Bottom of the Bird Cage 3/11
This would be the 70th day of the year, so we pause for remembering the 70s who played for the red and gold who include Marcus Spears, Jim Nicholson and our personal favorite, Jim Rourke, an offensive guard from the 1980s.
It was on March 11, 1942 that General Douglas McArthur abandoned the Philippines island of Corregidor because of Japanese attacks, one of the great American defeats of World War II.
On March 11, 1955 Oskar Ferdinand Mayer died. This German-born butcher set up a meat market in Chicago with his brother and before long they were releasing Oscar Mayer meats, which became a multi-million dollar business, but also brought us one of the great American iconic symbols: the Weinermobile.
A month ago the Weinermobile skidded off an icy highway just south of Mansfield, Pennsylvania. The two women drivers used their cell phones to call for help, as they were unable to get the vehicle back on the road.
With the help of a tow truck, the Weinermobile was back on highway. Here are the last few lines of the story of the accident that appeared in the Elmira Star Gazette newspaper:
Kurzejewski hooked up and Emily fired up the highway hot dog, and a few well-timed tugs later, the Wienermobile was back on the highway. For Kurzejewski, veteran of hundreds of tows over the years, Sunday’s experience was a new one.
“I’ve pulled out a lot of vehicles,” he said. “But that’s the first wiener I’ve ever pulled out.”
It was a first for the women, too. They left none the wurst for wear.
“Usually we try to keep from scratching our buns,” Goudie said. “But sometimes, things go wrong.”
Folks, you can’t make this stuff up. Or, the stories that follow.
From the Denver Post:
One of the undeniable rites due any quarterback of the Broncos is he is always given a key to the city. Yet after three years, Jay Cutler doesn’t have a key to its heart.
As the fumes of McJaygate drift ominously around Dove Valley, Cutler’s image is being painted, repainted and analyzed by the NFL, his fans, his friends and the media. On the one hand, some accuse Cutler of being in a perpetual pout on the field and immature off it. And, despite a Pro Bowl appearance, he has yet to convince many fans, or his new coach, that he’s the leader of the Broncos.
On the other hand, this is a quarterback who dips into his own pocket to fly a Broncos public relations employee to Hawaii for the Pro Bowl. He meets diabetes patients in Honolulu and Tampa, Fla. He shows up on his day off after victories to analyze film and urges teammates to join him. He has the toughness and down-to-earth qualities that make him “one of the guys” in the locker room.
“I’ve seen the word ‘surly’ used to describe him a few times, and I disagree with that,” said Trey Holloway, his center at Vanderbilt. “The biggest misconception about Jay is that people call him an arrogant punk, and that’s not true at all. At the end of the day, he’s competitive.”
Wonder why so many first-round quarterbacks never become anything in the NFL? Just take a look at what’s up with Cutler in Denver and you’ll understand. This is a guy who has had a pretty good start to his career. He’s gotten better each year, although the team around him has not. He does many things just as you would like your quarterback to do, plus he overcame and has learned to deal with his diabetes. Yet, there’s no doubt that feelings about him are very mixed in Denver, and that goes all the way to the top of the Broncos organization with new head coach Josh McDaniels.
Eventually, this will all blow over and Cutler and the Broncos will get back to the reality of playing football. But if you wonder why some teams are hesitant to use an early draft pick on a young quarterback (like the Chiefs under Carl Peterson) then this story and Cutler’s situation is a pretty good example of how tough the situation can become.
From columnist Tim Sullivan in the San Diego Union-Tribune:
Elvis has not left the building. Not yet. And not this year, at least. LaDainian Tomlinson has resisted the siren call of his buddy, New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees, and the lure of exploring greener pastures. He has swallowed some pride and an undisclosed amount of income for the opportunity to preserve the status quo.
To stay here. To stay home. In agreeing to a new three-year contract, the Chargers’ long-brilliant, lately brittle running back has postponed a parting that might be inevitable, but would have been painfully premature at this point. He has chosen to remain a local icon instead of becoming some other city’s hired gun. In this, he has chosen wisely.
“The alternative was just unthinkable,” Chargers President and CEO Dean Spanos said in a prepared statement. “He belongs in San Diego.”
