Decertify, Lock Out, Injunction … Open Thread

The NFL labor dispute took an expected turn on Friday as the NFL Players Association filed for decertification as a union. The owners will lock out the players on Friday evening and the players, led by big name quarterbacks Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, have already filed an anti-trust suit against the league.

A lot went down on Friday and we know there are opinions galore on the direction pro football has taken.

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26 Responses to “Decertify, Lock Out, Injunction … Open Thread”

  • March 11, 2011  - TDKC says:

    The events in Japan put all this in perspective. Get it right NFL.

  • March 11, 2011  - Hulls4Chiefs says:

    Bob, will you be trying out for a spot on the scrub team? It would be great to have our man inside actually be a man inside.

    Seriously, the fans should be the ones determining the fate of both sides going forward. Each side is fighting over money that will only be there if the public contributes to the coffers, and we should simply show them who butters their bread. It’s a silly notion, but it would be wonderful if not one dime was made next year beyond the guaranteed monies in place from long-term contracts.

  • March 11, 2011  - COCHIEF says:

    NFL owners have put up the money to finance, manage and develop the league. The owners have a right to make a fair return on the money they have invested. They have compromised to try and make a deal.

    The players want 10 years of full, audited financial information. They have an audited overview of these financials. Why do they need and deserve more? No business has to make this type of disclosure. If the IRS accepts the overview, the players should accept the end results.

    Given the latest owners proposal, the players would not make less than before. They say they are the ones who make the game and have decided to stop negotiating and go to court, choosing a specific biased judge in Minnesota.

    I say its the fans that make the NFL successful. They are the ultimate provider of money to all the parties involved. Both sides should remember this most important fact.

    Personally I am willing to stop providing the money the players are so richly paid for playing a game. Its not their right to manage the businesses that employ them. If they don’t like this, they are free to take any other job they choose. Let them get a McJob like the fans that support them.

    Enough is enough.

  • March 11, 2011  - leonard says:

    I hold the players responsible for this. they are overpaid Prima Donas, and have had no respect for the common fan, and what it costs us. Well they can go to hell as far as I am concerned. I gave up my season tickets after 20 years, and it will be a cold day in hell before I go to another NFL game. Now they will find out what baseball and hockey learned. What a bunch of nimrods. The owners are not blameless in this, but the players union has been a joke in this. Decertify, and see where that goes. Make them negotiate separate contracts with all 32 teams, and see how they fare. Biggest Dumbass move in sports history.

  • March 11, 2011  - Mark says:

    The Greedy Owners are asking the players to take approximately a 20% cut, when by all appearances the NFL is at the peak of it’s popularity and prosperity?? JUSTIFY the cut request, by showing the other side why there needs to be cuts, and there will be a deal done in a week. What are they hiding?? Absent that, I don’t blame the players one bit for their actions.

  • March 12, 2011  - Haley's Ego says:

    I have officially given up caring.

    Players, owners…you can kiss this fan’s ass. You won’t see another dime of my money. Someone else can have my season tickets (of 20+ years, btw). It’s just not worth it anymore.

    Spring is almost here. Summer is coming. I’ll miss NFL football next fall, I’m sure. But right now? I’m done giving a rat’s ass about these douchbags. All of ‘em. I quit.

  • March 12, 2011  - Anonymous says:

    If there is no season, then I will have to give up paying Bob and Scout to keep me upated on the Chiefs. There is only so long that I’ll want to read about a courtroom battle.

  • March 12, 2011  - Butler says:

    Wonder just how many FANS they are GOING to lose over this bunch of Crap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Think I will start Watching Curling !!!!!!!! If I can find it on my Dish !!!!!!!!!!!

    I am Sick of this Whole Thing !!!!!!!
    Over & Out

  • March 12, 2011  - PAChiefsFan says:

    I respect the right of the owners to fight for their position and I respect the right of the players to fight for their position. I also respect my right as a fan not to care. I have been a staunch Chiefs fan for over 40 years and at this point that is the direction I am heading. I would not care if the entire league went under at this point. Maybe I will care again once all this garbage is finished and football resumes, don’t know.

    What I do know is the disaster in Japan yesterday, as most catastrophes where peoples lives are destroyed in a moments notice do, reminds me that there are more important things in life than football.

  • March 12, 2011  - James says:

    I’m right there with you PAChiefsFan. Been right at 40 years for me of following the Chiefs. Up and down. I walked away from baseball in the eighties and never went back. I can do it again. Will save me a lot of frustration and heartbreak. Hope the owners and players wake up and realize what a good gig they’ve got.

