Comments on: Monday Morning Cup O’Chiefs http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html Dedicated to providing the best coverage of the Kansas City Chiefs. News, commentary, reports, and exclusive inside information - daily! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:40:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Lukat Mapeenos http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15343 Lukat Mapeenos Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:12:35 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15343 True Red and Gold, Why are you a Chiefs fan? You NEVER have anything positive to say. True Red and Gold,

Why are you a Chiefs fan? You NEVER have anything positive to say.

]]> By: B in SC http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15337 B in SC Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:41:11 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15337 Waters and Gonzalez are really a non-issue. They are both under contract and have no leverage. Show up and get paid or don't. If Gonzo shows up today it would actually be a surprise since he doesn't normally come to KC for the voluntary stuff. LJ - when the arbitrator rules in KC's favor, he will be cut. Trade? Who in their right mind would trade for a player that is about to be a free agent? He is damaged goods like Pacman Jones. Somebody will sign him to a mediocre contract with many more performance and conduct requirements than he has seen with KC. Keep in mind that he can have more legal problems by violating the terms of his sentancing. Which will probably happen. Waters and Gonzalez are really a non-issue. They are both under contract and have no leverage. Show up and get paid or don’t. If Gonzo shows up today it would actually be a surprise since he doesn’t normally come to KC for the voluntary stuff.

LJ – when the arbitrator rules in KC’s favor, he will be cut. Trade? Who in their right mind would trade for a player that is about to be a free agent? He is damaged goods like Pacman Jones. Somebody will sign him to a mediocre contract with many more performance and conduct requirements than he has seen with KC. Keep in mind that he can have more legal problems by violating the terms of his sentancing. Which will probably happen.

]]> By: jim lloyd http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15334 jim lloyd Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:19:04 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15334 All Herm did was give Larry the ball , like I said I could have done good . Even though going on 70 does slow you down some . All Herm did was give Larry the ball , like I said I could have done good .
Even though going on 70 does slow you down some .

]]> By: True Red & Gold http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15332 True Red & Gold Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:42:24 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15332 None of these three will be there the first day or even the first week. Why should they be? These are voluntary workouts and none of the three have to worry about a job. These guys are not intimidated by the new regime and probably scoff at the "right 53 garbage" None of these three will be there the first day or even the first week. Why should they be? These are voluntary workouts and none of the three have to worry about a job. These guys are not intimidated by the new regime and probably scoff at the “right 53 garbage”

]]> By: arrowhead1978 http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15331 arrowhead1978 Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:36:54 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15331 If Tony does end up going somewhere else, ill bet that it will be to the Colts... If Tony does end up going somewhere else, ill bet that it will be to the Colts…

]]> By: Scott http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15330 Scott Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:25:14 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15330 Chief in Denver says: "Why let LJ go? If nothing else you trade him for a 3 or a 4 or even a 5." Bob Gretz says: "The bonuses and base salary can still be earned by Johnson, but he won't get them if he's not on the team." Even with the off-the-field issues aside...he's simply not worth the money he makes. He had one and a half good seasons. With a killer O-line, no less...that any decent RB could have run behind. He's not a team player. And he doesn't like playing here. Trading him for a pick is a good idea. Problem is, I don't think any team will. I think he'll be released, and end up somewhere...But for a whole lot less money. Some team will take the gamble on him, and put up with his BS. But, I don't think it will be us. Chief in Denver says:

“Why let LJ go? If nothing else you trade him for a 3 or a 4 or even a 5.”

Bob Gretz says:

“The bonuses and base salary can still be earned by Johnson, but he won’t get them if he’s not on the team.”

Even with the off-the-field issues aside…he’s simply not worth the money he makes. He had one and a half good seasons. With a killer O-line, no less…that any decent RB could have run behind. He’s not a team player. And he doesn’t like playing here.

Trading him for a pick is a good idea. Problem is, I don’t think any team will. I think he’ll be released, and end up somewhere…But for a whole lot less money. Some team will take the gamble on him, and put up with his BS. But, I don’t think it will be us.

]]> By: jim lloyd http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15328 jim lloyd Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:07:55 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15328 LJ to Denver , no --thats a GOOD idea ! LJ to Denver , no –thats a GOOD idea !

]]> By: Chief in Denver http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15327 Chief in Denver Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:51:05 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15327 Why let LJ go? If nothing else you trade him for a 3 or a 4 or even a 5. This way at least you can control where he goes. The way Denver has been signing FA do you really want to see him out there & play against him twice a year for the next 2-4 yrs. I would think he may be easier to trade if the next team knows they won't have to honor the guar money. As for Tony, he never showed up for these anyway & is always in shape. Why let LJ go? If nothing else you trade him for a 3 or a 4 or even a 5. This way at least you can control where he goes. The way Denver has been signing FA do you really want to see him out there & play against him twice a year for the next 2-4 yrs. I would think he may be easier to trade if the next team knows they won’t have to honor the guar money. As for Tony, he never showed up for these anyway & is always in shape.

]]> By: Mortis http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15326 Mortis Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:19:04 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15326 There is a post on www.arrowheadaddict.com that Tony was seen coming out of his apartment...so I bet Tony will be there. There is a post on http://www.arrowheadaddict.com that Tony was seen coming out of his apartment…so I bet Tony will be there.

]]> By: jim lloyd http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15325 jim lloyd Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:08:31 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15325 If Tony does leave and where he is playing they lose 6 of their first 8 games and KC comes out strong and wins 6 of their first half , its like you cant win no matter what . I guess it is what it is , a game -- no more -- no less ! If Tony does leave and where he is playing they lose 6 of their first 8 games and KC comes out strong and wins 6 of their first half , its like you cant win no matter what .
I guess it is what it is , a game — no more — no less !

