Comments on: A Messy Rebuilding History … Friday Cup O’Chiefs http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html Dedicated to providing the best coverage of the Kansas City Chiefs. News, commentary, reports, and exclusive inside information - daily! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:27:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ratso http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29878 Ratso Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:57:53 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29878 Hey Dandy .. didn't the Donkeys play the Raiders and win? I believe they kicked the snot out of the Raiders 23-3 while our Chief's blew the game on a final drive by the Raiders. I like your enthusiasm but your facts are messed up. I do predict the Chief's will win this weekend. I think the team is getting better but it's a long way from being a good team. Our O-line is one of the worst in pro-football and our running game is pathetic. While I watched the Vikings-Packers game I kept asking myself why in the world did we trade Jared Allen and keep LJ?? What a smart move ... trade an all-pro DE for a pussy RB. LJ doesn't have the balls to give it the extra effort .. he's more worried about getting injured than he is about making a first down. I for one am sick of losing and expect more from this team. They are better than their record but if they keep making bonehead msitakes and getting stupid fouls we won't win any games. Another thing that kills me is our first round draft picks .. wow aren't they underwhelming. Talk about a bunch of busts! Half the time u can't tell if Jackson is even in the game. With all the first rounders on defense you'd think it'd be a force instead of a farce. What really makes this season tough is that I moved to Denver and have to listen to their constant ragging about how great the Donkeys are and what a joke the Chiefs are. Talk about adding insult to injury ... oh man. So come on Chiefs ... get your heads out of your arses! Strap on your helmets and start playing smash mouth football!! It's time to play up to your abilities and start winning again. Hey Dandy .. didn’t the Donkeys play the Raiders and win? I believe they kicked the snot out of the Raiders 23-3 while our Chief’s blew the game on a final drive by the Raiders. I like your enthusiasm but your facts are messed up. I do predict the Chief’s will win this weekend. I think the team is getting better but it’s a long way from being a good team. Our O-line is one of the worst in pro-football and our running game is pathetic. While I watched the Vikings-Packers game I kept asking myself why in the world did we trade Jared Allen and keep LJ?? What a smart move … trade an all-pro DE for a pussy RB. LJ doesn’t have the balls to give it the extra effort .. he’s more worried about getting injured than he is about making a first down. I for one am sick of losing and expect more from this team. They are better than their record but if they keep making bonehead msitakes and getting stupid fouls we won’t win any games. Another thing that kills me is our first round draft picks .. wow aren’t they underwhelming. Talk about a bunch of busts! Half the time u can’t tell if Jackson is even in the game. With all the first rounders on defense you’d think it’d be a force instead of a farce. What really makes this season tough is that I moved to Denver and have to listen to their constant ragging about how great the Donkeys are and what a joke the Chiefs are. Talk about adding insult to injury … oh man. So come on Chiefs … get your heads out of your arses! Strap on your helmets and start playing smash mouth football!! It’s time to play up to your abilities and start winning again.

]]> By: findthedr http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29872 findthedr Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:59:24 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29872 Bob, you left off your buddy Herm's rebuilding. that was a disaster. Bob, you left off your buddy Herm’s rebuilding.
that was a disaster.

]]> By: Jim Lloyd+ http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29871 Jim Lloyd+ Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:51:48 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29871 ------------- Dandy Chief : If you take it to 12 , I think it could be in the range of 8 or 9 . 5 of these are Divison games and IF they can roll 5 out of 5 inside of such then I can cancel that truck load of BREAD ! ————-

Dandy Chief :
If you take it to 12 , I think it could be in the range of 8 or 9 .
5 of these are Divison games and IF they can roll 5 out of 5 inside of such then I can cancel that truck load of BREAD !

]]> By: Josh http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29867 Josh Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:25:13 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29867 Who wants to live in the past? Not me. Bring on the rebuild! Who wants to live in the past? Not me. Bring on the rebuild!

]]> By: Mike DeCamp http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29865 Mike DeCamp Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:07:45 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29865 Screw all of this rebuilding stuff. It's all so depressing. I say they nix the live games this year and go into classic mode where they show old Chief victories. I could watch that Tamarick Vanover punt return TD against the Chargers in OT a thousand times! Screw all of this rebuilding stuff. It’s all so depressing. I say they nix the live games this year and go into classic mode where they show old Chief victories. I could watch that Tamarick Vanover punt return TD against the Chargers in OT a thousand times!

