Game-Day Leftovers …Tuesday Cup O’Chiefs
They are not there yet, but if the results continue to go south like they have for the 2009 Chiefs, this team will enter some dangerous territory for Todd Haley.
A coach can’t work his team as hard as Haley has done with the Chiefs and expect to be loved and admired. That’s no big deal because most NFL players don’t like their head coach anyway.
But a coach can’t work his team as hard as Haley has and not give the players a little sugar, in this case in the form of a victory. The longer it takes to get the first winning effort of the Haley Era, the closer the locker room will be to tuning out their head coach.
That’s not visible now, but a victory is badly needed by everyone in the Arrowhead tepee.
Here are a few other thoughts left over from the weekend in Philly and what happened on Sunday at Lincoln Financial Field:
PENALTIES ARE A PAIN
The flags thrown against the Chiefs on Sunday were just killer moments, mostly for the offense. Of the 10 penalties that were walked off, seven of those belonged to the offense, one to the defense and two came in the kicking game.
It was a strange day with the zebras. All but one of the Chiefs starting offensive linemen was hit with a flag. Only RG Mike Goff got away without extra laundry. C Rudy Niswanger, LT Branden Albert and RT Ikechuku Ndukwe were all called for holding and LG Brian Waters was hit for a false start.
The Chiefs got hit with two offensive pass interference calls and those were both borderline. There were some bubble screens in the passing attack on Sunday and there’s a real fine line between a teammate legally throwing a block and a teammate interfering with the defense.
That’s 19 penalties in two games; the Chiefs can’t continue to live that way.
DISAPPEARING DEFENSIVE ENDS
How can both Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson play a game where they are not credited with a single tackle, assist, sack, pressure or QB hurry. The post-game stat sheet contained no evidence that either defensive end played the game.
Now, the Chiefs use defensive statistics that are compiled by the defensive coaching staff while watching game tape. That look awarded Jackson with one tackle. Dorsey was still shutout. That just should never happen, especially when you are talking about the third player (Jackson) and fifth player (Dorsey) taken in back-to-back drafts.
The defensive line is one of the toughest spots for a rookie to contribute, but the problem with Jackson and Dorsey is they are too inconsistent. Dorsey had his best game in the NFL the week before against Oakland. Then he gets shutout playing the Eagles. These guys are yo-yos and we know that Haley doesn’t like guys who go up and down. Both of those guys need to get that performance level evened out.
Right now, the best defensive end the Chiefs have is the unheralded Wallace Gilberry. Although he doesn’t get a lot of snaps, Gilberry tends to make things happen when he’s on the field.
SIGNS OF A STRUGGLING & INCONSISTENT OFFENSE
No matter how you look at what the Chiefs offense is doing on the field, the numbers indicate problems. There’s the obvious bad third-down conversion rate, including getting shutout by the Eagles (0 for 11).
But there are other signs of an offense out of whack. In his first game last week with the Chiefs, WR Bobby Wade was the favorite receiver for QB Matt Cassel. Wade was the target nine times and caught six passes for 72 yards. Against Philadelphia, with starter Dwayne Bowe out of the action, Wade was the target just four times, catching two passes for 13 yards. And, it wasn’t like the Eagles loaded up the coverage on Wade.
SIGHTS & SOUNDS FROM PHILLY
The City of Brotherly Love has grouped their sports stadiums and arenas together for some time. Before it was Veterans Stadium and down Pattison was the Spectrum. Just down in the next block was JFK Stadium.
Now, they have the best sports area in the country. Lincoln Financial Field is first class for the Eagles. Right up the block is Citizen’s Bank Park for the Phillies and then across 11th Street from the Linc and where JFK Stadium once stood is the Wachovia Center where the Sixers and Flyers play.
One wonders how an eastern city with all the problems that a place like Philadelphia has could afford the investment in three buildings for sports teams. The arena opened in 1996, the Linc in 2003 and the baseball park in 2004. The combined cost just for the buildings was $1.176 billion.
Maybe it’s the new stadium, maybe it was the lack of ferocity in the game they were watching, but the Eagles fans were very passive on Sunday. With a great view from the Linc press box, I saw nary a fight or even an argument. That would not have been true in the old Vet.
But I do have to give it to the Eagles fans. I’ve never seen an NFL stadium where more fans wore the jersey of the home team than Philly. Just in the sections below the press box, it was 70 percent of the people had an Eagles jersey of some kind. The folks who count the money from NFL merchandise just love those Eagles fans.
