Time’s up!

He waited then waited some more, but no one came
- all the fops hath Rin disposed of afore – ‘our’ ‘stead of ‘are’

“Rin”

- yes, what is it now?

“since you have claimed to have served in the military – you (should) understand leadership.”

- since you have claimed to have seen a football game – you (should) understand protocol…to put it another ‘we are naught are brother’s keeper.’

“Effective leaders take responsibility for the men they lead and the actions they take under their watch – a concept you (should) no doubt understand.”

- NFL teams are comprised of 53 players & several coaches all of them w/their own responsibilities- a concept you (should) no doubt understand.

“Herm’s own words speak volumes about what kind of leader he was/is.”

- “who hath not served cannot command” – quote from John Florio, ‘First Fruits’; Herm Edwards has…’check’ has not.

The formers actions speak loudest nee louder than words – the latter’s lack the one predisposes nee relegates the second to but hot air i.e., ‘a tale told by an idiot full of sound & fury, signifying nothing.’ – Shakespeare

“Men change over time – so hopefully this man will grow to become an effective leader in the future and give us reason to wonder what could have been.”

- “A ship, to run a straight course, can have but one pilot & one steering wheel. The same applies to the successful operation of a business (team.) There can’t be a steering wheel at every seat (at Arrowhead or the keyboard) in (or outside of) an organization.” – Jules Ormont

“For now, there’s more to be thankful for in the course of events after the turnover at the head coach position.”

- “do not say to another ‘take out the speck that is in your eye’, when you yourself do not see the log (more so the forest) that is in your own eye’.

Rin, since you have claimed to have served in the military – you (should) understand leadership. Effective leaders take responsibility for the men they lead and the actions they take under their watch – a concept you (should) no doubt understand. Herm’s own words speak volumes about what kind of leader he was/is. Men change over time – so hopefully this man will grow to become an effective leader in the future and give us reason to wonder what could have been. For now, there’s more to be thankful for in the course of events after the turnover at the head coach position.

Blazer, you had me at – or rather up ‘until’ you said – “Herm is ultimately responsible” – as the fall guy to be sure, as anything more – no – for if that be the measure then Jr, is responsible – ultimately – for all the success as failure that has gone on KC since his watch started… as his father afore him same.

Lamar booted Stram too soon, the final analysis: these last some four decades the also ran reward – a veritable role call of failures, fall guys & fandom finagled yet once more. Earlier Lamar was too loyal to Hank according to some – later same to Steadman – it was contagious – so too Hank to his players, loyalty to a fault.

Yet loyalty rules- Stram remains the ONLY Head Coach to have ever taken KC anywhere…that he was on the verge being terminated according to some early as his 1st season KC ’63 whence the team stumbled (but he wasn’t), is a nod toward patience LH; it resulted in a couple Superbowl appearances as well as a Championship over the following 6 years.
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Why was Hank fired? The only reason really had to do with lo$$e$, more so than losses – & yes there is/was a distinction – Stram had in his last year suffered his ‘ONLY’ losing season KC the previous 11.

From its ’72 opening to Stram’s final season in ’74 Arrowhead home attendance dropped almost 50% pre-season & more than 13,500 per game regular – while not as precipitous KC attendance fell off 3 straight seasons ’06-’08…that including the successful playoff season – that’s why Herm was let go – just like Hank Stram’s final 3 seasons saw a decline in attendance both regular season as well pre-season, this despite his successes.
Schottenheimer saw attendance decline his final three seasons. With few exceptions, THAT is how thing$ are done in KC, and always have been.

As the old adage says money talk$ and… well, seems to me I’ve heard this song before, it’s from an old familiar score; the apple doe$n’t fall far from the tree.
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On the flip side, the knee-jerk reaction & it’s part and parcel failure to demonstrate ‘re$olve’ results in a treading of the football waters ad nauseam, ad infinitum.

Since Hank, it’s been a revolving door of coach speak & faces- from “The Gleam” to “The Corners” to “any 22 will do” skidoo.

