Ask Bob: 9/16

BayouCityChief says: What effect, if any, will Tyson’s absence have on the defense?

Bob says: Based on what we saw before he left the field on Monday night, it will have an effect, especially with DE Wallace Gilberry also injured and not looking good for playing on Sunday in Cleveland. That leaves the defensive line and end position pretty shallow for this game. Given what the Browns were able to do in the running game, it’s not a good sign for the Chiefs.


Paul says: Laurence Maroney was traded to the Broncos? What in the heck does Josh McDaniels think he’s getting out of that trade?

Bob says: First, he knows Maroney from working with him with the Patriots. Second, he’s got problems at running back and with his overall running game. Three, I would be that the price tag was not very high. Four, he just may be desperate at this time given all the failures and injuries.


Todd says: I don’t understand why we are 2-point underdog in Vegas on this game, nor do I understand why all 3 of the Inside the NFL hosts pick Cleveland. Can someone tell me what I’m missing?

Bob says: Generally the home team is a three-point favorite, if the Chiefs are only two-point dogs then that tells us the Vegas boys think bettors believe the Chiefs can generate something in Cleveland. Then, there was last year’s game at Arrowhead where the Browns racked up 351 rushing yards against the K.C. defense. On top of that, add a poor offensive showing against the Chargers and that two-point difference doesn’t seem out of line at all.


Michael says: Looking at the transactions, OT Joe Reitz has moved around quite a bit the last few weeks. I’d like them to bring in Micah Johnson to the practice squad. Any chance Bob?

Bob says: I think the Chiefs are trying to bring some stability for awhile until they get a better picture of what they have on the active roster and practice squads. But I think eventually they will churn the practice squad quite a bit bringing in players at positions where they are undermanned or don’t have enough talent. Offensive line would be one of those spots, although they like G Darryl Harris and I think they feel a bit of a commitment to OT Bobby Greenwood for changing positions in camp.

I would bet they’ll take a look at Reitz. He’s 6-7, 320 pounds and has built himself up to an offensive tackle, after playing tight end in college at Western Michigan. He’s got good athletic skills, but he’s very definitely a developmental project. He’s already been with the Ravens, Dolphins and Colts.

LB Micah Johnson has been signed and released by the Giants and Dolphins since he was not selected in the 2010 NFL Draft. He’s got some athletic ability, but I’m not sure he would be a better addition than a Justin Cole or Cory Greenwood.


RW says: Question for Bob. Is DJ a late-late bloomer or is he just now getting his head right after perhaps resolving some personal issues off-the-field?

Bob says: He may be a late bloomer, and maybe his head is right. I know of no personal issues off the field that would have been keeping him from being a consistent contributor. I think because of his athletic ability, football was always pretty easy for Johnson. I’m not saying he didn’t work to improve, because he did. But he’s really a gifted man to have the speed and quickness for a player his size. I think that’s always been his strength and curse. Todd Haley hasn’t said this but I think he was trying to get D.J. out of his comfort zone, with the idea that it could create a better and more consistent player. Whether they’ve been successful or not, we get to see in the next few weeks.


el cid says: It was easier to get up for MNF and the fan support on all Chiefs players. Can they carry that intensity to Cleveland? Haley and coaches have a real challenge Sunday.

Bob says: They surely do el cid. Remember, last year they beat the Steelers at Arrowhead 27-24 in overtime and rode that high to San Diego where they got thumped by 39 points. There is absolutely nothing for them to be celebrating as a team. I think this group is more mature than last year’s team, I think largely because the rookies are more mature.


el cid says: Maybe Mr. Thum wanted to finish his part of the Lamar legacy. He did not fit with the new bunch from Clark on down. So after he was part of the remodeling of Arrowhead (really dedicated to the past Lamar, Hank, Len, and the old greats) and the MNF spotlight on the Chiefs, why not walk away with your head high rather than wait to be sent out the back door?

Bob says: He was sent out the front door. Thum did not walk into the building on Tuesday morning to resign. He had a meeting with Hunt and was told he was stepping down and that his resignation would be announced that afternoon. That’s not how you treat a 37-year employee who has been nothing but loyal to the franchise and the family.


Barry says: Apparently according to the Star, his assistant is no longer with the team as well. My guess is there is more to this than what is out there. What most people don’t realize is Bob’s wife once worked in the Chiefs front office. She did for quite some time. Bob does have some insight that a lot of people don’t.

