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Podcasting: Carl Peterson 1/2

Carl Peterson employment with the Chiefs ended with the turn of the calendar to 2009 at midnight Thursday.  Since the decision to move up his departure to this season, Peterson has not talked publicly.

He does so here for the first time.


46 Responses to “Podcasting: Carl Peterson 1/2”

  • January 2, 2009  - tm1946 says:

    At what point do we get to say good luck and goodbye and he rides off in the sunset??


  • January 2, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Time check: Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:35 a.m. – and yup, Herm’s STILL The Man!

    heh heh heh

    :-)


  • January 2, 2009  - MenInRed says:

    Time check: Friday, January 2, 2009, 11:05 a.m. – and yup, Rin’s STILL The Loser!

    heh heh heh


  • January 2, 2009  - Mark says:

    Thanks Carl, for 10 great years


  • January 2, 2009  - ED says:

    Carl you did do a great job at returning the Chiefs from the laughing stock of the NFL to a respectable team. The one mistake him and Herm will regret will be turning the keys to this franchise over to an injury prone quarterback. To me what was the harm in bring in another quarterback to compete for the job. ITs not like Brodie was a 1st round pick. He didn’t make a whole lot of money. Aside Peterson during a poor job of drafting this will be the #1 reason him and Herm will not be here in 2009 season.


  • January 2, 2009  - ED says:

    Another thing he talked about Herm having a string of bad luck with injury ridden quarterbacks. Then why put all your marbles on a guy who had a history of injuries in high school and college. I don’t mean to kick a dead horse but its just doesn’t make sense to do that. I heard Herm mention one time that Brodie injuries were fluke injuries. Fluke or not if you’re injury prone then you’re injury prone. It doesn’t matter if you just fall out all of a sudden and get hurt or you take a big hit and get hurt you’re still injured and not out there playing on the field.

    I look at a guy like Caddliac Williams for the Bucs the running. Last week he had a fluke injury where his knee just buckled on a running play and come to find out he tore his ACL if i’m not mistaking. Either way here is another guy who’s had a string of injuries fluke or not the guy is injury prone for some reason. Chances are he’s going to miss another season in the NFL. But the same can be said with Brodie the Chiefs organization should have seen this coming. The one mistake for Peterson himself if he felt so strongly about Brady Quinn he should have trade up to get the guy or we should have drafted Trent Edwards in the 2007 draft. Or we should have trade up to get Ryan this year.


  • January 2, 2009  - Mark says:

    What were they supposed to do, a team traded right into the spot ahead of us to get Quinn. How could Carl have known that?

    Trent Edwards? What a tool.

    We have a chance to get our QB this year, big deal. I am Carl’s biggest critic, he should have left with Marty 10 years ago, but this isn’t something you can criticize him for.


  • January 2, 2009  - DAVE. H. says:

    Hearing Peterson talk always made me sick, he just sounds like he thinks of himself so highly and everything is so great. Yeah I bet dozens of teams are just falling overthemselves to hire you Carl………not. I guess I will thank him for a few things, maybe later.


  • January 2, 2009  - Scott says:

    Peterson’s biggest mistake was that he stayed here too long. Simple as that.


  • January 2, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Time check: Friday, January 2, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST – and yup, Herm’s STILL The Man!

    heh heh heh


  • January 2, 2009  - ED says:

    We always could look back and say would have could have but I’m just pointing out the mistakes that has put us only winnning 6 games in 2 years. We could have traded with the Cowboys instead of the Browns. And you got to admit Trent Edwards is a solid quarterback. And so is Matt Ryan. The past is the past oh well we’re moving thanks Carl for the first 10years. And yea Scott you’re right the biggest mistake was Lamar allowed him to stick around too long.


  • January 2, 2009  - Lauren says:

    Nicely done getting Carl P. to give you this interview. We’ve been curious. Bobby G has the skinny.


  • January 2, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Lamar Hunt perpetuated a broken premise: that you can allow one man to do two or more/multiple jobs.
    And as verified by both Peterson & afore him Hank Stram, such does not often result in reward.

    After the Chiefs 1971 season ended- and with it any real success the KC Chiefs have known since to date- Lamar promoted Stram to the dual titled Head Coach AND Vice President which entailed him also signing player contracts and control of the talent department. He got a 10 year contract pre-1972 but ended up fulfilling only 3 years of it.

    Next, Lamar Hunt put Jack Steadman in charge of all those same things, until he hired new Coach Paul Wiggin. Later still Jim Schaff, who started out as a Chiefs (& formerly KC As baseball team) PR Man – imagine Bob Moore for example being put in charge of acquiring talent – was promoted to General Manager.

    After 15 years of ‘that’, one Carl Peterson was hired… and you know how the last 20 years has played out with Carl bearing three-headed troika President, GM & CEO.

