Camp Practice Update 8/5 P.M.-QB Change

From River Falls,  Wisconsin

The Chiefs roster shuffling continued on Wednesday as they released No. 4 quarterback Ingle Martin.

And they claimed off the waiver wire QB Matt Gutierrez. He was recently released by the Patriots. Gutierrez was actually cut prior to the 2008 season by New England, but was resigned after Bernard Pollard made contact with Tom Brady’s knee.  Gutierrez spent time this season with the Raiders and when cut recently, he re-signed with the Patriots. But they released him again on Monday when they signed QB Andrew Walter who was released by the Raiders.

Gutierrez, 6-4, 230 pounds, is 25 years old and joined the Patriots in 2007 as a college free agent out of Idaho State. He spent his first three college seasons at the University of Michigan. He played at DeLaSalle High School in Concord, California, probably the top schoolboy program in the country.

In the 2007 season, Gutierrez played  in five games for the Patriots as a late fill in for Brady. He threw and completed one pass for 15 yards.

Martin joined the Chiefs last year, but never played in a game. He practiced Wednesday morning, but was not on the field for the afternoon workout.

Martin was not getting a lot of work during the practices, especially as Brodie Croyle has shown he’s completely recovered from his knee injury. Not sure how Gutierrez figures into the picture, other than the fact he’s a former member of the Patriots. That currently carries a lot of weight around the Chiefs for obvious reasons.

The Chiefs afternoon workout featured a lot of work on situations and on the punt team wiht the kicking game.

Again missing from the field was ILB Monty Beisel. He also did not  practice in the morning. Working on the rehab-bike  patrol were: OLB Mike Vrabel, ILB Demorrio Williams, RB Kolby Smith, G Wade Smith, ILB Wes Dacus and S DaJuan Morgan.

TE Brad Cottam returned to practice after missing three workouts because of a right ankle injury.

Observations and info from the afternoon work that went down under party sunny skies:

- They ran 12 plays in the team run segment and the defense won seven of the snaps. LBs Zach Thomas, Jovan Belcher and Corey Mays had big hits, while RB Dantrell Savage had the best run, breaking outside on the right side of the defense (Bobby Greenwood a nd Pierre Walters were in.)

- Rookie WR Quinten Lawrence had all sorts of problems catching punts during practice. He fumbled one ball directly into the hands of TE Sean Ryan who was coming down field on coverage.. Lawrence then botched another ball, but was able to recover it himself.

- OLB Andy Studebaker is handling some of the long snapping on punts. During the session, Todd Haley specifically called for Studebaker to go in to snap the ball to punter Dustin Colquitt.

- The No. 1 punt team that lined up this afternoon was CB Ricardo Colclough and RB Jackie Battle at the flyers, S Jon McGraw as the personal protector, Tanner Purdum at  long snapper, S Bernard Pollard and Jarrad Page as the wings with Studebaker and Ryan inisde on the left and LB Vince Redd and Mays inside on the right.

- The Chiefs ran the team portion of practice inside the scoring zone and Haley wasn’t happy. Some 10 players into the 16-play drill, Haley sent both teams back to their huddles and he could be heard  yelling “we’ve had four mental errors already.” When WR Jeff Webb caught a pass  on the next  play and ran sideways, Haley was all  over him. “Get up the field Webb,” Haley said. “Don’t run east to west.”

- They finished practice with a competitive situation: the offense had the ball on the defense’s 10-yard line and had three  plays to score. On the second play for the No. 1 offense, CB Brandon Flowers picked off Cassel’s pass in the end zone. Thigpen got the No. 2 offense into the end zone with a throw to WR Terrance Copper.

33 Responses to “Camp Practice Update 8/5 P.M.-QB Change”

  • August 5, 2009  - findthedr says:

    thanks for the info Mr. Gretz.

    Could you tell us a little more about how Bobby Engram has looked in practice? Is Rodney Wright likely to make the team?