POST-WEEKEND INJURY UPDATE AROUND THE LEAGUE
- BILLS – FS Donte Whitner (thumb), CB Leodis McKelvin (fibula), SS Bryan Scott (ankle) and LT Demetrius Bell (groin) all left Sunday’s game against New Orleans.
- COLTS – The club was awaiting the results of an MRI test taken Monday morning by DE Dwight Freeney. On the last play of the third quarter against Arizona on Sunday night, Freeney suffered a right quadriceps injury.
- DOLPHINS – Tests on the right shoulder of QB Chad Pennington show a torn capsule in his throwing shoulder and that will sideline him for the rest of the season. The injury was suffered in the third quarter of Sunday’s game against San Diego. Pennington is seeking a second opinion; he’s had surgery on the same shoulder in 2004 and 2005.
- 49ERS – The team was waiting for MRI results on the right ankle injury suffered on Sunday by RB Frank Gore. He suffered the injury in last week’s game against Seattle.
- RAMS – Tests showed QB Marc Bulger suffered a bruised rotator cuff and while the injury will keep him out of this weekend’s game against Pittsburgh, he should return. But St. Louis has lost WR Laurent Robinson who will undergo surgery after a leg fracture. His season is over.
- REDSKINS – DT Albert Haynesworth traveled to Nashville for an MRI exam on what was thought to be a hip flexor injury that he suffered on Sunday against Detroit. Turns out he has a strained glut and that should not keep him off the field.
SIGNINGS & MOVEMENT AROUND THE LEAGUE
- BUCCANEERS – named Josh Johnson starting quarterback, replacing Byron Leftwich who moved to the third team spot behind rookie Josh Freeman.
- JAGUARS – signed DE Bryan Smith off the Rams practice squad; released CB Kennard Cox and and DE Jeremy Navarre.
- PATRIOTS – signed DT Terdell Sands; released LB Prescott Burgess.
FROM THE PAGES OF CHIEFS HISTORY
On September 29, 1963, the Chiefs lost to Chargers in San Diego 24-10 at Balboa Stadium. A crowd of 22,654 enjoyed an afternoon under sunny skies with temperatures in the low 80s and the Chargers jumped to a 21-3 first-half lead that held up for the victory. QB Tobin Rote threw three touchdown passes, two to TE Dave Kocourek (20 and 35 yards) and one to RB Keith Lincoln for 16 yards. Rote ended up completing 10 of 16 passes for 127 yards. LB E.J. Holub had an interception. “We didn’t do a good job handling their defensive line,” said Chiefs coach Hank Stram. “They won it up front.”
On September 29, 1974, the Chiefs beat the Houston Oilers 17-7 at the Astrodome. Both offenses struggled in the first half, failing to score a point and each one had less than 100 yards of offense. In the second half, the Chiefs defense made some breaks for their offense, as they picked off a pair of QB Lynn Dickey’s passes and also caused a fumble. CB Emmitt Thomas’ interception came in the end zone to stop one Houston drive. RB Willie Ellison scored on an eight-yard run and then QB Mike Livingston threw eight yards to Morris Stroud for a touchdown. K Jan Stenerud added a 35-yard FG.
On September 29, 1985, the Chiefs beat the Seattle Seahawks 28-7 at Arrowhead Stadium. The Chiefs offense had a rough afternoon, producing just 165 yards in total offense. But they scored four times, including a pair of TD passes from QB Bill Kenney to WR Stephone Paige for 34 and eight yards. RB Herman Heard scored on a two-yard run and Kenney had a one-yard quarterback sneak. The Chiefs defense came through with five interceptions, as FS Deron Cherry grabbed four of those. The other landed in the hands of CB Greg Hill.
On September 29, 1996, the Chiefs lost to the San Diego Chargers 22-19 at Qualcomm Stadium in San Diego. This game was 19-19 when Chargers kicker John Carney hit a 33-yard field goal with less than four minutes to play that sealed the victory. It was a battle of field goal kickers as Carney was five for five and the Chiefs K Pete Stoyanovich was four of five. San Diego’s only touchdown came on an 81-yard punt return by DB Darrien Gordon. The Chiefs only TD was a three-yard pass from QB Steve Bono to TE Jimmie Johnson.
SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY …
Born on September 29, 1974 in Cedar Rapids, Iowa was WR Dedric Ward
(right). He’s currently the wide receivers coach on Todd Haley’s staff with the Chiefs. Ward played eight NFL seasons, appearing in 103 games with the Jets, Dolphins, Ravens, Patriots and Cowboys. He caught 167 passes over his career for 2,307 yards and 12 touchdown catches. The Northern Iowa product also returned 123 punts for an average of 8.3 yards.
Born on September 29, 1968 in Los Angeles was CB Tahaun Lewis. He joined the Chiefs for the 1992 season and played one game that year. It was his only appearance in the NFL for the University of Nebraska product.
That one tackle Jackson was involved was an assist .
It’s like their being told to not break away from their off. blocker’s .
Jarred Allen alway’s start’s working to the outside and turn’s quick to the inside , if the play is not going out and end’s up meeting the ball .
Us fans need a little sugar too. We have an offense that is not performing….we have a defense that is not performing….sugar is looking to be scarce.
The players need to make their own “sugar.”
It won’t be any easier this week against the Giants. It will be interesting to see if the Chiefs can stop Jacobs and Bradshaw from running all over the place. The time to step up, is NOW.
Haley is just what I thought he was… an offensive coordinator on a 9-7 team that made an improbable run to the super bowl carried by their defense in the playoffs and a great group of WR’s.
It’s looking to be an 0-16 year fella’s, I can’t see the chiefs beating even the Bungles this year after the way they played the steelers.
arrowhead1978 says:
“Haley is just what I thought he was… an offensive coordinator on a 9-7 team that made an improbable run to the super bowl carried by their defense in the playoffs and a great group of WR’s.”
I just cannot understand how some of you guys can make final judgements on Haley this early. He’s a Rookie coach who took over a pathetic team. He doesn’t have a whole helluva lot to work with. Give the man some time. Yes, the Chiefs are 0-3. Did anyone really expect something different? We should have beat Oakland, true enough. But I don’t think anyone really expected the Chiefs to go to Baltimore or Philly and win. They’re both damn good teams, and we played them in their house.
Let’s see where the Chiefs are at towards the end of the season before we run Haley out of town. I mean, come on – Belichick couldn’t win with this team right now.
The reason I can make snap judgements is because I am a douchebag loser and no one likes me or respects my opinions, due to the fact that my nose is so far up Rin’s ass.
“I am a douchebag loser and no one likes me”
That part, I can believe. That you are actually arrowhead1978? I do not believe.
The Chiefs suffer from a lack of talent, period. Bad drafting is the root cause of that. Dorsey looks more and more like an expensive bust. We could’ve drafted Ryan Clady in that position in 08. Then, we could’ve grabbed Joe Flacco with the #15 pick we used on Albert, who is also underperforming IMO. Two of the top performers from last year’s draft, and we were in position to get both of em.
We still would have the issues on defense to clear up.
Bob, you never would have written an article like this under king carl – you’re lucky haley even will answer your questions. He looks so pissed off at you during his press conferences.
Don’t be mad because you got fired from kcchiefs.com
Bellicheck went 5-11 his first Patriot year. Parcells was 3-12-1 in his first Giants campaign. When Parcells came out of his first retirement with the Patriots they won 5 games. In his first season with the Jets they started 1-6 before finishing 9-7. All of these were influenced by the move from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and the same “my way or the hiway” coaching style.
HAVE A LITTLE FREAKIN’ PATIENCE!!
The thing is, Randy, hindsight is 20/20 when it comes to the draft. Of course the Chiefs would like to have Flacco. Now.
I’m not quite ready to label Dorsey a bust just yet, either. I think Albert will be okay, but too much was made of his play last year I believe. Running the type of Offense the Chiefs are now is a different animal the “spread” they ran much of last year. He needs to play smarter, right now is his biggest problem. Of course, the same could be said of most of the team.
I got it! We need a scoreboard just like the one in the middle of Cowboys Stadium. We could line up Moe as snapper. Then we could invite the kickers from every team and see if they could kick one of his balls into the scoreboard. Moe, that was uncalled for…
It’s hard to even judge what our receiving is like. We don’t even know if we have any talent. When 2 guys, not 1, but 2 are coming at you untouched at full speed…come on!
