Are The Chiefs Better or Worse?

You know what I think, now let’s hear what you think is the answer to the question: are the Chiefs as they are now constituted better or worse than they were last season?

The standard is the same one I applied to my conclusion: it’s either yes or no. There’s no maybe, might or could be. Based on what you’ve seen and what you know, do you think the Chiefs are better or worse right now? They key here is right now. Obviously things can and will change, but as they open the season, what’s the level or your optimism or pessimism about the 2011 Chiefs.

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35 Responses to “Are The Chiefs Better or Worse?”

  • September 9, 2011  - bhive01 says:

    No. I don’t think we have improved. The lack of an offseason for the team to gel, the injuries to some key players (Cassel’s Ribs, Baldwin’s Thumb), the loss of others in free agency (Smith, soul of the defense IMO), and the loss of a quality offensive coordinator to UF just weigh heavily on this team right now.

    The guys you mention in your last post, a lot of them seem more like “WTF” than “OMG.” Pastarice-ini for example.

    I’m expecting a .500 season.

  • September 9, 2011  - MarkInTexas says:


    McClain over Cox.
    Asamoah/Gaither over Waters/O’Callaghan.
    One-handed Baldwin over Chambers.
    Houston/Sheffield over Vrabel/Studebaker.
    Gregg over Edwards.

    The only real downgrade is Pope vs Moeaki.

    I think 2nd/3rd year players Arenas, Asamoah, Lewis, Berry, Jackson (last chance) and McCluster are improved based on experience alone. Last year’s taste of winning and a playoff appearance was an important stepping stone.

    The team is absolutely better, in my opinion. They’ll go 7-9 because of scheduling, but I am convinced the 2011 Chiefs would beat the 2010 Chiefs head to head.

  • September 9, 2011  - Petey says:

    Better team, worse record. I think this team is a year away from being able to consistantly perform with the big boys. I’m not saying we will be super bowl contenders, but we should make the tournament for a couple of years in a row.

  • September 9, 2011  - Randy Miller says:

    Bob covered the talent. But there’s another angle that may make a bigger difference in 2011. The taste of winning last year. Many don’t undestand why Pioli is bringing in a couple of individuals with questionable character issues. My take is because Pioli and Haley believe they have already established a generation of leaders that won’t let the locker room go south. Those same leaders have now tasted the playoffs…

  • September 9, 2011  - ed says:

    No question better by a miles and miles. You look at offense bettet receivers. Mcluster now has find a role in the offense that will maximize his potential.

  • September 9, 2011  - David says:


  • September 9, 2011  - RW says:


  • September 9, 2011  - Kent says:

    I’m a little disappointed. I don’t think we are better on the defensive line and I feel that we need another linebacker that can get to the quarterback. I don’t think our offensive line is better especially at the right tackle position. I don’t know why the Chiefs did not upgrade these positions. I am disappointed about our 1st round draft choice and the way he has acted. I haven’t seen anything from Breaston to think that he is an upgrade. I was very disappointed in the preseason. It doesn’t appear that this team is as good as last years. I hope that I’m wrong. I think that Mclain will be an upgrade.

  • September 9, 2011  - Tim says:

    Better…but I don’t believe it will show up in the record this season due to the schedule difficulty.

  • September 9, 2011  - ed says:

    To add to that Mcclain should improve run game with his blocking and ability to help in short yardage situation. Also defensively additions of Houston and Sheffield back in the lineup will add pass rushers we havent had in the past opposite Tamba. And defense under second yr with Romeo Crennel which will have guys flying around this season and doing less thinking. Last but not least Qb. Cassel making the pro bowl. I think thats huge for this guy confidence. On top of the fact that he has had 2 winning seasons out of 3yrs as starting Qb. He’s proven what I said when we got him here in KC you put good team around him he can win games and be a top flight QB.

  • September 9, 2011  - Tenand6 says:

    Administration: Better. After a disastrous first draft, Pioli has settled in and is bringing in good players.

    Coaching Staff: Better. Established and more harmonious. Weis had his strengths, but Haley seems genuinely happy with Zorn. The QB’s need a good coach at that position and they got one. This group seems more cohesive and is loaded with experience and football smarts. Haley is a known quantity and that seems to be a good thing with the players.

    Team: Better. Cassel needs a QB coach and he’s now got one. Stanzi has more upside than Croyle and has a coach to take full advantage. Palko seems to also be a better team leader/QB than Croyle despite his lack of arm strength.

    Running backs are better with McClain. 3rd and short isn’t quiet as scary as last year.

    OL is a push unless Gaither steps up and starts.

    TE takes a big step back. However, watch O’Connell. I’ve seen enough in camp to give hope that he’s much better than fans think.

    WR are better with Baldwin. I saw enough in camp with this kid and have faith in Haley and the locker room. Breaston is a big step forward as a #2 and will bring immediate help.

    D Line is a push. Losing Smith hurts. Gregg appears a mild improvement and assuming Edwards suffers the same injury here, then that’s a big step forward. Bailey already makes Gilberry better with his push on passing downs.