  • August 5, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Real Rin ® :cool: daddy-o sez –

    Brodie Croyle is making his move for #1 – starting QB for ‘YOUR’ Kansas City Chiefs!


  • August 5, 2009  - alex k says:

    thanks for the updates, figured that martin would be cut when he wasnt out there in the afternoon(via your updates) Gosh would that signing of TJ be overdue

  • August 5, 2009  - alex k says:

    Hey, if Croyle can be the starter, im all for it, its just too bad it would only last till the first time an OL misses a block or a RB misses a blitz pickup.

    just saying…

  • August 5, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Not to worry al(ex)…LJ is a new man & will block this year…(hee hee hee hee hee)

    :cool: daddy-o

  • August 5, 2009  - alex k says:

    hes a new man that may run a bit better….LJ will never ever attempt to block if it puts him in any danger.

    You know Croyle cant take a hit…its unfortunate, he has quite an arm.

  • August 5, 2009  - Kevin B says:

    Lets just be honest we all love Rin, and the spice he brings to this website. Plus while obviously conceited he is not very malicious, so here is to honoring Rin Tin Tin!

  • August 5, 2009  - alex k says:

    Gosh, if Andy can be an OLB AND snap for the chiefs, thats one less roster spot going to a pure LS…that would be ideal.

  • August 5, 2009  - alex k says:

    Agreed, no problems with Rin, when its actually him its really not an issue.

    Just stating that Brodie just cant take the hits…either that or hes REALLY unlucky. I guess Pennington has been able to piece together a career being fragile.

    Sigh…Q Lawrence is really making it hard for me to support him…I figured KR/PR only…but if he cant catch punts 5 days in from the same punter….ugh. Cant even blame it on nerves…not sure what to blame it on…guess its hands.

  • August 5, 2009  - Donnie says:

    We Need Tyson Jaskson This Year and We Need him Starting week 1 Get the Deal Done Mr. Pioli!!

  • August 5, 2009  - Ryan says:

    Thanks for the updates Bob.

    Can you talk about our safety situation at some point? I think it is very interesting what are plan is going to be with those five guys and which one will not make the squad.

    Thanks Bob!

  • August 5, 2009  - burnsomatic says:

    It sounds to me like we are taking a step backwards. Is that what it looks like to you Bob. Toomer sounds like he is doing very well already, great pick up.

  • August 5, 2009  - Scott says:

    From Bob’s CBS camp update:

    “Raiders owner Al Davis is in the house again. So are Mark Davis, his son, and Raiders chief executive Amy Trask, as well as ex-Raiders great Steve Wisniewski.”

    Al Davis is “in the house”? At our practices? Anyone know WTF that could be all about? Anyone?

  • August 5, 2009  - ED says:

    Those Brandon boys are the truth. Carr and Flowers every day i’m reading about how one of those two guys are making big plays in practice. We might have the best young tadems of corners in the league. IF Herm didn’t do anything else right in this rebuild of his he left Haley some studs at corner.

  • August 5, 2009  - findthedr says:

    I’m suprised Demario Williams is still on the team. He isnt big enough for a 3-4 LB, and he is always injured.

  • August 5, 2009  - MikeO says:

    Thought Martin was ok. Matt G. is the same size and has the throwing motion of Brady, more upside. Look for the Chiefs to trade Thigpen back to the Vikes.

  • August 5, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    I doubt Croyle will even make the team. He’ll get used as a “camp arm” and tossed on the scrap heap with the rest of Herms junk players, Mommy-O.

  • August 5, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    I doubt Cassell will even make the team. He’ll get used as a “camp arm” and tossed on the scrap heap with the rest of Pioli’s junk players, Mommy-O.

  • August 5, 2009  - Chris_Texas says:

    Man I almost bit on the Croyle BS… He will start for Hayley when the dems puts a tax cut in. I like the Matt G. pick up also he showed alot of potential in college I think he could be a solid backup maybe even a starter someday.