Can we call Roaf and Shields to come in for some consulting? If we had the 2005 O-Line, we could probably win some games. Or at least see if we can actually catch some balls…heh heh heh…he said balls…
Why would we draft Flaco when we have Cassell. Its not like Cassell is a bad quarterback. We could have Flaco right now behind that o-line and we still be losing. Then you all would be saying Flaco is a bust and why did we draft a guy with a big arm from a small school. ITs amazing how winning all of a sudden shape people opinion of other players. Flaco is having success with Ravens because they have a good o-line and defense. Same way Cassell was winning when he was playing for a good team in the Pats. Problem isn’t Cassell its the players around him.
I’m tired of arguing the same point its not Haley/Pioli fought they inherited AFC version of the Lions. Bottom line the o-line stinks and we had so many wholes on this team we couldn’t address in one off season. Will still win about 6 games this year which will be a plus for this team. And will bounce back next addressing the o-line, OLB, and wideout. Those main position thats hurting the team right now. Especially o-line.
ED says:
“Why would we draft Flaco when we have Cassell.”
If we would have had Flacco, we wouldn’t have needed Cassel.
I agree with most of the rest you said. My only point was that: In the draft, you never really know what you have until it’s said and done. Some “can’t miss” picks do miss, and some guys you never even heard of become great players. It’s easy to look back and say they should have taken this guy or that guy, after they’ve played a year or two in the league.
As far as offense goes I think it’s all about the O’line. I think if we had the O’line we had under Vermeil that we would be a contender. Right now we have no protection for the quarterback and no holes opened up for the running back and no rest for the defense.
Harold C. says:
“As far as offense goes I think it’s all about the O’line. I think if we had the O’line we had under Vermeil that we would be a contender. Right now we have no protection for the quarterback and no holes opened up for the running back and no rest for the defense.”
No argument there. To top it off, the below average guys they have now are playing stupid. The holding and false starts have got to stop.
ED, please let me know your opinion on which 6 teams the chiefs will beat this year.
I know the eagles are a good team, but when westbrook is out, Mcnabb is out, Curtis is out that’s 3 good players on the offense that didn’t play, the chiefs should of been able to control the game a little bit better. McCoy ran all over the chiefs, Kolb passed all over the chiefs. Kolb up until the week before last hadn’t thrown for more than 200 yards in a game.
I LIKE BANANAS!
arrowhead1978,
They’ll definitely beat your mom. Just like I do every nite when she tries to avoid paying me.
“Kolb up until the week before last hadn’t thrown for more than 200 yards in a game.”
Kolb up until the week before last hadn’t started a game.
“if the results continue to go south like they have for the 2009 Chiefs”
- ‘if’? This team is DOA, the wunderkind weebles
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having managed to tip this team over despite the (dead)weight of hollow promises designed to keep the bandwagon upright.
This is the most pathetically coached, gm’d, and run (into the ground) disaster in the history of the franchise.
Cue ‘Bombo’ the “0-20 here we come, right back where we started from” variety & starring as Al Jolson in blackface the Chiefs under (dis)guise a real football organization… nice.
Let’s face it, 10 penalties for 90 yards, 9 punts to your opponent’s 3, 3 sacks on your QB for -19 yards and a 3rd down efficiency of 0/11? It’s not just the O-Line, although it would help the defense tremendously if we had control of the ball a little longer. Did I say 3rd down efficiency of 0/11? Oh, but we did have a 4th down efficiency of 2/2! Not bad eh?
Good stuff. Needed my Chief’s fix since I wasn’t able to watch the game yesterday!
Have a little patience with Hailey all ‘ye faithful. He didn’t exactly inherit the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Should we blame Hailey for the penalties? Humm… maybe.
Do you think the Big Tuna is looking out for the Chiefs (maybe unless there’s a conflicting interest; i.e. Miami Dolphins)? I wouldn’t want my son-in-law to fail.
Finally – As Mitch Holthus said to Brandon Flowers on 101 the Fox last evening, “… this thing will get turned around.”
Peace,
Lou
“One wonders how an eastern city with all the problems that a place like Philadelphia has could afford the investment in three buildings for sports teams. The arena opened in 1996, the Linc in 2003 and the baseball park in 2004. The combined cost just for the buildings was $1.176 billion.”
- maybe Jerry Jones loaned them a few hundred… million/billion. Anyone saw that Grand Canyon of a football wound on the face of the Earth Dallas must come to the conclusion that keeping up with the Joneses requires them help you (‘less you’re acquainted with his friends the Benjamins.)
“This is the most pathetically coached, gm’d, and run (into the ground) disaster in the history of the franchise.”