]]> By: Scott http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15324 Scott Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:00:35 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15324 My predictions for the "KC3"... Waters will swallow his pride and put his little temper tantrum behind him. He'll be humbled, but I think he'll stay. Gonzo will stay, I think. He'll come in and play like he always does. Once he gets on the field, he's "all in" regardless. He did it last year...and he'll do it again this year. Pioli and Haley know that. Unless some team out there makes an outrageous offer that Pioli just can't refuse...which I don't see happening, Tony will end his career as a Chief. LJ will be released...maybe even late this week. As soon as the ruling comes down that KC doesn't have to pay him the "guaranteed" money. I don't see anyone giving us anything for him in a trade...when they know he will eventually be released. I don't see him being part of this team...especially now. He never really has been, anyway. I'm sure he'll talk a good game, though...since he knows no other team will pay him anywhere NEAR what he would make here next year. My predictions for the “KC3″…

Waters will swallow his pride and put his little temper tantrum behind him. He’ll be humbled, but I think he’ll stay.

Gonzo will stay, I think. He’ll come in and play like he always does. Once he gets on the field, he’s “all in” regardless. He did it last year…and he’ll do it again this year. Pioli and Haley know that. Unless some team out there makes an outrageous offer that Pioli just can’t refuse…which I don’t see happening, Tony will end his career as a Chief.

LJ will be released…maybe even late this week. As soon as the ruling comes down that KC doesn’t have to pay him the “guaranteed” money. I don’t see anyone giving us anything for him in a trade…when they know he will eventually be released. I don’t see him being part of this team…especially now. He never really has been, anyway. I’m sure he’ll talk a good game, though…since he knows no other team will pay him anywhere NEAR what he would make here next year.

]]> By: Lozphil http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15323 Lozphil Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:54:27 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15323 This is not news. This is not news.

]]> By: Scott http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15322 Scott Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:36:02 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15322 Yes, things will be different. Good. God knows what they have been doing wasn't working. So long LJ. What a waste of talent. Who knew (at the time) just how right Vermiel was with the "diaper" comment. And he still hasn't taken it off. Yes, things will be different. Good. God knows what they have been doing wasn’t working.

So long LJ. What a waste of talent. Who knew (at the time) just how right Vermiel was with the “diaper” comment. And he still hasn’t taken it off.

]]> By: Tim http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15321 Tim Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:29:45 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15321 What are the ramifications to the salary cap if the chiefs were to part with the three? Personally, I think the Waters issue can be worked out. LJ, is just a bad news and needs to be cut. Gonzo, love the guy and wish he would finish his career here, but can't blame the guy for wanting to win a championship. What are the ramifications to the salary cap if the chiefs were to part with the three? Personally, I think the Waters issue can be worked out. LJ, is just a bad news and needs to be cut. Gonzo, love the guy and wish he would finish his career here, but can’t blame the guy for wanting to win a championship.

]]> By: tm1946 http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15319 tm1946 Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:21:47 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15319 If I recall correctly (let me know), Tony never came to these work outs anyway. He stays in CA. So take the KC3 to 2. Will LJ or Waters show up. I am betting at least 1 will. Trades are hard demand. Wages and a future dependon how they preform under the new regime. I got a feeling this is a mole hill that we are turning into the flint hills. That can be blamed on the Pioli and his gangs silence and that is not totally bad. If I recall correctly (let me know), Tony never came to these work outs anyway. He stays in CA. So take the KC3 to 2. Will LJ or Waters show up. I am betting at least 1 will. Trades are hard demand. Wages and a future dependon how they preform under the new regime. I got a feeling this is a mole hill that we are turning into the flint hills. That can be blamed on the Pioli and his gangs silence and that is not totally bad.

]]> By: Devildog 1976 http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15318 Devildog 1976 Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:10:49 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15318 In Pioli I trust!! It is all about the TEAM..........and.......... THE RIGHT 53 2009 53 WORK AS ONE In Pioli I trust!!

It is all about the TEAM……….and……….

THE RIGHT 53 2009

53 WORK AS ONE

]]> By: Rip 'em a new one http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15317 Rip 'em a new one Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:07:51 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15317 Well, what we have here is a game of liar's poker possibly being played by the, let's call them, "The KC 3". Interesting to note that none of the KC3 is in his prime, all are 30+ and, at that age and their positions, history suggests their best playing days are in the past. Where's the leverage for the KC3? Perhaps their only card is to force the Chiefs to release them outright, but that too is unlikely and fraught with more downside than upside, or so it seems to me. If any of the KC3 elect not to report on Monday, they've effectively painted themself into a corner. Well, what we have here is a game of liar’s poker possibly being played by the, let’s call them, “The KC 3″. Interesting to note that none of the KC3 is in his prime, all are 30+ and, at that age and their positions, history suggests their best playing days are in the past.

Where’s the leverage for the KC3? Perhaps their only card is to force the Chiefs to release them outright, but that too is unlikely and fraught with more downside than upside, or so it seems to me.

If any of the KC3 elect not to report on Monday, they’ve effectively painted themself into a corner.

]]> By: MenInRed http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/monday-morning-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs-12.html#comment-15316 MenInRed Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:54:52 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=7774#comment-15316 I guess today will be the start of the Pioli/Haley "Who wants to be a Kansas City Chief era" by way of attendance in these first work-outs. If it was me, I think the writing is on the wall, I would want my face seen from day One. This is how you build and get: "The Right 53" I guess today will be the start of the Pioli/Haley “Who wants to be a Kansas City Chief era” by way of attendance in these first work-outs. If it was me, I think the writing is on the wall, I would want my face seen from day One.

This is how you build and get:

“The Right 53″

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