  • March 12, 2011  - Johnfromfairfax says:

    I’m with PAChiefsFan and James. I couldn’t agree more. I’ve been a Chiefs and NFL fan my entire life. I have no interest in arguing with others over who is justified, the billionaires who risk money or the millionaires who risk their bodies. If they don’t understand their product is entertainment and that fans can find other entertainment as a replacement then let them savage each other and hopefully the rest of the fans will agree with us and let them see in real monetary terms (since that really is all they are interested in) how much we disapprove. If and and only when we do that will they find a way to resolve their differences because they sure as Hades don’t give a hoot about the rest of us. I too am weary of arguing about it with others and to what point anyway? They are obviously not listening to any of us. I used to say thanks for the distraction of football. I guess it is time to give that attention over to real world issues… Well, there’s always college and high school football and maybe another league will start up to challenge the inflexible established one ruining itself. Oh yeah, been there, done that. I guess I’ll just have to spend more time with my wife and make one of us a lot happier (just kidding dear).

  • March 12, 2011  - He who bleeds red and gold says:

    I have to agree with those above. I’m not sure I can continue to support football when both sides seem to be focused on themselves instead of the fans. The agreement should have been completed because it needed to be finished – for the fans. We make the NFL what it is, we provide the revenue stream, we live and die with our teams.

    The league and players had a great opportunity to turn their attention to the devastation in Japan. Instead, they chose to be selfish. Again, it will be the fans who pull together to help those in need, without the publicity, without the enormous payroll, because it has to be done.

    I’ve been a Chiefs fan since I was old enough to watch them on TV. I bleed red and gold through every draft, free agent pickup, camp, and every game day. Yesterday they didn’t think about all the people like me, the fans who support them. They thought of themselves and that is just not right.

  • March 12, 2011  - RW says:

    You could see this coming for quite some time now. The owners haven’t gotten over the last rushed through deal brokered by Tagliabue which split the money pie in favor of the players, justified by continued labor peace. Payback was on the owner’s minds from the jump.

    Then, we have D Smith trying to get an even better deal for the players to justify his position as head of the NFLPA. It was destined to land where it did. Already, we’re seeing lawyers from each side hosing down the other side with fiery rhetoric with claims of mistruths being uttered.

    Now it’s onto future court dockets to determine who is righteous and who is not. Regardless of that outcome, the emerging new relationship will have a different look to it with the fans, I predict, weighing in with their own negative economic impact resulting in near empty stadiums and plummeting TV ratings.

    All the above is very possible if the legal system is allowed to grind slowly forward with no resolution for many months down the road. Faced with that outcome, I think the owners will realize they have too much to lose and will offer a settlement deal which the players will accept but even this tactic has about a 50-50 chance of happening. Bottom line? Nuclear winter has arrived.

  • March 12, 2011  - el cid says:

    I will join Johnfromfairfax. My wife wanted me to explain what was happening, yeah, like there is a chance I even understand it.

    But golf is coming, a trip abroad with the little woman, and usual summer activities. To bad for Bob and sports media, I doubt I will invest much into pro sports until sometime this fall. Keep in mind there is a time when the younger generation has to step up and keep the fires lit for a given sport, so maybe my time is ending. That’s ok. You all know Mr Hunt and Poili may not be invited to my next 4th of JUL party, anyway.

  • March 12, 2011  - ChuckP says:

    Iam an employer and own my own small company. So I do tend to look at it from the owners view point. The owners are the ones taking the real risk financialy. If the stadium is half empty the player still gets his paycheck but its the owner who has all the stress and strains of running a company. I do feel that greed has truly gotten in the way here of working this thing out. I know that there are good points on both sides of the fense. There always is. I also know that a contract like this is extremely complicated. But at the end of the day its the owner who writes the paycheck, not the player. They need to remember that. No one is making them play the game. I think this has alienated many of the owners but we will see in due time. Greed is truly a bad thing. And I do think that most players have NO CLUE what it takes to run a successful company!!!!!!!

  • March 12, 2011  - Wayne says:

    As a 23 year Chiefs season ticket holder, my current interest is in what the Chiefs will do next in term of continuing to expect season ticket holders to make monthly season ticket payments. Give this management/labor impasse, will they have the unmitigated gall to continue collecting the monthly installment payments they require us to make from Jan. through June? They charge season ticket holder’s credit cards for these payments, so once we authorized them to do so, we’re between a rock and a hard place. Do the right thing Chiefs, and suspend collecting season ticket holder’s payments until theis BS has been resolved! Will they do so? I highly doubt it….

