Fans jus got to have patience.

Just to clarify, Jim…they said the “house arrest” would not affect his “job”. So that would not keep him from playing.

I have to say I’ve enjoyed this afternoon. Who would have thought that the two of us could agree on anything? I believe that might be a sign of the Apocalypse.

Four down one to go to get to eighty.

The unfortunate:

Long snapper Thomas Gafford, defensive tackle T.J. Jackson, wide receiver C.J. Jones and linebacker Darrell Robertson.

Hey, did you notice that Robertson & Jones – former Patriot Way men – were among the released/

“Any 22″ you said…right check?

Herm & Rin be laughin’ are heads off – like this:

ah, ah, ah-hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

heh heh heh…tee hee

T.J. Jackson was the only player who was with the team last season appearing in nine games.

This pushes the Chiefs down to 81 players on the roster. The team is allowed to bring in 80 to training camp.

Who will be the last one to be cut?

Oft, I’m convinced he still doesn’t!

- speaking of busts…luck nee fate nee timing has as much to do with life as anything. As the French/Romanian Cioran has said: “I’m (life) is just an accident- why take it all so seriously?”

As regards Steve Fuller, former 49ers Head Coach Bill Walsh said he would’ve drafted Fuller with the Niners’ #1 pick in ‘79…as the Chiefs took Fuller ahead of SF, Walsh ended up settling for some slob named Joe Montana in round #3… fate.

And accompli? That came again to roost (albeit not in KC) 4 years after when QB Blackledge was selected by the Chiefs & MIA ’settled’ for a QB named…Dan Marino, end of round #1.

Somebody ‘up there’ just didn’t like the Chiefs…

hee, tee hee

“Rin”

- yes, what is it now?

“likes gin.”

- no, Rin is more of a ‘Liquor’ in the front & a ‘Poker’ in the rear man- appears that you be the ‘rummy’ as twere…

“I mentioned him mostly as a joke”

- laugh? Rin thought He’d die!

“I wanted to see what sort of reaction it would arouse rom the All-Knowing King of Chiefs Rosters.”

- I trust you had your shades drawn & had ample cleanup materials on hand…

“I tend to agree with you on the matter of Wright, #17. He could best be described as a “one year wonder” and more accurately labeled, as you put it, a “bust”.”

- uh huh…

“I’m curious-as to your opinion”

- what have you to offer Rin for said – your life or your ‘fake’ Rin termination papers? Or you can just stop drooling…which of those three will it be?

“(stop drooling!)”

- fine… continue.

“on the late Joe Delaney.”

- yes, what about him?

“Most Chiefs fans hold a place in their heart for him, due to the heroic way he passed. My question is this: do you think he would have amounted to much if he had lived or would he have been an afterhthought in the annals that are “The Mediocrity of the 1980’s Kansas City Chiefs”?”

- he had a detached retina or two as I recall, and his second season was but a shadow of his first…then tragically he passed away.

Who can say what might have been…no less than NFL Hall of Fame DE Elvin Bethea (among others) said of Delaney after Joe torched HOU’s Oilers for 193 yards in a 1981 game (which set a then Chiefs record by besting Mike Garrett’s 192 set 154 years earlier):

Bethea -

“I’ve played against the best”“O.J. Simpson, Gale Sayers, Walter Payton and (Delaney) ranks right up there with them. He is great with a capital G.”

I think (injury aside) his speed would have kept him in good stead a few years – but the pounding would have taken its toll on his less than 190 lb body (even Okoye slowed down noticeably from his first couple of seasons after he got hit so often & carried so many times – ditto for Larry Johnson
People may not remember how fast Okoye was – very fast as a rookie – he broke off a 43 yard TD run against SD on a cutback to the right side of the Chiefs offensive line where he just exploded down the field.)

My best guess Delaney would have been in the same Garrett and Haynes RB discussion, not as good as Holmes but on par with Okoye, Podolak, Allen etc.

I still recall the game Delaney went 81 yards for a TD against DEN – he had another 70 yard TD run called back in that game by a phantom penalty – so maybe just maybe Joe would have been another Gale Sayers.