There’s great celebration today in San Diego because Tomlinson remains with the Chargers. But this is just putting off the inevitable. Next year, the same problem will come up and given that it’s a year later and L.T. has another ring around his football bark, there’s a very good chance he’ll be gone. It takes a very calculating, unsentimental heart to cut ties with a player who has done so much for an organization. Chargers general manager A.J. Smith likes to think of himself as that kind of guy and left on his own, Tomlinson would be on the open market. But Smith got overruled in this situation by his boss, Dean Spanos.
It’s a never ending battle for any sports franchise: is it better to give up an older player and get something for him, than keeping that player until the end of his career and get nothing for him?
The Chiefs are going through that same situation right now with Tony Gonzalez. Was he a productive player last year? Absolutely. Will he be so again this year? More than likely. What about two years from now? That’s a question mark. So, do the Chiefs ride out his career until he’s ready to retire, or do they deal him now, getting something in return, even though they know he has some productivity left?
From USA TODAY:
One candidate has been dogged repeatedly by allegations stemming from sources. An alternative candidate has close ties to a major power broker. There is a write-in choice who emerged in the 11th hour, using Constitutional privilege. The other option has made a mark with his roles in Congressional inquiries on Capitol Hill.
Another political drama to be decided by voters at the ballot box? Check. But with an undeniable football twist.
The NFL Players Association will select the successor to the late Gene Upshaw as the union’s executive director during meetings in Maui on Sunday, and the momentous decision will not only anoint the leader for players who compete in the nation’s most popular sports league but culminate the end of a rugged campaign trail littered with controversy.
Player representatives from each of the NFL’s 32 teams will decide the issue, which will weigh heavily on the players’ high-stakes negotiations with the league for a new collective bargaining agreement. They’ll chose between two former players who served as union presidents — Trace Armstrong and Troy Vincent — and attorneys David Cornwell and DeMaurice Smith.
The election of a new leader is very important for the NFL Players Association. I know the average fan really doesn’t give a hoot about who will run this club of multi-millionare players. But the new executive director of the NFLPA is going to be the leader in negotiations with the owners on a new agreement. Right now things do not look good for a deal without some sort of owner’s lockout or legal wrangling.
That’s why the average football fan needs to care about this election; the man in charge could be a big determination whether there’s football on the field in 2010 or 2011.
And now, time for another ‘My Take’ with your anonymous host…’anonymous’
Famous also-ran nee also-wores #70 Chiefs history:
Bob, don’t forget Curt Farrier, an 6’6 264 lb. OT type (who was also briefly tried on the defensive line. Hank Stram had some high hopes for him once upon a time but Tyrer & Hill weren’t gonna budge.
Or Bobby Kelly, who played for the Chiefs briefly in 1967…irony of ironies, he was the player who was involved in the tragic preseason 1963 kickoff return play which resulted in the neck injury and eventual passing of Chiefs WR Stone Johnson.
Alphonso Boone now filling out that integer for Kaycee. Never has been a really great Chief who wore it…from the (over)hype one would suspect it will be given to cassel…the Chiefs seeking an NFL waiver the rules regarding QB #s,by way special dispensation to continue the tradition #70 in Kaycee.
…and anyways…back to the real world…
I hope the Chiefs DO keep Gonzo for the remainder of his career. How great will it be when he’s putting on his jacket at Canton and the picture of him only has ONE logo painted on it?
Continuing…that KC had the great Fred Arbanas – best TE in Chiefs history & one of the best ever – as a member of their three Championship teams and both Superbowl teams, is a nod to his place history.
Today’s the modern players with their over-hyped less meaningful numbers/stat built upon the back rules changes and defensive limitations that but aid offense are without question less filling as to value than yesteryears.
That they too show no as in ‘zero’ Championships let alone playoff wins, be even more telling.
Otis Taylor has stated he would have caught 150 passes a year had he been playing now. Had Fred Arbanas as Otis benefited from the modern rules as the modern players – like a gonzalez – Fred would have caught 125 a year, without question. He was that good.
I think Tony G has shown over and over again that he’s much more of a professional than LT. Tony doesn’t pout on the sidelines like Tomlinson has done. I also hope he finishes his carreer here in KC. To me, it would be a smudge in his carreer to have his bust in Canton have any other team logo along side the Arrowhead.
