Where I’m Coming From … Monday Cup O’Chiefs

There’s been a lot of chatter in the comments section of this site over the last few weeks as people reacted to what I have had to say about the current situation with the Chiefs.

There’s been a fairly loud minority of folks upset with what I’ve written, feeling like I’ve got some sort of vendetta against Clark Hunt, Scott Pioli and others pulling the strings around the Chiefs facility. There was a sense of “enough already” like it’s become a daily harangue on my part about the powers at Arrowhead Stadium.

I can assure you I have no vendetta, I don’t want to see them spill the football coffee all over their pants and I take no pleasure in reporting when these guys screw things up. Sadly, there’s been far more instances of ineptness, underhanded moves and stretching of the truth than there have been decisions of excellence over the last few months.

Seriously, what positives have been generated out of the Chiefs in the last three months? Think about that for a second. Linebackers Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson went to the Pro Bowl, and . . .

Maybe you think Romeo Crennel is a positive, but there’s no proof of that yet. What the team needs is more talent and you’ve got to roll back to last April’s NFL Draft for the last time the Chiefs added serious athletic ability to the roster. The toxic atmosphere of the organization was revealed in the Kansas City Star story that was read around the NFL and left the Chiefs as a target of ridicule.

None of that is opinion – those are facts, and in some cases the facts have been understated.

I’m not out seeking silliness, poor decisions and bad timing from the Chiefs. As someone who pays attention to what they do, I just have to sit back and let the missteps come flying in. When they stumble, I’m going to write about it. It’s important. There are bunch of folks running the organization that walked through the door and said they had the answers. As it has turned out, they didn’t even know what the questions were.

Much was made three years ago about how the new triumvirate coming in to run the franchise were all in their early 40s, they were all energetic, full of new ideas and ready for prime-time. What the record shows is that Hunt, Pioli and former head coach Todd Haley were all poorly prepared for their new duties. Amazingly, the person who grew into his job the quickest was Haley, who was dispatched in December. Based on the Star story and the book War Games, Pioli was spending time worried about litter, the cost of color copies and turning off lights in the offices than he was about getting prepared for the 2009 NFL Draft. Hunt was cutting employee salaries during the owners’ lockout when there was no economic reason to do so.

Learning on the job was one thing. It’s quite another when all three, along with new team president Mark Donovan and others new to the franchise tried to paint a picture that they were taking over an organization that was dysfunctional, unaccountable and leaderless. Even now, going on four years since the old regime was shown the door, the new folks are still blaming the old folks for their problems in selling tickets, selling club memberships, selling sponsorships and assorted other items in their inventory that have drawn little interest from the public or local companies.

Change is hard, but it’s a fact of life in the world today. When Clark Hunt decided he was going to revamp the Chiefs that was going to mean upheaval, some of it emotional. It’s his right as the leader of the Hunt family to take whatever steps he deemed necessary to make things happen. It would have been a shock if there weren’t major changes.

What’s troublesome and in some cases unforgiveable are the way the changes came down and how some long-time, loyal and dedicated employees were treated. They were demeaned after they walked out the door, their work and efforts ridiculed. Some were charged with a lack of accountability and rumors spread about possible malfeasance at the highest levels of the organization. This smear campaign came out of the top two floors of the Chiefs offices. The same thing happened when Haley fell out of favor and was eventually fired. Whispers, r umors and stories planted with friendly media

Why demean people? All that had to be said was “as an organization we are going in a different direction. Thank you for your efforts and if we can help you in the future, let us know.” Instead the attitude was “you guys are bums … we can get 22 guys off the street and win two games … we can find other people on the street to do your job and do it much better.” Has this storm-trooper attitude produced a better organization, with better results, more fans, more tickets and sponsorships sold? No, no, no, no and no.

I write about the Chiefs. Lately, the tenor of the stories has been negative due to the fact I don’t write fiction. I write fact and the facts show there hasn’t been much positive coming from Hunt-Pioli-Donovan. When there is something good, you’ll read about it here. There’s a player acquisition period coming up with the start of free agency and the NFL Draft – plenty of opportunities for Pioli to make positive news.

That’s up to him.

38 Responses to “Where I’m Coming From … Monday Cup O’Chiefs”

  • February 13, 2012  - Derek says:

    Thank you for your efforts on behalf of those of us who are long distance fans. I appreciate being able to follow my Chiefs through your reasoned and researched analysis and reporting. Please keep it up.

