Comments on: Thursday Morning Cup O’Chiefs

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:18:33 +0000

Unfortunately, I don’t see any MAJOR changes at Head Coach, or Management, this season or next.
Now if things don’t improve before seasons end, we may see some (Gun) maybe some other changes but nothing that imo is really going to make a substantial difference in this area.

I hope I am wrong but…..

By: Colby

Colby — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:22:45 +0000

Agreed findthedr. Brodie may be the QBOTF but can we really expect him to show us much this year? I think if he plays reasonably well, say 55% or better on completions and an equal or greater amount of TDs to INTs, and stays healthy then he deserves another shot at it in 2009. That is, if Herm and Carl are still running the show in 2009. Even if Croyle does play well, they need to invest in a legit backup QB because Croyle has proven to be fragile throughout his career. Huard used to be a decent option but his time is done. They need a number 2 QB who is the equivalent of a Todd Collins or a Billy Volek or a Charlie Batch coming off the bench (not those guys literally) who are capable of winning games if Croyle is hurt. Also, a number 3 with upside just to be safe. Maybe Ingle Martin is that guy? The Chiefs failed to get a quality backup this year and look what happened, the team came completely unraveled.

By: findthedr

findthedr — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:24:33 +0000

The team. even this site, is putting too much pressure on Brodie to somehow be the savior of the season (and somehow not doing that means he isnt a starting caliber QB).

The way the team is playing has alot more to do with coaching. Herm owns 3 of the chiefs 7 worst losses in franchise history.

1976. 45-0 vs Pittsburgh. Paul Wiggins.
1984. 45-0 at Seattle. John Mackovic.
2006. 45-7 at Pittsburgh. HERM EDWARDS.
1977. 44-7 at Cleveland. Paul Wiggins.
1994. 44-10 at Buffalo. Marty Schottenhiemer.
2007. 41-7 at Denver. HERM EDWARDS.
2008. 34-0 at Carolina. HERM EDWARDS.

The Chiefs had 127 yards of offense, their lowest total since losing 20-7 to Marty’s Browns in 1986. At least in that game, Kansas City was able get a touchdown.

We have 13 losses in 14 games. Brodie cant do it alone.

By: MenInRed

MenInRed — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:12:38 +0000

agree

By: findthedr

findthedr — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:52:43 +0000

Both of you are spot on. Great posts!

By: Rich

Rich — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:26:49 +0000

Mark makes excellent points. I too would prefer to get that young QB high in the draft but only after Carl Peterson and, probably, Herm have left the building for good.

I think the team problems go deeper than the QB issue but there can be no denying that this position is the most important on the roster. I shudder at having a highly touted QB like Tebow, for example, taking instruction from Dick Curl.

By: Mark

Mark — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:52:18 +0000

The Chiefs definitely need a quarterback, but I don’t think I want Carl or Herm near any kind of developmental prospect.

2nd rounder Mike Elkins, 2nd rounder Matt Blundin, 7th Steve Matthews, 4th Steve Stenstrom, 4th Pat Barnes, and now 3rd rounder Brodie Croyle seems set to join that not-so-illustrious company.

Herm’s history with QBs isn’t amazing either, in 4 years he only drafted Brooks Bollinger, and his team showcased the talents of Vinny Testaverde, the oft-injured Chad Pennington, Quincy Carter who I believe was cut by the Kansas City Brigade recently.

But, we’d have had a better chance to develop a young QB during Carl’s tenure if we hadn’t gone 8 years without so much as using a late round pick on one between 1997 and 2006. (Good thing, I don’t know what we would have done without all those Willie Piles and Eric Kings and Jeris McIntyres)

I fully expect Carl, should we be unlucky enough to have him around next year, will use the Croyle experiment as justification to bring in another journeyman band-aid fix like we’ve done so many times before. So who’s the next Steve Bono?

After all, handing the reins to a young QB is a risk, and the one time we (were forced to) do it in Carl’s tenure it didn’t work out, so we must never do it again.