    LB’s: Better. Houston and Sheffield are more than pleasant surprises. The Chiefs now have a legit pass rush. We haven’t seen an ability to get to the QB like this in years. This will make our secondary better. And, our secondary will make this unit better.

    Secondary: Better. More experience, more depth and a pass rush that will make their jobs much easier.

    Special teams: Push.

    Practice Squad: Better. Talent inches up from last year.

    Tougher schedule but the Chiefs are taking steps to make themselves better in the long run. If the Pioli/Haley rift is real, then it’s all for naught. Haley is a good coach who has assembled a first rate staff. If Haley’s gone after this year, the Chiefs will take a step back just when we’ll be poised to leap ahead with a more favorable schedule and another year of development. If Haley doesn’t get a contract extension then Scott Pioli has failed big time. Tyson Jackson won’t be his biggest mistake.
    Pioli will be the problem.

  • September 9, 2011  - el cid says:

    I do not think the Chiefs are better or worse.

    I believe the team is sadly, badly behind in drafting. Whether the kids will develope is not a question I can answer, no, it is just they are no help TODAY.

    Free Agency, it is pretty clear that Pioli guards the bank vaults against spending on veteran free agents. Come 2013 and the Chiefs HAVE to spend to the cap floor and not bank 30 million every year (for some mythical spending frenzy), this may change.

    No I fear the Chiefs are not better or worse, they will use the lockout and schedule for a “lost opportuntiy” and year.

  • September 9, 2011  - Niblick says:

    I’m like most on this site. I think they are a little better because of the additions of Breaston, Gregg, McClain. I think the difficult schedule will make it difficult to get to nine wins. I’m not sure about the draft but it looks like Houston will be good. Baldwin is still a big question mark. The loss of Moeaki hurts a lot. I’m saying 7-9, without any more major injuries. I’ve added Indy as a possible win with the loss of Manning.

  • September 9, 2011  - aPauled says:

    Better…but as said earlier…worse record.

    Plus – Adds: McClain from Cox, Breaston from Chambers/Tucker/Curtis, Gregg from Edwards. These are all huge upgrades!

    Plus – Experience: McCluster, Asamoah, Berry, Lewis, Gilberry

  • September 9, 2011  - Ernie Barney says:

    Better. Let the games begin!

  • September 9, 2011  - Josh says:

    Worse team, worse record. Either we traded down in intelligence, motivation, character, or a combination of all three, but last year’s team impressed because they were a team. If this hodge-podge doesn’t gel, and begin playing like they care about their profession, we’ll be lucky to see 5 wins. We should be able to handle the Buffalo Balls. But when we get our fannies handed to us in week two by *Detroit* (just threw up in my mouth), it will be apparent that teamwork and attitude will be the difference in the season. I agree that our first round draft pick proved to be a bust before he even caught a pass, and that our band-aid trades were negative. If tasting the playoffs last year means anything, some of these players will be lucky to survive this losing season with their dignity intact.

  • September 9, 2011  - Justin says:

    I think we are better in several areas (rb’s receivers and LB’s) but that does not equate to wins. We do gain some experience over last year but we lost a great deal as well in key spots. Overall, I say better.

    I saw how sloppy the Saints looked lat night and hope there are others out there like that where we might take advantage – of course others likely look at us that way as well.

    Game on. Lookin’ forward to the opener @ Arrowhead!

  • September 9, 2011  - PAChiefsFan says:

    Worse right now due to injuries and lack of time together due to labor issue.

    Optimistic that they will improve as season progresses. Tougher schedule but I think teams will have their hands full playing the Chiefs.

  • September 9, 2011  - Jimbo says:

    I think it’s silly to judge the Chiefs improvement or lack thereof. We have’nt even played a regular season game yet. We played sloppy in pre-season last year and the nay sayers were lining up then too. good grief… I really don’t think we can determine what the hell is going on with this team without playing a game that matters.
    Scott Pioli & Todd Haley are already being mentioned in the past tense… please, give me a freaking break. I’m ok with Bob’s two cents and enjoyed reading you guys responses.
    I would find it startling and depressing if we are not an improved squad. Last nights game showcased two of the best QB’s in the league. Their passes were accurate, timely and well defended, yet they were able to scramble and still thread the needle right into their receivers hands time and time again. Impressive!
    Matt Cassel is not even close to the caliber of Brees and Rogers. In my opinion Cassel will not get better even with Zorn coaching him up. Until we secure a QB of the future, mediocrity is the best we can do. Pioli and Haley know this. They are simply putting together the surrounding talent necessary now for our QBOTF to blossom.
    Go Chiefs.

  • September 9, 2011  - Blake says:

    They are a better team talent wise, but we will have to see if they are better on the field together. They are worse conditioned than last year, which has already caused injuries, the chemistry doesnt look to be there yet. They still have work to do, I think after about 3 weeks they will look better than they did last year.

