Comments on: It Was All Will Shields Fault … Wednesday Cup O’Chiefs

By: arrowhead1978

arrowhead1978 — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:40:39 +0000

Josh what do you think Herm was doing?? Starting youth so that they would be the base, duh!! Now that Haley is here he is getting all of the other teams leftovers… I dont see the difference Personally. now I do see that we have a lousy defense and the safeties are junk! Look when Sims-walker is running around and no one is watching then you have a problem back there.

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By: Jim Lloyd+

Jim Lloyd+ — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:13:38 +0000

Rob :
Where do you go spend the money for offence linemen ???
THAT’S the problem ,——— Does anyone have the Name and whereabouts of this person ?
Will Shields did not quit early wnen the draft started , he waited untill the day before training camp and just killed the chance of being replaced . Thats when Fox-Allen-Tony G.-AND others started ———will you know>>>>>

By: Rob

Rob — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:23:28 +0000

Sure, LJ had some off the field issues, but I bet #58 and other Chief greats weren’t perfect either. If LJ had a good offensive line the last 3 years, he’d still be a 1,300+ yard back and the chiefs wouldn’t be one of the worst teams…again. It starts with the offensive line. Spend some money on the damn offensive line.

By: Josh

Josh — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:49:03 +0000

Well, I think there are sign of improvement in the midst of all the bad. The D-line for instance has improved and started playing much better ball. The big plays are normally faults of LBs or DBs. Special team play has been pretty tight this year witch is a sign of younger players catching onto the system. Jackson had one of his better games to date against Jacksonville. Chambers and Long are both promising. Cassel, save the three int game three weeks ago, has played well considering the problems on the O-line. It appears that they have only really gone after “their type of player” and slowly weed out the ones that don’t fit the mold. Look at Flowers and how he is playing. He is all over the field and they use him several different ways. I like the direction he have taken. The “process” hasn’t been the most enjoyable thing to watch, but I believe the team is going to start forming over the second half of the season and give us a real good idea of what kind of foundation we have to build on. You can’t build a team with free agents. You need a base of young “home grown” talent. Use free agency to fill the small voids rather than large ones. You don’t blow your wad the first year to try and get 8 wins. You have to find out what you really have to build on and go from there. A rookie GM with promise, a rookie head coach with promise, an owner getting his hands wet for the first time, and a quarterback only in his second year of starting with promise – these guys deserve at least a couple years before we get to critical of there decisions.

By: Jim Lloyd+

Jim Lloyd+ — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:44:02 +0000

The type of help is NOT what Tony ( PASS RECIEVER) was .
These guys are 270 # & 6′ 7″ —They are big and mobil .
THE NEED IS FOR BLOCKING —so the ball CAN be thrown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELLO—
Cassel can’t seem to get set to look and release to then be able to preform at the level that HE has, the TALENT to get the JOB done .
END result is right in front of everybody !
They have to fix where the BALL is comming from BEFORE they they go thru another 20 WR .
What is the point in doing the same thing over and over .
If they are trying to convince us as fans that this does not work , OK –it DOSENT .
Its just football ,
THEY NEED BLOCKING BEFORE THEY CAN DO ANYTHING ……..
They have & are paying people that can help and don’t use them . I’m getting SICK of watching .

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:54:09 +0000

don’t forget the value of T-Rich. He made a lot of running backs better.

By: Josh

Josh — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:28:17 +0000

I always knew Bradshaw was amazing, but 1 of 29 for 232 yards and three TD’s? That is just incredible!!

Seriously though. I just want to thank all the veterans who fought for my freedom. You guys (and girls) deserve more than one day a year to celebrate what you’ve done!

JCH

By: Mad Chief

Mad Chief — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:23:21 +0000

Good points, el cid. The only thing I would say…is that if you have a couple of good linemen, then the guy next you doesn’t look quite so bad. But when you have problems at every position, like we do…then it’s magnified. Hell, even Waters and Albert aren’t playing well this year.

I think we’ll see the Chiefs adress the O-line aggressively this upcoming offseason. My guess would be that only Albert will return as a starter. And possibly Waters…but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s gone next year.

By: el cid

el cid — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:00:30 +0000

Forgetting Haley for a moment. Waters may be at the end of a good career. Nutz is not a adequate Center, and O’Cal is a filler not an answer. If Albert can return to what he was last year, we still need 4 STARTING lineman. That will not be fixed in one year using free agency and draft picks. The OL looks like a long term problem, just guessing of course but Pioli chose to ignore repairs last time so unless you think he will fix it this time around, but you will be guessing like me.

By: Red Robin

Red Robin — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:59:48 +0000

LOL…YOU CHIEFS FAN ARE IDIOTS …YOUR BRAIN HAS BEEN FRAGMENTED ..ALL THE LJ TALK… HAS LET YOUR GM AND COACH OFF THE HOOK FOR 2 WEEKS NOW…YA SO CAUGHT UP ON LJ BEING CUT ….WHAT ABOUT HOW ALFUL YOUR TEAM HAS PLAYED ….O….SORRY GOTTEN THERE AZZZZZEZZZZ KICKED BY POOR PLAY CALLING LOL….O WELL RAIDERS SUCKS…TOO AND THEY WILL BEAT THE CHIEFS AGAIN..22 GUYS OFF THE STREET??..2 GAMES LOL

By: ThunderChief

ThunderChief — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:57:08 +0000

The 2009 or even 2010 Chiefs reality is that LJ will neither make or break this team. He’s become irrelevant in that context.