We shall e’er & always wonder as we wander…

Thanks! Yeah, there I wanted to put Kevin “The Rock” Ross on that list too, but you have to cut off somewhere!

1960’s WR Charley Taylor of the WASH Redskins was a hotdog dripping with mustard choosing to ‘pose’ aft every TD he scored; later Billy ‘White Shoes’ Johnson brought his low IQ into the discussion… Icky ‘Shuffle’ Woods and his RLS; the ‘Fun Bunch’ in Washington… vomit bag please.

Still, I believe it was former (thence) NYG Homer Jones was the first attributed ’spiker’ a ball in the endzone aft scoring a TD, about 1965; that he chose to do against a non-descript opponent was a good thing for he – had he chose to do so in the vicinity of a Nitschke or Butkus would his career have died on the spot rather than merely tailing off severely as it did of its own accord.

Otis Taylor threw a ball into the stands in DEN in 1966 vs the Broncos after scoring a TD, this before $aving tacks such as nets for FGs and too other deterrents to I-sm were implemented (fines for unsportsmanlike conduct, team fines like OT got from Hank for throwing that ball into the stands, etc.)

It just grew and grew until we have the morass we have today (though to the NFL’s credit they are doing their best appears to get the showboaters attention$.)

Tony Gonzalez and his sissy goal post dunk, Chris Johnson of the Titans & his endzone drumming- one no better than the other, in my purview.

That football is not ‘that’ type of entertainment such as Johnson’s/others and that the NFL agrees with Rin pleases He to no end.

Oh, and while were at it: those folks who stand up at Arrowhead and block others view: they have heard the wrath of Rin more than once afore, and shall continue to whenever Rin is in the house!

DOWN IN FRONT! Akak, sitdownorelseiwillsityoudown.

I tend to agree with you on the matter of Wright, #17. He could best be described as a “one year wonder” and more accurately labeled, as you put it, a “bust”.

I’m curious-as to your opinion (stop drooling!) on the late Joe Delaney. Most Chiefs fans hold a place in their heart for him, due to the heroic way he passed. My question is this: do you think he would have amounted to much if he had lived or would he have been an afterhthought in the annals that are “The Mediocrity of the 1980’s Kansas City Chiefs”?

“Rin”

- yes, what is it now?

“I didn’t see Elmo Wright on your list.”

- the Lasik appears to have been a success…

“No love for “touchdown dance innovator”?”

- Elmo Wright was a zero…he scored 6 TDS in 4 years with the Chiefs, and he scored 0 more TDS in another season with two other teams (3 of his KC TDs came as a rookie in 1971.)

He is one of the biggest busts in Chiefs history – perhaps only a Trezelle Jenkins or Gene Trosch is truly more deserving (course we musn’t forget Ryan Sims and some of his DL brethren these last few annums nee half decade or so.)

Wright had little speed, little heart and far too little talent to ply a ‘dance’ more than he did. He was drafted to ‘replace’ Otis Taylor – as such how’d he do in your opinion, ‘fake’ Rin?

I could tell you some things about Elmo (as some other Chiefs thence that may have impacted their performance) but will not of course in deference to good taste, & not being accused of slandering the journeyman types that have passed thru KC… again, you understand ‘fake’ Rin.

I didn’t see Elmo Wright on your list. No love for “touchdown dance innovator”?

Hey Rin. “Emperor” is spelled with one “O”, not two.

Rin said: “exactly – which is why I spelled it as such.”

Still having trouble nee can’t read between those lines? Allow Rin to help you knave: Rin writes as He pleases – for Himself.

He has said this many times afore; if Rin wanted to write as the common rabble do – i.e., you and the rest – wouldst He do so. That is the ‘point’ you miss – yet again – ‘when’ & ‘how’ Rin scribes it, it be nee becomes the proper.

Rin is not common and knows naught rabble…leave that to the little people…don’t you know.

Go now, and sin no more…

Any such ‘poll’ is subjective & completely bias-based…there is just no other way to honestly describe said. That human beings – any/all – to include the NFL’s Hall of Fame voters cannot even agree be proof enough.