    Baldwin>Chambers now and future

    Breaston/Colbert>Tucker/Horne more talented

    Brown>Jackie Bates now and future

    Gaither>O’Callahan now and future

    Gregg>Edwards now

    Hudson>Niswanger now and future

    McClain>Cox/Castille now and future

    Piscitelli>Langford Langford always injured

    Powe>Toribio now and future

    Sheffield>Walters now and future

    Stanzi>Croyle future

    GordonGales now and future

    Houston=Vrabel Houston is more versatile now, but not as smart, in the future Houston>>>>Vrabel

  • September 9, 2011  - harvey says:

    Yes Better
    Gregg/Powe > Edwards/Smith
    Breaston / Urban > Chambers
    McClain > Castille / Cox
    Hudson > Niswanger
    Studebaker/Houston/Sheffield > Vrabel/Studebaker

    Moeaki / O’Callaghan / Siler out for year

    Add returning player experience

  • September 9, 2011  - pharmer says:


    I think we’ll have a worse record due to a tougher schedule and the fact that we are not the only team which has gotten better.

    The 2010 team overachieved because of a very strong offseason program, and a lack of injuries. I think that we are already seeing the effects of not having that off season program this year

  • September 9, 2011  - Randy says:

    The areas where I think we will see improvement are: pass rush, outside passing game, and secondary play. The areas we slide back will be: o-line play…which will effect the running game and passing game but we still pass the ball better due to Cassel improving and better weapons outside.

    Overall…I think the Chiefs will be a better team this season but with that schedule finish around 8-8.

  • September 9, 2011  - Kenny Low says:


    Don’t really like the term worse because it implies we were not good last year. However if there is a choice between better (which I have not enough evidence that we have improved) or worse, we are worse.

  • September 9, 2011  - Michael says:


    Lack of off-season, no chemistry, injuries, project rookies and band-aid vets, strength of schedule, and oh yeah; baldwin.

    Now, lets prove me wrong cus I’m in the mood for crow.

    GO CHIEFS!!!!!

  • September 9, 2011  - Craig says:

    Slightly better. Lets see if Cassel can generate a passing attack as they stack the box to prevent the run. Slightly worse record, depends on offense, defense better than last year. Prediction Houston, Rookie of the year on Defense, if he gets to play. He looked like a beast in preseason.

  • September 9, 2011  - Canada Brad says:

    Chambers is NOT on the roster. Enough said.

  • September 9, 2011  - rufus says:

    Oh gawd, this team is light years better than last season. Cassel looks transformed – and that’s coming from a guy that never liked Matt C, mainly because of the slow lumbering release of the football he had. But that has been replaced with a traditional QB release. I still claim he needs to get stronger mid/upper body, but he’s using his legs much less now, and that translates to quicker release.

    Vrabel was great for the Chiefs, but his liability in quickness has been replaced with a coached up Studie plus a few others. This defense is going to be good this year. No, I mean good.

    The playoff game was the boldest statement of what this team is – Defense & Jamaal. There were some big plays by Bowe & Moeaki, but when it came down to it, Jamaal Charles is the only legit offense in KC.

    This year hinges on Matt C and the passing game. As that group goes, so to will the Chiefs. It’s time for this QB to just go out there and start winning his battles. Game one is a good place to start. Bowe is ready. Breaston is legit #2. I’d be looking for Randy Moss after week one though. He knows this offense and could walk in tonight, line up and light up. He would lift Matt C’s play all by himself.

    We’ll see. But this team has matured. THey are a lot better this season. Now score some points boys – Matriculate!! hahahaha

  • September 9, 2011  - Kiowa says:

    Waste of words until we see them play some games and have a better idea after 3 to 5 games.

  • September 9, 2011  - johnfromfairfax says:

    Better. Not to copy but I think MarkInTexas’ evaluation was pretty spot on (I especially liked one-armed Baldwin over Chambers). Let’s see what transpires and how the new pieces come together as the season progresses.

  • September 10, 2011  - Kenneth says:

    Yes they are improved but it may take part of the season for them to take shape and actually look better and we do have a much tougher schedule so its possible that we may see the team play the good teams in our schedule tougher but we may actually win less games this season than the last one.

  • September 10, 2011  - cosbychief says:

    I think on paper the roster has improved and we will gauge on the field after the first 5 games and the bye week. Additionally, on paper the schedule is tough but one thing i know it’s hard to forecast future enviroment with past results. Already the schedule is shifting with Indy being more vunerable and as this schedule unfolds who knows how tough that 5 game stretch of with conference champs will become. Injuries happen, so team wise it improves, record wise we will find out.

  • September 10, 2011  - TDKC says:

    it sure will be more clear after the Bills game.But that’s too easy.
    Right now I say the are about the same. What was gained in talent at a few positions was lost in veteran leadership in others.
    The Moeaki injury will really hurt them.

  • September 10, 2011  - brainsmasher says:

    The Chiefs are much better. There are no Nate Hobgood-Chitticks on the team. They definitely added some studs–something they were missing last year. I like Haley’s outside the box thinking . I think this is the year they get a return on the investment in Tyson Jackson. I predict at least two return TDs apiece for McCluster and Arenas.

  • September 11, 2011  - Kenny says:

    I was holding hope, but we are


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