Comments on: Rookie Head Coaches/Recap … Weekend Cup O’Chiefs http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html Dedicated to providing the best coverage of the Kansas City Chiefs. News, commentary, reports, and exclusive inside information - daily! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:27:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: HermRocked http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21599 HermRocked Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:39:31 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21599 HermRocked Gerry. HermRocked Gerry.

]]> By: SG http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21594 SG Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:54:04 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21594 "Rin, where are you coming from? I think you are wrong about Haley being fired quickly. You forget Pioli and Haley are friends and/or NFL soulmates. Thus, he & Clark will give Haley plenty of rope to hang himself. I believe Haley will do well enough to hang on for at least 4 or 5 years. My hope is for him to learn and become an excellent coach, but only time will tell." Gerry, Welcome to the land where the troll dwells. He religiously believes that Herm is the man and finds it fun to argue that "down is up" and "up is down." Don't be flustered by it. Sometimes it's fun to make light of the troll and refute some of his silly positions - but don't spend your time arguing - as the counterpoints are more important than listening to what you have to say. Trolls happen. Frustration doesn't have to. SG “Rin, where are you coming from? I think you are wrong about Haley being fired quickly. You forget Pioli and Haley are friends and/or NFL soulmates. Thus, he & Clark will give Haley plenty of rope to hang himself. I believe Haley will do well enough to hang on for at least 4 or 5 years. My hope is for him to learn and become an excellent coach, but only time will tell.”

Gerry,

Welcome to the land where the troll dwells. He religiously believes that Herm is the man and finds it fun to argue that “down is up” and “up is down.” Don’t be flustered by it. Sometimes it’s fun to make light of the troll and refute some of his silly positions – but don’t spend your time arguing – as the counterpoints are more important than listening to what you have to say.

Trolls happen. Frustration doesn’t have to.

SG

]]> By: Harry http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21521 Harry Sun, 26 Jul 2009 05:36:14 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21521 You can't tell TOO much before they actually start playin' the games, but Haley is one who wasn't thrown into a job that's bigger than he is, judging by how he's handled things. At this point he SHOULD be perceived as demanding and a little bit crusty. In his "first command," the worst thing he could do is come across like he wants to be his players' friend. He seems to be handling things very efficiently. People talk about his fiery coaching style, but I don't hear a lot of ego-serving BS from him. So I think he'll be just fine. You can’t tell TOO much before they actually start playin’ the games, but Haley is one who wasn’t thrown into a job that’s bigger than he is, judging by how he’s handled things.

At this point he SHOULD be perceived as demanding and a little bit crusty. In his “first command,” the worst thing he could do is come across like he wants to be his players’ friend. He seems to be handling things very efficiently.

People talk about his fiery coaching style, but I don’t hear a lot of ego-serving BS from him. So I think he’ll be just fine.

]]> By: Rin Tin Tin http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21520 Rin Tin Tin Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:13:36 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21520 "the best line from Rin" - is always the next great His which e'er tops the former great... "(from a lineage great intellect)" - great line - I really enjoyed that myself... "Two things that don’t go together" - Chiefs and success via :shock: & roll: "a person that says their smart" - isn't; should read "they're" 'stead o' their... "and also" - neither nor... "think Herm was a good coach." - without question I do - he was the best. :cool: daddy-o “the best line from Rin”

- is always the next great His which e’er tops the former great…

“(from a lineage great intellect)”

- great line – I really enjoyed that myself…

“Two things that don’t go together”

- Chiefs and success via :shock: & roll:

“a person that says their smart”

- isn’t; should read “they’re” ‘stead o’ their…

“and also”

- neither nor…

“think Herm was a good coach.”

- without question I do – he was the best.

:cool: daddy-o

]]> By: alex k http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21517 alex k Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:08:09 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21517 After a two win season, and with the schedule KC has, its easy to be negative like Rin. However what is "easy" doesnt always work, since the stat of 5 teams for the past 13 years that made the playoffs didnt the next year. Point? Easy would be having those same teams, easy is to say KC wont win under Haley. Its easy but its not right. After a two win season, and with the schedule KC has, its easy to be negative like Rin.

However what is “easy” doesnt always work, since the stat of 5 teams for the past 13 years that made the playoffs didnt the next year.

Point? Easy would be having those same teams, easy is to say KC wont win under Haley.

Its easy but its not right.

]]> By: Herm http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21516 Herm Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:54:46 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21516 <a href='http://img23.imageshack.us/i/9130e72a39b91e1a7ac0c07.gif/' rel="nofollow"></a>

]]> By: HermSucked http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21514 HermSucked Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:41:16 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21514 the best line from Rin (from a lineage great intellect) Two things that don't go together a person that says their smart and also think Herm was a good coach. the best line from Rin (from a lineage great intellect) Two things that don’t go together a person that says their smart and also think Herm was a good coach.