Bob says: Thum’s secretary Nadine was released on Tuesday as well. She had also been with the club for many, many years. There isn’t anything more to this than Clark Hunt’s desire to have a Chiefs organization that was his, not his father’s and not Carl Peterson’s. Again, that’s understandable, but he’s hurt his business by throwing out and chasing away talented people, who could have helped him for years to come. Instead, he’s allowed an incredible amount of talent, passion and loyalty to be pulled from the organization.


RickyP says: Maybe that quote should be accredited to Mrs. Gretz, then Barry! “once worked in the Chiefs front office” doesn’t sound like it has any relevance to “shown many times over the LAST TWO YEARS, loyalty and passion no longer matter in the Chiefs organization.” That Bob has an ax to grind with the new management is blatantly obvious and though I still love his insight into the goings on with the Chiefs, I do believe he would be better served without the snide remarks.

Bob says: RickyP, I call them as I see them. The way some of these people have had their life turned upside down largely for the sake of change, doesn’t make much sense if you ask me. People in all lines of business have been kicked to the curb in the last few years as this economy tanked. One place where they aren’t hurting for money is the NFL and the Chiefs. But these decisions are based not on money, not on ability, but on throwing out the old. I think it’s wrong.


Tracy says: Is in fact ax grinding taking place in this column? His comments on this and most everything else are frank, even blunt, observations. If Bob is privy to inside info, it may well have come from any number of sources within the organization. He covered the Chiefs for years while with the Star and was their on the field radio guy for well over a decade thereafter. He knows people on the inside. This is football, not the Nixon White House, even though there certainly is an effort to minimize leaks.

Bob says: I have an ax in the garage and it hasn’t been sharpened in years, not since the last time I tried to trim a tree and left a blasted scar on my leg. For those that don’t know, let me refresh. I spent 1978-1980 covering the Pittsburgh Steelers. I spent 1981-September 1989 working at the KC Star, and spending a lot of time at Arrowhead. From 1989 until April 2008, I worked at KCFX and the Chiefs Radio Network. The last two years, I’ve had this website. So, I’ve been around pro football for over 30 years now and around the Chiefs for what will be 30 seasons in 2010. I’ve seen many things over that time and got to know many people over that time. Some of them are still working for the Chiefs; how much longer remains in doubt. Any problem I may have with these moves comes from my belief that you don’t chase away talented people, who have been loyal and have a passion for what they do. It just doesn’t make sense.


Aloha Ray says: “But as it’s been shown many times over the last two years, loyalty and passion no longer matter in the Chiefs organization.” Mr. Gretz, that’s a conclusion completely unsubstantiated by the facts that you present. Before you impugn the integrity of Mr. Hunt you should either tell us the facts you have learned that led you to this conclusion, or at the minimum tell us that you know things and are unwilling to publish them. I have no idea what happened β€” what facts were available to the Mr. Hunt that are unavailable to me (and you). Looking at the timing I might conclude, however, that this was a move that Mr. Hunt wanted to do when he hired Mr. Pioli, but instead decided to reward Mr. Thum with the opportunity to see the renovation of the stadium through to the end. Lastly, maybe Mr. Hunt just plain made a mistake. That’s still no excuse to traduce his reputation.

Bob says: Traduce? Aloha Ray, I had to look that one up. For those dummies like me, the definition is “to speak falsely of, or maliciously of.” Ray, what would you call the almost complete upheaval of the organization for the sake of change? Does that make sense? People have been fired, released and retired because of … they don’t know. They aren’t told why. They aren’t given the opportunity or avenue to present the other side. They are brought into an office, escorted out the front door by a security guard and if they are lucky, they can get back whatever personal items are in their office. Those are the facts Ray. It’s happened close to two dozen times over the last two years.

This does not make Hunt or the Chiefs any different than a lot of other businesses these days. What Denny Thum did – working for the same employer since 1974 – is old school and doesn’t happen today in any line of business. One thing Ray that you don’t know is what people like Denny Thum have given to the organization over the years. Incredibly long hours piled up week after week, year after year, effecting family life and health. Not all of these people made big money. But they were committed to Lamar Hunt and the Chiefs, and they were treated like family.

Things are different under Clark Hunt, and again that’s his right as the leader of the Hunt Family. He can run his business in any fashion or manner that he likes. But that doesn’t mean I agree with what he’s done and the way some of these loyal employees have been treated. You can choose to disagree with my assessment. That’s OK.

