Comments on: Herm Speaks: Vol. 5 http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html Dedicated to providing the best coverage of the Kansas City Chiefs. News, commentary, reports, and exclusive inside information - daily! Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:00:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ILChiefsFan http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3750 ILChiefsFan Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:50:13 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3750 Mark, Fair enough. I happen to agree with you that Herm got defensive at that press conference; which was the wrong thing to do. I also have been frustrated with his lack of action on McIntosh and the way he's handled his quarterbacks. I happen to think that Herm's rebuilding plan (if it is his completely) was too aggressive, and it's causing a lot of pain. These are things that people can observe and disagree with. I get irked, though, when I see posters who make assertions that they have no concrete evidence to back up, such as that Tony Gonzalez is not important to Herm, or that Herm "wants to lose", or that Herm wants to get rid of all players he wasn't responsible for drafting, etc., etc., etc. I reserve the right to call people on statements like these. Mark,

Fair enough. I happen to agree with you that Herm got defensive at that press conference; which was the wrong thing to do. I also have been frustrated with his lack of action on McIntosh and the way he’s handled his quarterbacks. I happen to think that Herm’s rebuilding plan (if it is his completely) was too aggressive, and it’s causing a lot of pain. These are things that people can observe and disagree with.

I get irked, though, when I see posters who make assertions that they have no concrete evidence to back up, such as that Tony Gonzalez is not important to Herm, or that Herm “wants to lose”, or that Herm wants to get rid of all players he wasn’t responsible for drafting, etc., etc., etc. I reserve the right to call people on statements like these.

]]> By: Mark http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3737 Mark Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:22:46 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3737 As it should be. Why would any objective Chief fan not be negative about Herm. He's a poor head coach. Herm's record as the Head Coach of the KC Chiefs is what should and does give most Chief Fans a "negative view of him". FYI, I am fully on board with the rebuild, and support Herm's vision of it, but sadly, since the day he started waffling about the QB's every week after Croyle went down, Herm has proven he is not the Head Coach that should be guiding it. Waffling about the QB, sticking with McIntosh, who stands for everything the rebuid is not in spite of horrible performance, while refusing to play a young RT. He's just a poor excuse for an NFL head coach, and is in way over his head. When the "media scum" call him on it, he gets totally defensive, as he did at that press conference. As it should be. Why would any objective Chief fan not be negative about Herm. He’s a poor head coach. Herm’s record as the Head Coach of the KC Chiefs is what should and does give most Chief Fans a “negative view of him”. FYI, I am fully on board with the rebuild, and support Herm’s vision of it, but sadly, since the day he started waffling about the QB’s every week after Croyle went down, Herm has proven he is not the Head Coach that should be guiding it. Waffling about the QB, sticking with McIntosh, who stands for everything the rebuid is not in spite of horrible performance, while refusing to play a young RT. He’s just a poor excuse for an NFL head coach, and is in way over his head. When the “media scum” call him on it, he gets totally defensive, as he did at that press conference.

]]> By: ILChiefsFan http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3730 ILChiefsFan Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:40:53 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3730 Sorry, but it's a little more than "listening to Herm's words"; it's also interpreting them in a manner that conforms to your negative view of him. But I guess that's a popular passtime these days. Sorry, but it’s a little more than “listening to Herm’s words”; it’s also interpreting them in a manner that conforms to your negative view of him. But I guess that’s a popular passtime these days.

]]> By: Mark http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3726 Mark Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:19:47 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3726 Spin??? It's fact, reading and listening to Herm's words. Instead of dissing his best player, and going on about Waters, yes indeed, Herm should have been talking to Tony G throught this travesty, instead of making a very strong point that he wasn't. The "issue" between Herm and Tony is that Herm is clueless offensively, and has ruined Tony's chances of winning in the post season in KC, and it goes back to the Indy playoff game, where Tony, along with LJ and Waters, were vocal and public in their criticism of the gameplan. 1st sentence, findthedr. "Media Scum". "It was an unusual Tuesday for Herm Edwards weekly meeting with the media scum". Spin??? It’s fact, reading and listening to Herm’s words. Instead of dissing his best player, and going on about Waters, yes indeed, Herm should have been talking to Tony G throught this travesty, instead of making a very strong point that he wasn’t. The “issue” between Herm and Tony is that Herm is clueless offensively, and has ruined Tony’s chances of winning in the post season in KC, and it goes back to the Indy playoff game, where Tony, along with LJ and Waters, were vocal and public in their criticism of the gameplan.
1st sentence, findthedr. “Media Scum”. “It was an unusual Tuesday for Herm Edwards weekly meeting with the media scum”.