Too, coaches, players, voters, writers, fans etc. are no different or better. The Pro Bowel as the MLB All Star voting are two more examples of any integrity gone south.

That said here are Rin’s All Time Chiefs, order of ‘greatness’ if you will which is a catch-all really for a many splendored descript of who was most important to the team, based on a position and their impact. I will keep it to a Top 5-10 list or otherwise wouldst be here typing until Chiefs fire ‘check’ & ’search’ before the 2010 season.

Note that some of the guys Rin ranks higher than their NFL HOF teammates due to the non-HOFers having been slighted to date by their omission from Canton:

TOP 5

QB Dawson
DT Buchanan
LB Bell
WR Taylor
OT Tyrer / FS Robinson (TIE)

NEXT 5

PK Stenerud
CB Thomas / OG Budde (TIE)
P Wilson
TE Arbanas
DE Mays / LB & C Holub

Best at each position might be a better idea SG: all time Chiefs 1960-2009 include -

QB Dawson
WR Taylor / HM: Carson/Marshall
WR Burford / Paige (TIE)
TE Arbanas / HM: Gonzalez
OT Tyrer / HM: Roaf
OT Hill
OG Budde
OG Shields / HM: Moorman
C Rudnay
HB Holmes / HM: Garrett
FB McClinton / HM: Richardson

PK Stenerud / HM: Lowery
P Wilson
KR Noland ‘Supergnat’ Smith / HM: Hall

DE Mays / HM: Still
DE Brown /
DT Buchanan
DT Culp / HM: Maas
LB Lynch / HM: Thomas
LB Lanier / HM: Headrick
LB Bell
CB Thomas / HM: Ross
FS Robinson / HM: Cherry
SS Kearney
CB Lewis / HM: Marsalis

Coach Hank Stram / HM: Herm Edwards

“The right 53 = any 22 will do; “˜check’ that – the Emporer has no clothes on”

Proofread, before flying off the handle, oh King of Crap.

“Rin”

- yes, what is it now?

“brought up an interesting discussion topic”

- it’s a habit of mine – unlike the points ‘fake’ Rin’s wear atop their pates…

“who are the top 10 Chiefs in this decade?”

- I don’t care…none are worth mentioning in the same sentence nee breath as those from the 1960s.

“what about the top 10 Chiefs/Texans in the 60’s?”

- now you’re talkin!

“what about top 10 Chiefs/Texans all time?”

- ditto!

“Can we get Bob Gretz to publish the results?”

- it’s not Rin’s turn to watch Bob G today, so He that is I Rin couldn’t say…

Cue yet another Elton John paraphrase: “Green eyes…fake Rin’s got, green eyes.”

heh heh heh

“Hey Rin”

- yes, what is it now ‘fake’ True Red & Gold?

“Emperor” is spelled with one “O”, not two.”

- exactly – which is why I spelled it as such. And your point 9other than that one atop your head?)

“Rin”

- yes, what is it now?

“I also remember the great Freddie Arbanas”

- anyone who saw him play couldst not but remember…

“He was tough & talented.”

- the toughest, the most talented TE in Chiefs history…

“But”

- cue Pee Wee Herman: “Everybody’s got a big but…”

“Let’s be serious.”

- cue a serious face > :-[

“Tony G. is second to no one.”

- he is second to Arbanas on the Chiefs & is also second to such formers as Ditka, Mackey & Sanders – at minimum. Those gents played in an era when passing the football was not the lark nee walk in the park it is today and has been for these last some 30 years since the advent rules changes et al to benefit offenses.