Jr. excises Herm and Carl for ‘check’ & ‘search’ – the same rosey promise portended permeates the air of each as everyone afore them: Wiggin, Levy & Mackovic, Gansz, Schottenheimer and Cunningham, Vermeil, Edwards…and now ‘check’.

Schottenheimer got 10 seasons and it resulted in diddly squat… that he also took his act on the road to SD, WAS and CLEV afore w/similar results well…if also-ran status ending crushing defeat post season makes you feel better… Marty’s the guy (so too a Bill Cowher) – the jingle$-jangle$ Arrowhead Stadium turnstiles made it acceptable.

Bill only ‘got’ & ‘needed’ every bit of a decade and a half to win a Superbowl; Marty had some 21 seasons/parts thereof to not win one or even get there. That’s success? Ye$, it wa$.

Yet Schottenheimer as Cowher, Stram etc. got that needed time. Tom Landry had NO winning seasons in DALL until his 7th… Chuck Noll had NONE in PITT until his 4th… Jimmy Johnson in DALL NONE until his 3rd. Tis always a judgment call & true enough the Owner can do as they please – we KC have seen the variations this act since Nixon/Ford was Prez.
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Superbowls?

Marv Levy at least made it four times – but lost them all – ditto for Bud Grant. A Don McCafferty made it only once- and won – Weeb Ewbank too. So who was the more successful those 4? The latters. George Allen = hype…Don Coryell = hype…a Tom Coughlin ‘was’ hype until 2008…etc. etc.

Does a one-time Buster Douglas victory over Tyson somehow equate less than an always in the running but never a champion Mike Gibbons, or Zora Folley or Packey McFarland? Some call the ’88 LA Dodgers win over the OAK A’s a fluke – like a broken bat single that looks like a line drive the newspaper day aft, it all counts just the same – just like Herm Edwards being the only Head Coach franchise history to take KC to the post season. There are and can be no “ifs, and or buts” about said.

If you go to a gunfight with a knife, you are as the 2008 KC Chiefs as to experience/talent & yes speed (Bob G)…you are up a certain creek – with the owners blessing until the current it gets too strong and the tide changes as twere.
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Promise, potential and fancy quips such as “any 22″ equal zero when the final arbiter rings in; that some folks are blessed via more time while continuing to fail, & others are axed sooner is not as much a reflection on them as a judgement those who hire/keep them. Sometimes it may work, but as history and Rin have shown more often it works when it does because more time’s allotted, not less.

Impatience is not a virtue…as long suffering KC fans know so well – we get what we deserve.

Perpetuating it does not make things better…in this it may be said that Herm Edwards had to pay for the decade of sins a Marty Schottenheimer as well the half a decade failed squat Dick Vermeil – timing in life is everything.

Fact remains, if you ain’t winning the Superbowl you ain’t winning at all.
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383 as you referenced him a Carl Peterson sat one rung higher the ladder than Herm… so, Carl must bear the brunt more so – Jr. however is where the buck must always $top.

I’m reminded of Elvis Grbac his – “I can’t throw the football & catch it too” comment a few years previous. While some folks didn’t the remark and it was telling, twas also true – leadership only applies if people provide support…players, the owner, etc. Even worse those who say they do or will, and then bail out when the pre$$ure is on.

Sure Jr. sure, Rin believes…as much in you and ‘search’ & ‘check’ as you did Herm Edwards; only seems fair…

In 09, I do not expect much in the way of victories. The herm draftees do not seem to fit and that will spell a lot of lost ground. Either way, herm and his supporters will not stand up, already figured that out.

I agree that Herm took a step in the right direction with the rookie project last year; the problem is that it should have happened sooner. I understand that little of the blame can be attributed to him on that point; he had other factors working against him, namely Carl Peterson. I also believe that he was probably hamstrung in regards to coaching staff selection, and I believe that figures in heavily as to the poor performance last year, especially in the realm of defensive strategy and conditioning.

In the end though, Herm is ultimately responsible, and the fact is that he didn’t get the job done with the time that he had. Yes, we made it to the playoffs in the first year, but it was obvious that we weren’t a legitimate playoff team. I personally would have rather missed the playoffs than to be embarrassed in the manner that they were against Indy.