Tony G’s intangibles alone make him a wise investment for the future with the Chiefs. Remember how you felt when T-Rich left the team although most all of us felt he had something left to contribute?
Now, several years later, T-Rich is still getting it done. I feel the same about Tony G.
Tony pouts in the newspaper, on TV and to anyone who will lend an ear nee listen.
Nod toward an old Armed Forces Radio & Television intro – paraphrased – “Listen, there’s music (nee whining) in the air.”
I agree Rip. He’s one of the vets our team needs to show the rookies how to practice, prepare and study. His day to day leadership is one of the few bright spots left on our team at this point.
I selfishly hope he finishes his carreer here, but I wouldn’t hold it against him if he did decide to move on to a different team for his shot at a championship ring.
Forsooth, methinks mine rubber helmet fits too tight!
I am lame and no one cares what I have to say…methinks.
Anonytin,
I agree with you on Otis Taylor. He would have embarrassed modern players like T.O. with both his production and his class. He was one of the best ever anywhere. But, when it comes to tight ends……
Fred Arbanas-6’3″ & 240#, big for his day, 9yrs, 118 games, 198 catches, 3,101 yards, 34 TDs, considered one of the finest blocking tight ends of his era(www.kcchiefs.com)
Tony Gonzalez-6’5″ & 251#, extremely fast for a TE. 12 yrs(so far), 190 games, 10,940 yards(over 3 times that of Arbanas), 916 (more than 4 1/2 times that of Arbanas) catches, 76 (more than twice Arbanas) TDs, considered to be one of the best blocking TEs in the league, Leads not only the Chiefs organization, but the entire league in every meaningful recorded regular season statistic for TE save Superbowl victory (sports.yahoo.com).
While I appreciate your sense of nostalgia as well as your logic that only Superbowls count, I bet if you asked Len Dawson who he would have preferred to throw the ball to, in spite of his affection for Arbanas, Gonzalez would be his pick hands down. While he may not have Arbanas’ ring, Tony is unquestionably the best tight end in Chief’s history if not the history of the NFL. I say that in spite of the fact that as players, I liked Arbanas better myself because of the animal he was.
Larry,
I fully agree and I like your post.
Direct to the point and factual. Not rhyme with no reason.
My preference is Gonzo, I identify with the time frame more…..
ArrowheadHawk,
Glad you liked the post. I’m a bluecollar guy. Arbanas was a tough, hard-playing SOB, Tony G. is a slick, smooth-running thoroughbred. Comparing the two players is like comparing a Porsche to a Chevy 4×4 with an offroad package. Everybody has their preferences, I’m just not the highway enough for the Porsche.
Larry says: Anonytin
anonymous says…”who he?”
As you get the name mine wrong but the scribe nee author in question right, here I go again . . . ‘nother ‘My Take’ episode.
“I agree with you on Otis Taylor. He would have embarrassed modern players like T.O. with both his production and his class. He was one of the best ever anywhere.”
- so far so good – from sharp minds (mine) come sharp things (both insight and incite); you are obviously a regular subscriber mine – of which there be many as this blog doth attest howe’er, borrowing a bit from military jargon ‘there are many retorts but this one I address be thine.’
“But, when it comes to tight ends”
- “everybody’s got a big but” – Pee Wee to Simone in “Pee Wees Big Adventure”; keeping in character Pee Wee to Simone “let’s talk about your big but.”
(drum roll)
“Fred Arbanas-6″²3″Âł & 240#, big for his day, 9yrs, 118 games, 198 catches, 3,101 yards, 34 TDs, considered one of the finest blocking tight ends of his era(www.kcchiefs.com)”
- there were none better as a blocker…which is why late in his career he was scheduled to become an OT in 1969, only to return to TE the same year when the hoped replacement Reg Carolan was hurt – Arbanas had overcome his own injuries afore: back problem that wiped out his ’61 rookie campaign & the loss of eyesight in a ’64 mugging.
More interesting factoids re: Fred comin’ right up, that sign post just ahead, your next stop: the reality zone.
“Tony Gonzalez-6″²5″Âł & 251#, extremely fast for a TE.”