  • February 13, 2012  - RW says:

    No need to explain yourself and the way you report on the Chiefs to me, Bob, some others obviously have much emotional capital and actual cash invested in the team to the point of not believing in what to me is a growing reality.
    In reading this latest report, there is a disturbing comparison to political regimes who blame the outgoing administration for as long as they can to cover for lack of results on their watch.

    That’s NOT leadership in either case. That’s nothing more than CYA and offering up reasons however tepid they may be to justify their phislosophy and, in this case, pacify and keep the fans buying tickets and team merchandise. Clearly, these are dark days for Chiefs fans, at least they are to me.

    That old saying comes to mind: “It ain’t bragging if you’re doing it” is one side of the coin. “It ain’t working if your game is only cheap talk & excuses”, is the other. I’m looking for a breakthrough, a major event or occurence to get this franchise turned around but all the scenarios I’ve conjured in my mind don’t seem realistic.

    As to those who might say something on the order of “If you don’t like it, get out” or words to that effect, I’ll counter with, “I don’t like it and I might get out but on my terms, not yours”. Keep up the good, solid reporting, Bob.

  • February 13, 2012  - Milkman says:

    I hope I’ve never given Bob the impression that I thought his reporting was anything less than professional. I have loved my team since I was 8 years old, and that was a long time ago. Having loved something that long, you can’t help fantasize about Super Bowls, Hall of Fame inductions, all-pro recognitions, etc… Bob does such a great job of reporting the truth that when there is something wrong with my favorite team, as there is now, it interupts those thoughts of Super Bowls and the like and puts a thought in the back of an older fans mind that he may not see that fantasy come true in his lifetime. That is why sometimes I wonder if we need to keep harping on the Chiefs current ineptness. Great reporting Bob, you do your job very well. I guess it’s just wishful thinking at this time on my part that things will get better. I’ve just been following them so long that old habits are hard to break.

  • February 13, 2012  - ED J says:

    Wow Bob you try to somewhat issue appolgy then you’re still doing it. First off 2009 draft were full of bust it just wasn’t good draft. You look at guys taken in that draft none of them drafted in top 15 in 1st round are panning out. Sanchez looks like bad pick. Most fans wanted Curry he still isn’t living up to his draft status and was traded to Raiders. I mean serously!! The book is call “War Room” and in book it point out Pioli attention to detail. That’s all. He pointed out how most Chiefs current employees spent more time wasting money than did during their jobs. Just because you hold a job 20yrs doesn’t give you the right to have sense of entitlement to keep it. Ala Carl Peterson. He held his job 20yrs and how many Super Bowls did he win. 3 playoff wins during that span. I mean REALLY!! That wouldn’t fly anywhere else but here. And now Clark Hunt is setting standard. That kind of level of futility isn’t acceptable anymore. I appplaud him for that because his dad wouldn’t do so. Which because obvious with this stupid article it was problem. Their is no toxic around Chiefs organization only proof alot employees felt like Chiefs owed them something because they been on job so long. Production buys you more time on job not yrs in. That’s bottom line of any business. IF NFL or FBI isn’t look into the situation how can you say its facts. Bugging phones is federal offense and its not being looked into. So that all I need to know about this story being true. Bottom line is you do have ax to grind against Pioli but I just don’t want it constantly spilling out in your reporting on Chiefs.

  • February 13, 2012  - Mike says:

    To ED J: What did you just say? I don’t have a clue.

  • February 13, 2012  - Petey says:

    First, AMEN, Bob…thanks for finally addressing it.

    Second, edj…there was NO apology in Bob’s writing, none, not a hint, nada, zip. Why? BECAUSE HE DOESN’T OWE US ONE AND ONE IS NOT WARRANTED. You say “Their is no toxic around Chiefs organization..”, are you friggin’ kidding me? That’s all this organizatioin is right now and it has become a laughing stock. We are being used in the same breath as the oakland raiders and it’s embarrassing. The only cure for this and the only way that Pioli being a bully will be justified is if we win consistantly and then nothing else matters. But until then the toxicity around the Chiefs is fair game.

    Couple of other things….edj 1). you have gotten your $25 worth as you can now read these articles for free, so please don’t feel like you didn’t get your money’s worth if you decide to leave and 2)when are you starting your OWN website (I’d like to know so I can join and keep telling you what I think you should write.)

  • February 13, 2012  - Tenand6 says:

    The only reason I read anything about the Chiefs these days is to find evidence that they are learning from their considerable mistakes. Bob’s pieces have helped explain what we can’t possibly know. We hear about tension, we read about lawsuits, we learn things in “War Room” that reveal a GM wasting time and teaching counter-productive lessons and we see a Coach of the Year sent packing without pay…who is then snapped up by an organization Clark Hunt says he wants to emulate.