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]]> By: deliveryMan http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21511 deliveryMan Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:56:30 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21511 Dear Great Intellect, Please look up the difference between nay and nee... GO '09 CHIEFS! Dear Great Intellect,

Please look up the difference between nay and nee…

GO ’09 CHIEFS!

]]> By: Rin Tin Tin http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21509 Rin Tin Tin Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:15:30 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21509 "Rin" - yes, what is it now? "where are you coming from?" - from a lineage great intellect, southern France... "I think you are wrong about Haley being fired quickly." - Rin thinks you are wrong - :roll: s time here will be a Midget... "You forget Pioli and Haley are friends and/or NFL soulmates." - Rin forgets nothing - Herm and Carl too were same...Jr.'s $ixth $en$e made said moot, same will apply to current duo in due time... "Thus, he & Clark will give Haley plenty of rope to hang himself." - just like Herm E, who got only 3 years of his 4 year contract & more so only year one of an owner approved rebuild? No resolve = no reward. Never mistake Jr. for Job. By the way, :roll: s working under a 4 year deal too; hmm... "I believe Haley will do well enough to hang on for at least 4 or 5 years." - I do not share your phantasm... "My hope is for him to learn and become an excellent coach, but only time will tell." - Rin's hope is :roll: resigns before he has to be dragged out by the neck... :cool: daddy-o “Rin”

- yes, what is it now?

“where are you coming from?”

- from a lineage great intellect, southern France…

“I think you are wrong about Haley being fired quickly.”

- Rin thinks you are wrong – :roll: s time here will be a Midget…

“You forget Pioli and Haley are friends and/or NFL soulmates.”

- Rin forgets nothing – Herm and Carl too were same…Jr.’s $ixth $en$e made said moot, same will apply to current duo in due time…

“Thus, he & Clark will give Haley plenty of rope to hang himself.”

- just like Herm E, who got only 3 years of his 4 year contract & more so only year one of an owner approved rebuild? No resolve = no reward. Never mistake Jr. for Job. By the way, :roll: s working under a 4 year deal too; hmm…

“I believe Haley will do well enough to hang on for at least 4 or 5 years.”

- I do not share your phantasm…

“My hope is for him to learn and become an excellent coach, but only time will tell.”

- Rin’s hope is :roll: resigns before he has to be dragged out by the neck…

:cool: daddy-o

]]> By: cupp http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21508 cupp Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:31:05 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21508 My only hope it Haley can instill the fundamentals we've lacked the past years. I can't handle another season full of missed tackles and dropped passes. My only hope it Haley can instill the fundamentals we’ve lacked the past years. I can’t handle another season full of missed tackles and dropped passes.

]]> By: Gerry http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21507 Gerry Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:10:45 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21507 Niblick ... I think it is as difficult to predict wins/losses for this year as it is to predict whether Haley will be a successful coach. I hope you are correct. But, my "most" hope is for the team to grow/improve as the year goes along and then there will be improvement in each of the coming years. But, I kinda think they will win more than most people expect. Rin, where are you coming from? I think you are wrong about Haley being fired quickly. You forget Pioli and Haley are friends and/or NFL soulmates. Thus, he & Clark will give Haley plenty of rope to hang himself. I believe Haley will do well enough to hang on for at least 4 or 5 years. My hope is for him to learn and become an excellent coach, but only time will tell. Niblick … I think it is as difficult to predict wins/losses for this year as it is to predict whether Haley will be a successful coach. I hope you are correct. But, my “most” hope is for the team to grow/improve as the year goes along and then there will be improvement in each of the coming years. But, I kinda think they will win more than most people expect.

Rin, where are you coming from? I think you are wrong about Haley being fired quickly. You forget Pioli and Haley are friends and/or NFL soulmates. Thus, he & Clark will give Haley plenty of rope to hang himself. I believe Haley will do well enough to hang on for at least 4 or 5 years. My hope is for him to learn and become an excellent coach, but only time will tell.

]]> By: Niblick http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21505 Niblick Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:25:28 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21505 If the Chiefs can go 4 & 7 in their first 11 games, they would be in great shape. That's the toughest part of their schedule. All of their last 5 games would appear to be possible wins. I think they can go 4 & 1 in those games. That would leave them at 8 & 8. Perhaps I may be too optimistic. but I still think this is a good possibility. If the Chiefs can go 4 & 7 in their first 11 games, they would be in great shape. That’s the toughest part of their schedule. All of their last 5 games would appear to be possible wins. I think they can go 4 & 1 in those games. That would leave them at 8 & 8. Perhaps I may be too optimistic. but I still think this is a good possibility.