- facts: Gonzalez was 6’4 1/8 238 lbs time of the draft, and his speed was a not so swift 4.81 even as a 21 year old (Arbanas, who later reached 243 lbs came in at 236 himself, and ran a – shock – 4.80; Fred was very fast for a TE in those days. Gonzalez speed is pedestrian today and was as a rookie- DEN Sharpe was a fast TE, among others.
“12 yrs(so far), 190 games, 10,940 yards(over 3 times that of Arbanas), 916 (more than 4 1/2 times that of Arbanas) catches, 76 (more than twice Arbanas) TDs”
- 2 more games per season x 12 years, a watered down rules era since the late 70′s and thereaft that benefit offenses & a former Chiefs offense thence that did not throw to the extent today’s game & Chiefs do, just the opposite in fact. It is a league wide tack, why all the superfluous stats are just that…superfluous, as a Fred and Otis would affirm had they the luxury of playing in the modern ‘no o bump aft 5′ compared with the ‘all bump all the time jive’ yesteryear.
Here’s something of note: every 6 nee 6th Arbanas catch went for a TD – that’s “twice” as efficient as gonzalez at his supposed ‘best’: the best that gonzalez can do is only a TD per every 12 catches (12.1) Thanks, but I’ll take Fred Arbanas…best TE in KC Chiefs history.
“considered to be one of the best blocking TEs in the league”
- laughable…gonzzalez has never been one of the best, he has merely become adequate from a former can’t get out of his own way tack. That he would even be jokingly mentioned by someone as a ‘good’ blocker circa ’09 be indication just how lacking an attribute that be among NFL TE’s – if it were true that he was – in fact, he is not.
“Leads not only the Chiefs organization, but the entire league in every meaningful recorded regular season statistic for TE save Superbowl victory (sports.yahoo.com)”
- as with a Fred Arbanas who bettered him by far, check out gonzalez catches per td, yards per and the like ‘stats’ vs other modern day peers his, who in more than one case did more despite less years and games on a ‘per’ basis (Kellen Winslow Sr, Antonio Gates, etc.) and see how good he looks.
“‘Yeah but, yeah but – that was San Diego…they THREW more than gonzalez and the Chiefs.” Really? Precisely…the exact same argument that can be made and was by yours truly regarding Arbanas v gonzalez.
Touche – AND – checkmate.
“While I appreciate your sense of nostalgia”
- do you really? Do some research, then gush about it/anonymous even more…
“as well as your logic that only Superbowls count”
- never said that, but it is interesting that Fred was a three time winner, gonzalez but a three time(s) a week whiner circa 2009.
“I bet if you asked Len Dawson who he would have preferred to throw the ball to, in spite of his affection for Arbanas, Gonzalez would be his pick hands down.”
- why don’t you ask him…I have.
“While he may not have Arbanas’ ring”
- ‘may not’? The Chiefs may not have won since Arbanas was the TE but…or if you prefer – “& despite gonzalez – “mr. wonderful’s” presence these last 12 years,huh.
How telling, in both cases.
“Tony is unquestionably the best tight end in Chief’s history if not the history of the NFL.”
- he can’t carry Fred Arbanas shoes…
“I say that in spite of the fact that as players, I liked Arbanas better myself because of the animal he was.”
- I say that because I watched both play, have talked with both players, & as well others who played then and now.
Strength vs strength, Fred Arbanas blocking skill exceeds gonzalez receiving skill; & taking Fred’s blocking & adding his impressive receiving stats & doing the same regards gonzalez blocking skill, Arbanas was the better player- the best TE in KC Chiefs history. Fred Arbanas…the smart choice.
Rim shot! – cymbal crash! – big finish…mine.
anonymous says…”here I go again . . . “Ëśnother “ËśMy Take’ episode.”
Do you take meds for these “episodes”?
If not…you should.
Oh doth the truth hurt? Verily it doth. How much? Indescribably, as the afflicted cry out in their pain… here’s some more (I’m a sadist to your masochist-ian waltz.)
Arbanas 15.7 yards per catch career, gonzalez 11.9.
Seasons of 20.2 yards per catch Fred – WOW! – better than even ‘modern’ day WRS! 17.4, 16.4, 16.2 etc. etc. SUPERB.
gonzalez: in half his season (6) he hasn’t even been able to get to 12 yards per catch, efforts like 11.0 and 10.5 among the highlights. Man is he good…huh.
