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Dippin’ The Mailbag … Friday Cup O’Chiefs

Thanks for all the notes, e-mails, comments that come into the website. I see them all and I’m glad things have slowed down a bit that I can answer some questions and comments. I hope to do a better job of that in the coming months.

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From CHIEFSNUT43 – Bob, here are my 2 cents on the Chiefs upcoming offseason:

  • Not sure of offensive coordinator. I live in Cleveland and fans here did not like him at all but may have been other factors.
  • Re-sign Bowe and Carr–do you think this will happen?
  • Between draft and free agents we need the following: QB – What do we do? Cassel or others? I think given the divisions and the rest of the talent KC and SF would be where I would consider if I was Peyton Manning. I would be interested depending on his health and price; C, RT, RG, depth at RB and TE; D-Line upgrade and secondary depth at safety.
  • Who do you think we will target in free agency and how will that impact our draft focus?

From Bob – I’m not sure Brian Daboll had much of a chance in Cleveland for his two years there as offensive coordinator, specifically at quarterback. As for Bowe and Carr, at this point in time with the development of the team, I can’t imagine how the Chiefs do not sign both players. If they don’t, they are going to have to replace them in free agency or the NFL Draft, so it’s going to cost them money anyway. Why not spend those bucks on two players who you know, and who have performed on the field already. I doubt Manning gives the Chiefs much of a consideration for his future; too many factors don’t work. The Chiefs will need to add a couple QBs before training camp, a youngster and a veteran. My position list for the NFL Draft would be NT, RT, C/G, RB, TE, and QB.

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From Jocko – OK Gretz, straight stuff here – why did the Steelers hire Todd Haley? Isn’t this just about his Steelers roots and the ownership hiring him not (Mike) Tomlin the head coach? With his temper, how is he going to get along with Big Ben?

From Bob – Jocko, the Steelers have been run by the Rooney family for all but one season of their existence. There was a time when under the team’s founder Art Rooney Sr., they might have hired a guy like Haley because he was part of the “family.” It was when Art’s oldest son Dan took over the franchise in the late 1960s when that type of attitude changed. The Steelers are about winning, and I can guarantee you they don’t hire anybody who they don’t think can do the job just because they are related to a former personnel head that hasn’t worked for the team in 22 years. The Steelers remembered the job Haley did as offensive coordinator of the Arizona Cardinals in the Super Bowl after the 2008 season. Haley’s credentials as an offensive coach were not tainted by what went down with the Chiefs. The Rooneys fired former offensive coordinator Bruce Arians largely because he had pretty given control of the offense to Roethlisberger, leaving ownership wondering what they were paying Arians to do. The Steelers need a strong hand on the offensive steering wheel and if anybody thinks Haley won’t challenge Big Ben then they haven’t been paying attention. I think ultimately, Haley and Roethlisberger will get along just fine.

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Tim99 said – Bob, this whole thing with Peyton Manning and the Colts and now I hear that Hines Ward may get run out of Pittsburgh, this stuff bothers me. These guys have given their heart and bodies to those teams and now they are getting thrown to the curb. Shouldn’t they be shown more respect?

Bob said – Tim, it has been, is and always will be a “what have you done for us lately” business. Saying good bye to a player is hard to do. It’s not very often that a decorated hero and his team actually part ways in happiness. Joe Montana, Joe Namath, Johnny Unitas all finished their careers with teams other than the ones they were associated with. Franco Harris went to Seattle when he couldn’t work out a contract with the Steelers at the end of his career. Same for Mike Webster, who the Steelers wanted to retire, but he wasn’t interested. It’s happened with former Chiefs greats as well. Jim Tyrer finished his career with the Washington Redskins. Otis Taylor was traded to the Houston Oilers, although he didn’t play there. Bobby Bell did not like how he was forced out by the Chiefs and spent a training camp with the Raiders, but did not join them once the regular season roster was set.

That Super Bowl Chiefs squad grew old because Hank Stram couldn’t stand to part with most of his veteran players, the guys that had gone on the field and won a championship. Understandable in the big picture of things, but tough to overcome in the small picture that is pro football.

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Keith said - Great articles. In seven more years it will be 50 years since the Chiefs reached the Superbowl, pile on them all you want. This team to this point has shown no desire to commit to building a championship team. I see the Chiefs as the Bengals, no free agents want to go to the Bengals, same probably for the Chiefs. That is why they might have made a mistake with Bowe and Carr, they opened themselves to a bidding war and they could have had one of them probably pretty cheaply.  Now they have to sell the Chiefs organization to people to get them to come here.

I believe Pioli up to this point seems to weak minded and more concerned about saving his job then taking some risks to get the Chiefs over the hump.  The Chiefs might be the highest they have been in the draft for a while that is why I would trade up for a QB.  Even if they fail like the Lions did with Harrington there are enough journeymen to get you through until Stafford or someone else comes along.

I for one have not spent money on the Chiefs for years, if they are not in it to win it. Then why waste my money when I can watch in on TV as the other sheep are buying tickets believing the yearly hype. Hopefully I am proven wrong, would love nothing better to be proved wrong.

