Fear of Failure … Thursday Cup O’Chiefs

Haley is going to have more help in 2010. Weis seems signed, sealed and delivered already and Crennel may follow him soon. Why would established pros want to play for KC in an uncapped year? Weis and Crennel perhaps. These two men add a certain amount of intrigue to KC which will hopefully put Pioli in a better position to acquire talent. My guess is that this is going to be one busy offseason with plenty of signings, trades, and a draft that looks as deep in talent as any I can remember.

I think just the Weis signing itself is alot already. I couldnt really pick a #1 guy for the job that I really loved. Weis is at the top of the list and we got him, so they say. Haley will also be able to be a better coach next year. I like the way this is turning

Already an A-plus move this offseason!!

I admire Haley’s mindset and tenacity toward staying his course, being consistent and true to his beliefs. Admirable traits all.

That said, 2010 has to be a turnaround year, especially following 3 consecutive barren campaigns that have netted a total of 10 wins, or posting a 10-38 record during the 2007-09 seasons. Not all of that is Haley’s fault of course but the residue of losing remains and continues to fracture the fan base.

Time and patience are two ships about to sail, if they haven’t already, so the goal of at least an 8 win 2010 season could not be more needed or timely. Not to be Capt Obvious but I’m feeling the same vibe from Haley in his stated position on wanting not to fail.

Getting it right for 2010 in terms of talent both from the coaching and player standpoints. Finding the talent and getting them inside the tent. THAT will be a barometer to measure team progress this most important off-season.

I have a little more respect for Todd Haley today. His first big move of the offseason? Hiring an OC…basically admitting that he can’t do it all by himself. That shows a level of maturity that I wasn’t completely sure that he had.

This is the first move I think may have the Haley stamp on it. Now defense need adjustments also. Last year other than Cassel and maybe Chambers, most other moves seemed less than brilliant to me. We still have the basic problem of not enough talent on the roster but with this latest move there seems to be light showing.

Free agents will have to be overpaid to come here, I doubt that will happen in any volume. Therefore, the draft must hit and hit hard not like 09.

I think the hiring of Weis will help some in the pursuit of FA’s.

If Weis show ability in 2010, might draw in some free agents but this team has failed for so long only cash, and lots of it, will bring in FAs. Not sure that is Haley’s type of player. But as I appear to be wrong on Haley (just a possibility), so I may need to rethink FAs.

Haley made mistakes this year but he is man enough to admit that. I really like they way he is sticking to his guns. Reminds me of Marty. Bullheaded? Maybe. But he has a plan and has set his goals which in any job will only make you better. I think you will see a very disciplined team on the field next year and those players that don’t want to go along with the program…..bye!

Chris Mortenson is reporting, “Haley’s going to be hands off with the offense in Kansas City.”

If that turns out to be accurate…I’m even more impressed with Haley.

Weis might have done a little harm to his reputation as the Head Coach at Notre Dame…but, his record as an NFL OC is still pretty impressive.

That’s what makes me think this move might make bringing some good FA’s a littler easier on the Offensive side of the ball. I’m hoping the hiring of Crennel, which I expect to happen, will do the same on the Defensive side.

Does anyone think that maybe it wasn’t Haley’s decision to Hire Weiss as the OC? I dont think that Haley has that much control as Pioli is probably the man pulling the strings on this decision, I mean they are New Englanders!

arrowhead1978,

According to the article I read (linked below)…it was Haley, not Pioli, that pushed for the hiring of Weis.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/1/7/1238208/chiefs-coach-haley-pushed-the-weis

“Already an A-plus move this offseason!!”

I wonder if Weis and Crennel might have to get Haley to waive the NO BBQ during offseason OTA’s rule in order for them to be willing to sign.

I believe this was Haley’s hire, not Pioli’s. Haley has said from the beginning he wanted an OC. He’s been amazingly consistent.

I believe FAs won’t have that much hesitation coming here because there are legitimate coaches who’ve had success at the highest levels. They need some time & players. FAs realize we played hard. They see we have some key pieces in place. They see we have a good kicking game. If I were a FA WR or LB, I’d be licking my chops to be in this offense or defense knowing a few key guys could get us there in a hurry.

Does anyone have any idea what the chances of getting Romeo Crennel as well? I can’t stand Pendergast and his lame defenses.