12 Responses to “Ask Bob: 9/16”

  • September 16, 2010  - dan says:

    Bob–It does sound like sour grapes….

  • September 16, 2010  - Gerald says:

    I’m really not surprised to read the critical comments concerning Bob’s assessment of the Denny Thum resignation/dismissal. I believe that most people that subscribe to this website do so because they are die-hard Chiefs fans and they like Bob’s truthful approach to reporting on the Chiefs. So it’s disconcerting to those of us who put the Chiefs and their organization on a pedestal to learn that behind closed doors politics and ugliness take place just like they do in a lot of the places we work.

  • September 16, 2010  - Fan Since 93 says:

    Well said, Gerald.

  • September 17, 2010  - Brandon says:

    “So it’s disconcerting to those of us who put the Chiefs and their organization on a pedestal to learn that behind closed doors politics and ugliness take place just like they do in a lot of the places we work.”

    This. Didn’t really expect to hear about this sort of stuff. All we ever hear about is how good of a man Lamar was.

    Bob, perhaps you could do a historical writeup about the man, the team, the business. Hell, with that much stuff… how about a regular series of behind the team sort of stuff.

  • September 17, 2010  - Nathan says:

    Let’s get back to football…
    Bob, do you see the Chiefs bringing in anyone at the wide receiver spot?
    What’s your opinion on why the Chiefs didn’t ride Charles a little more on Monday night?

  • September 17, 2010  - Paul says:

    You know, when I first read that article about how Thum had “resigned”, I thought to myself, “Really? Is it that big of a deal?” But I think I understand why and how much of this hits you in the gut. The whole thing is wrong, and hopefully these people find work elsewhere soon. To play Devil’s advocate, I can understand trying to completely wipe the slate clean of anything left behind. However, just because there have been a few years of futility doesn’t mean everyone was bad, just a lot of bad apples in the bunch that’s all. But whatever. It is what it is I guess, and everyone just has to move on and roll with the punches. I appreciate the article, and the responses, Bob. This is why people like me ponied up the money for this site.

  • September 17, 2010  - RW says:

    I want to thank Bob for his speedy responses to questions posed on various topics which, through no fault of his own given various responsibilities, wasn’t present in the early days of Bob This adds tremendous value to the site overall and thought it apt to acknowledge same. Thanks, Bob.

  • September 17, 2010  - gerald says:


    Love your football observations. Don’t mind paying a bit either.

    That being said, any organization that allowed Schaft and Peterson to rule for decades and produce such imbalanced hapless playoff records for forty years needs to clean house and start with a fresh group of front office players.

    The chiefs front office has been inept. The teams sculpted by them have been weak and laughing stocks of the league. Bad choices galore. Public posturing by incompetent football minds. Schottenheimer was good but not great. Herm, Petersen, Gunther were disasters. DV was one dimensional great Offense and the worst Defense ever at any level- all sizzle no steak.

    Clean house. Start over. Crush the opposition. Win championships. Thats what we want.


  • September 17, 2010  - dan in joplin says:

    Bob, thanks for your interaction! It really adds to the site.
    Transition can be tough! In any business, their are always great people who are “mistreated”.

    gerald, Exaclty, well said! Lets just hope Clark is right!

  • September 17, 2010  - Devin says:

    Bob, I for one understand what you are saying and would agree with you. Cleaning house in any organization is a difficult thing to do. However, talented leaders know who to cull and whom to keep. You don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater, just to clean out the sink. You can always find a place in an organization for good people, especially dedicated and loyal people.

    Maybe Clark felt that he was not well enough respected and lived too much in the shadow of his father. That is understandable. However, the easy road is to remove all the old and start completely over. The better road, in my opinion, is too win the hearts and minds of those worth keeping and build a tradition and following of your own. If you can do that, then you have right to your own legacy.

  • September 17, 2010  - Roger says:

    Hi Bob. As always, I appreciate your take on things. I have a question; What have you been able to observe on our new NT Anthony Toribio. Any chance he may get some playing time Sunday to spell Edwards now that Shaun Smith is possibly rotating time in Jacksons spot?

  • September 18, 2010  - Sharon says:

    Any business owner has the right to “clean house.” How the owner proceeds to do so says a lot about who they are and whether or not they have – for lack of a better word – “class.” Taking loyal employees and having security usher them out is totally lacking in class, taste, civility and honor. So, that is apparently the difference between Lamar and his son. Lamar was classy, his son is not.

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