]]> By: DandyChief http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29863 DandyChief Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:08:08 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29863 Rob says: To my fellow KC Fans, welcome to Mayberry. It just figures that the Bronco’s get it right again and KC continues to shoot it’s self in the foot. WRONG. If the Chiefs and Broncos switched schedules,the Chiefs could be 4-0 and the Broncos 0-4. The teams you play do make a difference at this point in rebuilding. You will see Denver lose 4 of their next 6 games and the Chiefs will win 3 of the next 6. At the end of the year they will both win 6-8 games. Remember, Denver did have and still does have better personal. Lets see where these two teams are in 2 years. Rob says:
To my fellow KC Fans, welcome to Mayberry. It just figures that the Bronco’s get it right again and KC continues to shoot it’s self in the foot.

WRONG. If the Chiefs and Broncos switched schedules,the Chiefs could be 4-0 and the Broncos 0-4. The teams you play do make a difference at this point in rebuilding. You will see Denver lose 4 of their next 6 games and the Chiefs will win 3 of the next 6. At the end of the year they will both win 6-8 games. Remember, Denver did have and still does have better personal. Lets see where these two teams are in 2 years.

]]> By: gorillafan http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29862 gorillafan Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:06:50 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29862 Rob, I think the talent level is much better in donkey land than here. Give it time, we will come around Rob,

I think the talent level is much better in donkey land than here. Give it time, we will come around

]]> By: Rob http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29860 Rob Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:38:11 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29860 To my fellow KC Fans, welcome to Mayberry. It just figures that the Bronco's get it right again and KC continues to shoot it's self in the foot. Clark Hunt is beginning to look as competent as Barney Fife. To my fellow KC Fans, welcome to Mayberry. It just figures that the Bronco’s get it right again and KC continues to shoot it’s self in the foot. Clark Hunt is beginning to look as competent as Barney Fife.

]]> By: Jim Lloyd+ http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29858 Jim Lloyd+ Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:48:08 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29858 There is about 8 team's that are hard to beat, at playoff level's from last year , they did NOT get there overnight . For the last few year's it seemed like , NONE got good till the middle of the season . Now is when the Chief's are going to start seeing their work payoff , 11 out of 12 of the rest of the way to go is proably going to improve ! The good part is they had to fight their way thru the worst , and that alone has been better than ,( compare Denver )To making them think they can beat everyone . The Steelers are going to be a good test . The rest , including divinson , are going to be MORE even . By the time they play the Steelers a lot can happen , Todd is going to see to that . There is about 8 team’s that are hard to beat,
at playoff level’s from last year , they did NOT get there overnight .
For the last few year’s it seemed like , NONE got good till the middle of the season .
Now is when the Chief’s are going to start seeing their work payoff , 11 out of 12 of the rest of the way to go is proably going to improve !
The good part is they had to fight their way thru the worst , and that alone has been better than ,( compare Denver )To making them think they can beat everyone .

The Steelers are going to be a good test . The rest , including divinson , are going to be MORE even . By the time they play the Steelers a lot can happen , Todd is going to see to that .

]]> By: skandaluz33 http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29857 skandaluz33 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:07:42 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29857 This is kind of a change of subject, but did anybody see Missouri Nebraska last night? It was so sweet watching my 'Skers come back and whip those Tigers into shape, but what was even more exciting was seeing our DT Suh pretty much dominate the game much like Jared Allen did against the Packers on Monday night. Now I know we need help on the O'Line, LB, WR etc, and we need a dominant DE, but I can't help but salivate at the idea of Suh in red and gold tearing it up, maybe he could even make the switch, he's fast enough, or hell he could take over Tyson Jackson job! Any thoughts? Or is everybody sick of us drafting DL men in the first round who don't amount to anything....? This is kind of a change of subject, but did anybody see Missouri Nebraska last night? It was so sweet watching my ‘Skers come back and whip those Tigers into shape, but what was even more exciting was seeing our DT Suh pretty much dominate the game much like Jared Allen did against the Packers on Monday night. Now I know we need help on the O’Line, LB, WR etc, and we need a dominant DE, but I can’t help but salivate at the idea of Suh in red and gold tearing it up, maybe he could even make the switch, he’s fast enough, or hell he could take over Tyson Jackson job! Any thoughts? Or is everybody sick of us drafting DL men in the first round who don’t amount to anything….?