You mean, WAS. The previous two years. That’s why the Chiefs are where they are. Pioli and Haley are only trying to pick up the pieces of the broken mess left behind.
C.S. says:
“Should we blame Hailey for the penalties? Humm… maybe.”
He blamed himself. He said it was “on him”, as coach. The entire quote was:
“Penalties are something we coach hard and talk about a lot,” said Haley. “We’ve got to do a better job as coaches. When you have that many penalties two weeks in a row that falls on me.”
“I do have to give it to the Eagles fans. . . never seen an NFL stadium where more fans wore the jersey of the home team than Philly. Just in the sections below the press box it was 70 percent of the people had an Eagles jersey of some kind.”
- Rin wonders as He wanders if that’s reverence for a fandom’s job well done and/or a matter/jab at chiefsfandumb who, for all of their claims an unified front are now dropping like flies fromst the roles season ticket holders, game day sales & merchandise acquisition for the home- Rin says the home because as of today – much like the bag o’er the head fashion statement – the only place any decent chiefs fan would wear a jersey or the like would be in the ‘relative safety’ their own living room … how far this chiefs organization has fallen in 2009. Embarrassing…
“. . . never seen an NFL stadium where more fans wore the jersey of the home team than Philly.”
Bob says “never” here; he doesn’t say “haven’t recently”.
Rin Tin Tin says:
“the only place any decent chiefs fan would wear a jersey or the like would be in the ‘relative safety’ their own living room”
Then you’re a “fair weather” fan, and not a real Chiefs fan at all. It’s still “Red Fridays” around here, and I don’t know anyone who is too “embarassed” to show their support for our team. We may not like the way things have been going, but we’re still proud to be Chiefs fans.
Your dim view of this organization is just that, YOUR view. You’re entitled to it, and a few may even agree with it. But, the overwhelming majority does not.
“Then you’re a “fair weather” fan, and not a real Chiefs fan at all.”
- then you’re Mad…and angry too – heh heh heh!
I’m embraced by shame…(but not really.)
SPINFX said: “Let’s face it, 10 penalties for 90 yards, 9 punts to your opponent’s 3, 3 sacks on your QB for -19 yards and a 3rd down efficiency of 0/11? It’s not just the O-Line, although it would help the defense tremendously if we had control of the ball a little longer.”
Lets see….
- 10 penalties…..most of those were on the O’line.
- 3 sacks on our QB…..no protection from our O
- 3rd down efficiency 0/11…..how many would we have converted with better protection from our O?
No….it’s not ALL our O’line….but it is MOSTLY our O’line. There really is no question that just about all areas would be vastly improved with competent play from our O’line.
Rin Tin Tin,
Nothing you could say on an internet comment section is going to make me “angry”. I appreciate your effort, but it’s wasted on me.
I’m a football fan, but my life doesn’t revolve around it. I look forward to the day when the Chiefs become a winning team again, and that day is coming. But, win or lose, my life goes on just the same. My children and wife, friends, work, Church, and community services…those are the important things to me. So, in the grand scheme of things, football is not really a high priority.
Here’s another indicator: at what point in Chiefs history has there ever been so a little desire to wear a jersey of a player?
The 2009 ‘chiefs’ may rival those 1974-1978 21 wins in 5 years teams for lack of devotion via official team accoutremants display.
Even those teams (most of them and at least one) had the former greats then nearing end of their careers to impersonate in jersey’s numbered 16, 89, 86, 78, 63, 18 and on and on…this massive football pileup known as ‘The Patriot Way 2009′ has NO ONE – NO PLAYER – who deserves anyone for to wear their jersey.
Potential ‘players’ of renown the future? That’s always the case. The line forms to the right as always doth hope. But any one who is ‘right now’ a must have/wear #? Look long, look hard, then look some more.
#7? Should wear #63 (w/apologies to Willie) or just have that same number of $ signs all over his jersey. #27? Well, that’d about match his average yards per carry in 2009. #55? Oh sorry, ol LB done hobbled off back into yesterday yet another failed signing by
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to unearth talent (you can cover Zach & his ilk a Toomer and the still kicking tho not evidencing any football life though still clinging to the topside the earthen gridiron Mssrs. an Engram, Goff, Brown, Vrabel… you know, that veteran leadership’s helped KC it’s fine 0-7 mark the season…
Where’s the vomit bag…
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are making all of KC sick.
