Comments on: Position Overview: Secondary

By: ED

ED — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:07:16 +0000

Another good article by the great Bob Gretz. I expect the secondary to be the strongest part of our defense. I expect Carr, Flowers, and Page to all be pro-bowl players. I think the experience that Carr, Flowers, and Leggett gained last year will serve them well this season. They played well in the Cover 2, but I also watched games last season where all three guys played well in man. For the secondary to play as well as they did last year without the lack of a pass rush speaks volume of how well and talented our secondary is. And with the addition of Brown I expect it to be even better this seaosn.

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By: jimbo

jimbo — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:20:01 +0000

Our backfield, for the most part is solid. A little tweaking here & there can only result in improvement.
I’m a little surprised that Rin actually likes one of the Chiefs players aka… The Bonecrusher.
The reason our backfield was put on display last year was obvious. The front 7 were unable to keep the ball in front of them.
It’s a crying shame that the most tackles last season came from our backfield, subjecting their smallish frames to injuries. One can only hope those days are behind us.
If our starting front 7 can grasp & maintain the complicated Pendergrast 3-4 defense early. I see more opportunities for our talented backfield to capitalize on any opponents miscues.
After reviewing the above responses, It’s both good & evident to see that Bob’s faithful minion’s are satisfied with the backfield as well.

I will concur with Rin, Herm Edwards had a good eye for backfield talent.

Bob, You have provided an excellent insight & analysis from your recent subjective observations of the boys in red. Many Thanks.
Also, your pre-camp predictions are great fodder for us fans. I would not at all be surprised of how accurate your predictions pan out. Go Chiefs

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By: findthedr

findthedr — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:49:46 +0000

dont be suprised if legett beats out Carr for the #2 CB spot. Legett had as much passes defensed (6) as Carr with far less playing time.
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8906&team=12
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=9052&team=12

He seems to have really turned his game up to another level in OTA’s.

By: Rin Tin Tin

Rin Tin Tin — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:44:09 +0000

That ‘fake’ rin doesn’t know anythin’, huh.

Of course Real Rin knows that Bill is alive – the question is: does Bill know?

daddy-o

By: triley

triley — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:47:10 +0000

Rin Tin Tin: Bill Grigsby is still alive.

By: Rin Tin Tin

Rin Tin Tin — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:21:26 +0000

Real Rin daddy-o affirms once again why He is me, and ‘fake’ Rin has eyes… leave the heavy lifting to an All Pro –

Maurice ‘Deion’ Leggett is a keeper even tho his rookie mistake cost KC a loss to TB 2008 (failed to stay with his man & instead moved toward line of scrimmage – result a TD pass over his head to his man.)

Carr too as Flowers bloomed in ‘08 – Herm Edwards great coaching and eye for talent on full display with nee via these three gems.

Pollard has been ‘The Bonecrusher’ that he was advertised as while Page has sometimes tackled like Bettie, but both are keepers too.

The rest?

A collection of the halt (McGraw), lame (Brown), unproven (Morgan), journeyman (Daniels), & the never was (Colclough).

Hopefully, ‘check’ doesn’t mismanage the ample talent herein; that remains to be seen.

By: Harry

Harry — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:50:18 +0000

Colclough’s a good one to watch. I agree with PVC that the CBs appear to be undersized, particularly Flowers. I’d be tempted to throw him in at FS, so he can read and react to the ball, and maybe put one of the safeties in at corner to jam. I’ve always thought that ‘backs with his size and skill set are better suited for hiding behind LBs and making plays on the ball and coming up in run support (this little guy is ONE KC DB that did NOT have a shoulder injury and he CAN tackle).

Like Mo’ Leggs’ speed. If KC can get that speed on the field, it will definitely add something. I’m concerned about seeing Flowers matched-up against top-level WRs with size. You either telegraph safety help to his side, or telegraph an obvious 1-on-1 in the WR’s favor.