  • August 5, 2009  - Did the Chiefs Cut QB Ingle Martin to Make Room for Tyson Jackson? says:

    [...] Update: 7:54 PM Gretz chimes in at his own blog: [...]

  • August 6, 2009  - Josh says:

    Yeah, Brodie Croyle will start…his car and drive home from Arrowhead after standing on the sidelines holding a clipboard every game this season.

  • August 6, 2009  - get real says:

    Like Brodie but he cannot take the punishment of the NFL size and speed. I would hope somebody would cut him loose if he is as delicate as his history says.

    Al Davis was scoping out for discards to fill his roster. He is a genius in his own mind.

    T. Jackson, just bad would it be if he held out until the season starts? Could he be valuable if he missed the training camp? Recent history (pre Pioli) says our luck with 1st round picks is not all that impressive.

  • August 6, 2009  - ED says:

    Brodie always had the arm and the talent but he misses the most important trait of playing quarterback which is avalibility. The guys has great talent anybody who followed his career knows thats why Herm and Peterson had so much confidence in him, but the guy can’t stay healthy. So unless Bob going to tell me he’s gained about 10 to 15 pounds of muscle to help his durability. I’m not going to get excited about his training camp practices. He’s done this every season then gets hit in a game and out for the season or misses half of it. Tyler still should be the backup more durable.

  • August 6, 2009  - Harold C. says:

    Brodie needs go go elsewhere if he is ever to see the starting position again. The Chiefs are really more or less done with him barring and unforeseen catastrophes.

    So….are we replacing the Chiefs with Patriots rejects…one piece at a time? How long before we have an entire team of ex-Patriots? I hope they are looking at real talent and not just signing people just because they were Patriots. Not everyone on those Patriots Superbowl teams were great awesome players.

  • August 6, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    bad thing is Harold C, ex-pats could probably beat us the last 2 years. ha

  • August 6, 2009  - Scott D says:

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again – the issue between Croyle and Thigpen is that Thigpen does not do well in a pro style offense (evidence? The entire offensive scheme had to be altered last season to fit him!), and from what I’ve read from ALL the reporting sources, he hasn’t had that great of a camp so far. If Haley is installing a pro style offense, Thigpen may not be the guy you want to bring in when Cassell gets hurt. I’m not so sure that Matt G. wasn’t brought in to challenge Thiggy, not Brodie.

  • August 6, 2009  - Scott says:

    Scott D says: “I’m not so sure that Matt G. wasn’t brought in to challenge Thiggy, not Brodie.”

    I have to agree, Scott D. I think Thigpen is a good guy…and he did a decent job last year with what he had to work with. But, he just may be the odd man out.

  • August 6, 2009  - Josh says:

    Thigpen v. Croyle = Gannon v. Grbac

    A strong arm will be defeated by heart and desire every time.

  • August 6, 2009  - Scott says:


    Huh? I’m assuming Grbac was the “strong arm” and Gannon was the “heart and desire”?

    Grbac won that battle, remember? At least in the minds of the coaches.

  • August 6, 2009  - Josh says:

    He wont the battle here, yes…but who played in the Super Bowl and was league MVP? It wasn’t Elvis. He left the building the way he came in…just another QB.

  • August 6, 2009  - Scott says:

    Bad memories, Josh. Bad memories.

    I’d hate to see another of our QB’s go somewhere else and kick ass.

  • August 6, 2009  - Josh says:

    Agreed. It always hurts when the Raiders beat us…but it was especially painful when Gannon did it.

  • August 6, 2009  - SG says:

    “I’m suprised Demario Williams is still on the team. He isnt big enough for a 3-4 LB, and he is always injured.”

    If he gets cut, it’ll be part of the final round of cuts methinks so that another team will get a shortened evaluation period to conclude if he’s part of their Right 53 in order to have him.

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