    Other coaches since Stram have tried the ‘multi-role’ model as have other GM’s – but, the latter is a small fraternity in history & in both cases the fallen are strewn ‘long the roadside failure.

    For the record an estimated 95% KC ‘fans’ wanted Stram fired in 1974… they’ve been waiting ever since for a Head Coach as good. Reality however is the reason the change was made was local KC businessmen who bent the ears of Lamar Hunt and Jack Steadman regards a flagging interest in the team, as evidenced by dwindling attendance. Some also believe a power play of sorts involving the principles Stram & Steadman were part n’ parcel thereof with Lamar Hunt ‘siding’ on the side of $teadman as twere.

    Upshot is the Chiefs have a LONG history of poor management as described, and an ownership that in absentia has let others steer the ship, but daily telephone calls & sporadic visits to Kaycee being the modus operandi.

    Enter Clark Hunt.

    Whether you want Herm or not, hopefully the new orgainzational structure of Business on the one side and Football in a stricter sense the other will result in a ‘greater return on investment’ for all… owner, players & fans. Noah only had to persevere for 40 days & nights…Chiefs fans like Rin have had their parade rained on for 40 years now…enough. If Job were a Kaycee fan he would have given up by now.

    Hope.

    :-)


  • January 2, 2009  - JohnNdallas says:

    Agree. Burn Out!

    I’m excited but nervous. High Hopes with an underlying Dread. Wish for the best, but expect something ummm less. And yes a little callused after 38 years of loyalty.


  • January 2, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    AND, it means saying NO to Pioli or any his ilk – NO ONE MAN can or should be given full reign.


  • January 2, 2009  - JohnNdallas says:

    Agree again, Nancy Reagans Poster Person (for just say no.)


  • January 2, 2009  - RedandGoldRice says:

    I just read over at Arrowhead Addict that if the Pats slap the franchise tag on Cassel, they would be tying up over 29 million in 2 players, he and Brady would both be making upwards of 14 mil apiece. I’m not saying we should go sign Cassel, just that he’d more than likely be available.


  • January 2, 2009  - Scott says:

    Of course Cassel will be available. He’ll sign a HUGE contract somewhere. I just hope it’s not here. I’m not convinced he’s that good. It’s too big of a gamble…and we’ve WAY bigger problems than QB.


  • January 2, 2009  - JohnNdallas says:

    Yup! They have some hard decisions to make. I don’t see them having Brady and Cassel on the pay roll.

    The multi million $ ? is, Brady going to be ready before training camp?

    Doubtful from what I’ve been hearing.

    What if there forced to put him on IR?

    From my understanding his salary would go against the cap.

    Now that would have to put them bumping the ceiling wouldn’t it?

    Keep in mind they will still have to sign there picks too.

    Now, I don’t know with out researching it a bit, but what other free agents do they have on there roster?

    And I’m sure there are some other free agents from other teams they’d like to look at too.

    There in a pretty tuff spot imho.


  • January 2, 2009  - RedandGoldRice says:

    Scott,
    I’d have to say QB is a top three problem. Thigpen made it look better through the second half of the season, but he consistantly over or under threw his recievers, not to mention he couldn’t run anything other than the spread. We don’t need to put all our eggs in one basket like we did with Brodie. Right now, we have Thigpen and then a bunch of journeymen QB’s.
    Do we want to go back to another cast off QB from someone else’s team? I don’t. We don’t need to and shouldn’t reach for a QB next April, but if there’s one there at #3 and we don’t trade down, we should definately pull the trigger.


  • January 2, 2009  - Rip 'em a new one says:

    There are two primary things that will get you in trouble if you’re running a business:

    1) Lack of cash flow
    2) Huge ego

    One usually impacts the other but not in all cases. Carl Peterson’s considerable ego has harpooned the Chiefs for many years and I fear it will take a few more of those years before they can dig out from beneath the CP rubble.

    The Chiefs are not a destination franchise for free agents. That could and must change but the post CP hangover/huge ego/hardball negotiator will not be solved overnight. Trust is earned by behavior, action and words. It takes time to restore that IF the successor ‘gets the deal’ that the cumbersome ego of CP failed to do.

    The Chiefs, afterall, need more than new blood in the GM and head coaching chairs. Those folks will have to rebuild the trust and confidence in the fan base, the players and the NFL community which includes FAs and agents. This will not happen quickly but the healing needs to start ASAP with the memory of Carl Peterson fading as fast as it can.

    CP? Tow words for you: Good riddance.


  • January 2, 2009  - RedandGoldRice says:

    Rip em,
    Another thing that would help would be to restore a winning atmosphere. No one wants to go to a loser, unless they’re after money. We’ve had our share of those. I like the direction we’re going in, just not the coaching we’re getting from top to bottom.


