Haley: Too Early To Judge Cassel/Practice Report-Update

From the Truman Sports Complex

Todd Haley said Wednesday afternoon it was too early to judge the performance of starting QB Matt Cassel, other than to say it must improve.

“Two games is too early to recognize an identity of a team,” Haley said. “We obviously need to change things here pretty quick to keep our identity from being something we don’t want it to be. It does take four or five games. The same goes for players.”

Statistically, only Jacksonville’s starting QB Josh McCown has gotten off to a worse start than Cassel. His passer rating is 50.4, a full 20 points behind the next guy above him in the league rankings. His 4.3 yards per passing attempt is the worst in the league. In 10 statistical areas for quarterbacks, Cassel’s highest ranking is No. 13 for completion percentage. Otherwise, he’s ranked 22 and below and in half of those categories, he’s ranked No. 30 or lower.

Haley looked at the numbers for Cassel last year after two games and thinks it’s way too soon to judge his season.

“Try to identify an identity out of Matt last year after two games,” Haley said. “I don’t think you would say in the end he would end up in the Pro Bowl with some very impressive statistics. I want to refrain from making judgments out of a lot of things right now, until we get further down the road. Everybody on this team has to play better, starting with the quarterback. He knows that.”

Here are the numbers for Cassel after two games in 2010 and 2011:

 Yr  Rec  Att  Cmp %  Yds Avg Att Avg Cmp  TD  INT
2010 2-0 50 26 52.0 244 4.9 9.4 1 2
2011 0-2 58 37 63.8 252 4.3 6.8 1 4

The most obvious difference is the team record. It’s something every starting quarterback must shoulder as part of his load. They get paid the most money, they get the most attention and they take the most blame.

“I’m quite confident in Matt and his teammates are quite confident in him that he will do the things needed, when needed to help us win games and be a better team,” Haley said.


WR Jonathan Baldwin and DE Wallace Gilberry appeared to be the only two players that were not taking full participation in practice on Wednesday afternoon as the Chiefs began preparations for the San Diego Chargers.

Baldwin still was wearing¬†a brace on his¬†right wrist and thumb, however, he did not have the thumb and hand wrapped as he’s had in the past.¬†Gilberry left Sunday’s game in Detroit with an unspecified problelm. But he has been battling a¬†right knee problem.

OLB Tamba Hali who left the Detroit game with a left ankle injury appeared to be taking part in all aspects of the practice during the open media window. Same for LT Branden Albert, who left the field with a left leg injury on Sunday but returned four plays later.

In their injury/practice report to the league, the Chiefs listed Gilberry and Baldwin as limited participants and Hali as a full participant in practice. Gilberry wasn’t listed with a knee injury, but a neck problem.

For the Chargers, seven players did not take part in practice on Wednesday: DT Luis Castillo (broken leg), WR Malcom Floyd (groin), TE Antonio Gates (foot), DE Corey Liuget (ankle), ILB Jonas Mouton (shoulder), S Bob Sanders (knee) and RB Mike Tolbert (calf).



16 Responses to “Haley: Too Early To Judge Cassel/Practice Report-Update”

  • September 21, 2011  - ED J says:

    What is he suppose to say he’s trying sell hope. Problem is Haley you don’t have Charles to carry this offense. Our run game is sneaking up on everyone like it did last yr. So 8 to 9 guys is going to be in the box and he’s going to be forced to beat defenses and not only that he’s going up against tougher QB competition. With Rivers, Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, Orton all on the schedule no way he’s going to out play any of those guys. He hasn’t even outplayed Stafford or Fitzpatrick. This smells like 2 to 3 win season and #1 pick in the draft. At least will get Andrew Luck in be in contention for divison run again next season. With Baldwin, Bowe, Breatson, and Moeaki the offense is ready for a big arm to help this team.

  • September 21, 2011  - ED J says:

    To all the idiots who said Haley stripped play calling away from Weis last yr and thats why we lost to Raiders and Ravens in the offseason check out this link which clearly states what went down:

  • September 21, 2011  - Petey says:

    I’m glad you have to resort to fourth grade name calling Ed (not that I ever thought that Haley took playcalling away), but come on, you should be better than that.

  • September 21, 2011  - ED J says:

    First of all if you wasn’t one of the ones that said it then don’t be offended by it. Its just absurd people spreaded rumors media and fans alike that Haley stripped Weis of play calling duties and thats why offense was terrible against Raiders and Ravens. REason offense stumbled from then up to now is lack of explosion in passing game. Teams figured out stop Chiefs run game or establish 2 score lead we’re not able to overcome that because our QB can’t throw receivers open nor can he strech the field. That’s why team is going to be a 2 or 3 win team

  • September 21, 2011  - Tenand6 says:

    McClain is a much better back than people may realize. Thomas Jones needs to sit down and McClain needs to carry the ball and catch it about 30 times a game.

    Baldwin also needs to get on the field. Cassel needs a big body receiver who can jump.

  • September 21, 2011  - Chuck says:

    EDJ; Iam really sorry to rain on your Andrew Luck parade but looking carefully at the way Pioli does business he would try his damnest to “trade down” and save the bucks. You have forgotten that Hunt/Pioli are CHEAP ASSES. I too want Andrew Luck along with about 5 or 6 other teams but at this point it seems like a looooong shot to me. Would they really trade Cassel???? I have been a true Chiefs fans ever since Super Bowl #1 but I have to admit that the last few weeks my enthuiasm is starting to wane.