And is there any truth to the rumor of getting Steve DeBerg as QB coach?

Just curious…..

A driven Coach.
A fear of Failing.
Squeeze all the talent out of each player.
Build on the set foundation.
Learn from your mistakes, don’t repeat them.
Sugar coat nothing.
My way or the Highway.
Respect, Pride, Dignity. Failure not an option.
Stubborn, Hard Headed.
Get the best personnel to help you succeed.
Looks like the Chiefs future is in good hands. I’m buying in… Are You?…
Go Chiefs.

Dan,

Adam Shefter said yesterday:

“It’s likely to be a New England reunion: Now that Charlie Weis has agreed to work in Kansas City, Romeo Crennel will not be far behind.”

But, Haley said he hasn’t talked to him about it. So, take your pick. Personally, I think it will happen.

That’s the first I’ve heard the DeBerg rumor… although I’ve heard it suggested before (by fans).

Haley may have wanted Weis all along but it was Pioli that made it happen. I doubt Haley will be hands off, that is not his nature and if he sticks to his guns as Bob reports then that ain’t happening folks.

I think this is a good hire, possibly the best guy to work with Haley. I too would like to see a change at DC. Crennel would be nice but I think there are other candidates that would be better than what we have now.

The fear of failure is a strong motivator. It prevents a lot of guys from ever stepping out there in the first place. The Chiefs HC has the guts to stick it out there and stick to his believes which is actually pretty rare. You have to respect him for that. He may fail and fail miserably but he deserves our respect for now.

Make no mistake, Haley needs help!

Offensive Ranking
2009-2010 25th
2008-2009 24th

Maybe Gailey is the better OC, or maybe Thiggy is the better QB, who knows?

Defensive Ranking
2009-2010 30th
2008-2009 31st

I don’t think Pendergast is a better DC than Gunther, but who knows?

From the Pages of History –
I think the Jan. 7 Chiefs v. Colts game was actually 1996. (Black Sunday)

I am not a fan of clancy, and he wasnt great at arizona but they did to a pretty DECENT job.

Being his first year here with the players, should we judge him so quickly? Should we give him this year to get some players in that he thinks will work best with his defensive scheme???????

not saying thats what i want, just a thought….

“Being his first year here with the players, should we judge him so quickly?”

Which of these categories does he fit into? Might Be, Has Been, Never Was, Never Should Have Been…

We saw a defense that made the Super Bowl due to a miraculous turnaround in the post-season, and then turned around and FIRED THE GUY. Ordinarily, coming off a Super Bowl season, you give a guy a mulligan. Do we know for sure that he even had full authority during the playoffs last season?

Two words when considering this and the effect on the tenure of the man in charge: GREG ROBINSON

Arizona’s defense is about the same this year as when Pendergast was running it. So was it Pendergast’s coaching or the players or the Arizona system. Either way the Chief’s version of Pendergast system was not comparable, players not withstanding. What about player developement? Hali and Dorsey seemed better than the previous year but what about the draft picks? If you give up about 400 yards per game then you better be developing talent for the next year. Did not see either.

2010….. I just hope that we draft better this year. Regardless of who is coaching, 09 draft hasn’t shown much ……so far. I would like to belive as others but this year I lost the faith.Nothing Poili did has pan out so far . The term ( 2nd time around is the charm ) I hope so.

Pendergast was hired by Dennis Green at Arizona. After Green was fired, Whisenhunt kept him on. But, he wasn’t originally one of “his” guys. So maybe Clancy’s firing wasn’t necessarily all job performance based. Just a thought.

Also, as gorillafan pointed out, if you look at Arizona’s Defensive statistics in his 5 seasons there…they’re not as bad as you might think. They’re actually pretty decent.

The misses last year in the draft and free agency stand out. But, like hiring of Weis, the Chiefs may have learned from their past mistakes, hope so. That is why Weis means so much to me. While not a garanteed hit, at least they appear to be trying to improve. Now we can hope for changes on the defense and then free agency (still a problem with CBA pending) and finally the draft. No matter what there is a future.

If they do not get Crennel then I would try for Dick Jauron . But good choice for OC Weis will help along with a quarterback coach to help Cassel. Not bad so far for Team Process.