Bob said – Keith, can’t say I blame you or that you are alone in not reaching for the wallet to support the Chiefs right now. Hopefully the owner and management understand they play in the “Show-Me” state and they are going to have to put something on the field that people want to see. One of the great things that got done in the Peterson Era is that right up until the final season (2008) there was a belief at the start of the season that success was possible. Hope is a far better emotion to have than apathy and that’s what has happened.  One thing that’s common with teams like the Bengals and the Cardinals have been this way as well, and Buffalo and a few others, they keep changing coaches and they end up just running in quick sand. Stability is an ability the Chiefs have not shown in the last few years and the bulk of the blame for that falls on Clark Hunt.


9 Responses to “Dippin’ The Mailbag … Friday Cup O’Chiefs”

  • February 17, 2012  - Milkman says:

    Stability. It is preached by Clark Hunt just about every time ther’s a microphone in front of him. And yet, it seems to elude this team year after year. Don’t you think the secret to stability is putting the right people in place and gettig out of the way? As much as I admired the job Crennel has done the last couple of years, when he was introduced as our head coach I have to admit I was wondering in the back of my mind how stable the Chiefs could be hiring a man of his age for that position. No matter how good this team will be, we will probably still need to make another change in a very few years. And the jury is still out on whether Hunt hired the right man to run his team 3 years ago. Is it just me Bob, or do you think this team is as UNstable as it’s ever been?


  • February 17, 2012  - RW says:

    A note of optimism. If the Atlanta Falcons can survive the twin debacle of Bobby Petrino and Mike Vick, there’s hope for every other NFL franchise. Somehow, some way, some luck has to shine on the Chiefs franchise to turn it back into a perennial playoff team as it’s done with the Falcons since they righted their ship.

    But then, Hunt Jr. is no Arthur Blank. Therein lies the rub.


  • February 17, 2012  - Petey says:

    Bob…question that I’ve had for years and I don’t think you’ll answer it, but I’m going to ask anyway.

    During the Peterson era, and when you were writing for KCCHIEFS.com, there was a column written pretty often by someone going by the name of Rufus Dawes. No one ever stepped forward and took responsibility, but there was a lot of speculation that it was Peterson himself (there were even rumors that it was you or Bob Moore.) So who was Rufus Dawes, Bob and why did they feel they needed to write under a pen name?


  • February 17, 2012  - johnfromfairfax says:

    We stand at a crossroads in many respects. I read others talk about the hatred for the owner and GM and how unfair it is to criticize them. I don’t hate them. I’ve been on the site for a long time and my comments have shown my support of the owner and management the majority of that time. It has only been the past couple years that I have seriously questioned their motives and decisions for what I believe to be good reasons. Big C, little h has really done nothing to distinguish himself except fire people and hire Pioli. As time has gone on he has begun to look more and more like Dan Snyder in DC and look at what he has done to a once proud franchise. Pioli brought in Cassel and Vrabel to start and then fired Haley and those have been the only bold moves he has made to this point. He has a spotty draft record. He has drafted some good young players but the bulk of the team nucleus is made up of players drafted under the last GM. If he and Junior are to establish their brand of Chiefs football it will need to happen soon or they will lose credibility, their fan base and establish themselves as the new Bungles or Aints. If they do not rise to meaningful status in the league soon Pioli will not be able to fire his coach and continue insulating himself with his guys and Hunt will have no choice but to fire him and start over with the next “right” guy at GM and coach. I’m hopeful and rooting for them to take an active role to rapidly improve our team and establish the Chiefs once again as a force in the NFL instead of remaking us into a farce. We’ll see.


  • February 17, 2012  - Chuck says:

    Keith; You are a very smart man. That is something I figured out for quite a while now. In free agency it will be somebody else’s old has beens. Ala, Thomas Jones, Kelly Gregg, Chris Chambers, Vrabel, and the list goes on and on and on. In the draft the “mantra” is lets trade down and get more Picks!!!! Its “quanity” that we are after not “quality”. Are you starting to get the picture here??? Just watch and you’ll see that Iam right.


  • February 17, 2012  - el cid says:

    Am changing my opinion of Pioli. He wants to turn KC in NE West, fine if he wins. After 3 years, all I can see is he put money into the Hunt bank account and acquired a average amount of talent than ANY competant GM would have added to any NFL team.

    Bob, my question is – Is Pioli doing all he can to improve the Chiefs?, to make them into some kind of contender?

    For me, him sitting in his office, thinking, planning and thinking some more, is not doing it.


  • February 17, 2012  - Blake says:

    I just want to know if we will stick with the zone blocking scheme or switch to power blocking. I like researching draft prospects and it is kinda hard to look someone up if we don’t know what scheme we are going to run…


  • February 19, 2012  - Johnfromwichita says:

    Milkman, I fully agree with you about the lack of stability and the fact that it might even get worse. Hope not. But it has been worse. After the Superbowl win the team started to get old and nothing was done to get young. About 1973 to 1988 when Marty took over the Chiefs were different nearly every year. The only consistencey was they were bad. Four wins was a good year. By early 80′s tickets were given away in grocery stores. I really don’t think it will ever be that bad again. The NFL is a much bigger business now than it was then.


  • February 19, 2012  - COCHIEF says:

    Bob, if it were up to you, who would be the top two to three free agents you would target?




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