Top ten this decade, in descending order:

10. Dante Hall
9. Larry Johnson
8. Jared Allen
7. Jerome Woods
6. Willie Roaf
5. Will Shields
4. Eddie Kennison
3. Trent Green
2. Priest Holmes
1. Tony Gonzalez

In the 1960’s, I would say:

10. Sherrill Hedrick
9. Cotton Davidson
8. Abner Haynes
7. EJ Holub
6. Fred Arbabas
5. Buck Buchanan
4. Bobby Bell
3. Willie Lanier
2. Len Dawson
1. Otis Taylor

All time I would say the following:

10. Abner Haynes
9. Ed Podalak
7. Fred Arbanas
6. Buck Buchanan
5. Willie Lanier
4. Len Dawson
3. Derrick Thomas
2. Tony Gonazalez
1. Otis Taylor

And my personal top 10, based solely on the guys I loved, not necessarily on talent or production:

10. Christian Okoye
9. Priest Holmes
8. Trent Green
7. Steve DeBerg
6. Derrick Thomas
5. Willie Davis
4. Mike Livingston
3. Tony Gonzalez
2. Marcus Allen
1. Albert Lewis/Deron Cherry

Can we get Bob Gretz to publish the results?

“Hey Rin.”

-Yes?

“Emperor”

-Thank you for the adulation, but Rin will suffice. Now, back to what you were saying about your intelligence, you said it had what now?

“One “O” and not two.”

-And that’s it? No other numbers, right? Just as Rin suspected. You are a moron.

Heh Heh Heh

“Emperor” is spelled with one “O”, not two.

A consideration that definitely should not be ignored in the court of public opinion.

devildog 1976 I like your optimism…

Bob, I was thinking yesterday about what you might say today concerning what did’nt get done in the OTA’s. I expected a bleeker synopsis. You did’nt even make me cringe.
Look, we all know the Chiefs are a big question mark this year. Between the youth movement, new defensive schemes & coaches, moving players around, who’s happy, who’s not, who to keep, which FA to sign etc… etc…etc… It scares the bejesus out of me. But, I’ve also noticed that change can be both exciting & disapointing.
Which leads me to this conclusion. Watching the Chiefs this year will not be boring. No sir, Win, Lose, whatever. I will be entertained… Is’nt that what this is all about? Being entertained…
In that respect, you can count on this years Chiefs to deliver.

“Any 22 will do” huh? We’ll see…based on how many of Herm’s Chiefs remain on the 53 man, IR and/or DV lists.

Me thinks ‘check’ will be proven (even more) of a fraud than he has already for Rin notes with much glee that some 80% of the players on KC last year are still on the team; and that number -some 80%- is precisely what Herm referenced as to how much of the team was already in place … just as the new not so dynamic duo has discovered. Rub their noses in it Herm!

heh heh heh

And Bob G, your reference to Waters “If he’s as much a leader as everyone thinks, then he needs to start doing a better job of leading.”

- Tony

“That Waters decided to make himself an outsider during this off-season is a disappointment.”

- Gonzalez

He was never a regular off-season participant… he whined to be traded in season… he pouted… and then he got his wish nee demand met by being traded; the difference is Waters did whine for a trade in season.

So evidence is a player can get what they want… best of luck to Brian Waters in his quest abandon this sinking vessel known as ’search’ & ‘check’s 2009 Chiefs.

So in this, appears Waters is much better than the ballyhooed former Chiefs TE Gonzalez – 2nd best team history behind the great Fred Arbanas.

If Goff is legend because of his materialization at OTA’s and Waters is foul for not what then of a Gonzalez & all his machinations? You’re better than that Bob G; get some Cosell in ya…tell it like it ‘really’ is.

And IMO you treaded a bit too lightly around the Vrabel situation…in that it can be argued that it’s even ‘more’ important for Vrabel to be here than Waters because- as you said- he’s supposedly bringing the Patriot way in the flesh…alas his body must not have gotten the message, least his conscience. Allow Rin fix said via throwing some hardball at the situation in lieu of a softball.