  • January 2, 2009  - JohnNdallas says:

    RedandGoldRice, I agree with most of your post but would like to offer a couple of things to consider.

    1st we do not know how Thigpen would function in a Pro Set Offense, he never really had an opportunity to play in it.

    2nd Maybe you should not so quickly assume that Croyal is going to be no factor. Yes he has had serious issues staying healthy, but I can’t help but think of Montana and how frail he was. ( No I’m not comparing one to the other, only in physical size) actually Croyal looks bigger to me than Montana. With a solid O-Line and a more intelligent scheme he could still surprise.

    3rd There is Gray and Martin, I have absolutely no opinion on either one, but someone must have seen something in them at one point in time.

    It would probably be wise if we have a shot at Bradford or Stafford (assuming both come out) to go for it, but if neither one is there or if the Men in charge feel certain that the Lions will take one and the Rams are going to take the other (I personally don’t think they will) I say take Oher or Smith.

    I’d rather see the Chiefs try and trade guys like both Johnson’s, Toney G, and Waters if possible to add extra picks.


  • January 2, 2009  - JohnNdallas says:

    PS, Next years QB class COULD be much deeper than this years draft.


  • January 2, 2009  - RedandGoldRice says:

    Croyle could possibly be a very effective QB, given he had an above average line, but sooner or later, he’d have to take a shot. Maybe I’m just burned out on Croyle, I really don’t have a big problem with him, but if he can’t be on the field, then he’s of no use to us.
    I agree, we should trade off whatever we can to get extra picks. Maybe even move down in the draft to secure an extra pick or two.
    Another option I’ve wondered about is seeing about aquiring Green Bays 3rd string rookie QB Brian Brohm. He’s buried there on the bench, and if I remember correctly, he had similar stats to those of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.


  • January 2, 2009  - Ozarks says:

    Thigpen blossomed in the spread. There is NO WAY a new GM will want to run this offense, which makes Thiggy suspect. IMO, QB is a priority, but they won’t solve that through this year’s draft, at least not early. OT LB or DE makes the most sense… in rounds one, two and three.


  • January 2, 2009  - Ozarks says:

    Thigpen blossomed in the spread. There is NO WAY a new GM will want to run this offense, which makes Thiggy suspect. IMO, QB is a priority, but they won’t solve that through this year’s draft, at least not early. Let’s have a competition. Hey Losman, want the job? Come and compete for it. Hey Brokie, think you were wronged? Prove it. Thigpen, prove it to us in a pro style offense. Get a couple more… I don’t care where. In the meantime, let’s shore up other numerous positions through draft and FA. We’ve seen before that the QB doesn’t necessarily have to be a superstar for a team to be good. I’d wait until we can assure a new QB success before we put the new draft toy in a position of automatic failure because the players around him aren’t good.

    OT LB or DE makes the most sense… in rounds one, two and three.


  • January 2, 2009  - Skrappy says:

    No reason to blame anyone about not trading up to get Brady Quinn. We don’t even know if he is any good, but we know Bowe is…

    We need more players than just QB. I would prefer to take the best player available and maybe pick up two QBs in this draft, in the 2-5 rounds. Let them compete with thigpen in camp. There should be some decent QBs in the later rounds.

    If we are going to try to run the spread next year, then we might as well take Crabtree with our first pick.


  • January 2, 2009  - RedandGoldRice says:

    JohnNdallas,
    I’m not real blown away with Stafford or Bradford anyway. What college Qb’s would be coming out next year? I’m not real up to speed with next years signal callers.


  • January 2, 2009  - Jody says:

    Carl’s first ten years were good and really that was run enough.


  • January 2, 2009  - JohnNdallas says:

    Hard to know for sure RedandGoldRice, that’s why I said COULD be.

    Harrell, McCoy,and Sanchez come to mind now, lot of speculation if Bradford is going to be coming out this season too.

    I really like the kid outta Ball State also, if he could be had mid 2nd rd.

    I just don’t see any need to REACH for a QB.

    I’d rather take a blue chip Left Tackle at 3 as apposed at a high risk, swing and a miss guy.


  • January 2, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Time check: Friday, January 2, 2009…7:21 p.m. CST – and yup, Herm’s STILL The Man!

    heh heh heh

    :-)


  • January 2, 2009  - DAVE. H. says:

    Dont we already have a blue chip left tackle?, and isn’t pretty much every first round pick a high risk move? It really sucks to keep thinking about this stuff when none of us has a clue what direction the team is really going. Come on Clark, hit it out of the park!


  • January 2, 2009  - JohnNdallas says:

    Albert is a natural guard. Yes he has done well at tackle.


  • January 2, 2009  - DAVE. H. says:

    Why do you think Herm wants to switch players out of there natural position so much? example, Albert, Hali, Dj, Alphonso Boone, I think Niswanger too. There might be others, doesnt that set players back?