]]> By: Mad Chief http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29856 Mad Chief Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:04:48 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29856 Rodeo John says: "We know that we have a bad team." Just for the sake of argument...DO we? We've really only played one team on our level so far - the Raiders. Which makes it a little harder to judge just how good, or bad we really are. I look forward to the next stretch of games...where we play good, but not great teams. I think this next 6 games or so will give us a little better idea where we really are. Nobody expected us to beat the Ravens, Eagles, or Giants. And we didn't. Rodeo John says:
“We know that we have a bad team.”

Just for the sake of argument…DO we? We’ve really only played one team on our level so far – the Raiders. Which makes it a little harder to judge just how good, or bad we really are. I look forward to the next stretch of games…where we play good, but not great teams. I think this next 6 games or so will give us a little better idea where we really are. Nobody expected us to beat the Ravens, Eagles, or Giants. And we didn’t.

]]> By: Rodeo John http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29854 Rodeo John Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:56:42 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29854 First off great posts by all. Finally we are starting to discuss football in here. While I agree with you Mad Chief that to truly measure your self you have to go against the better teams, but at this point, it does no good. We know that we have a bad team. I think the coaches knew it too. But it was the hand we were dealt. ONly bad thing about it is it really makes it hard for the fans to accept it. Hence why we have the witch hunting parties running around asking for Hailey's head on a silver platter. We made it through so far with no major injuries. Thank God for that. I fully believe we are going to see a marked improvement on the right side of the offensive line (at least at RT anyways) and that is going to help out a lot. Bowe is going to be back this weekend. Cassel has had another week to work with his WR's and get the timing down. Now, so long as the o-line gives him time to show off that work. Gonna be an interesting game. Hope they show up with their game faces on and no mental mistakes made. First off great posts by all. Finally we are starting to discuss football in here. While I agree with you Mad Chief that to truly measure your self you have to go against the better teams, but at this point, it does no good. We know that we have a bad team. I think the coaches knew it too. But it was the hand we were dealt. ONly bad thing about it is it really makes it hard for the fans to accept it.

Hence why we have the witch hunting parties running around asking for Hailey’s head on a silver platter.

We made it through so far with no major injuries. Thank God for that. I fully believe we are going to see a marked improvement on the right side of the offensive line (at least at RT anyways) and that is going to help out a lot. Bowe is going to be back this weekend. Cassel has had another week to work with his WR’s and get the timing down. Now, so long as the o-line gives him time to show off that work.

Gonna be an interesting game. Hope they show up with their game faces on and no mental mistakes made.

]]> By: Mad Chief http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29853 Mad Chief Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:39:38 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29853 MattMac44 says: "The NFL did the new regime no favors whatsoever in the stating schedule, but you still have to play the games." I'm not so sure. To BE a good team, you have to PLAY good teams. And ultimately BEAT good teams. An easy schedule might make your win/loss total look better...but it doesn't make your team any better. You just have to learn from these games, and hopefully our guys are doing that. Getting your butt kicked SHOULD make you tougher. So, we'll see. MattMac44 says:
“The NFL did the new regime no favors whatsoever in the stating schedule, but you still have to play the games.”

I’m not so sure. To BE a good team, you have to PLAY good teams. And ultimately BEAT good teams. An easy schedule might make your win/loss total look better…but it doesn’t make your team any better. You just have to learn from these games, and hopefully our guys are doing that. Getting your butt kicked SHOULD make you tougher. So, we’ll see.

]]> By: MattMac44 http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29852 MattMac44 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:18:05 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29852 Agree 110% Dandy ... only the Raiders loss is disappointing. Anyone looked at the Titans record? The NFL did the new regime no favors whatsoever in the stating schedule, but you still have to play the games. Agree 110% Dandy … only the Raiders loss is disappointing. Anyone looked at the Titans record? The NFL did the new regime no favors whatsoever in the stating schedule, but you still have to play the games.

]]> By: Josh http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29851 Josh Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:11:55 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29851 "Every team but the Chiefs have found a way to play in a Super Bowl." Let's not exaggerate. There are FOUR teams who have NEVER played in a Super Bowl: New Orleans, Houston, Jacksonville, and the "new" Cleveland franchise. These days look dark, but at least they're not THAT dark. “Every team but the Chiefs have found a way to play in a Super Bowl.”

Let’s not exaggerate. There are FOUR teams who have NEVER played in a Super Bowl: New Orleans, Houston, Jacksonville, and the “new” Cleveland franchise. These days look dark, but at least they’re not THAT dark.