By: Red Robin

Red Robin — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:42:29 +0000

chiefs never will be more than a 8&8 team.from now and until 2012..9&7 if were lucky.still do not think haley was the right fit..

By: Red Robin

Red Robin — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:42:14 +0000

chief never be more than a 8&8 team.from now and until 2012..9&7 if were lucky.still do not think haley was the right fit..

By: gorillafan

gorillafan — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:38:46 +0000

I think one of the problems is the line trying to get used to the blocking scheme as well….but they still suck anyway.

I think o’callahan is much better improvement from sackintosh

2 quality additions and we will be okay

By: SG

SG — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:20:47 +0000

“I’m not the only one saying that help is on it’s way…”

Since we’ve seen how this issue was addressed this offseason, what sort of help is on the way? TE help (we traded our TE)…OT help (we cut Sackintosh and picked up other team’s leftovers)…G help (Goff?)…or wait…C (Niswanger)…

By: Blake

Blake — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:37:32 +0000

imagine in free agency and the draft if we did this: signed Logan Mankins to play one of the guard positions, I am not sure the Pats will have enough money to keep him with Wilfork also being a FA. Draft Okung(I think thats his name) or a top offensive linemen with the first pick and our oline could look like this: LT Okung, LG Mankins, C Waters, RG Albert, RT O’Callahan. I think that would be a pretty good offensive line.

By: Harold C.

Harold C. — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:16:06 +0000

I will still be glad he’s gone if he goes and is productive somewhere else. If we kept him it would still be the same story…so no biggie…unless he does it for a division rival.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:08:42 +0000

Barry Sanders nevre had a line . . .

By: Rick

Rick — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:06:53 +0000

LJ could rush for a 1000 yards with a new team and I would still be glad to see him gone. Season ticket holder for 21 years so I have put my money where my mouth is. Peterson should have traded johnson and kept Allen. That put our defense behind ever since. Running backs are a dime a dozen defensive ends like Allen are few and far between!!

By: Frustrated Chief Fan

Frustrated Chief Fan — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:01:14 +0000

It doesn’t matter if he will be successful somewhere else, offensive line or not, he wasn’t successful with the Chiefs anymore. He needs big holes, that are held open long enough to run through because he doesn’t hit the hole fast. Smith and Charles are much quicker.

By: ED

ED — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:00:14 +0000

Bob no one with a little football knowledge doubts that if Larry had a good o-line he wouldn’t run well behind it. I’m glad its over we need to move on. I mean I still have nothing against the guy other than how he’s treated women off the field but that’s another story I want comment on. Either way if he goes somewhere with a good o-line he’ll do fine. Just like with the below average off line we have now Charles and Kolby will do we because they have the burst that Larry has lacked since 2006 to get through the little whole that the o-line can create.

As for Haley’s play calling. Its really simple on how he needs to run this offense. Get Bowe and Chambers into the game early and often. Run Charles more. This guy needs to at least end the Oakland game with 25 touches. 18 to 20 runs and 5 to 7 receptions. Put the ball in playmakers hands you’ll see progress on the field.

By: Jim Lloyd+

Jim Lloyd+ — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:41:53 +0000

I’m not the only one saying that help is on it’s way , but in the meantime use what you’ve got !
They have(4) T-Ends that do little more than sit around . Two of are big and fast for thier size ,
if they were pulling from the outside and working in the middle , this might help , this is here and now . It’s like – try it , you’ll like it .
They are here and Will Shields is not .
There are NO Tackles sitting out there next to the phone , that are at the needed level , This is getting Very expenceive in the meantime .

By: el cid

el cid — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:26:15 +0000

If it matters, TENN is reported to be top runner in the LJ sweepstakes. It doesn’t.

I just do not see Haley changing the way he does things. I expect a tight game, no chances taken on offense (unless you call some odd play calling to start the game – chances), solid Spec Teams play, tough defense with hopefully no big plays given up, and if the Chiefs fall behind then try catch up in the 4th qtr or at least be in the game. Anythng else would mean all of sudden Haley was looking at things differently from all season long and I doubt that will happen,

By: Merwin in NY

Merwin in NY — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:52:07 +0000

As many of us have stated before, it all starts with the offensive line play. With each all pro that retired his average dropped by a good yard. I’m sure with a good line that he can still run the ball. However I’m more concerned with how the remaining backs are going to do against the Raiders this weekend. I would hope Haley will design plays to take better advantage of the speed and ability to catch the pass out of the backfield. I would like to see a more wide open offense Sunday and try to take advantage of a Raider weakness. GO CHIEFS!