In eight seasons of coaching, Herm has a win percentage of .422 in regular season, playoff record of .333, no conference championships or Superbowls, no season with more than 10 wins, and finished second or above in his respective divisions only three times. Herm Edwards may very well go on to be a successful head coach, but thus far he hasn’t shown it. While he’s certainly not the worst coach around, he is definitely not “The Man”.

heh heh heh

Speaking of NE, Game 1 2008 Chiefs -

Who was that streaked down the field some 68 yards – EXPLOSION – only to get caught from behind the 5 yard line or so?

Herm’s fault…huh.

Who was that nee those 11 guys couldn’t get the ball into the endzone thence?

Herm’s fault…huh.

Had KC’s rookies won that game – and any KC fan who watched that game & didn’t feel like we were going to win it with a 1st down/goal to go would be lying – how different the ’08 season?

All those close losses…result of inexperience turned unto W’s had said experience or ‘players’ making big plays done so – ‘big plays’ as Bob G referenced; let’s blame it on Herm anyway- it’s easier on our conscience that way…

As Rin has said before speaking as a fan whether it ended in 2008 with 0 wins or 16 or any number between – Herm Edwards did it the right way, and had the backing of his owner, Jr. – at the start and least in print for public consumption – the very end.

Herm” ‘I expect to be back.”

Jr. “I hope Herm comes back.”

Herm didn’t return…gee, I wonder if HE decided to go on his own or was it… right… ‘check.’

This ‘new guy’ as Herm referred him has owner’s backing too…for how long? Stay tuned, for the one thing ‘check’ has stated more than once is: (paraphrasing) “I want to win as many games as possible in 2009.”

I wonder as I wander “why?” (cue guillotine)

THAT speaks volumes as to the what$, why$ and wherefore$ 2009 of what is expected…

One last kick in the pants for you…

Like the team leads 3rd quarter, 5th inning or 2nd period etc. only to lose, or the guy leads league some point in x,y,z stat, or in regular season success), shy said being final flourish well, also rans – each and every – “The Gleam” being no better than “The Corners” guy.

Edwards = Schottenheimer…only with less regret

“I don’t feel that they earned their way in that year”

- we’d better contact the NFL & Elias etc. etc. to let them know…can’t have the record books contain football facts that don’t please you…

heh heh heh

Read em & weep: Herm Edwards – ‘the’ ONLY Head Coach in franchise history to take his team to the post season in his very first season.

Herm did it, Rin said it, Bob G has said it, the record book affirms, that Herm Edwards interview story link mentions it… why, I believe we’ve a consensus here fellow countrymen!

“you know what Rin”

- yes, He that is I Rin know all – and thank you for evidencing said to our Herm-story denouement & to your everlasting chagrin…

“If”

- battle cry alex k, and also “only” – as in “if only”, “yeah but”, “maybe” – and their 3 friends “woulda, coulda & shoulda”

And still undefeated blogdom Champion: game, set, match – Rin Tin Tin!

Rin uber alles!

heh heh heh

Have that apology on Rin’s doghouse desk by 4:30 p.m. CST (KC) today…

heh heh heh

Listen to your big brother SG – he’s stupid too, just not as succinctly as you…

“After much ‘searching,” I determined that a 30% post-season win W/L pctg. is higher than a big ZERO last time I “˜checked.

- (cue Ronald ‘Ray’gun) “well there you go again.”

Keep ‘search’ing – and take ‘check’ along with you…right on out the doors KC.

“No doubt this is a fake-Rin that posted this…real Rin isn’t that dumb.”

- alas, the ‘real’ SG be such… huh

heh heh heh

Forgets (knack his the usual) to include totality as Rin referenced – “who among others has a worse overall record in post season than Herm Edwards?”

- OVERALL SG…that means ‘all’…remember? You ‘member (double entendre). Unless…could it be – you’re illiterate? Or worse less than honorable?

Herm’s playoff record as compared to “The Gleam’s”, as such – ENJOY!