Vrabel’s absence? Rin is reminded of the old Wolf Brand Chili television commercial – which I in my Masterful way shall make paraphrase as codolences to ’search’ pioli’s current post in life:

“How longs has it been since you’ve had a big, heaping bowl of egg on the face? Well – that’s too long!”

heh heh heh

Your point is good. The needed answer is ultimately a culture change. If my kid commits a crime that causes a consequence (DWI, abuse, rape, drug use, or some other thing), let’s cut them a break. If my team’s favorite player commits a crime that causes a consequence, let’s cut them a break too. But if the guy across town whose kid is a different skin color or different economic class commits a crime (whether it’s same crime or a different one) – throw the book at them. Or if it’s the crime I have a weakness in, that should be treated more mercifully than the one the next guy across town struggles with. ‘Aww man – you’re just being harsh.’ Am I? If you choose an adult activity but don’t act like an adult, should I not call you into account? If you own a firearm in your home and your kid shoots mine by accident because you didn’t lock it up, should I remain silent and say that you shouldn’t be called into account for it – even though I’m paying thousands in medical bills (if I’m lucky)?

Strong presentation. One interesting thing that I’ve noted here and other places (the “mothership” among others) is the slight “change in tune” from Haley regarding BW. Somehow I believe that BW will be in that Right 53. It’s nice when coaches and players set egos aside for the benefit of the team.

When you you get behind the wheel knowingly drunk you’ve already committed the intentional part of the crime (to the extent there can be intent when your judgement is impaired by alcohol). Hitting someone is the UNintentional part. Yet the penalty for DUI when no injury is involved is often a slap on the wrist.

The problem with saying that Stallworth’s penalty should be more severe to discourage people from driving while intoxicated is that few people in a position to drive drunk are going to consider that they might kill somebody. On the other hand, they might give some thought to the idea that they could be pulled over.

It seems to me the answer is stiffer penalties for DUI.

God forgives, but man must regulate the laws which God has given to govern. We would be neglecting due dilligence if we allowed just a slap on the wrist to suffice for the taking of a human life, accidental or otherwise.

I checked the facts – and here’s what I found out…As a matter of fact, Donte – who I rooted for when he was with New Orleans – drove while intoxicated…the construction worker that he hit with his car while driving intoxicated is no longer living. The construction worker cannot be replaced – an event that occurred because of unfortunate decisions that Donte made which are very illegal (for this very reason) – and no action by Donte can ever give that back. It is encouraging to see the man had a conscience and stepped up after his poor decision. However, the judgment that was handed down by the court system has some very serious problems.

I challenge any attorney, judge, or level-minded lady or fellow to explain how a 30-day jail sentence will EVER…EVER…encourage a college football player…who thinks they’re God…that there’s a severe consequence to their violation of law (hence they should be responsible in their drinking decisions). I’m all about forgiving the sins of sinners, etc. but this precedent set by our legal community is by very nature Un-just and simply irresponsible at every level.

If Roger Goodell did not toss him out on his john-jacob-jingle-heimer-schmidt for an indefinite period of time…the NFL would be participants in this very same hypocrisy.

So I can get hammered, get behind the wheel, run over a guy and kill him…and as long as I THEN “do the right thing”, all I deserve is 30 days in jail? Oh yeah…and throw some $$$ at the guy’s family, of course. That’s Bullsh*t…and way you cut it. Nothing anyone can say is gonna’ change my mind on that.

Sorry for the non-Chiefs rant, guys. But that whole deal just hits me wrong. Big time.

The Right 53 (22)………..with attitude.

In the Coach I trust.

He landed in AZ, a franchise with a storied history of ineptness, and found a way to help get them to the Superbowl. Pioli has been there numerous times.

There’s going to be some real heavy lifting over this coming season but the results of that effort might not be seen for another year or two.

You’ve got a good point. For the most part, Stallworth stood up and took responsibility responsbility for what he did. (However, his defense was getting ready to argue that the fact that the victim was jaywalking was a mitigating factor).

One thing I’d say about “live by the blitz…die by the blitz”: the Chiefs have the corners to support a blitzing D. The big problem is the linebackers and, to a lesser extent, the safeties. Football Outsiders published a very interesting analysis of last season that showed the Chiefs defense gave up most of their passing yards against RB’s, TE’s, and #3 WR’s. They were pretty successful against #1/#2 WR’s.

One other thing I’d say about blitzing: don’t tell the Philadelphia Eagles it’s not effective.

There’s plenty of precedent for that (Leonard Little, for example). The sad fact is that this type of offense often isn’t taken very seriously.