    What’s happening at One Arrowhead Drive isn’t pretty, but neither is losing. There are reasons for this and I, for one, want to know it all. My attitude is if it is all exposed it gives the Chiefs the opportunity to face reality and change.

    Gretz and Babb are doing the Chiefs a huge favor.

    I hope Hunt/Pioli look at themselves as critically as they do players, former coaches, scouts and administrative types. That’s the only way progress will be made. Humility allows exacting self-examination. Arrogance skips that necessary step to self-improvement.

    We have a very arrogant organization and the way I see it, the best way for them to face reality is to have the media report what’s going on.

    Without articles like this, I’m no longer a Chiefs fan. I want to know what they are doing to improve even if I don’t approve. As a former associate of mine likes to say, if you are looking for ways to improve: “Don’t expect, inspect.”

    Keep ‘em coming, Bob. We’re adults who aren’t afraid of inspections.

  • February 13, 2012  - Jeff says:

    Bob, i think the complainers on here are people from 1 Arrowhead Drive paid to or scared into posting here to make you look bad!

    Honestly though, we pay to have access to read what you write and I feel, negative or positive, it is our right as customers to say what we want!

    I enjoy what you post on your site, that’s why I’m a member! Please keep up the good work and don’t let a few negative nellies stop you from “bringing it!”



  • February 13, 2012  - Chuck says:

    BOB; Iam with you 100% brother. You speak the truth and some just can’t handle the truth. Keep writing. You are doing fine. The Chiefs every year are always way under the cap. Which I find frustrating. I asked myself lately “if we had everybody healthy, could we have beaten the Giants in the Super Bowl”???? I think you know the answer. You are doing a great job.

  • February 13, 2012  - el cid says:

    Many have already said it here but, for me, why even bother? At least 3 here and one guy on another site KCmike, are so wowwed by all Pioli, they have lost their grip on reality. Frankly, it I wonder how they get to work every morning.

    If I was a paranoid type, I would suggest they are Chief employees. But I hope they return to Chiefs home site, but doubt we can lose them that easily.

    For me the bottom line is, has Clark, Pioli, and coaches done all they could to make the Chiefs the best they can be? Nope, and that is called “failing”. Being a monetary success is not the definition of a football success. Right now, today, after 3 years, the Chiefs should have been better with more homegrown talent, a team who cannot be overlooked every sunday. And they are not.

  • February 13, 2012  - Steve says:

    Bob, this is the first time I have ever posted on here, and my be my last. The only reason I pay for a new site (which is this one and only site out of the millions on the internet) is because, I feel you give the fans the closest unbiased news about my favorite team, the CHIEFS. I don’t want to hear fans blogs, who are 90% negative and really don’t know what they are talking about. I don’t want to read ESPN who have to know about all 32 teams and don’t concentrate on any one unless there is drama. I want real news about my team. My favorite part of this site is training camp time. I love reading about who is doing what in practices during camp.

    I paid for the predraft deal so I could get it all. Hopefully, you will offer it again. Then I will pay for only one website out of the millions again.

  • February 13, 2012  - Petey says:

    Well said Tenand6…much better than I could have.

  • February 13, 2012  - brainsmasher says:

    The cold hard facts are that the Chief’s core of really good players was drafted under Carl and Herm; and Herm did Chief’s Nation a huge favor by cleaning out the dead wood from the previous regime that didn’t win a playoff game. It cost Herm and Carl their jobs.

    The new regime came in blabbering about the Patriot’s way and boasting that they could win more than 2 games with 22 guys off the street. They flat out cut 3 talented players without getting any kind of compensation. I understand letting go of Larry Johnson; but the two safties they let go are playing significant minutes for other teams. Oh yeah, they let Brian Waters go, too.

    I’ll give credit where it is due. Haley seems to have gotten the best out of Bowe and Derrick Johnson; and Pioli did a good thing when he brought in Charlie Weiss. However, I thought at the time that it was a big mistake to hire a head coach who never played the game at any level and I was proven correct; but I will give Pioli and Clark credit for realizing their mistake and fixing it even if they did it badly.

    Without Charlie Weiss and Kurt Warner Haley hasn’t shown me that he is a competent offensive coordinator.