]]> By: ILChiefsFan http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3717 ILChiefsFan Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:47:49 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3717 Mark, At the risk of sounding harsh, I've got to say that your whole "important enough" question is spin. It assumes what Herm was thinking and completely ignores the possibility that NOT talking to Tony was the right thing to do in this situation. Are you saying that Herm should have asked Tony to stay or told him it's o.k. to go? Can you not believe that it might be counterproductive for a head coach to interfere in a situation like this? How do you equate Herm talking or not talking to Tony with Tony talking to his teammates? Tony felt like he had fences to mend with his teammates. Are you there's some kind of issue between Tony and Herm? If so, what is it? Mark,
At the risk of sounding harsh, I’ve got to say that your whole “important enough” question is spin. It assumes what Herm was thinking and completely ignores the possibility that NOT talking to Tony was the right thing to do in this situation.

Are you saying that Herm should have asked Tony to stay or told him it’s o.k. to go? Can you not believe that it might be counterproductive for a head coach to interfere in a situation like this?

How do you equate Herm talking or not talking to Tony with Tony talking to his teammates? Tony felt like he had fences to mend with his teammates. Are you there’s some kind of issue between Tony and Herm? If so, what is it?

]]> By: Mark http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3705 Mark Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:49:25 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3705 Herm did not think it was important enough to talk to his best player???? That's how out of touch he is with reality. Tony, being the class act he is, made it his business to talk to his teammates first thing, and explain the situation in every detail. Herm could only think about how to punt after another futile offensive series. Herm did not think it was important enough to talk to his best player???? That’s how out of touch he is with reality. Tony, being the class act he is, made it his business to talk to his teammates first thing, and explain the situation in every detail. Herm could only think about how to punt after another futile offensive series.

]]> By: ILChiefsFan http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3699 ILChiefsFan Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:36:55 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3699 I completely disagree. What kind of meaningful response could you possibly give to that question? Could you imagine any NFL coach that would try? The proper response to that question (which Herm didn't give) is "I'm not going to answer that". By the way, Herm said he had not talked to Tony and did not plan to. That's different from refusing to. Refusing implies that you are requested or obligated to do something that you will not do it. I completely disagree. What kind of meaningful response could you possibly give to that question? Could you imagine any NFL coach that would try? The proper response to that question (which Herm didn’t give) is “I’m not going to answer that”.

By the way, Herm said he had not talked to Tony and did not plan to. That’s different from refusing to. Refusing implies that you are requested or obligated to do something that you will not do it.

]]> By: findthedr http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3698 findthedr Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:30:38 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3698 where in the article does it say "media scum" I seem to have missed that, all I see is "media horde" unless this article was edited. where in the article does it say “media scum”
I seem to have missed that, all I see is “media horde” unless this article was edited.

]]> By: Mark http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3694 Mark Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:15:20 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3694 IL, That was a fantastic question, and I applaud Ms Moss for asking it. There should be more questions like that at his press conferences, instead of the usual behind kissing banality. Herm has done a dreadful job as HC of the Chiefs, and it's about time the press is questionning him about it. Herm is the one who said he wouldn't talk to Tony and didn't talk to Tony. IL, That was a fantastic question, and I applaud Ms Moss for asking it. There should be more questions like that at his press conferences, instead of the usual behind kissing banality. Herm has done a dreadful job as HC of the Chiefs, and it’s about time the press is questionning him about it. Herm is the one who said he wouldn’t talk to Tony and didn’t talk to Tony.

]]> By: ILChiefsFan http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3692 ILChiefsFan Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:58:29 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3692 Sorry, but "What does that say about you, about Carl, about this organization that he asked to be traded?" is an idiotic question. It's a question that no coach should respond to with anything but contempt, and only a moron would expect any kind of meaningful response to it. And who said Herm "refused" to talk to Tony? Josh, you're absolutely right. For Herm, as a Head Coach, to inject himself in this situation would be irresponsible. Sorry, but “What does that say about you, about Carl, about this organization that he asked to be traded?” is an idiotic question. It’s a question that no coach should respond to with anything but contempt, and only a moron would expect any kind of meaningful response to it. And who said Herm “refused” to talk to Tony?

Josh, you’re absolutely right. For Herm, as a Head Coach, to inject himself in this situation would be irresponsible.