Safe little ‘dump passes’ where no one can touch him aft 5 gonzalez – vs workign hard to get free all day long vs bump & run Fred.
“THAT CAN’T BE!” CRY THE MODERN KNEE JERK FACTION!
“Tis”, opines anonymous…check the numbers.
heh heh heh
Bob,
Thanks for putting the name of the writer at the top of thier replies. It saves alot of time being able to skip over without bothering to read certain responses.
Can’t see the forest for the trees…
That’s ‘Forest’…he’ll be back in a moment, doubtless.
It sure does save time in reading.
I just found this article and thought it would be interesting. Big names for coaches, and if they time it right, might be something to kill the time and lessen the withdraw during the offseason for those football addicts.
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=As5xtmoWcYzPo.U3s1NkEOZDubYF?slug=ap-unitedfootballleague&prov=ap&type=lgns
Or his proxy nee alias, one of many…
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Hey Rinanonytin,
You left out the story about Arbanas being asked by a ref after he lost the sight in his one eye if he worried about having his other eye injured and what he would do if he became blinded.
Fred reportedly said, “I guess I would have to become a referee.” He and Otis Taylor were two studs that gave many of us old enough to remember them great memories. By the way, if Anonytin isn’t retired I want his job with all the time he has to spend on this site.
NOW I’m beginning to understand Anonymous! He says he’s a sadist… He ENJOYS people belittling him and calling him names. Pieces to the puzzle…..
Harder limp wrist, harder! A waltz by any other be a walk in the park, nee a lark…wake when done.
So today the Chiefs cut Quinn Gray. Kinda bugs me cause he’s actually a QB that has won some games in the NFL as a backup. IMO they should’ve cut Croyle.
We signed Gray as a street free agent. If he had potential he would have already been on someone’s roster. KC, all the bad things that have happened the last couple of years are not Croyle’s fault. He’s a fine young man who is good enough to be a backup. Look at his stats. They are better than some starters. The poor kid can’t stay healthy, so he’s probably not a starter. But why would you want to cut him? Spite like that is ridiculous.
“But why cut him?”
- the complainant’s name must be Kietzman…
“of Spite”
- and of small frontal lobe…
“like that”
- exactly so…
“is ridiculous.”
- and is churlish to be sure…
It has nothing to do with him being a fine man or not. I like Croyle the man. I’m not too fond of the 3rd string QB making more money than the backup. Or the fact that our emergency QB has problem finishing games on his feet.
byzkit
dito
THE RIGHT 53 2009
Maybe Pioli finds Croyle to be part of the right 53!!
arrowhead1978
It could be that he can be pne of TR53. Or maybe we are trapped by the cap number BC represents. I hate how thoae $$ work against the
let’s do this again.arrowhead1978Â It could be that he can be part of TR53. Or maybe we are trapped by the cap number BC represents. I hate how those $$ work against the TEAM sometimes. I was never impressed with BC on the field he was kind of skiddish. It looked like the jump to the NFL was a little too drastic for BC.Maybe he will come out of his shell and prove all of the naysayers wrong. I hope for the sake of the TEAM that he does. It is ALL about the TEAM.THE RIGHT 53 2009
Anon,
Ok, last one for me on the Arbanas/Gonzalez debate.
Arbanas Career
YPC-15.97
Catches per game-1.7
TDs per game-.32
Gonzalez Career
YPC-11.9
Catches per game-4.8
TDs per game-.4
Advantage Arbanas in YPC, TG in catches per game. TDs are pretty close.
The point in the rule changes helping TG is well taken, Anon. However, when playing that card and insisting on evaluating talent with the lens of historical perspective, then one must also accept the evolution of offense in the NFL contributing to TG’s lower YPC. The West Coast offense revolutionized the NFL and the “extended running game” means many more short dump off passes (as you stated) and thus a lower YPC than during Arbanas’ era, especially for a TE. As support for this hypothesis, witness Jerry Rice, the most prolific WR to play the West Coat style. His career YPC is 14.8. Would you call Jerry Rice a slouch because his YPC is lower than Arbanas? Saying that a downfield big-hitter passing attack is “better” than a shorter one bent on regularly moving the chains is a reflection of taste and not effectiveness.