  • February 13, 2012  - Blake says:

    I completely agree with ED J. Bob I appreciate you writing this piece, I was wondering when it was going to happen. Maybe you do feel that you are just writing about what is going on but I don’t believe a cent of it. You can say that the KC Star story is facts! Because it isn’t, it is a federal offense and the NFL is not even looking into it. Maybe you truly believe it is but I don’t. The book is called “WAR ROOM” if you cant even get the title right then you obviously never read the book and can’t comment on what was in it. It is a great book and shows that Pioli pays attention to even the smallest detail.

    You know how I know that you really don’t like Pioli anymore? It is not just one story, it is all of the that you have wrote and I remember when you gave Pioli a pass for the 09 draft. The 2010 draft was great, and after that was when you started to say that Peterson had better drafts than Pioli and gave us a link to someone else’s story about it. I think if anything one of the best things that Pioli is good at is draft time. Yes the 09 draft wasn’t good but most teams weren’t. We had a great 2010 draft, and what could be another great 2011 draft.

    You talk about positives, and say we cant use Romeo as one, I disagree. Romeo almost went 3-0 as Head coach, kept us in every game, and had a great amount of respect from the players, more so that Haley ever had. Even if Pioli is a great GM and Haley is a great Head coach, it doesn’t matter the two were not a fit and so it is a positive that they split and Pioli got a guy that he actually could work with. I did like Haley but he does not work well with others if he did then he would have got more interest as an OC than just the Steelers and maybe the Jets!

    Another positive is Brian Daboll, might not look great but I guarantee you that anything is better than the piece of crap Haley but at OC in Muir. I have watched a lot of Dolphins tape and have come to turns that I really like the guy, he is aggressive, unpredictable, and got the most out of his players. Another positive would be Pioli coming out and saying that Cassel will not be given the starting job and will have to compete for it. Another would be him saying the offensive line will get an upgrade this offseason! I see many positives with this team moving forward. Many fans get caught up with the drama and lies and stories that make headlines just for the attention but I dont.

    Also I am not working for Pioli or the Chiefs as some of the fans on here have sayed. It would be my dream to work for them! I doubt I ever get that chance. Why is it so crazy that if someone has a different opinion from you, that you have to say that they work for Pioli? That is just dumb….

  • February 13, 2012  - George says:

    Bob, appreciate the information you provide on the Chiefs. After watching Clark’s 6 year run as head chief I’m pretty much convinced we will have many seasons of mediocracy.

    At first I thought Clark wasn’t fully funding player payroll because the Hunt family was putting money into the stadium renovation. Now more years have passed and he has further cut expenses by cleaning out all non-football related staff while still keeping player salaries well below the agreed spending cap. The organization has also tried to generate more profits by asking firemen (I think it was) to come to a game to honor 9/11 but wanted them to pay for their seats. Also, tried to take away staffs privilege to see games free, but backed down over the bad PR. Clark’s main goal is keeping expenses low and profits high.

    I see no reason to think that Clark truly cares about winning a Super Bowl. He will put out a product that generates yearly profits. If Pioli or any other GM can get the team into the playoffs while keeping expenses low (goal lowest in the league) then that will just mean higher profits.

  • February 13, 2012  - Johnfromwichita says:

    Pssst, Blake, now would be an excellent time to ask Pioli for a raise. Good luck.

  • February 13, 2012  - RedandGold says:

    February 13, 2012 – Mike says:
    To ED J: What did you just say? I don’t have a clue.

    That is funny! Ed’s constant positivism in the face of ineptitude is very irritating and doesn’t make a lot of sense some times. He seems to prefer the ostrich’s posture over the truth. Things are so bad at Arrowhead Drive that we don’t even hear from Rin Tin Tin anymore.

    Bob, PLEASE continue to write it how you see it. That is the reason most of us check your blog several times a day. I trust your fact based opinions. I believe you when you say that the cry babies are of the minority but they are LOUD and it is hard to ignore them. I am also glad you are not offering apologies on your reporting. I am looking forward to the upcoming draft prospect reports. BUT if Pioli pulls another bonehead move, write about it. Thanks,

  • February 13, 2012  - Craig says:

    Hi Bob,
    Great Post as always. Losing is hard. We all thought the Chiefs had turned the corner in 2010 only to be fooled. There is alot of finger pointing going on and some rightfully so. As a retired military man, I know leadership starts at the top along with accountability. You can blame the players or the lack of overall talent, but someone brought them here and it wasn’t of their own doing. Pioli and Hunt have the final say in all matters Arrowhead and that as in the words of Harry Truman, ” the buck stops here”. Go Chiefs.

