It’s all hindsight with QB’s, Ryan Leaf was a first round pick too taken with McNabb and Culpepper, who really know’s who’s going to last in the NFL?? Croyle could have been the one, he actually still could be the one, Gannon took forever to become a very good QB…

The chiefs would do well with keeping Herm who can draft and Pioli if he is such a great mastermind… I also question why the Patriots wouldn’t try to keep Paoli if he is the mastermind behind the dynasty?? instead you let him roll and give him all kinds of respect in statements? Bill is the real master mind there, but we’ll find that one out this year…

Two totally different situations. If Jimmy had sucked in his third year to the tune of 2-14, you’d better believe Jerry Jones would have run him out of Dallas.

Read “˜em and weep – Herm Edwards, Head Coach KC Chiefs 2009! heh heh heh

Looks like you’ve already admitted he’s gone and are planning your future reign of idiocy on this board by saying we win because of Herm even though he’s not part of the organization any more. How long will you cling to your false truths?

Yes, I’ll admit that Herm brought talent to the team. But why couldn’t he do anything with it? 6-26 over two years? That’s an absolute disaster. Any coach (with the possible exception of Norv Turner) could have won more games with the exact same talent and assistant staff. Herm is a failure and admits it himself:

“I let my work speak for itself.”

Your work has spoken.

And trailing behind Herm, head bowed/subserviant, Herm’s assistant…Scotti Pioli (as a hush comes over the assembled- first, the gnashing of teeth then the sound open weeping grown men.”

It’s gonna be a great 2009: every win added to the total Herm Edwards, every loss credited to anyone not so named who fails to win with the thence second year rebuild players Herm has readied – Rin can’t lose!

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Steve Spagnuolo.

Sorry, Rin.

Pioli will soon confirm…that Herm’s the man.

Looking for a job.

I don’t expect things to turn around at the snap of a finger…but here’s a sincere hope that Scott Pioli can build a winning team in KC.

So long, Herm. “You play to win the game”. Very true. But the problem is, you didn’t.

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(raised eyebrow) “gentlemen, you may find that ‘having’ is not as much as ‘wanting.”

Testify Brother Spock, testify!

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Herm’s The Man!

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Welcome to the Kansas City Chiefs Scott Pioli! ALL of KC is behind you and we know that you’ll be leading us back to glory very soon now.

AND NOW Clark Hunt has affirmed Pioli’s the man!

heh heh HACK! wheeze…..

Herm won’t last until the end of the week.

Must be “flustrating”

“Rin don’t get uppity on us because you think you are the oldest Chief fan.”

- Rin would never do that…He could tell as soon as you pled that you were but old married man and bore the scars nee stripes of not having had the right to your own opinion for decades…until Bob created this outlet for your angst; you go ahead and let it all out there pardner.

“rin i can respect your knowledge and longevity as a chiefs fan”

- the adulation line forms to the right…

“but”

- uh oh, here it comes – cue Paul Reuben’s and his “everybody’s got a big but” from ‘Pee Wee’s Big Adventure’…

“you hate to accept facts. there is no way a competent coach can’t win at least 4 games.”

- Tom Landry, not even one winning season until his SEVENTH as a Head Coach – should have fired him, right, “at least 4″ etc. etc.?

Rin has a few (hundred) more examples, but Landry is proof of what happens when you have patience & faith…Marty Schottenheimer is what happens when you pledge blind allegience to a Coach.

Hank Stram is what happens when egos- his, Hunt’s and Steadman’s- collide & things go too corporate (spelled $ oriented…these last 40 or so years the result.

Change is ‘not’ always a good thing, only a convenient one.

Herm Edwards is what happens when you have bigger balls than the State of Missouri and set yourself up (least potentially) for a fall via a derierre puckering owner. If Herm goes, will have nothing to do with his coaching ability which is regarded highly throughout the NFL but rather personality. More so, a Pioli may choose his guy ‘X’, while a GM Domenik might chose his guy Herm or ‘Z’.

Pure chance, a roll of the dice, failure not a matter of ‘if’ but more so of ‘when.’

Like Rin said, let’s all meet back here in 2011, or sooner (probably aft the 1st exhibition game – a loss – 2009, or after the 14th regular season game 2009 – a 12th loss on the year) and see how Pioli is looking then.Bring your earplus, ’cause Rin will be here to sound the clarion call Scott and his odoriferousness thence.

Hope springs eternal…fool’s continue to be born with every new GM hire. Mssrs Steadman, Peterson, and Pioli…and soon enough aft him, the next.

I agree with both of you. I also despise men that abuse women, however, I think in LJ’s case, a lot will change for him once he is able to step out of the closet. But that is neither here nor there.

The truth is guys…he can run hard and mean. I don’t care if he bitches or whines, like Herm said, “LJ is under contract.” I just don’t want to lose a good athlete. Jared Allen is a good athlete, his motor does not stop.

When the chiefs were successful offensively, they ran with Okoye, Word, Holmes and L.J. Now I know that didnt’ get them to the big game, but right now, we should just fill some holes, let a good fullback lead L.J. , back him up with Charles, and get our running game back.

That’s where I stand. I’m looking forward to Pioli. The game has changed, players have changed, and if he decides to trade, well, so be it. But we do need our running game back!

If Pioli cooks his own goose, he will be replaced within 3 years, his only possibility of retention being in retining Herm Edwards or possibly a Kirk Ferentz. Spagnuolo & Schwartz who are rumored (as off this moment) as the hot choices, could in tandem not carry the shoes Herm Edwards.