]]> By: Josh http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3688 Josh Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:47:07 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3688 I think you guys are missing the point on Herm's frustration. I think the reason he was getting upset and being short the way he was is because of him being tired of talking about a trade that never happened. The last time I looked the weekly press conference is supposed to be about the up coming game and about football in general. Not about a player trying to get personal stats or jewelery. I think if the people asking the questions could have figured that out, then it would have been a more meaningful and productive conference. And as far as hard questions Mark those aren't hard questions they are just questions directed at the wrong person - Herm is here to coach the players he has here not worry about what or where the players want or want to go. The reason he didn't talk to Tony about it is because its not his job or responsibility. If Tony had a problem with Herm I am sure he would take it to Herm - if you read the interview that Tony gave yesterday you could see his side of it and see that the problem does not lie in the coaching staff but rather with his own personal objectives. The head coach has more important things to worry about than if Larry has taken his diapers off or if Tony will feels accomplished at the end of his career, he has to worry about "How to get a first down on offense against Tennessee" JB I think you guys are missing the point on Herm’s frustration. I think the reason he was getting upset and being short the way he was is because of him being tired of talking about a trade that never happened. The last time I looked the weekly press conference is supposed to be about the up coming game and about football in general. Not about a player trying to get personal stats or jewelery. I think if the people asking the questions could have figured that out, then it would have been a more meaningful and productive conference. And as far as hard questions Mark those aren’t hard questions they are just questions directed at the wrong person – Herm is here to coach the players he has here not worry about what or where the players want or want to go. The reason he didn’t talk to Tony about it is because its not his job or responsibility. If Tony had a problem with Herm I am sure he would take it to Herm – if you read the interview that Tony gave yesterday you could see his side of it and see that the problem does not lie in the coaching staff but rather with his own personal objectives. The head coach has more important things to worry about than if Larry has taken his diapers off or if Tony will feels accomplished at the end of his career, he has to worry about “How to get a first down on offense against Tennessee”

JB

]]> By: Rich http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3686 Rich Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:22:27 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3686 Clearly, at least to me, there seems to be a growing disconnect between Herm and the front office and their decisions which was prominently manifested during yesterday's news conference. Anyone not seeing that happening is either not watching carefully, or comfortably numb (credit to The Departed). So, if true, we have a house divided which, according to traditional wisdom, cannot stand. Something has to give home readers. I'm beginning to think, with no basis of fact other than my own instincts, that Clark Hunt would rather be back in Dallas considering investment opportunities that do not include running a NFL franchise. Read into that as you will, but I don't believe the young Mr. Hunt is up to the task of being a competent NFL owner...and I'm beginning to believe HE knows it. Clearly, at least to me, there seems to be a growing disconnect between Herm and the front office and their decisions which was prominently manifested during yesterday’s news conference. Anyone not seeing that happening is either not watching carefully, or comfortably numb (credit to The Departed).

So, if true, we have a house divided which, according to traditional wisdom, cannot stand. Something has to give home readers. I’m beginning to think, with no basis of fact other than my own instincts, that Clark Hunt would rather be back in Dallas considering investment opportunities that do not include running a NFL franchise.

Read into that as you will, but I don’t believe the young Mr. Hunt is up to the task of being a competent NFL owner…and I’m beginning to believe HE knows it.

]]> By: Mark http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3685 Mark Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:22:26 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3685 Media scum???? I think for one of the few times in Herm's KC career, he was asked some legit, tough questions. That he got all defensive and just outright stupid shows how coddled Herm usually is by the media "scum". Herm embarrassed himself in that press conference, but not any more than he does actually "coaching". For Herm to refuse to talk to Tony G, both before and after this situation is just utter incompetance, but with Herm what else is new? Media scum???? I think for one of the few times in Herm’s KC career, he was asked some legit, tough questions. That he got all defensive and just outright stupid shows how coddled Herm usually is by the media “scum”. Herm embarrassed himself in that press conference, but not any more than he does actually “coaching”. For Herm to refuse to talk to Tony G, both before and after this situation is just utter incompetance, but with Herm what else is new?

]]> By: Merwin http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/herm-speaks-vol-5.html#comment-3683 Merwin Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:09:03 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=3731#comment-3683 Hey Bob, thanks for the update, I too believe the Titans are the best team we have faced so far this year in respect to being good all around. Lets hope the Chiefs players play to the same level that they did against the Pat's and the Broncos. It would be nice if the coaches found a chink in the Titans amour that we could exploit. I just hope Brodie can survive this game in one piece. Go Chiefs! Hey Bob, thanks for the update, I too believe the Titans are the best team we have faced so far this year in respect to being good all around. Lets hope the Chiefs players play to the same level that they did against the Pat’s and the Broncos. It would be nice if the coaches found a chink in the Titans amour that we could exploit. I just hope Brodie can survive this game in one piece. Go Chiefs!

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