  • February 13, 2012  - collin ryan says:

    Bob, you could not put it any better than that this football team is a mess still.I was excited four years ago when we hired Pioli,but we have found out the master mind in New England is still there,I know what people are going to say,ya they just got beat again in a superbowl.hell as a fan my dream is to win a playoff game,I think kansas city would throw a parade if the Chiefs could do that.but we will see what they do with all this money they have.If they do not spend this year my tickets are going back,and I think alot of people will do the same,No one that writes Bob are as honest as you are,keep it up,thanks Collin.

  • February 13, 2012  - Blake says:

    Johnfromwichita, haha good one….

    not really, if I worked for Pioli why would I need to bobgretz.com?

    yeah doesn’t make any sense does it.

  • February 13, 2012  - Johnfromwichita says:

    Blake, if you did work for Pioli, and you brought it up, he’d probably have fired you by now so chill. After thinking on this mess I’ve decided that I have been a fan far too long to get down now. Has the owner and GM done a good job? Oh hell no. Can they get better? Maybe. Do they want to do better? That scares me. It was a not a very good year. 7-9. But being at the the Green Bay game made up for sitting thru the Buffalo game. For next year…I’m hopeful. Like always.

  • February 13, 2012  - Blake says:

    lol John, you too funny. Hey you know, maybe you worked for Carl Peterson because you hate Scott Pioli. Look at that the tables are turned. Just because I like Pioli does not mean I work for him. You people are delusional…

  • February 13, 2012  - Jimbo says:

    I have always respected Bob’s opinions. Agree or disagree I’m always back for more. The goings on at 1 Arrowhead Drive lately are a distraction and somewhat of a concern. We all are clueless as to the actual facts or fiction that we read about.

    The Chiefs are in fact a team on the rise whether Pioli or Hunt are directly responsible. Carl & Herm are gone, leaving us the fruits of the youth movement we are enjoying today. The fact is the Chiefs have had 2 out of 3 potentially good drafts since Pioli was hired. The fact is the Chiefs are arguably 3 or 4 players away from greatness (A playoff win would be considered great) The fact is we need a franchise QB better than what we have now or had since Trent Green went down.

    The Chiefs Organization @ 1 Arrowhead Drive(if we believe what we read)appears to be in total chaos & dissaray. Current employees are walking on pins & needles just happy to have a job. Nobody is happy there including the janitor who carelessly leaves gum wrappers on the floor. I’m sorry, I’m not buying it. Certainly there are some internal challenges & changes that are being made and some people have a tough time adjusting to those changes. Example: I like Diet Coke, my wife likes Diet Pepsi. My wife tells me she’s not buying Diet Coke no more & I need to adjust and start liking Diet Pepsi. This kinda pisses me off cuz I been drinking Diet Coke for 25 years. She says if I don’t like it she will divorce me and I can go find me a Diet Coke loving women. Either I decide to enjoy Diet Pepsi to keep my wife (and grumble to all my friends) or I decide to secretly buy my Diet Coke behind her back.(and grumble to all my friends) or I find a new wife and be free…free at last. My choice is simple, I decide to keep my wife and pretend Diet Pepsi is great.

    We can all agree that many things in the Chiefs organization need to be addressed & fixed. Sooner rather than later and most importantly without all the drama, picking sides or choosing one opinion over another.
    Go Chiefs.

  • February 13, 2012  - Danny Wehner says:

    Great Read BOb. I love your website and there are always gonna be people who disagree with you. They’ll back a coach that is doing poorly then back the decision to fire him once its done. If Pioli gets canned it will be the same way.

  • February 13, 2012  - Niblick says:

    Jimbo- Great post. Always the voice of reason. I couldn’t agree more.

  • February 13, 2012  - Ken says:

    Bob, I appreciate many of the informative articles that you have written about the Chiefs over the past years. I am not an apologist for the Chiefs and easily find fault with decisions and actions by Hunt and Pioli. Please understand that I am not opposed to criticism of the Chiefs management or players. But with all due respect, the perception I am starting to have during the past months is that you may have a personal ax to grind with the top Chiefs management. I subscribe to your site because I want to hear insightful analysis of the current Chief’s players/coaches and opponents. This includes both good and bad, but it seems that so many of your articles rehash the same criticism over and over again to the extreme, as if you want to keep beating a dead horse. This is why I am left with the impression that journalism has given way to something more personal and that you may have lost your ability to be objective and balanced in your appraisal of the Chiefs.

    I have found that every story, whether it is about sports or some other topic, often has two sides. I feel most informed when I read an article where the writer presents both sides in an even handed manner allowing me to come to my own conclusions about how grievous an action or statement is that has been made by a particular party. Unfortunately in the world of journalism I find this type of reporting more and more difficult to find.