]]> By: Rin Tin Tin http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21501 Rin Tin Tin Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:06:45 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21501 "Will Haley generate improvement as those two coaches (Lewis & Mularkey) did?" - no, 'check' :roll: will not... "Will he be able to keep improving the team in year two, or year three if they come as Lewis did with the Bengals?" - no, :roll: will be terminated afore said... "How long will Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli wait on an every season contender for the playoffs?" - not long enough for :roll: - 'check' will be singing (cue Roy Rogers) "Happy trails to you, until we meet again..." "COACHES COME AND COACHES GO, EXPERIENCED OR NOT" - affirming Rin's prediction...he's a goner. "Do the math and" - you come to the conclusion :roll: is on borrowed time... "Other first-time head coaches that went to the post-season were . . . Herm Edwards." - alas, Kaycee has but :roll: - life is so unfair... "IMPROVEMENT USUALLY COMES THAT FIRST SEASON" - yes...almost inevitably, KCs case any result the experience gained by the plethora of team rookies of a season afore...only a boob :roll: (or 2) :shock: would prevent said - the Chiefs have a matched pair. "Generally, coaches are changed on teams with bad records. And generally, that should make the odds easier for a new coach to win more games than his predecessor." - as Rin has said, every 'W' in '09 result Herm & his Chiefs, every 'L' same the result the errancy the duo :roll: & :shock: "Eight went the other direction." - alas, they did not understand as :roll: the 'simplicity' of "any 22 will do"... :cool: daddy-o “Will Haley generate improvement as those two coaches (Lewis & Mularkey) did?”

- no, ‘check’ :roll: will not…

“Will he be able to keep improving the team in year two, or year three if they come as Lewis did with the Bengals?”

- no, :roll: will be terminated afore said…

“How long will Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli wait on an every season contender for the playoffs?”

- not long enough for :roll: – ‘check’ will be singing (cue Roy Rogers) “Happy trails to you, until we meet again…”

“COACHES COME AND COACHES GO, EXPERIENCED OR NOT”

- affirming Rin’s prediction…he’s a goner.

“Do the math and”

- you come to the conclusion :roll: is on borrowed time…

“Other first-time head coaches that went to the post-season were . . . Herm Edwards.”

- alas, Kaycee has but :roll: – life is so unfair…

“IMPROVEMENT USUALLY COMES THAT FIRST SEASON”

- yes…almost inevitably, KCs case any result the experience gained by the plethora of team rookies of a season afore…only a boob :roll: (or 2) :shock: would prevent said – the Chiefs have a matched pair.

“Generally, coaches are changed on teams with bad records. And generally, that should make the odds easier for a new coach to win more games than his predecessor.”

- as Rin has said, every ‘W’ in ’09 result Herm & his Chiefs, every ‘L’ same the result the errancy the duo :roll: & :shock:

“Eight went the other direction.”

- alas, they did not understand as :roll: the ‘simplicity’ of “any 22 will do”…

:cool: daddy-o

]]> By: Gerry http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21500 Gerry Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:04:08 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21500 Thanks for the articles and the work you do to include facts into your material. I try to look at the Chiefs realisticly and your facts do give us a hint, but not even you can predict Haley's record. It does give us hope to try on a pair of "homer glasses." Question: How much does talent have to do with the success of a "new" coach? i.e. Atlanta only won 4 games but there was much disruption on the team, so not surprising Smith won those games last year ... plus, the team hit on a good QB. It seems that it takes 4 or 5 years to really evaluate a coaches ability ... gives him time to select his own talent. The key talent is the #1 piece of the puzzle for winning a S.B. Bill Belichick is touted as the best in the NFL right now, but in Cleveland he had only 1 winning season in 5 years. In fact, it is luck and key talent ... as an example, had Drew not been hurt, which allowed Brady to get a chance to play, would Bill ever have won a S.B.? And would D.V. have won in St. Louis if Green had not been hurt? No way to place that kind of info on your charts. Yes, it does take great coaches ... i.e. Elway didn't win a S.B. until Shanny arrived. Walsh made Joe M. but Joe had to throw it and (who was it?) Clark had to catch it for them to advance to the S.B. There are several other examples. Also, there are examples of bad coaches with good talent. I guess what I'm driving at is ... there is no way for you to qualify (ahead of time) whether Haley will be able to help recognize excellent talent, coach up the players, and game plan to put them into a position to win and get to the promise land. But, "Now, where did I leave those glasses ... been so long ...." Thanks for the articles and the work you do to include facts into your material. I try to look at the Chiefs realisticly and your facts do give us a hint, but not even you can predict Haley’s record. It does give us hope to try on a pair of “homer glasses.”