Even Carl Peterson was a sharp enough marketeer to get an #19 Montana and a #32 Allen among others to help the crowd be parted with some it’s $keptici$m a football team of renown sense…puled the jersey over chiefsfandumbs eyes then too as it were, but, laughed all the way to the bank, like this:
ah, ah, ah-hahahahahahah1 And “heh heh heh!”
U fans define contender through W/L…I define it through competitive play, game in and game out. I remember when we finished 13-3 under Vermiel had home field adv. ready 2 face the Colts. There I was at the sportsbar with other Chief fans they screaming telling every1 we were SB bound. I cant lie, I even tried a slice of the BS pie Carl Peterson serve me up only 2 be let down by the suspect D that he failed 2 address in the draft! My Point is this, I dont care if we brought the 03-05′ line in here 2morrow we still wouldnt win b/c we dont have players and a coach who will compete for 4qtrs and thats just the reality of this situation!
Can’t take credit for calling out your mom wasn’t me even though it was funny. As for the who we’re going beat for those 6 games. Browns, Bengals, Bills, Jags, Broncos, Raiders, Chargers, and Redskins. Thats more than 6 but will get 6 out of that group. And possibly win a game wasn’t expected to against giants, cowboys, or steelers. If we happen to loose to one of those teams we shouldn’t.
Bottom line expectations were too high for this team even my own. Because we’re tired of the losing and starving for a winner. But we all should have expected this. The schedule was the toughest in first half of the season for any team especially a rebuilding one. That QB started first game of the season in week 2. The o-line is a mess. The offense is learning a new playbook. And we still lack a pass rusher at OLB. Vrabel is serviceable but he’s not true pass rushing OLB. Linebackers are the stars in a 3-4 not defensive lineman Bob. And any competent football fan or media member that covers the sport should know that.
However there is light at the end of the tunnel. We’re so caught up in the team’s losing that now we’re expecting the worse.
mad cheif
right on with everything you said
Just like Broncos fans are over estimating their team’s early success we’re under estimating our team’s success during the second half of the schedule. Chargers will win the division by default because they have the most talent. Broncos are 3 and 0 but only because they’ve been play a cupcake schedule. They still have a horrible front seven however they still are further along than we are. Raiders have Russell at QB enough said there.
The Chiefs will be a diffent team second half of the season. They’ll face weaker opponents and division games. And regardless of how bad season you’re having you’ll always have a chance to beat division opponents because you know them so well. Next the offense will have gelled by then. One thing everyone also is losing site of Cassell and the rest of the team are running a different offense from what Chan brought in. Haley says its the same he’s lying. Its not. Charles admitted in press conferences and so did Brodie and Cassell. By the second half of the season they would have grasped it. All in all the team will look good second half of the season just like Vermeil team did in his first yr.
Do anyone remember that. We start off 1 and 6. We all were wanting to run Vermeil off saying he should’ve never gotten Trent Green. He’s a bust. Vermeil just can’t relate to young players anymore yatta yatta. Then we won the last 4 out of 7 during the second half of the season. The rest is history. We as fans didn’t follow the history of the rebuilding process and like then now we’re screaming the sky is falling when we should’ve lowered our expectation in yr 1 of Pioli/Haley era.
Since this thread is “Game Day Leftovers”, here are a couple of random comments based on the NFL.com video recap (http://www.nfl.com/videos/philadelphia-eagles/09000d5d812f2c93/Eagles-34-Chiefs-14):
- at :49 is a cutback run for a big gain by the Eagles rookie RB. Hali gets caught too far upfield (not unusual for him), but Mays comes in and plugs the gap, forcing the cutback. Tyson Jackson has been pushed out of the play, leaving an opening, but Brandon Flowers is there to close it. Unfortunately the RB fakes Flowers completely out of his socks and is off to the races. A play like this is frustrating to watch.
- The NFL Gamebook says the Chiefs D had no QB hurries. How is the play starting at 1:00 of the video not a QB hurry?
These last three games have confirmed that Pioli and Haley had absolutely no idea what they were doing at draft time last year. In a draft brimming over with O-line talent, they grabbed a low first round DE with the third overall pick and they selected only one offensive line prospect which did not come until the 5th round… And this is after they traded a second round pick to NE for Pioli’s golden boy in Matt Cassel. Did they not watch any tape from last year? If they had, they would have seen that the average life expectancy for a starting QB in Kansas City over the last few years has not been very good. Why bring in a QB if you can’t protect him? It makes NO SENSE! And now we’re forced to sit here and wonder if Cassel really is the guy, when he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Just like with Brodie before him, you can’t expect to be able to run a pro style offense if your QB never gets time to throw the football. The O-line needs a major overhaul. The chiefs won’t improve until that happens.