  • February 13, 2012  - ED J says:

    ONe I am seeing after reading few others blog how much of tool most of you guys are. I mean really have your own mind. Lets evaluate facts and not rumors. First off never heard anyone in National media compare Chiefs to the Raiders. For one their isn’t anyone in NFL investigating the story. So how can we call that fact if Roger Goodell isn’t fining the team. Next Bob mention the 2009 draft. Lets look at just 1st round

    2009 draft
    1st pick Stafford looks solid pick looks like worth #1 pick. 2nd pick Jason Smith most people already writing off as bust he’s been playing both tackle positions neither are helping. #3 Tjax most Chiefs fans say he’s bust but been productive last 2 seasons. #4 Aaron Curry pick most people thought we would get so far bust now plays for Raiders #5 Sanchez so far not looking good road good defense to AFC championship games showed some flashes but is step closer to being out of NY than he is to being long term answer. #6 Andre Smith up and down career in Cincy so far hasn’t been nearly healthy or consistent enough to be franchise left tackle. #7 Haywood Bay looks more like bust right now showed some flash this yr nothing worthy of #7 pick in 1st round. #8 Eugenne Monroe been solid but still hasn’t live up to draft status. #9 BJ Raji definately living up to his draft status. #10 Crabtree once again like Haywood Bay looks more like #2 receiver than #1. Pick #11 Aaron Maybin bust no longer even with Bills. #12 Knoshown Moreno Bust getting out played by McGahee who is on downside of his career also can’t stay healthy. I could go on but why bother you see the point.

    So bottom line is 2009 draft just wasn’t that good lets not blame Pioli for that. Then why don’t we talk about what he has done. 2010 draft most people graded us a A and at least somewhere between B to and A grade for 2011 draft. I’ll take 2 out of 3 good drafts any day of the week. Peterson went yrs without solid draft up until 2008. Which put his record on draft 1 out of 20.

    As for enviornment at Arrowhead drive consider source. Coming from bunch of people who got canned. Which further proves this sense of entitlement because they been on job for 20 plus yrs or so. Don’t hear any complaints from people who currently have a job. Other than that please explain toxic enviornment. Haley getting fired justified he acted on sideline too much like child than a mature adult. And I’m Haley guy but clearly Jets game was over the line.

    As for what I’m saying I’ll take Pioli way of thinking over 20yrs or so Carl was in charge running things. How many playoff did we win under Carl Peterson his reign? 3 playoff wins 2 were in the same season 1994. How many Super Bowls did Peterson win as Chiefs GM?? 0 So there’s my point what I’m saying I’ll take Patriots way or Pioli’s way over what we’ve been doing last 42yrs as a franchise. Because during that span we’ve won 0 Super Bowls. Had 0 Super Bowl appearances so anything right now is better than what we’ve been doing last 42yrs.

  • February 13, 2012  - Petey says:

    edj….ah, when you can’t bully the masses into seeing your way, you resort to name calling…classy, really classy. I think Bob just basically told you that he really doesn’t care if you don’t like what he’s saying and after reading all of these comments, not to many do. You keep referring to Peterson, please tell us what he has to do with anything. Here’s a hint, that regime is done and gone and no one is asking to turn back the pages. The ‘Patriots Way’ that you are referring to is to get lucky on drafting Tom Brady and go from there, and I don’t see Brady walking thru the door. If Belicheck didn’t have old Tom, he’d have probably been run out of NE years ago because he’s a bully and a control freak too. Right now, Pioli is a failure and I hope as a fan that it turns around and he makes me eat crow, but right now he is on his second head coach, and he probably isn’t getting a third. We are closer towards starting all over again in 2-3 years then we are to getting to the super bowl.

    So back to the original point…you are pretty much outnumbered 10-1 on your comments about this site and Bob so you should probably ask yourself again who the tool is. Stay classy edj.

  • February 13, 2012  - Blake says:

    Actually Petey he isn’t, I completely agree with everything that Ed J said. How can you say Pioli is a failure when he has had 2 good drafts in a row. Free Agency isn’t the way he wants to build his team. Pioli is thinking down the road, he is hoping to hit on most of his picks and using all this money to re-sign players like Berry, McCluster, Arenas, Asamoah, Lewis etc….

    Who cares if he is outnumbered with the fans on here, that doesn’t mean crap. It doesn’t mean that they are right….

  • February 13, 2012  - Petey says:

    Congrats Blake, between you edj and cy, that makes three of you.