Herm – 2-4 = 33%
The Gleam – 5-13 = 28%

You were saying, Mr. President?

heh heh heh

Herm was not without merit, but I just don’t see that he was a good head coach. You can spin it any way you like, but the numbers in the W/L column don’t lie.

It was me you should be shooting at – rebuke accepted man.

Seriously, dont go after recently passed human beings, the man deserves far more than that.

dont drag him into the sand like it was his fault, he stepped in when the team ASKED him to. Admirable for a guy who made his career in special teams and told me in 94 that he never wanted to be the head coach.

If he did, Vermeil wouldve passed over martz and given it to gansz in 2000, notice gansz left…

Hint: His first name starts with an “˜M’ and his last name finsihes with “˜Schottenheimer’ – his baloney has a first name, it’s Marty – baloney has a last name…”

After much ‘searching,” I determined that a 30% post-season win W/L pctg. is higher than a big ZERO last time I ‘checked.’ No doubt this is a fake-Rin that posted this…real Rin isn’t that dumb.

Yes – you did spell the handle right.

“˜Nuke’?

That is the word I used – rather accurately.

“That was a “˜dummy’ round yours, veritable “˜dud’ (you understand.)”

No live rounds to send your way – injuries don’t improve the win-loss record.

“For…tap dancing, sleight of hand & obfuscation left by the wayside, STILL it holds true:”

No need to try to be Houdini or Sammy. I stick to things of CHIEF concern only.

“Herm Edwards – “˜the’ ONLY Head Coach in franchise history to lead the team to the playoffs- in year one!”

Insert music “Only You” from the Oldies collection…Herm…Also the ‘only’ Chiefs head coach to have more than 12 losses in a single season, take a playoff team in his first season to the worst single season in team history within his entire tenure, have a single season winning percentage less than 0.14, and a whole host of other things that the fan base never occurred.

“Just no gettin’ around it…huh…keep trying!”

The only reason Herm is not the absolute worst coach in Chiefs history is that he did have competition…a very sad thing indeed.

“heh heh heh”

Hint: His first name starts with an ‘M’ and his last name finsihes with ‘Schottenheimer’ – his baloney has a first name, it’s Marty – baloney has a last name…

And the Rin hits just keep on comin!

heh heh heh

1)’check’ haley
2) Paul Wiggin
3) ‘check’ haley
4) his other brother…

And Herm also led the NY Jets to the playoffs in 3 of his 5 seasons there…so yup, whether in KC or NY -

Herm was, is and STILL will e’er be The Man!

Now to your poll:

1) Hank Stram
2) Herm Edwards
3) Marv Levy

Worst 3:
3rd Worst: Paul Wiggin: Two 5-win seasons.
2nd Worst/1st Worst: Frank Gansz/Herm Edwards: At least the head honchos had enough sense to replace Gansz after 2 years.

Coach Career W/L Pctg. Playoff W/L Pctg
Stram 124-76-10 0.614 5-3-0 0.625
Wiggin 10-18-0 0.357 0-0-0
Levy 31-42-0 0.425 0-0-0
Mackovic 30-34-0 0.469 0-1-0 0.000
Gansz 8-22-1 0.274 0-0-0
Marty Schot. 101-58-1 0.634 3-7-0 0.300
Cunningham 16-16-0 0.500 0-0-0
Vermeil 44-36-0 0.550 0-1-0 0.000
Edwards 15-33-0 0.313 0-1-0 0.000

Well Herm did lose a playoff game – not the only coach to do that. However, his career W/L pctg. was only higher than Coach Gansz. I can’t say he was the only one to take a 10-win team the year before and end up with a stinker within 2 years. Coach Gansz did the same. The numbers speak for themselves: 2006-2008 will be remembered as the Titanic Years.

For everyone here – let’s take a poll: name the top 3 Chiefs coaches ever (in order #1, #2, #3) and name the worst 3 Chiefs coaches ever (in order as well).

SG

Maybe that would shut him up, but I doubt it.