]]> By: Mad Chief http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29850 Mad Chief Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:11:27 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29850 el cid, I do not believe that the Chiefs management has given up on the season. They're still trying to find the right players in the right positions. I think you will see marked improvement by the end of the year. And the areas where improvement is needed will be agressively address in the offseason. Next year we will be MUCH better. "It's a process" is what they have said over and over. We fans don't really want to hear that, do we? But, it's true. Pioli is looking to build a competitive team, year in and year out...like he helped do in New England. We don't want a "one-hit wonder" for the Chiefs. I can see that you are a passionate fan, who just wants to see the team win. If we can't agree on much else, we CAN agree on that. Patience, brother. You WILL see this team turn around. Maybe not as fast as we'd like...but you WILL see it. My prediction for this weekend? We pull off an upset, and win our first game. Hey, even Herm Edwards picked the Chiefs to win this weekend...so it MUST be true! el cid,

I do not believe that the Chiefs management has given up on the season. They’re still trying to find the right players in the right positions. I think you will see marked improvement by the end of the year. And the areas where improvement is needed will be agressively address in the offseason. Next year we will be MUCH better.

“It’s a process” is what they have said over and over. We fans don’t really want to hear that, do we? But, it’s true. Pioli is looking to build a competitive team, year in and year out…like he helped do in New England. We don’t want a “one-hit wonder” for the Chiefs.

I can see that you are a passionate fan, who just wants to see the team win. If we can’t agree on much else, we CAN agree on that. Patience, brother. You WILL see this team turn around. Maybe not as fast as we’d like…but you WILL see it.

My prediction for this weekend? We pull off an upset, and win our first game. Hey, even Herm Edwards picked the Chiefs to win this weekend…so it MUST be true!

]]> By: Rick http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29849 Rick Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:07:11 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29849 Dandy Chief>agree totally Dandy Chief>agree totally

]]> By: DandyChief http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29848 DandyChief Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:55:27 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29848 I don't get it. Has anyone figured out that 3 of the losses were against the Eagles, Ravens and the Giants? 3 of the BEST teams in the NFL.You could take the Steelers and they could lose all three games. You could take every team in the league and they could very well lose all three of these games. It would be totally different if they lost to the Browns,Lions and the Bucs, then we would have a right to complain, but they lost to the BEST teams in the NFL. Lets see where we are after we have played the season, then and only then will we really know what we have. I don’t get it. Has anyone figured out that 3 of the losses were against the Eagles, Ravens and the Giants? 3 of the BEST teams in the NFL.You could take the Steelers and they could lose all three games. You could take every team in the league and they could very well lose all three of these games. It would be totally different if they lost to the Browns,Lions and the Bucs, then we would have a right to complain, but they lost to the BEST teams in the NFL. Lets see where we are after we have played the season, then and only then will we really know what we have.

]]> By: el cid http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29847 el cid Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:31:53 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29847 I really do not get it. Many NFL teams have had to rebuild. They were bad for years but with the correct staff and a few impact players, every team but the Chiefs have found a way to get to play in a superbowl. Now we have Pioli/Haley. They gave up the 09 season to "find out" what they had. So far they have found there is not much left on the team. Many fans have bought into the "process" or "paitience" and that is ok but they have not improved at much, I guess they are still evaluating. Sorry but I just do not get how you can give up a complete season from the point of view of the management, players or fans, just how many seasons do you have left? I really do not get it. Many NFL teams have had to rebuild. They were bad for years but with the correct staff and a few impact players, every team but the Chiefs have found a way to get to play in a superbowl. Now we have Pioli/Haley. They gave up the 09 season to “find out” what they had. So far they have found there is not much left on the team. Many fans have bought into the “process” or “paitience” and that is ok but they have not improved at much, I guess they are still evaluating. Sorry but I just do not get how you can give up a complete season from the point of view of the management, players or fans, just how many seasons do you have left?

]]> By: MenInRed http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-messy-rebuilding-history-%e2%80%a6-friday-cup-o%e2%80%99chiefs.html#comment-29846 MenInRed Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:34:09 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=11194#comment-29846 I wonder how Haley's Chiefs Bio will read 10 years from now? Hopefuly it will be one of the fastest turn around records with a Super Bowl appearance ending. Go Chiefs! I wonder how Haley’s Chiefs Bio will read 10 years from now? Hopefuly it will be one of the fastest turn around records with a Super Bowl appearance ending.

Go Chiefs!

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