Question: How much does talent have to do with the success of a “new” coach? i.e. Atlanta only won 4 games but there was much disruption on the team, so not surprising Smith won those games last year … plus, the team hit on a good QB. It seems that it takes 4 or 5 years to really evaluate a coaches ability … gives him time to select his own talent.

The key talent is the #1 piece of the puzzle for winning a S.B. Bill Belichick is touted as the best in the NFL right now, but in Cleveland he had only 1 winning season in 5 years. In fact, it is luck and key talent … as an example, had Drew not been hurt, which allowed Brady to get a chance to play, would Bill ever have won a S.B.? And would D.V. have won in St. Louis if Green had not been hurt? No way to place that kind of info on your charts.

Yes, it does take great coaches … i.e. Elway didn’t win a S.B. until Shanny arrived. Walsh made Joe M. but Joe had to throw it and (who was it?) Clark had to catch it for them to advance to the S.B. There are several other examples. Also, there are examples of bad coaches with good talent.

I guess what I’m driving at is … there is no way for you to qualify (ahead of time) whether Haley will be able to help recognize excellent talent, coach up the players, and game plan to put them into a position to win and get to the promise land. But, “Now, where did I leave those glasses … been so long ….”

]]> By: Tracy http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21497 Tracy Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:40:26 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21497 If nothing else, Chiefs Nation should expect the players to know that they will be coached up to a certain standard and will hear about it if, as and when they fail to achieve. This may well be more evident in the defense than the offense. Perhaps hardest to discern to the more casual fan would be the development of team cohesion. The concept of playing as a team is likely to lead to a lot fewer spectacular plays; it should also lead to a lot fewer deflating long runs by the opponents when it seems that KC has the other teams stopped. But the absence of an occurrence, i.e. the unexpected long run or other glaring mistakes, is something that would be noted and commented upon by a coach at a team meeting and, as is now becoming obvious, outsiders are not likely to hear about that. So with the possible exception of Dwayne Bowe's dropped pass stats, there may not be a lot that will be too noticeable. If nothing else, Chiefs Nation should expect the players to know that they will be coached up to a certain standard and will hear about it if, as and when they fail to achieve. This may well be more evident in the defense than the offense.
Perhaps hardest to discern to the more casual fan would be the development of team cohesion. The concept of playing as a team is likely to lead to a lot fewer spectacular plays; it should also lead to a lot fewer deflating long runs by the opponents when it seems that KC has the other teams stopped.
But the absence of an occurrence, i.e. the unexpected long run or other glaring mistakes, is something that would be noted and commented upon by a coach at a team meeting and, as is now becoming obvious, outsiders are not likely to hear about that.
So with the possible exception of Dwayne Bowe’s dropped pass stats, there may not be a lot that will be too noticeable.

]]> By: Bill in Neosho http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21496 Bill in Neosho Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:29:52 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21496 Bob like tour artical but i think the training camp will make a greater impact on the team as herm made camp a joke i dont thank the coach this year will be so easy better coach thanks. Bob like tour artical but i think the training camp will make a greater impact on the team as herm made camp a joke i dont thank the coach this year will be so easy better coach thanks.

]]> By: Rip 'em a new one http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/rookie-head-coachesrecap-%e2%80%a6-weekend-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-21495 Rip 'em a new one Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:31:31 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9584#comment-21495 Nice overview Bob. Looking at the roster and reviewing the positions, my grade for the Chiefs' overall talent is about a C- or slightly below average. If true, that translates out to a win total of 4 games on the low end, 6 on the high. In order to get more than that, the coaches have to make a difference or get many guys to over achieve. The players might have it in them to do this IF they're held closely accountable which seems to be a strength of Haley. It goes to the old axiom in the business world: Work closely inspected is work improved. So, I'll be looking for the players melding into a team, buying into what the coaches are imparting, executing the game plan and again, over achieving. Tall order. Nice overview Bob. Looking at the roster and reviewing the positions, my grade for the Chiefs’ overall talent is about a C- or slightly below average. If true, that translates out to a win total of 4 games on the low end, 6 on the high.

In order to get more than that, the coaches have to make a difference or get many guys to over achieve. The players might have it in them to do this IF they’re held closely accountable which seems to be a strength of Haley.

It goes to the old axiom in the business world: Work closely inspected is work improved. So, I’ll be looking for the players melding into a team, buying into what the coaches are imparting, executing the game plan and again, over achieving. Tall order.

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