Also to be considered is the fact that Arbanas had the luxury of playing with Otis Taylor. Taylor was the man other teams game planned for when playing the Chiefs of his generation. I can still remember him streaking down the field and pulling what seemed to be the entire secondary toward him as he went. Who has been there to been there to take the heat away from Gonzalez? When facing the present day KC passing attack, teams game plan for TG and not the Chief’s wideouts. He faces constant double team coverage (Arbanas did rarely) as well as a good many triple teams (which was never for Arbanas).
In the end, statistics must be the evaluator for production on the field, although they are not the measure of the man’s character. When it comes to the most productive, “best performer” at TE in Chief’s history, Tony Gonzalez is unquestionably the player. When it comes to being ‘the man’ at TE for the Chiefs, the nod should go to Arbanas.
So, Anon, as to the “best” TE in Chief’s history, I will respectfully agree to disagree with you.
Larry,
It’s not worth your time trying to have a civil conversation/discussion with Anon/Rin; he’s too mired in his own sad little world to notice that what you’re saying is true and subjective. He’ll probably just take what you say completely out of context and use a lot of “thee’s” and “thou’s” in an attempt to get your goat.
You’re right, everyone here sees that, even if he doesn’t.
Actually, when reading between the lines, Rin will make some concessions to a well-penned argument albeit never in outright argeement. I enjoy the challenge of those tiny little “wins” and actually get a real kick out of a good many of his posts. I’m too thick-skinned for him to ever really annoy me, so, this little playtime is fun for me, win or lose.
Larry said: “Anon, Ok, last one for me on the Arbanas/Gonzalez debate.”
- getting cold feet nee bock-bock-bock!, eh Lar? It’s OK, you at least had the jewels to address the discussion, rather than contemplate navel fuzz like the other 99.9% the afflicted this blog.
Larry also said: “Advantage Arbanas”
- Lar, on this we are in agreement…
“in YPC”
- check, and in tds per catch ratio, meaningful catches all/ever, Championships and Superbowls, and…well, if we said any more it’d be braggin.
ADVANTAGE – Arbanas
“TG in catches per game.”
- and many MORE passes THROWN to him in all those extra games his. Mr. Phelps – here’s your mission should you decide to accept it: go back and check how many passes per game were ‘thrown’ to Fred & conversely to gonzalez…then, check on how many passes were dropped year by year by each player …I have. The result be, gonzalez has had ‘more’ than 5 and closer to 6 – as in ‘five or closer to six times as many passes THROWN to him to date than Fred, and gonzalez has dropped many more than Arbanas too.
ADVANTAGE – Arbanas
That’s the point you say, he should drop more? Except this be ‘gonzalez the great’ (some say.) Then just as he should have caught more passes, he should also have caught more tds, gotten more yards, etc etc on a ‘per’ basis as stated afore, suggesting he should be far and away better in ‘every’ stat comparison to Arbanas & not just a few…alas gonzalez is not as you yourself affirm my earlier blog facts. AND, it then follows that if he had more than 5 times/near 6 times as many passes thrown to him as Fred, gonzalez should’ve caught more than 5/closer to 6 times as many passes…he has NOT.
ADVANTAGE – Arbanas
Had he, gonzalez would’ve been somewhere between 990 and 1198 passes caught – 1094 when averaged. To date finds himself at only 916.
TDs? gonzalez should have caught between 170-204 TD catches or 187 averaged…again, gonzalez does not, with only 76.
Yards? He should have 15505 to 18606, averaged at 17056…he does not, having only 10940.
ADVANTAGE, ADVANTAGE, ADVANTAGE – Arbanas.
Fred Arbanas wins this football stat trifecta hands down…gonzalez only to nee ‘for’ show.
ADVANTAGE – Arbanas
“TDs are pretty close.”
- not really, as I just iterated.
ADVANTAGE – Arbanas.
“The West Coast offense revolutionized the NFL and the “extended running game”Âť means many more short dump off passes (as you stated) and thus a lower YPC than during Arbanas’ era, especially for a TE.”
