Patience people. I know you’re not use to seeing us draft young guys and having to wait around for them to develop. Its funny because most of you are bashing a rookie def lineman a position where 98% of the time a rookie don’t make an impact at that position early in his career, but a guy like DJ who was also a 1st round pick who has been a huge disappointment with the expectations from him coming out of college. Some of you all are still defending him. When this guy has been in the league more than enough time to show if he’s a pro bowl backer or a bust. Looking more like the ladder if you ask me. Because he’s more average than anything.

It may not be the shining moment. However, Sanchez is playing with an O-Line that are all first rounders. “You” could drop back and pass like him with that kind of protection. Curry…do you really think he would be that “impact” player on the Chiefs? It’s not going to be one draft or one guy. It’s going to be a process. If you dislike the way things are going than move on down the road. I’m sure the Bronco’s are looking for some new people to hop on the bandwagon.

NT: Tank for now, but I think we target the plethora of NT’s in this years draft. Suggestions: Boo Robinson(projected second rounder) or Jamaal Williams or Wilfork.

OLB: Tamba’s career is being resurrected, which I’m glad(he’s always been one of my favorites) but imagine if you add a “playmaker” on the other side? Vrabel is more built for the inside, especially at his age.
Suggestions: Sergio Kindle(top ten pick), Brandon Grahmn(High Second rounder)some other FA besides Steriod Merriman(I hate that guy)

ILB: I’m assuming DJ is gone after this season(maybe sooner), He’s a guy that always has “potential” but four years in the league, he won’t blossom here. According to Haley, Demorrio is palying pretty good. I’m thinking draft a guy like Sean Lee out of Penn State, his injury should drop him to the early third.

Safety: Mike Brown’s performance has been blowing me away. He had like 12 tackles vs. the ravens and a fumble v. the cowboys. He probably won’t play up to that level or will get injured. I really think Dajuan morgan has been pushing him and will be his replacement. Dajuan was highly regarded in his draft class as the first or second best safety behind Kenny Phillips. Jared Page, what a stud!
Suggestions: FA Depth, possible gem in late rounds.

Corner: Carr and Flowrs will only improve. I think Donald Washington will eventually contribute(I didn’t know why we picked a corner that high, but the dude’s a big time athlete)

Draft Neesd on Defense:
1. OLB
2. NT
3. ILB

el cid,
I think you need to chill out about the Jackson pick. Pioli put together an amazing d-line while in NE so forgive me if I say he is a better judge of talent than you. If it is such a strect then why were all the draft gurus predicting it before the draft. Sanchez? Get real! If they spent a first and second round pick on a QB that’d be stupid, especially if they already had to pay the second rounder 14mil and then give sanchez 30+mil guaranteed. Thank god you’re not on the staff.
Also, you can’t compare other players successes based on their play on other teams. Our team lacks so much talent that even these impact players wouldn’t ‘impact’ because a lack of supporting cast. This team is laying a foundation with smart, teachable, good kids. The rest will fall into place but you can’t put a winner together with 6 picks and castaways from other teams. There weren’t 18 starters available to bring to KC. Pioli will get the personnel here and Haley will bring in coaches who he trusts that will help him and things will work out. PATIENCE!

Hopefully that worked this time.

“How about the last 7-8 years…We have needed a new DL since Marty left.”

True. But, it was much easier to overlook that when your Offense is scoring 30 or 40 points a game and winning (Vermeil era).

How about the last 7-8 years…We have needed a new DL since Marty left.

Because Peppers turns 30 at the end of this season and Jackson is 23. A long term and expensive deal for a 30 year old DE doesn’t get me excited.

I think Pioli looked at this team, and saw a team that was piss poor against the run last year. And that’s where he decided to start, the D-line. Jackson was just the guy he thought would be the best pick at that position.

Some may argue that we should have worked on the O-line first. But, I think he saw a team that DID manage to score some points last year. At times, anyway. It was the Defense that was losing games for us most of the time.

Listen, I hope Jackson develops into a run stuffin’ sumbitch. But there’s no guarantee.

I’m saying it’s too eary to tell.

Sanchez? We already had a QB. And who knew Sanchez would play as well as he has? Curry? I could see that one. Sure. That’s actually who I really wanted them to take. Only time will tell who turns out to be the better player. 5 games does not make a career.

I defer to Pioli’s judgement, because I know he knows a helluva lot more about it than I do…as I don’t follow College ball all that closely.

Which would have been…who? Keep in mind, this player would have been coming to the Chiefs…not their current team.

Hey, if you can pick high quality / impact players that are a sure thing…then Pioli should hire you handle the draft for him.

Draft picks are very rarely guarantees. I would suspect that your first year, immediate impact players out of the draft are as much of a surprise to the coaches and scouts as they are to the fans. All they can really do is scout the guy and hope that he might be a solid player in the NFL. I’m certain that there have been a lot of scouting careers made due to serendipity. Hell Carl rode the Derek Thomas pick for 20 years.

On the bright side, read an article about the worst teams in the NFL and the Chiefs were NOT the first team mentioned! It’ll come around, but it’s gonna take patience.