  • March 12, 2011  - Todd says:

    There’s always college football to keep me entertained, until this is over…

  • March 12, 2011  - el cid says:

    Wayne, just wondering? When it is all “fixed” and the owners and players are all lovey dovey again, will you go and purchase Chiefs gear, go to games, and cheer like crazy after paying all that money for tickets, parking, and snacks?? Just wondering?

    As for me, age is biting me in the rear so the end to season ticket holder is probably coming to an end. Gave up baseball, turned out to be easier than I thought, so maybe my time of football is coming.

  • March 12, 2011  - Sam says:

    As a fan, to show my protest to both sides, I will not be watching the NFL Draft live. I will not watch it on TV, on, on ESPN, on SI, etc. I will see the results in the newspaper. Maybe a significant decrease in fan participation in this signatory event will send a message to both sides.

  • March 12, 2011  - Nate says:

    I understand and agree with the comments that have been made. I don’t care about either side because they certainly don’t care about you or me.

    Here are my thoughts. It is obvious now that the owners made a number of consessions in their proposals during the week. The players made none that would give any financial relief to the owners. The only one a rookie wage scale with the saved monies goiing toward paying veterans. The strike/lockout rests squarely on the players backs. The got plenty of financial information from the owners and simply ignored it and demanded more. I live in Colorado and hate the donkeys but love the Rockies and have an exciting young baseball team to watch until October so I will sign off until……

  • March 12, 2011  - doug says:

    ChuckP, I get your point, but the sad fact is that the return that both the owners and player have realized over the past 5 – 6 years is off the charts, and considerably more than the majority of businesses, particularly in this recession. The owners didn’t even start to negotiate until Doty took aware their insurance fund, and I seriously doubt they got anywhere close to the middle. The players aren’t there either because they think litigation will work better for them. If Doty has a brain in his head, he will force the players back to the table and recognize that the decertification is just as big a farce as the owners claiming they offered a good deal. So far, these “negotiating” sessions have been nothing more than posturing. Only when the fans stop listening and both sides become worried that their half ass efforts are costing them long term will they come to an agreement.

  • March 12, 2011  - Michael says:

    I thought that the Chiefs were one of the teams locking out the coaching staff and execs as well. So how can Clark say in his “anonymous” press release that the team is working towards the draft? This is BS Clark, blow smoke up someone else. You are part of the problem, Sir, not the solution. This is some arthritic slight of hand stuff that jerry would pull, not the Hunt Family. I had such respect for you in how you shook the timbers of the ship and remade the organization, just as Mr. Hunt did twenty plus years ago. However, I did not expect for you to not have an ounce of the integrity that your father did. But, I guess the texas acorn does not fall far from the rotten texas tree.

    Bob, thanks again for all the great articles and keeping us informed and up to date on the latest and greatest in the Chiefs kingdom. So here is my opinion on all of this:

    Bob Gretz for President!

    What; it could happen.

  • March 13, 2011  - bhive01 says:

    Bummer. I’m really bummed about (potentially) not being able to watch the NFL this fall. I’m not going to go so far as to say that I’m done or giving up. If they played a half season with scabs I’d probably still watch albeit slightly less enthusiastically. I suppose there is still time to save the season, but this is a pretty big FU to the fans at this point.

    Not having the NFL come to the table seriously until their safety blanket was taken away by Doty pretty much showed what was gonna happen. The NFLPA seems to have got it good the last time and don’t want to give up anything. Just not a good situation.

  • March 13, 2011  - TDKC says:

    Just move college football to Sunday. See how long the NFL dominates after that. If I had to choose between a Bengals game or Ohio State……..or between USC or Raiders…Hmmm. That kind of threat would get them off their asses.

  • March 13, 2011  - Anonymous says:

    I still don’t get why people think that employees have the right to tell the owners how to run the business.

    I read today on ESPN of NFP that the Chiefs will have a 10% pay cut but that no one will lose their jobs or be furloughed and that all of the pay cut is able to be paid back once this is behind the league. The Jets are cutting pay by 25% and requiring furlough of at least a week a month while this strike is on. Doesn’t sound like such a bad deal for the employees of the Chiefs to me. They are still employed.

    As for the season ticket holders of course they will still take the payments that’s how they will continue to pay salaries. You will be refunded if any games are missed so what are you losing exactly?

  • March 13, 2011  - CanadianChiefsFan says:

    Players and owners can all take a hike! And Mr I have way to big of a mouth Smith is the wrong guy to be running the NFLPA. And the players can screw themselves, since when do I get to demand my owners financial documents? What kinda precedent is that? And the owners, well, stop giving the money that agents and players demand and thus you can lower prices for us fans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And idiots like Jones don’t need to build billion dollar stadiums.

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