?????? for some reason I just comes to mind that we could have a worse DC…esp just after a year.

just like TR&G said above, “gunther is a better DC”, if thats true, he didnt do much in detroit this year, so do you fire him? do we fire Haley for having only won 4 games his first year?

And I thought Indy would go down with the retirement of dungy, but they didnt miss a lick..sometime talent makes coaches look good, and sometimes visa-versa, I understand that

point is, there are so many factors that can make a 1st year coach fail, I would like crennel here, trust me, but if clancy is here for another year, I dont think I will be upset.

Now, if our D ranks 30th again……he is definately out the door.

gorillafan says:
“I would like crennel here, trust me, but if clancy is here for another year, I dont think I will be upset.”

I feel much the same. I just want the best guy in the job. If Haley thinks it’s Clancy, then I’m not going to be pissed. If he brings in Crennel (which I still think he will) or someone else, that’s fine too.

The number one thing I wanted was an OC. That will take the heat off Haley…and let him concentrate on being Head Coach.

As far as on the Defensive side, Krumrie was the main one I wanted to see go. Our D-line hasn’t been getting it done for several years now. And with high draft picks right there trying to address that very problem. Because let’s face it, if our Defense could stop teams from running all over us…we probably wouldn’t be that bad. A little heat on the QB once in awhile would be nice too, of course.

“And I thought Indy would go down with the retirement of dungy, but they didnt miss a lick..sometime talent makes coaches look good, and sometimes visa-versa, I understand that”

Of course Peyton wasn’t too upset when they succeeded in getting both of their long-time offensive assistants to return for another season at the last minute after going into mini-retirements.

“Now, if our D ranks 30th again……he is definately out the door.”

What if we do a massive investment in the defense again in the offseason (2 or more of the top 3 picks in the draft – we go defense, several “good” FA pickups), and we land ourselves at #22 defense (while offense only improves moderately to say #18?

SG?

I dont know. 8 spots better is 8 spots better. If we did invest in the d again, than we have even more young players just hot off the draft. So just being their 1st year and clancys 2nd, and we improved to 22, I dont think thats too bad. The following year, our rookies will have 3 and 2 years experience, and we will prob jump another 8 spots.

However, you cant drag this process out for years and years.

to sum it up, I have mixed feeling about wether clancy should be canned right now. but like I said, if we can get crennel, than do it, but there isnt a bag of good DC out there right now.

Perspective on DC:

The Packers hired Dom Capers as new DC last year and converted to a 3-4 defense also. Lots of whining here in Packerland, but they ended up as a top 5 defense this year and in the playoffs. Also, their top draft pick (NT B.J. Raji) ended up injured most of the year, while another (LB Clay Matthews) was a runner-up for Def. Rookie of Year. It was veterans like our old nemesis Charles Woodson who flourished greatly in the Packer 3-4 defense.

Does Crennel run a 3-4 system? Will he improve the current defense that we converted/committed to?

BigJimInWisconsin,

thats the question, yes he does run the 3-4 i believe, but theres no sure thing right now that tells me he would be better

Why the love affair with the 3-4? We do not have a NT and LBs are slow or second stringers. How about run the 4-3 until we get more athletes on defense?

Actually, Arizona’s defense was better this year than last year. They played more of an attacking style defense than was played under Clancy. But then again, when you have players like Dansby, Wilson, and Rodgers-Cromartie that will make a defense look good. I hope Crennell gets the DC coordinator job and that other changes are made with some of the other defensive staff.

Weis’ hring was a major step in the right direction as I think Haley didn’t want to be everything on offense but it ended up that way. Depending on how the CBA plays out (hopefully it can be ratified before the draft) and with a good draft the Chiefs can be in the playoff hunt in 2010.

Not a knock against this website, but I sure hope the fans take the time to watch this guys comments on video, it’s one thing to read, it’s another to see how he says what he says. Refreshing to this Chiefs diehard, and I’m wishing him the best of luck in season two!

Thanks Bob for all you do for us! We have enjoyed your reports.

Weis is a GREAT hire. Now we need to get Crennel.
If Haley/Pioli do that I’ll consider keeping all 8 of my season tickets instead of dropping to 4 like I was going to do.

Arizona Cardinals look pretty good on offense without Haley. It wasn’t Haley that made them great, it is a lot of great players that make them great.