    I guess I’m wrong…Pioli isn’t on his second coach, oh wait, yes he is. He hasn’t been a success at this point, so what would you call it? It ain’t a success. Look, I want Pioli to succeed as much as anyone, but right now I’m going to call it like I see it and that is that our team is a mess. It’s not as big of a mess as it was w/ Herm and Carl, but it’s still a mess.

    Look at that..you did all that without resorting to name calling or threatening to leave if Bob doesn’t write the stories you want him to…you have that over edj, congrats.

  • February 13, 2012  - KC_Guy says:

    Bob, just wonder whether there har been any reaction by the Chiefs to the Babb article. Yet have to see anything but a short statement that more or less called it all bogus. However, didn’t read anything from Babb since then (can’t access twitter from where I am right now though – really enjoying the “clean internet” without social media). Did he show up for (was he admitted to) the Crennel & Daboll pressers?

  • February 13, 2012  - txchief says:

    Unfortunately, Mr. Gretz does not completely understand his critics on this site. While I certainly appreciate his opinions, I do not agree with all of them. Perhaps the greatest annoyance in reading many of the stories on this site is the bemoaning of those let go by the organization over and over and over and over and over and over again. One would gather from articles on bobgretz.com that the Chiefs organization should be some sort of socialist worker’s paradise, where his chums were entitled to keep their positions forever just by virtue of of the fact that they at one time occupied space in the building.

    As a longtime fan of the team, I believe that there is much to criticize with previous management of the team and those that Lamar chose to work for him. I fear that Lamar was such a nice fellow that he could not see the shortcomings of those advising him and running his organization.

    Here are a couple of examples:

    1. Jack Steadman may have done more to run the Chiefs franchise into the ground than anyone else. He was with the team since the beginning, and as he rose through the organization the chiefs steadily deteriorated. His first atrocity may have been convincing Lamar to fire Hank Stram after the ’74 season. Stram delivered the only Chiefs Superbowl, and got the team to the the big game twice. Hank delivered 120 wins before he was cut loose. Steadman was in position of power through the worst years of the franchise (1972-1985) when the Chief had no playoff apearances whatsoever. There were no divisional titles until 1993 and only three playoff victories during his long tenure as the Chiefs GM. Steadman’s drafts were often miserable. Somehow, he managed to pick the worst QB available in the 1983 draft, “Turd” Blackledge, passing on Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Tony Eason and Ken O’Brien. As well, he reportedly used his position with the team to behave as an irresponsible playboy for decades.

    2. Carl Peterson started with a flash in Kansas City, but he trailed off seriously before he was replaced by Scott Pioli. Early on, he brought in Marty Schottenheimer, Joe Montana and Marcus Allen. He drafted DT and Neil Smith but he whiffed on many first rounders including Percy Snow, Greg Hill, Trezelle Jenkins, Victor Riley, Sylvester Morris, Ryan Sims and (arguably) Glenn Dorsey. There were only twelve playoff games with three victories in his 20 years at the helm. In the last fifteen years of his time as GM, he tallied ZERO playoff wins. He ran off Marty Schottenheimer when Marty asked for a larger role in player acquisition, after Marty had delivered 101 wins and three divisional titles in ten years.

    In contrast to Mr. Gretz, I view the firing of Haley as an attempt to correct a mistake, not some sort of misguided tragedy. And although Bob oft complains that the Chiefs need consistency and continuity, I contend that keeping Crennel as the head coach was an attempt to provide just that consistency. Romeo has also commanded more respect from the players and demonstrated better game planning in three games than Todd Haley had in three seasons. In terms of demeaning others, that seems to be an attribute of Todd Haley, not Scott Pioli or Clark Hunt. The author of this site should not heap too much on young Hunt and Scott Pioli so soon. They have only really had three full seasons together with the team.

    A reduction in the consistently negative metaphors used to describe the Chiefs organization on this site would be a pleasant change. And although Bob states he doesn’t write fiction, there is frequently more rhetoric than fact in the articles on this site.