Could’s, Would’s, and Should’s. The Chiefs just flat cannot draft impact talent. Look at the roster, how many starters began their careers with the Chiefs? We are playing with cast offs many of which do not belong. Haley is using this year, the entire year to see what is here. What a waste time. All of us going to games where the Chiefs do not belong on the same field as the team they play. It is not just the Chiefs, even the Royals are talking 7 more years to be competitive in pro baseball. Any of us, ho are into pro sports and what they mean to KC, are sucking the hind teat. That just the way it is.
Just to play the other side, for the O-line:
Have they been given a fair chance? Really? Two of the three teams we’ve played so far have had killer defenses. The Ravens and Philly can both bring the heat, big time. They did play better the week before, against the Raiders. Is it fair to judge them based on their play against two of the best defensive teams in the NFL?
Unfortunately, it won’t get much better with the Giants rolling into town.
Not to say that I necessarily believe what I just wrote. But, I can see that side of it.
First everyone remember, this is just football, not life.
Second, it will take time to get this team back to being competitive, much less a contender. Our talent level is very bad when compared to the teams we will be playing. Look at Dallas last night, without their starter, they still racked up nearly 200 yards on the ground because of the talent they have. We may go 0-16 this year, but we will be better next year.
It all starts with the offensive line. If the line gives any NFL quarterback time, he will be successful. Our quarterback has no time. You cannot fix a bad team in one year. Especially when that team has so many holes.
And let’s stop the talk about whether we should have drafted Mark Sanchez. He has a great o-line and a great defense. Remember, this team was successful with Farve until his shoulder gave out.
We have the right QB, just need a better o-line.
“They did play better the week before, against the Raiders. Is it fair to judge them based on their play against two of the best defensive teams in the NFL?”
I agree with your overall point, Mad Chief; and if people are freaking out now, how are they going to feel after the Giants game?
However, there were Chiefs O-line failures against the Ravens and Eagles that were either mental mistakes or lack of preparation (coaching); either way they didn’t have to happen. The bright side of this is that theoretically these problems can be fixed, thus improving O-line play at least a little.
The face or jersey chiefsfandumb 2009 is in fact not even player: the ‘face’ of this organization should be a numberless (as in ’0′/# of wins that we won’t have) jersey with the face a red-faced and screaming former golf coach
the front and a GM with an “I just cr****d my draft pants” look his face on the back; coming or going makes you want to run or gives you the runs regardless.
Oh, boy…
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/29/chiefs-deal-thigpen-to-dolphins/
Hey we get back that #2 pick we got r***d for by the Dolphins for “Chicklets” & “Clippers”!
Best of luck to you Tyler “The Little Big Man From Coastal Carolina” Thigpen … you are now going to yet another 0-3 winner! courtesy Parcells
and 
school of football ineptitude…
heh heh heh!
“#2 pick we got r***d for by the Dolphins for “Chicklets” & “Clippers”!”
Citation, please. And the voices in your head don’t count.
Well, that’ll start a sh*tstorm among the Thigpen faithfuls.
BTW, congrats to Tyler. He’ll be closer to a starting job in Miami than he would have been with the Chiefs. He’s earned that shot.
Absloutely, ILChiefsFan. Miami will be a good fit for Thigpen, with the Offense they run. I seriously hope he tears it up down there. He’s a good guy. Unfortunately, he just didn’t fit in with what the Chiefs are trying to do now.
its a good deal for both sides, we needed a pick back
exactly, we have the right QB, NO QB WOULD PUT UP NUMBERS WITH THIS OL…our QB has to throw quick in a 1-2 step to stay alive.
Cue Queen: “Another One Bites the Dust”…Thigpen to the Fins for an undisclosed pick. Yet another of “Herm’s Men”, no longer a Chief.
Thank the Father in Law for this one…this team needs as many picks as possible.
Thigpen has been traded to MIA. Tim Grunhardt turned off Sundays game before it was over. He said the OL does not know what it is doing as a unit, consistantly getting beat with their footwork and are too light for a NFL OL.
Congrats 2 u Tyler atleast u can now be coached correctly!