I AM an optomist…so I DO see 10 wins. I did a game-by-game breakdown awhile back…is how I arrived at the 10 wins. Too much work to do again right now. And you’re right, it’s still way too early, really. It was based on winable games…versus games we really don’t have a good chance of winning (at the Ravens opening day, anyone?). But, I don’t see our team running out of steam in the second half of games this year. Or worse…quitting. That should be good for a couple of wins right there.

Unfortunately, that “element of surprise” we spoke of will only be good for a game or two early in the season.

I see the 2009 Chiefs as a team that is going to play their asses off every down of the game. Haley is going to DEMAND it. Losing will no longer be acceptable, as it has been. We will no longer be considered a joke. This year we WILL gain our respectability back. And I can’t wait.

‘Nuke’? That was a ‘dummy’ round yours, veritable ‘dud’ (you understand.)

For…tap dancing, sleight of hand & obfuscation left by the wayside, STILL it holds true:

Herm Edwards – ‘the’ ONLY Head Coach in franchise history to lead the team to the playoffs- in year one!

Just no gettin’ around it…huh…keep trying!

heh heh heh

“The only way this trend changes for the Chiefs is more talent and speed.”

- well, at least ‘check’s pretty quick to deliver “any” quip… Talent? Right…’check’; sez we got that covered “22″ ways to Sunday.

Engram, Vrabel- sorry…pending, CJ Jones- whoops he’s gone, Thomas, Goff, Waters – LOL, Robertson- ‘check’ that, no; Copper, kettle, teapot, saucer, Chaucer, flotsam, jetsam & gee ‘search’ me – WHAT ‘talent! (also a rhetorical question?)

Me thinks ‘check’ is cut from the same cloth as Leo The Lip Durocher; that Leo was more bluster than bite and it took him 15 years afore he won the Championship, well…

Leo once said about MLB Commissioner Bowie Kuhn – “You could put a stick in that guys chair and do just as good.” KC circa ’09 well understands that Leo – anyone ‘check’ed THAT chair One Arrowhead? Via appointment…of course.

“He had the ability of taking a bad situation and making it immediately worse.” – Branch Rickey

Right…’check’…

Regarding a 6 win season being reasonable? Hey, on paper, sure that’s reasonable. An optimist may say “I see 10 wins,” and a pessimist may say “no matter what, the Chiefs are going to be last in the division anyway so what does it matter?”

Me? I’m a dreamer but I definitely ground myself in the moment. Statistically, if the Chiefs win 6 games this season we have improved.

As much as I am chomping at the bit to make my predictions for the Chiefs this season, I have to remind myself that it’s the offseason. Training Camp hasn’t even begun, preseason hasn’t started. Remember Tom Brady and the Patriots? Nobody saw his injury coming. Remember the Dolphins? Completely unexpected.

With all that said…CHIEFS WIN THE SUPERBOWL! HA!

Sorry, that’s the fan in me. I believe they are better than what people are saying, especially since everybody is knocking the Chiefs. But you know what, that only gives us an advantage. The element of surprise.

We can only go up from here! Go CHIEFS!

1960: Hank Stram 8-6 (no playoffs – 2nd place)
Season Before: 0-0 (new team in 1960)
1975: Paul Wiggin 5-9 (no playoffs – 3rd)
Season Before: 5-9
1978: Marv Levy 4-12 (no playoffs – 5th)
Season Before: 2-12
1983: John Mackovic 6-10 (no playoffs – 5th)
Season Before: 3-6
1989: Schottenheimer 8-7-1 (no playoffs – 2nd)
Season Before: 4-11-1
1987: Frank Gansz: 4-11 (no playoffs – 5th)
Season Before: 10-6
1999: Gunther Cunningham 9-7 (no playoffs – 2nd)
Season Before: 7-9
2001: Dick Vermeil 6-10 (no playoffs 4th)
Season Before: 7-9
2006: Herm 9-7 (playoffs)
Season Before: 10-6

So let’s see Rin…Herm actually got 1 more loss than the prior season – right there with Vermeil. Gansz did 5 games worse in year 1. Gun did 2 wins more than the prior season. Marty did a full 4 games better than his predecessor. So it doesn’t appear the product from Herm in Yr. 1 was anywhere near the best…but at the end of 2008, the stats prove – his product certainly was the worst in TEAM HISTORY!