- except that as former Chief Len Dawson & others have stated they – (the Chiefs) WERE running that West Coast offense even back in the late 60′s … can’t have it both ways; Fred did more with less opportunity than gonzalez as I’ve shown afore… in depth research & stats affirm said when one takes the time to investigate ALL and not merely the obvious that be the most a typical KC Chiefs blogger this forum can cipher…not so much you as the other 99.9% Bob- er, Mr. Phelps- er, Lar.
“As support for this hypothesis, witness Jerry Rice, the most prolific WR to play the West Coat style. His career YPC is 14.8. Would you call Jerry Rice a slouch because his YPC is lower than Arbanas?”
- and there you have it – flip side, wouldst you call Arbanas a slouch because he didn’t catch as many passes as gonzalez or rice? There’s the rub.
“Saying that a downfield big-hitter passing attack is “better”Âť than a shorter one bent on regularly moving the chains is a reflection of taste and not effectiveness.”
- worked quite well for Joe Namath and the Jets, Daryle Lamonica/Raiders, John Hadl/Chargers … likewise, it worked even BETTER with Arbanas and Dawson. ADVANTAGE – Arbanas.
“Also to be considered is the fact that Arbanas had the luxury of playing with Otis Taylor.”
- who didn’t become a starter until 1966, who was injured for half of 1968 missing all those games, several games same in both 1969 & 1970. And that Fred was no longer a receiving threat by 1968 and aft…yet STILL, Fred did so much afore he still exceeded gonzalez ‘per’, despite the bump & run. ADVANTAGE – Arbanas.
“And Taylor was the man other teams game planned for when playing the Chiefs of his generation. I can still remember him streaking down the field and pulling what seemed to be the entire secondary toward him as he went. Who has been there to been there to take the heat away from Gonzalez?’
- Priest Holmes, and Kimble Anders, and Derrick Alexander, and Andre Rison and…well, makes that argument yours moot nee mute.
“When facing the present day KC passing attack, teams game plan for TG and not the Chief’s wideouts.”
- really? Bowe must have paid the opposition off for those 156 catches in just 2 seasons. Too, as gonzalez has proven by his ringless tenure he is not much of a concern, any. As gonzalez indicates via his 4-12 contribution his whine, “trade me.”
ADVANTAGE – Arbanas.
“He faces constant double team coverage (Arbanas did rarely) as well as a good many triple teams (which was never for Arbanas).”
- and still Arbanas with as many as 6 times less opportunity in a bump & run era did more ‘per’ than gonzalez across the board…how telling.
ADVANTAGE – Arbanas.
“In the end, statistics must be the evaluator for production on the field, although they are not the measure of the man’s character. When it comes to the most productive, “best performer”Âť at TE in Chief’s history, Tony Gonzalez is unquestionably”
- not that player…
ADVANTAGE – Arbanas.
“the player.”
- the man, the legend: One Eye Fred, Best TE in KC Chiefs history.
“When it comes to being “Ëśthe man’ at TE for the Chiefs, the nod should go to Arbanas.”
- I just said that…check.
ADVANTAGE – Arbanas.
“So, Anon, as to the “best”Âť TE in Chief’s history”
- allow me as you’ve helped affirm: ADVANTAGE – Arbanas.
“I will respectfully agree to disagree with you.”
- the adulation line mine forms to the right…
Wait, nee, hold on. Larry, I change my mind (read: small pebble in my head, nee cranium). You are, in fact correct. I, anonymous, do kneel and kiss the rings upon your finger and swear eternal allegiance to you.
As imitation nee idolator mine affirms above, game, set, match…THE anonymous – ‘anonymous’.
heh heh heh
But you are still correct, Larry. I suck.
TZ ep. “Eye of the Beholder” in a Chiefly way -
“No change…no change or rebuttals at all!”
Fred Arbanas schools gonzalez like anonymous schools this blog, daily!
And like I school the rear-ends of monkeys with mine own genitals!
Second verse same as the first!
TZ ep. “Eye of the Beholder”Âť in a Chiefly way -
“No change…no change or rebuttals at all!”Âť
Fred Arbanas schools gonzalez like anonymous schools this blog, daily!
And like I school the rear-ends of monkeys with mine own genitals! I’m not sure why I keep forgetting to mention that!