  • January 2, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Herm is the little Dutch boy who’s trying to plug all those holes in the dike that be Kaycees swiss cheese roster.

    Stram switched Curley Culp from OG to DT & Curley became a star. Johnny Robinson went from HB to S, Jerry Mays from DT to DE & Emmitt Thomas from WR to CB and Jim Lynch from MLB to OLB so there are many examples of switched success in KC history.

    Keep up the great work Coach Herm Edwards – KC Chiefs Head Coach in 2009!

    :-)


  • January 2, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Bobby Bell from DE to OLB also worked out pretty well.

    :-)


  • January 2, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    OAK Raiders switched Hewritt Dixon from TE to FB and he flourished; SD Chargers moved Dickie Post from WR to HB and he too became a world beater.

    The DEN Broncos switched Rich Jackson from LB to DE…the result? He became an All Pro and so did Marlin Briscoe who went from scrambling QB @ DEN to WR with the BUFF Bills and later MIA Dolphins.

    :-)


  • January 2, 2009  - colby says:

    I’d have to disagree about Albert being a natural guard. He was forced to play out of position at guard in college because that Eugene Monroe kid was even better at left tackle. Albert has the build, height especially, of a tackle. He got his chance to play that spot here as a rookie and he did pretty darn well. Let’s also not forget that he missed all of camp and the preseason and came out and played on opening day like he’d been practicing every day.

    I know Leggett won the Mack Lee Hill (crock, no offense to Leggett, but crock) but Albert was the best Chiefs rookie in 2008 by FAR. I truly believe he will be our left tackle for a long time. Now if only they could get a center, right guard and right tackle!


  • January 2, 2009  - JohnNdallas says:

    So whats your solution colby, other than the standard answer of trading down? Which rarely happens in drafts like this.

    You gonna draft a player @ 3 when there maybe a 10 or 12, or do you take the best player available?

    My biggest concern is neither QB is there and Rams draft Smith and Chiefs can’t trade outta 3, then what do they do?!

    I know what I’d like them to do but I can’t imagine them doing it….go ahead and take Maualuga.

    What say you colby?


  • January 3, 2009  - Mark says:

    I’d rather have Thigpen then Trent Edwards or Brady Quinn. QB is NOT a priority here, and I’ll be fuious if we draft a QB with the #3 pick, absolutely furious. We have a good, young, promising one. Let him continue to develop in whatever offense he’s best in, and build around him. With afull offseason of work as the #1, Thigpen will be more than fine. Defense is the priority here, both for a new GM, Coach and a few new players and a more agressive scheme, at LB and DE.


  • January 3, 2009  - tm1946 says:

    QB would not be an issue for KC if Thigpen was a pro style QB. He seems adequate in the spread but need lots of help before he operates decently under center.

    So who do you pick? No idea. It just shows how many players short the herm’s chiefs are from being a NFL team.


  • January 4, 2009  - colby says:

    I agree with you JohnNdallas that trading down would be difficult. If the Chiefs asking price was too high that is. If they are reasonable, there could be a number of teams that would trade with us. Last year, Kuharich said after the draft was over that New Orleans offered a 7th rounder that year and a 1st rounder in 2009 to trade up from 10 to 5. The Chiefs decided to stay put and take Dorsey. I’m not of the opinion that Dorsey is a bust just yet, but that extra 1st rounder would look awfully this year. Point is, the Chiefs wanted too much last year. If their new GM is more trade savvy, then we might be surprised at how quickly extra picks accumulate.

    Also, I like that Laurinaitis kid out of Ohio State better than Maualuga at this point. That may very well change once I research them both a little closer in the weeks leading up to the draft.

    It’s still really early to tell who will be worthy of a pick that high, but if there is not a QB available who merits the #3 pick, it looks like OL or WR would have the best value. Is a RT or WR so much a priority? Maybe not, but I’m a big believer in taking the best player available over drafting for need.


  • January 4, 2009  - tm1946 says:

    clark is not in a hurry to get a Gm, Sun. Star, so who will make this trade down. If clark does it then he should be the GM, if herm does it then he should be given the team to run in 2009 (garanteed to be a losing season), and if bill does it then he is the next GM and all clark’s get rid of carl early was so much BS>


  • January 4, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Time check: 12:47 p.m. CST, Sunday, January 4, 2009…and yup, Herm’s STILL The Man!

    :-)


  • January 4, 2009  - kr24 says:

    I don’t think that drafting a QB with the 3rd pick would accomplish anything. WIth the way the Off. line blocked, no QB would have florished in the under center offense. Draft for the D-line or linebacker to stop run or a stud blocker to help keep the defense off the field. Let Thiggy get more experience under center with a better O-line. If it doesn’t work we still can’t be much worse than this year.




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