I know…I know. Sorry guys. I’ll try.

I think a 6 win season is a “reasonable expectation”. Especially given the strength of our schedule. We have some tough games! Winning as many games this year as we have the last two combined would really HAVE to be considered progress. I don’t know if Haley and Pioli would be happy with that, though.

My personal expectations are higher than that. I still stand by my prediction that we’ll surprise some teams…and get better as the year goes on. I think we’ll be 10-6, give or take a game…and possibly challenge for the division. Depends on how the Chargers play. On paper, they’re a really good team. Paper doesn’t mean jack, though. And I hate to say it…the Raiders. Like it or not, they do have a talented team. I think when Garcia takes over at QB, they’ll be a much improved team. And I see Denver in last place this year.

That’s the bottom line. And forgive me if this has already been mentioned – but that 2-14 looks even worse when one evaluates the record of the overall division last year (23-41 from the 4 teams). Two 8-8 teams led the way – and we got 2 wins the whole season!

Relief is spelled “F-I-R-E-H-E-R-M!”

heh heh heh

Herm is STILL The Man!

Does this sound like a reasonable expectation for Year 1: 6 wins? I’d be curious to get some over/under guesswork on this.

“Blah, blah, blah, blah, Herm’s the Man, blah, blah, blah, blah, Seach, blah, blah, blah, Check, blah, blah, blah, blah, Any 22, blah, blah, blah, he he he, blah, blah, blah, smiley face.”

The horse is dead…you can stop beating it now.

Oh yeah, I remember now…that’s all you’ve got.

1960: Hank Stram 8-6 (no playoffs – 2nd place)
1975: Paul Wiggin 5-9 (no playoffs – 3rd)
1978: Marv Levy 4-12 (no playoffs – 5th)
1983: John Mackovic 6-10 (no playoffs – 5th)
1989: Schottenheimer 8-7-1 (no playoffs – 2nd)
1987: Frank Gansz: 4-11 (no playoffs – 5th)
1999: Gunther Cunningham 9-7 (no playoffs – 2nd)
2001: Dick Vermeil 6-10 (no playoffs 4th)

2006: Herm Edwards 9-7 (PLAYOFFS! – 2nd)

And the best nee most successful of them all and STILL The All Time KC Man – Herman Edwards Jr.!

Herm Edwards – ‘the’ ONLY Head Coach in franchise history to lead the team into the playoffs / post season in his first year.

More wins than HOF Coach Stram*, HOF Coach Levy, 2-time Superbowler Vermeil, more than “There’s A Gleam Men”, and more too than Wiggin and Gansz.

*Hank 14 games in 1960.

Gunther’s 9 was good enough to get him into the playoffs his first year save for (and where have we seen this afore) a rookie messing up, kicking a ball out of bounds and costing his Coach (Herm had 20x that problem via fuzzied-cheeks in 2008.)

Rin wonders as he wanders…et tu ‘check’ in 2009?

Playoffs/Post season? Herm did it year 1 – though his predecessor Weepy Dick didn’t the year before him…nor in 4 out of his 5 KC years – nor did Al Groh in NY year before Herm did the same there – made the playoffs in year one.

Herm has left “any 22 will do” ‘check’ much more than just “anybody’s” circa 2009 – can we expect playoffs/post season from you, ‘check’?

No, we shall not because: a) ‘check’ talks alot without saying diddly nee mistakes exhalation of air his for outpouring manna, and b) the Chiefs are still trying to recover from the fallout nee vestiges Dick Vermeil’s ‘over the hill gang’.

Herm started the rebuild in 2008 & got that group of rookies feet wet & left the ‘next guy’ as Herm referred to him in better shape than Herm was.

At best, Rin sees 4 wins ‘if’ a ‘check’ does not mismanage Herm’s men too badly – alas, I’m more certain he will than he won’t. So then – 0 wins worst, 4 wins tops.