  • February 13, 2012  - johnfromfairfax says:

    I’m late to the party but I think most probably know where I stand on this. The whole purpose of a blog is to share opinions and everybody is entitled to theirs (even ED J and even if I’m having a hard time following his point despite my not having had anything to drink). That’s true for others I don’t always or never agree with. Nobody is compelled to pay their subscription and can opt out of any conversation or membership at any time. I’m like a lot of the old timers who’ve loved the Chiefs since I was a little boy, which unfortunately was a long time ago. I’ve watched the changes over the years and recently have been troubled by the direction and decision making of the leaders of the organization to the point I’ve questioned my loyalty to my beloved team. However, I’ve been a fan my whole life and decided that I’m not about to stop now. This is Bob’s site and he’s entitled to his point of view and has additional information and sources around the league that we don’t to inform his opinions. I don’t always agree with him but do not question his integrity as a journalist. Everybody has a bias and point of view but the name calling and personal attacks by some are childish and should stop. They’re unnecessary and add nothing to the discourse. It’s one of the reasons Rin Tin Tin and his hypoxic rants were banned from the site. P.S. The threats of removing yourself from the site are horse sh** as well. If you don’t like the reporting just remove yourself. You will probably be missed less than you think and I’m sure Bob can survive without the $25 dollar a year salary you pay him. Keep it coming Bob. You are a reasoned and well informed voice in the black box vacuum that serves as Chiefs public information these days.

  • February 13, 2012  - Blake says:

    Petey, I am not going to be name calling, we are all on the same team here. We all want the Chiefs to have success, we all just have different opinions of how that is going to happen. I think firing Haley was the right thing. Haley didn’t like Pioli and Pioli didn’t like Haley. It was the right decision to move on and continue the plan that Pioli has in place(Yes I think he does have a plan even though some Chiefs fans don’t think he does). I think you will see the Chiefs get better and better every year, just think what this past season would have been like if there was no lockout. Berry, Charles, and Moeaki probably would not have been injured. KC would have easily won the division and made the playoffs. I see us doing good things under Pioli, I don’t see the Chiefs as dysfunctional as Bob says. Did Pioli fire some long time employees? Yes he did, but I think that many of the employees were lazy and had become way to comfortable with their jobs. Pioli came in and provided a spark and got employees that wanted to be here and were hard workers.

    txchief, I couldn’t have said it better myself. I completely agree!

  • February 14, 2012  - Petey says:

    And I do appreciate that Blake. I guess why I get so worked up about edj’s comments (and I’m normally a pretty easy going guy) is not that he disagrees with Bob, because we all have our own opinions, it’s that he keeps threatening to leave if Bob doesn’t change the tone or topics of his posts…on his site. I guess I’ve always been of the opinion that if you don’t like the programming on a certain channel, stop watching that channel.
    Back to football. I really, really hope that Pioli has this ship heading in the right direction, because as of right now it doesn’t feel like it to me. I don’t disagree that the Haley firing was the right thing…he probably needed to go, but the reality is right now that we are at a crossroad with Pioli and depending what happens in the next two years, he could be gone and we are starting over with a new GM and a new HC and that is disappointing. I’m 40 years old and have never seen my team win the AFC championship, let alone a Super Bowl and the prospects for the near future don’t look promising to me…again, I hope I’m wrong.

  • February 14, 2012  - ED J says:

    My thing is Pioli brought 3 Super Bowl titles to New England. We haven’t had GM with those kind of credentials in history of this organization at least not since Hank STram days. Pats hasn’t won Super Bowl since. Say what you want he drafted Tom Brady. So give the guy credit for that how are you going to point at guys like TJax as draft failures but don’t give Pioli credit for drafting guys like Eric Berry or Tom Brady etc. Bottom line 3yrs isn’t nearly enough time to judge Pioli as success or faliure in KC. I trust this guy knows what he’s doing over any fans or media. Alot of you saying Pioli’s way won’t succeed will see I may choose come back here at end of next season just to see how many Pioli bashers are still going to be around at end of season or even how Bob’s going to try slight Pioli and Hunt of any future Chiefs success. Last one of you guys mention he owes Brady for his success. Well wasn’t he the one that drafted Tom Brady. How many GM’s have success without drafting or finding franchise QB. So to say he only had success because of Brady is preety stupid seeing you need to draft or bring in a franchise level QB to be successful that’s part of the process. And that’s part of Pioli’s job is to find that franchise guy.

  • February 14, 2012  - cychief24 says:

    #1-The guy that said he could win 2 games with players off the street was your Haley.
    #2-You’re too good of a reporter to get the name of the book wrong.
    #3-I agree with some about beating the dead horse. I wish we could read more about personnel moves and less about non-football employees. I’m glad to see some of those Monday after avoiding the site for a couple days. I hope you keep that up.
    Go Chiefs!

  • February 14, 2012  - rufus says:

    thx 4 being honest, Bob. I appreciate the reports you file and I share your view. While I felt Haley used scrutiny ploys in the beginning, it appears now he was the only one of the four men who moved on from those initial tactics.

    I’m also pretty sure the folks at 1 arrowhead are feeling the heat. This coming season should be very interesting and yes, I’m ready for it too.

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