I have BIG concerns about the corner play. That’s why my face brightens up even hearing “might be”s about Colclough and Leggett, because Carr and Flowers have had help from 2 deep safeties that they will NOT have this year.

Make no mistake. This D is being built to hold the center with the front 3 and get PRESSURE from the LBs. If it takes 5 hats to GET that pressure, I bet that’s what they’ll DO. So the job description at corner has changed.

I HOPE that making earlier breaks on the ball will HELP, but the fact is, THIS defense really wants to single up down the field and bring an extra hat UP the field, compared to LAST season’s D. It’ll be about making a play on the QUICK pass, rather than having 7 guys playing coverage for 5 seconds. And that might pit the CBs against the steepest learning curve of ALL the defenders transitioning to 3-4, REGARDLESS of all the attention on the Hali/McBride experiment.

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By: Rin Tin Tin

Rin Tin Tin — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:33:10 +0000

Bold Prediction:

Jarrad will turn the ‘page’ to a new chapter of chiefdom. Brace yourselfs my friends for an era of consistent pro bowl appearances by ‘JP’..

daddy-o

over and out

By: Rin Tin Tin

Rin Tin Tin — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:30:38 +0000

By: Rin Tin Tin

Rin Tin Tin — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:29:48 +0000

Brought to you by another ‘Real’ Rin daddy-o ’search’ and ‘chek’ network…

I smell the fragrance of Flowers, but the ‘Carr’ needs some repairs and perhaps an upgrade. As the late great Bill Grigsby would say, “Asa Llama Lake-um”.

Goodnight.

By: colby

colby — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:53:57 +0000

This is the one area where Herm left us in better shape than he found us. The starting four are all young, solid players. Pollard and Flowers have the potential to be great. Leggett was a true diamond in the rough and Colclough was worth a roll of the dice. Add in some experience and leadership with Mike Brown and some freakish athletic talent with Washington and this secondary could be top 5 sooner rather than later.

They do need a pass rush this year though…..

By: anonymous

anonymous — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:02:03 +0000

That’s my biggest concern, the smallish size of the corners, I think Carr and Flowers did a pretty decent job on coverage. The two shoulder injuries are a bit worrisome. Hopefully the addition of Haley’s conditioning program will help alleviate some of that stuff. I really like Bates, I’ll be keeping my eye on that guy.

I think the switch to the 34 should benefit Pollard maybe more than anyone. Playing closer to the line of scrimmage or even as the eighth man in the box is where he will excel, I’ve always felt he’s really an undersized LB. I know one thing, he wont be afraid to introduce himself to backs and receivers, and when he does, it’ll be with bad intentions.

By: PVChiefsfan

PVChiefsfan — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:02:10 +0000

Oh, and is it a good thing or a bad thing that in three years Jarrad Page has more INT’s as a Chief than Surtain or Law(the two veteran corners to whom we paid far too much money so they could magically whisk us to a Super Bowl)

By: PVChiefsfan

PVChiefsfan — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:56:41 +0000

Weren’t Surtain and Flowers the starting corners in Game One against the Patriots? I didn’t think Carr started until Surtain went down with that injury…

By: Rip 'em a new one

Rip 'em a new one — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:21:47 +0000

Again, a most excellent review by Bob and thanks for this, Bob. For no reason in particular, call it gut instinct, two names jump out at me in this report:

MIKE BROWN: If he can stay healthy, IF is the operative word, this guy will make a tremendous difference for the Chief’s D. He’s like what Bob Sanders does for the Colts in that guys will play harder so as not to dissapoint him.
Intangible asset to the max, but only IF.

RICHARD COLCOUGH: The Steelers seldom miss on early picks but did on this guy. Why is that? Lack of skills? No. Lack of confidence? Maybe. Lack of smarts? Unknown to me. Lack of coachability? Maybe.

Anyway, Colcough seems the wildcard in this defensive secondary as to whether he’ll realize and play up to his potential ….. or fall back in the pack.