Six of one half a dozen of the other: 2-14 with no playoffs. If the Chiefs don’t beat OAK in KC game 2 they’ll not win a game until December…

Free…Free at Last…

I don’t doubt Herms love for his team/players. I don’t doubt Herms eye in recognizing talent. I admire Herms living in the moment and adjusting, with honor, to any situation.

However, Herms fault, is his lack of vision, his lack of belief in a team that was more than game to fight w him.

“I was coaching a College team.” Really? That’s not the kind of leadership this team needed. Herm was conservative in his attack because he was afraid, he didn’t trust his players, he knew that they would lose more than win, so he played to not lose badly. Well, in that case, he was successful, but the losses piled up and now he has found himself out of a job.

So now we have Haley who isn’t going to tell you that this is a college team, but rather he is going to tell you how it is. He is going to tell the players what to think, how they are going to approach the game and what they must focus on. That’s called being a leader. Leading a team that doesn’t know what to think.

I don’t take anything regarding Rin personally nor do I think anything he says really matters. I’ve worked with M.R. children and I somewhat know Rin’s problem from the way he writes, manipulates and provokes. Whereas he has knowledge of football history and it’s players statistical achievements, he loves attention more. Does his knowledge make him a Chiefs fan, or just an old child getting his kicks from getting under your skin?

I think a chiefs fan hopes and believes in what the team can be and looks at these changes and hopes for the best.

As far as Rin goes, that’s up to you guys. Ignore him, don’t respond to him no matter what. He doesn’t exist here in this forum if we don’t let him.

Go Chiefs!

I knew it! You ARE a Broncos fan!

You and Herm are BOTH delusional. Always right…never wrong…legends in you own minds.

Beautiful Scott, you nailed it. Couldn’t have put it better myself!

Besides…I’m a Chiefs fan. And damned proud of it. What are you?

Well there’s Scott, and anonymous, and his other brother Anonymous, and findthedr…and all their many other “they’ll eat anything Mikey” friends -
all of them part n parcel the “any 22″ club…

heh heh heh

“Nope. Just you and Herm.”

- ah, ah, ah-hahahahahahahahahah!

Gotcha!!!

Nope. Just you and Herm.

Thing is, while I may not always agree with Bob…I respect his opinions. Highly.

You and Herm are just two ying-yangs trying to make people believe that a pile of dog sh*t was a bouquet of flowers.

heh heh heh

“What’s kept the Chiefs from making big plays? Three major factors: lack of talent, lack of speed and conservative coaching.”

- coaching being 3rd – and out of necessity – as concession to the first two – beautiful Bob you nailed it! The very things that Rin Tin Tin has been saying all along.

“When a team only wins six of 32 games the major problem is a lack of experienced top-level talent.”

- yes! 20 rookies last season as Herm correctly stated tends to tie the hands a coaching staff – ‘unless’ you’ve the ability to walk upon water, bend steel your bare hands and can “take any 22 players from off the street and” – it’s gettin’ pretty deep in here…right…’check’

You and Herm are BOTH delusional. Always right…never wrong…legends in you own minds. The rest of us know better, though. You two can carry on in your little fantasy land denying the truth all you want. But, facts are facts. And the facts don’t support what EITHER of you say. Period.

So good to hear from the great Herm Edwards – the best Chiefs Head Coach since Hank Stram. Herm has this ‘his’ KC Chiefs team ready to win in 2009 aft a year of training them up ’08.

Will be watching for your influence KC in 2009 Herm…every W in your column, every L same in the ‘search’ & ‘check’ “any 22″ cluster****

Yup, without question Herm is STILL The Man!

heh heh heh

Too optimistic? Hey why not, it’s still early, and the Royals are just about finished by now anyway. Let’s get ready for football!

I agree 100%, John. The NFL should pay tribute to these men. They are heroes, in every sense of the word. Delaney gave his life trying to do what no one else WOULD do…even though he couldn’t swim. How many people would have done the same? Rest In Peace, Joe.