Congrats 2 u Tyler atleast u can now be coached correctly and given a fair shake!(open competition my a**)
Alexthe”TARD”
You’re stupid…
Thx buddy! enjoy your life….lmao
I take exception to the following sentence:
That’s no big deal because most NFL players don’t like their head coach anyway.
This is not the case. Most of Parcells’ players loved him. Belichicks’ players like him a lot. They are tough guys, but they know enough about communcation and human relations to get a team of men to enjoy working for them. Take a look at what’s happening in New York with how the players are buying into Rex Ryan’s system. Guys like Eric Mangini haven’t figured out that there is an aspect of getting the players to like and respect you that goes along with all of the tough love. I hope Haley is not a Mangini.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist (or a business school professor) to tell you that people work best when they like and respect their leader.
JacobZ,
Ask Phil Simms about his love for Bill Parcells.
Yeah – Parcells was tough on QBs.
But ask Carl Banks, Lawrence Taylor, Keyshawn Johnson, etc. etc.
JacobZ,
Ever read LT’s book? He didn’t always have a lot of respect for Parcells, but winning changes people’s attitudes over time.
Your comment struck a nerve with me because I was just recently listening to Eddie Kennison yak about how, as opposed to Haley, Parcells treated is players “like men”. BS.
I’m not saying that Haley is going about things the right way, but the way he treats his players is very Parcells-like.
Speaking of how coaches treat their players, Mike Tomlin is being mean to his players!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/29/sweed-mendenhall-on-notice-in-pittsburgh/
Bad Mike Tomlin!
I enjoy listening Kennison but his treating players like men is self serving, It cost Herm his job. Pro football players have been babied since grade school, I doubt they even have a realistic view of the world. As far as Haley goes, he is making tons of rookie HC mistakes. Mainly making the 09 season as a 16 game tryout period. I am not going to support a HC or organization who generates millions of bucks and then gives up the season. I guess you guys can go to the NY game and see a real team, Eli and crew. Not me.
ILChiefsFan says:
“Speaking of how coaches treat their players, Mike Tomlin is being mean to his players!”
You can bet he wasn’t expecting to be 1-2 right now.
“You can bet he wasn’t expecting to be 1-2 right now.”
The chickens are coming home to roost. They haven’t been keeping their O-line tuned up. I hear that can be a problem.
ILChiefsFan says:
“They haven’t been keeping their O-line tuned up. I hear that can be a problem.”
Seriously? You wouldn’t be able to give me an example, would you?
Everyone harping on why Pioli/Haley didn’t fixt the o-line before their arrival no way they could fix all the wholes in the team. We did need defensive line that could play in a 3-4 and seeing it take def. lineman longer to get acclimated in the NFL than it does off. lineman it made since for them to draft Jackson and Magee. If we’d took a offensive line then everyone would complain how bad the defense looks against stop the run something else we’ve been pathetic at the last 5 years. Bottom line these guys weren’t going to fill every whole in one offseason.
Well I wonder why the father-in-law picked up Thigpen?? What is it he saw that he would want Thigpen?? probably something that Pioli and Haley hasn’t seen. I mean Garcia was cut from the eagles if you wanted a back-up QB he would be better right?
Ed, they’re still not finished with fixing the run stopping either, so they should have at least grabbed some O-lineman, it’s better to be in a shoot-out when you have a gun rather having nothing at all… The Vermiel days were great games to watch, just sucked the D couldn’t stop anyone…
arrowhead1978,
Miami runs the type of Offense Thigpen could be good in. The Chiefs don’t.
I imagine what he saw was a guy with some potential, that has more starting experience than anyone on his roster.
Lastly, I think this deal was done before Garcia was released.
Just how many tackles do Jackson and Magee have between them? 3 Gee, we need ten more DL just like that and maybe then we can stop the run. What a crock. Look at other draft picks. Our 7th rounder K is the the only impact rookie. Based on that the Chiefs should field a competitive field by 2015. That assumes they try to fix the OL during the next 6 years. Pioli/Haley worked on the defense by flopped just like Carl/Herm.
ILChiefsFan says:
“Speaking of how coaches treat their players, Mike Tomlin is being mean to his players!”
Take a poll of Steelers players asking them “Do you like Mike Tomlin?”. The answer is beyond obvious – and would have been the same BEFORE he won the Super Bowl.
“Pioli/Haley flopped”
-YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
“Pioli/Haley flopped”
-YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!