article on the visit to the VA but ummmmm No Links??
Hey so whats everyone’s pick for the SuperBowl.
I’m really not sure while I think the Steelers have a better Defense the Cards have been major thieves this postseason and they have the better offense. So like the other games if the Cards can not turn it over. Cards win. Should be a great game either way.
I was at a game against the raiders on or near halloween (huge full moon) and DT had 96 sacks in that game. Okay it was not 96 but I believe it was 5+. Support the run, drop back, what ever. why drop back in pass coverage when DT is going to drop the QB? The DT NS dynamic duo should be the “blue print” for our def. Those two guys changed every teams game plan. I would take DT on my football team over L Taylor any day. LT was an unguided missile and DT had a homing device. (JMO)
I would like to see Warner & Card’s win the big one, it would be iceing on the cake to the Cinderella Story of Warner, he would ware it well & Represent.
I dont get it, DT’s stats are better for anyone but LT. DT did it quicker too.
If they don’t wanna here stats, the testimonials from hall of fame qbs/coaches should be enough.
If they don’t wanna take those people for thier word, there is the dyamic of DT. How he changed gameplans, caused havoc. I grew up watching him, when the chiefs were in a spot i could see it coming. DT would shut that *#*# down.
Weak against the run? maybe if ran straight at, but i remember time and again him coming backside so quick as to catch a runner before a yard or two. Our run D was very stellar and i dont see any of those linebackers up for the hall.
Still remember him signaling safety, then making it happen. *chills.
Best of luck Bob. We’ll keep our fingers crossed!
MenInRed – No worries. I understand. I’ve had a little coffee too!
I’m not saying DT isn’t deserving. I’m not saying he wasn’t a great player. What I am saying is that its pretty apparent why he hasn’t gotten in yet. Its because of too many other people are looking at him the same way AND the choices they’ve had at the time. I really thought he should’ve made it over Fred Dean.
I’m not a “Hater” as one poster was hoping I wasn’t. I LOVE the Chiefs & am a season ticket holder.
On a side note – The only thing constant is change. Price Chopper has dropped off as one of the Chief’s promoters. Now it is Hy Vee. Horse is gone, the band is gone, now Chopper. O well, things change. Might suggest the rat (KC wolf) and cheerleaders also go.
Hope Derrick makes it. Always like the way he played the game.
Regardless if DT put on any more stats to what he has, if he had simply survived that accident. Theres no way those guys would have the balls to not vote for DT and then look him in the eye afterward. Its a lot easier to not vote for someone when hes not around.
He’s in! Great job Bob and thank you for all your hard work over the years to get this done.
happy birthday jeff webb. now get off the team please.
I just checked the NFL.com site, this is the headline:
Headed to the Hall
Bruce Smith, Rod Woodson, Randall McDaniel, Bob Hayes, Derrick Thomas and Ralph Wilson were elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame on Saturday.
DT is in! Good Deal! Go Chiefs!
DT made it in!!! Check out NFL.com. Finally, D. Thomas is where he belongs. He’s with the best of the best.
Congratulations to the late Derrick Thomas, on being named to the Pro Bowl Hall of fame Class of 2009. “AMEN!” The prayer has been answered for DT to be in the HOF he deserves it.
Greg Cochran, Holden, MO
Tim,
You have to read Bob’s article on Jerrel Wilson, the Chiefs punter who I believe actually helped teach Ray Guy to punt. His stats are better than Guy’s over a longer career. Unfortunately he never gets mentioned because he played primarily in the AFL and was a kicker. I saw him play and his kicks were amazing. KC would have the only 2 true kickers in the Hall if justice was to be done.
Johnfromfairfax – yes, I agree w/ Wilson too. He deserves consideration as well.
I love this point: “The most important stat in football after the points scored is the turnover ratio.” Mostly because that’s exactly what I argued to justify DT’s HOF inclusion. (Although my stats were taken from pro-football-reference.com, which only attributes him 41 forced fumbles. Were 4 from the postseason?)
http://arrowminded.blogspot.com/2009/01/were-two-days-away-from-pro-football.html
Congratulations for your successful efforts in getting Derrick Thomas his just rewards. Your presentation makes his qualifications for the hall seem so obvious. Posthumous is such an unfortunate and sad adjective to add to award.
Joe L. Pgh.
P.S. Parochial inquiry: What’s the deal with Dawson.