BUT

its still too early to label even succop as a success…nugent is out of a job after thought to be the answer in new york, yes he started slowly but then picked it up etc so on. Do I have confidence in succop? yes, I think hes a future great kicker, BUT you never know, and its 5 games into their careers…

notice how Dorsey is now our best DL? its due to being his 2nd season…and realize the tank tylers and turk mcbrides werent productive year 2, 3…I expect Jackson to be productive next season…hes not a jared allen though that will get 16 sacks, hes a 5-8 sack guy in his prime.

I think if you want to evaluate at the end of the year, its STILL early, but at least you have 16 games…5 games? cmon.

lets face it, the rookie of the year for kc last season is quite possibly the biggest liability in the thing they need him for…pass coverage.

Baltimore Trevor Pryce’s stats rookie year LDE in a 3-4 in 8 games had 24 total tackles, 16 solo, 1 pass deflection and 2 sacks. Tyson has in 5 games 3 tackles, 2 solo and thats it so far…

There were no “impact” players to draft that would have made any difference in our record. They drafted to fill needs, not seats. Many were clamouring for us to draft Crabtree, guess that was a good call to say no.

And, no, I was hardly saying that O’Connell would be a 1 for 1 replacement for Gonzalez. There won’t be another TE like him for years. There was a need for a TE however, and they drafted who they thought could fill the need.

Special group? No, probably not, but only time will tell. I hope they turn out to be a solid group that can stick around. I don’t think you will see a lot of stars around KC in the future. It will be much more along the lines of New England with a solid group of “good” players that know their role. If you are only interested in names, become a Redskins fan, they have lots of them. They suck, but they always get the big names.

One impact player is not going to help this team right now, unless there is a solid supporting cast. The Chiefs are trying to build a team. T-E-A-M. When you have a solid team, then you try to bring in a couple of impact players. That’s just how I see it. So no, I’m not joking…and I’m fairly sure I’m not crazy.

And once again, finding a superstar via the draft is hit and miss. Of course, EVERY team is LOOKING for one in the draft. But, how many actually find one? It’s almost like the lottery. You make your picks, and hope you get lucky.

I agree, ED. Pioli is trying to lay a foundation for this team.

WTF? 5 games? Look around the league, rookies are making their presence noticed by many teams. They solidified their DL with two picks? One does not play and when he does he has better stats than the starter draft pick. O’Connel was a replacement for Tony, joking, right? Looks like we still have depth issues in CB with Washington. I still say they are just guys, nothing special. Sort of sad because the team is 0-5 and if they were anything special they should be able to worm their way into playing time.

B in SC you are just what pro teams like, “Patience and give us 2 – 3 years to put a team on the field that is competitive (notice did not say winning team, just competitive). That is just sucker talk. In the NFL 3 years are a career for some players but you are looking for some pie in the sky to fall on you. Is not going to happen if the Chief just sit there and wait.

You do not have to live under a mushroom to see that after 5 games, the Chiefs have a long way to go and THIS DRAFT DID NOT HELP MAKE IT EASIER.

As for O’Connell its a wait and see. Washington will get better with experiecne. I rather watch him get be then Leggett because he’s had a yr not to make the mistakes he’s making out there in coverage. Lawerence hopefully will show some signs next yr he can be a threat returning the ball if not we might need to release him.

Next yr in the draft this team just needs to go after o-lineman first foremost.Follwed by OLB. Tamba clearly needs someone else on the other side that can get after the qb to take the pressure off him getting doubled and triple teamed. Vrabel is solid but he’s no pass rusher something you need in a 3-4 defense at that position. Next would be receivers. We need receivers that can come in and make something happen.

Our DL was terrible so they solidified it with 2 picks. TE because TG was on his way out. CB because we had depth issues and those guys are usually good athletes for special teams. K was a no brainer.

Personally, I think this draft will pan out to be very good in 2-3 years. How about our draft 3 years ago? Hali, Croyle, and Page remain. I am betting we keep more than that over the next 3 years. They were looking for more than talent on the field. They were trying to establish a core of players who had all of the qualities they desire in players.

It’s still way too early to judge what kind of players these guys will eventually become. As long as they are learning and improving, they should be fine. I admit, though, that the improving part has yet to be seen.

Still, one would expect to see glimmers of performance in his rookie season and thus far, as the article points out, we’ve seen little or none of those moments from anyone with the exception of Succop.

Failure to address the Oline is another strange move. It’s almost as if Pioli knew he had a honeymoon 2009, that the team would suck, that he wouldn’t be held accountable, so let’s reach for guys like TJackson and work on the defense for now.

How well has THAT been working out, giving up 500 yards per game a couple of times already? It’s early and all that but I’m seriously wondering if Pioli knows what the hell he’s doing? (I’ve already discerned that Haley is in over his head).

Basically Pioli blew his first draft. We needed a K but you do not waste the rest to fill that need. That is part of the “Patience” and “Precess” deal with the 09 Chiefs. They did not help themselves with this bunch.

Go Chiefs!