Herm’s The Man – Head Coach of the KC Chiefs 2009!

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That’s what he’s going to be to herm, an ax, a good deal of others will see the ax also. Players too!

“Scott The Ax”, yeah! I kinda like the sound of that.

Hey Ax man, no one would complain much if you were to apply your ax to a couple of idiots in KC, the one who wishes he could bare herm’s pups and the other a dumb ass radio head known as kietzman.

As far as I see it, Herm has ONLY improved ONE area of this team: the secondary. That shouldn’t be a surprise, he’s really not much more than a great secondary coach to begin with.

I can think of 7, maybe 8 “pieces” that Herm put in place on this team that will help the next coach win games. Apart from that, the next coach is going to be cleaning up Herm’s mess, not riding his coat tails.

And to those of your who think the Chiefs are close, you are unfortunately misguided. We have more holes than Swiss cheese:

WR, OT, OG, C, FB, RB, TE, QB, DT, DE, MLB, OLB, SS, KR/PR

If my math is correct, that’s 14 of 23 positions that need immediate replacement, or replacement in the next 2-3 years. The team also needs a sound #2 QB (whether it’s Thigpen or someone else). I’m an optimist, but also a realist. Pioli has a big job ahead of him and this will not be created overnight unless the stars align.

-J_r0kk

Grim realization yours nee self-indictment.

Speaking of ancestry, from ancestry.com:

Pioli Name Meaning and History – Italian: most probably from a pet form of the personal name Pio “˜Pius’, or a pet form of Olimpio.

Alternatively could be a metonymic occupational name for a peg or stake maker from piolo “˜peg’, “˜stake’, or from a dialect word for celery, from erba apiola “˜horehound’, a medicinal herb, or from melo apiolo meaning “˜apple’.

Otherwise, it could be a Tuscanized form of Calabrian piulu “˜screech owl’, or from Piedmontese piola “˜ax’, “˜hatchet’.

Scott ‘Celery’ Pioli? Or maybe ‘Pet’ Pioli, or perhaps ‘Apple’ Pioli (he does have rosy cheeks, appears.)

Yup, Scottie sounds like a real peach…or a chia pet, depending.

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Rin…all of the people that have come and gone through the Chiefs were destined to do so. NOBODY stays forever. Change is the name of the game. Its more a matter of timing. Marty, Vermeil, Carl, etc. They all had their day. So pointing out that some of them didn’t turn out so well isn’t really a profound observation.

Good luck to Pioli. Let’s go CHIEFS!!!!

I hope you guys are right and that Herm helped have “the pieces in place”. Unfortunately, i think the jury is still out on that. It takes more than one year to see how a draft went. In hindsight, the 2006 draft was no better than average (maybe worse) and Herm’s drafts with the Jets were similarly “blah”. For the 2007 draft to be a success, we need Bowe to stop dropping the easy ones and make the pro bowl, Tank and Turk to become real NFL starters (they really aren’t yet, they were just given the keys by Herm without earning it), and Kolby and Herbie to be productive backups.

Anytime something new appears, pulses increase, tighty-whities strain & all seems possible … sometimes tho, aft the fact, after you get what you wanted, not so swell. Reality is after the first glow has worn off & the bloom is off the rose, the smell of another overhyped savior is not so much pungent as repugnent.

When Hank Stram was fired in 1974, many cheered. How’d that work out? Chiefs haven’t had a decent coach since, other than Herm Edwards.

Schottenheimer? Gesundheit, tens years wondering in the wilderness – kissing your sister mulitple times.

Vermeil? I tear up just thinking about him. Paul Wiggin… w o w.

Mackovic, Levy, Gansz, interim Bettis…Pioli.

The fall may not be precipitous as this KC Chiefs organization hasn’t had anyone – outside of Herm -who operated with a common sense plan, so with 1 year rebuild in place, the next guy – Pioli – is certain to benefit. If he fails – and he will if he does start over again via coaches/plan etc. – I will not be surpirsed at all.

Won’t rejoice because it’s my KC Chiefs but will smile the smile of satisfaction that “I told ‘em all so.”

16-0 or 0-16, here we come…laugh while you cry.

you dont seem so confident anymore that Herm is the man!

Hahaha!

I feel that keeping Herm for another year, his last pertaining to his contract, is the right thing to do but will not happen. I’m not a Herm Edwards fan as a head coach. Defensive coach maybe, DB Coach Yes, a motivator hell yes, but when you bring in a new gm why hold him back by forcing him to work with Herm, who has a losing record and who wants to do it his way???

As you stated Rin, the pieces are in place, thanks to Herm, but it is in the teams best interest to move on.

Pioli is excited and we must let him loose! Unleash your fury Pioli! ( Just keep Tony, Larry, and don’t draft a quarterback!)

ESPN seems to think Herm is gone because Pioli would want a defensive coach. I thought that was why Edwards was hired… Whatever, I just hope his coach is as good a decision as Clark Hunts appears to be. At least according to the “experts”. Time will tell.

Here’s to hope!

Either way, any success 2009 Chiefs will be due to Herm and his players he drafted, and coached through the rough spots of their 1st season the first the rebuild KC.

Me thinks it will be a looonnnnnnnnnnnnnng season if Scottie with the light bro- er, hardly no hair at all – decides to wipe everything clean.

Rin will remain a KC Chiefs fans as he has since 1963 but am prepared for the expansion team 2009 Chiefs if Pioli makes the wrong decision, hiring a new coach.

As Rin said & has been proven Herm Edwards will be the Chiefs Head Coach in 2009 – as it is now January 13, he already has been!

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