  • September 21, 2011  - ED J says:

    Im have to disagree with you. First of all there is this thing called rookie wage scale so Luck is not going get the kind of money guys like Bradford and Stafford got. Second they said same thing about Pioli not willing to draft a safety that high in Berry. Last after a 2 or 3 win season they’.re gone need sell some tickets and Luck can provide them that.

  • September 21, 2011  - el cid says:

    How this plays out will be interesting. Actually I am hoping for a win against SD. Gamblers made SD a 15 point favorite but something has to click sometime and sunday would be helpful.

    I have no faith in Pioli other than to make Haley the scapegoat if the season continues as it started. Draft Luck, would not trust Pioli to cross a street. Get it in writing and the losing of a season might, MIGHT, be worth the it. But what if Luck gets hit by a train next week, want to give up a season of us “knowing” what Pioli may do?

  • September 21, 2011  - Michael says:

    Just curious, el cid. What exactly is your deal with Pioli? You’ve spewed nothing but venom his way every since he got to KC; so much so it almost seems like some kind of psychosis. Did he kick your dog or steal your candy or something?

    I definitely do not agree with all the moves Pioli has made since he arrived, especially the lack of free agent signings, but what proof do you have that Pioli doesn’t want to spend more money. Hunt controls the money, and it seems to me if he wanted it spent it would be spent. Pioli’s drafting? So far he hasn’t been lights out, but he hasn’t been the worst I’ve seen by far either.

    Agree, McClain should now get a lot more carries. Got to see what he can do.

  • September 21, 2011  - Thomas Salmon says:

    I’m so tired of this imaginary conspiracy that Pioli was somehow pulling the strings on Haley. The majority of the evidence would suggest that Haley has had free reign so far.

    Those calling for Haley’s head are not merely focusing upon the two blowout losses this season. Haley has shown his ass in his dealings with former assistants and veteran players. And again, there are the El Foldo losses at the end of last year and in the playoff game against the Ravens. Not to even mention the completely blown training camp strategy and disastrous preseason games. We were led to believe that Haley was some kind of genius for focusing on conditioning (to prevent injuries) rather than game preparation in camp. In the end, the Chiefs players were neither in condition nor prepared to play. Todd Haley has failed in the most basic requirements of his job as an NFL head coach. Time to go.

  • September 21, 2011  - aPauled says:

    Tenand6 is right on. Sign Cox to play FB. McClain becomes the primary RB. McCluster the change of pace back. Somebody, anybody (Breaston, Urban, Baldwin) become a legit second receiving threat. And if Cassel can’t get the fog cleared…let’s see what Stanzi can do.

  • September 22, 2011  - el cid says:

    Thomas Supposedly in the book about Pioli and the Chiefs, War Room, Haley had no say offensively in the playoff game. Have not read it yet so I may not be factual, will know in NOV. Does that qualify as a conspiracy? Not sure.

    About Pioli. to me he is like all those two bit countries who love the US dollar to maintain their life styles and burn the American flag, curse us for the media, do as much damage as possible in the UN and will not provide their own people drinking water. Just be sure to send the millions but they are no friends of ours. I see Pioli the same way. Built the first string, sort of. Will not add veteran FAs, drafting is behind for a team that was useless when he got here, his drafting is pretty poor. Tells we mere mortals nothing but cannot wait to talk with NE sites and media. But be sure to send in your season tickets money and get your parking paid. By the by he is not going to spend the minimum for player salaries but send in the money anyway. In turn he is probably just what the Hunts have in mind and will be here for the near future, so all I can do is try to keep folks aware of the shortcomings of the GM. He is no friend of KC>

  • September 22, 2011  - Petey says:

    I guess you missed the point Ed so I’ll try to be more blunt.

    Why don’t you leave the name calling to the 8 year olds. Make your point with out belittling anyone.

    Make sense this time?

  • September 22, 2011  - ED J says:

    No it doesnt because you what you are? To say Haley would strip anyone of his play calling duties without it being viable evidence was stupid and idiotic. Did he make mistake in his preparation this season yes and no. When i actually watch the games we come out playing close games early then offense stalls do to bad Qb play and other team gets going and we get blowed out. Not Haley fault he had backup Qb. Also i went and watch us play against Ravens and Raiders last.season its same story. We battle Ravens all the way into halftime dwn 10 to 7 then got blew out bcuz Qb made some bad reads threw pick 6 game blow wide open.

    Then against Raiders same thing he threw more balls in the dirt that game. But once again game was close thanks to Jamal breakin off couple big runs going into halftime was once again close. But once again offense continues to stall bcuz Raiders begin to.stop.run game. I will say mid 3 quarter his protection got worse but in 1st half when it was good he couldnt capitalize. Bottom lime Haley in same position Whisenhunt in AZ was in last yr. Handicapped by bad Qb play.

    So Sun will play Chargers close early then after Cassel wont be able get touchdowns or convert 3rd dwns will get blown out again. Only hope we have of winninng this game is special teams and defense scoring touchdowns

  • September 22, 2011  - Petey says:

    Wow, Ed…all I can really say is wow.

  • September 22, 2011  - Michael says:

    The author of the book “War Room” has emphatically stated that Pioli never told Haley anything about whether he should, could or could not remove Weiss from the playcalling. Is was Haley’s call all the way, and he chose not to make a change for continuity. Here’s a link for anyone who wants facts over gossip and conspiracy:


    El cid, your take on Pioli: Pioli is like countries at the UN taking American money and burning American flags…and something about water…what?

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