The Chiefs – 81 thru 1/Part #2 … Saturday Cup O’Chiefs
Our evaluation of the Chiefs 2010 training camp roster continues on this Saturday. In Friday’s edition, we looked at the very bottom of the roster, those players ranked No. 60 through 81. If you missed that, here’s the link.
Today, the focus is on the lower middle of the roster. These are guys that all have a legitimate shot at making the final 53-man roster. Generally, there isn’t a lot of difference between slots in the rankings with the middle ground. A guy could be No. 57, or just as easily be No. 47. These players can contribute, but for the most part they are not going to be key performers.
On Sunday the Fourth of July comes players rated No. 20 through 39 and then on Monday, No. 1 through 19.
Again, a reminder about the evaluations – they are based on performances of the past and potential for the future. One thing everyone involved in football learns to do is trust their eyes. My evaluations are based on what I’ve seen, not what I was supposed to see. Plus, in the NFL a player or a team is either getting better or getting worse. They are either moving up or moving down. For any player who has played in an NFL game, our evaluation comes with an arrow indicating the direction of the player’s career. If they are an ascending player, or one at the top of his game, the arrow points up. An arrow down indicates a descending player, who may still be able to perform and contribute, but has most of his career visible in the rear-view mirror.
The rookies and first-year players who have not played a regular season game don’t get an arrow.
Here’s No. 59 through 40.
59
DL Dion Gales
Evaluation – When Gales signed as an undrafted rookie free agent last year, he showed up at 6-5 and a doughy 275 pounds or so. As he went through the rookie mini-camp, it was hard to see how he was going to survive until the full squad mini-camp. Somehow, he did. He spent a dozen games on the practice squad because the Chiefs liked what they saw with his size and quickness. Eventually, he was activated and played in three games, while being a game-day inactive in a fourth. Gales has put on weight and it appears to be good weight, now rolling onto the field at 310 pounds. Last year, he was listed at 259 pounds, a highly suspect number from the start. His ability to play both inside and outside is a major plus for him. The inside situation is very much up in the air and that helps him.
58
WR Lance Long
Evaluation – Long’s entire off-season was spent rehabbing a leg injury and he could not practice. Those types of snaps and visibility are something a player like Long cannot afford to lose. He’s small (5-11, 185 pounds), not necessarily fast, but owns a big heart and a barrel of desire. On a 4-12 team a guy like that can find a spot on the roster. If the Chiefs are going to be an improved team, there should not be a spot for Long. Last year, he spent five weeks on the practice squad, was activated and played in seven games before being inactive for the last three games. He caught eight passes for 74 yards against Jacksonville. After that, he struggled to make an impact.
57
LB Justin Cole
Evaluation – An undrafted rookie free agent out of San Jose State, Cole was one of the more impressive unknown players during the off-season. He’s got good size at 6-3, 242 pounds and a history of playing on the edge, where he showed in the off-season the ability to run. How big an upside Cole carries will depend on his ability to produce and perform in camp and the pre-season games.
56
LB Cory Greenwood
Evaluation – One does not need to be Scott Pioli or Todd Haley to see that Greenwood has a world of talent. The Canadian college player is a talented athlete, dedicated to strength and conditioning and seems to be able to pick things up mentally in a quick manner. Every off-season practice he seemed to be more and more comfortable. There’s a real chance for him to be a special teams demon.
55
LB David Herron
Evaluation – Herron joined the team at the end of September last year and made his contributions strictly on special teams, where he finished with 11 tackles. Herron plays the inside on defense, but saw action there just once during the ’09 schedule. An undrafted free agent out of Michigan State in ’07, Herron’s work in the kicking game is his only ticket to the roster.
54
S DaJuan Morgan
Evaluation – It’s make-or-break time for the third-year safety. In his first season, he had limited opportunities as the coaches did not want to overload him as a junior coming out of North Carolina State. Last season in year No. 2, he got a chance to start game No. 8 and did nothing to impress the coaches; he was inactive the next game. Overall, he played in 13 games, made two starts and finished the season on the injured-reserve list with a chest injury. Morgan had 15 tackles on defense and only six in the kicking game. A talented athlete, Morgan reacts quickly to the offense and frequently with a play-action fake that gets him out of position and leaves part of the deep middle open. He’s a hitter, not a coverage safety. Eric Berry, Kendrick Lewis, Jon McGraw and possibly Donald Washington are all ahead of him in the roster race.
53
G/T Ikechuku Ndukwe
Evaluation – It’s hard to believe based on what we saw from Ndukwe last year that he’ll have a roster spot again for the ’10 season. There’s a reason Bill Parcells was willing to trade him to his son-in-law – he wasn’t going to make the Dolphins roster. Very early, Ndukwe was found wanting as a tackle; he got three starts but was yanked in favor of Ryan O’Callaghan. The next two weeks he was inactive and played sparingly over the rest of the season. He’s not particularly strong, or quick of foot. He brings smarts and can play both guard and tackle; that versatility is the only ticket he really has to the 53-man roster.
52
FB Mike Cox
Evaluation – A tough, gutty player, Cox does not have a toolbox full of skills he can provide. He can block, he can catch the ball on occasion out of the backfield and he’s durable. An undrafted rookie three years ago out of Georgia Tech, Cox is one of those guys that aware that any minute the phone call may come to see the head coach and bring his playbook. Roster decisions at fullback will be tied in the ’10 season to what happens at tight end.
51
RB Jackie Battle
Evaluation – For three seasons, Battle played in three, nine and five games, a total of 17. Last year, he was five games into the ’09 season when he went to the injured reserve list with a shoulder problem. At that point, he was making a contribution not on offense, but on special teams, where he had six tackles. In the last two seasons, Battle has started strong in training camp, only to peter out as the weeks flew off the schedule. With Jamaal Charles, Thomas Jones and the young Kestahn Moore all running ahead of him, Battle will again have to make himself known in the kicking game if he wants to survive another year.
50
DT Shaun Smith
Evaluation – Maybe Smith makes the roster because he’s Romeo Crennel’s guy. Maybe he’s one of those veteran players that have problems getting excited about the off-season. Or, maybe he’s simply not very good. There’s little that Smith showed during the team’s mini-camp and OTAs that screams he must be on the final 53-man roster. He was demoted to the third team by June. Smith’s profile during his six-year career is that of a roller coaster player, or just the type of guy that Haley is trying to weed out of the Chiefs locker room. However, never count out a veteran survivor like Smith, especially one that weighs 325 pounds and can play the nose for a team that needs improved play at the position.
49
CB Mike Richardson
Evaluation – A former New England draft pick, Richardson signed on at the end of September and played in 11 games, most of that time on special teams. He contributed a dozen tackles in the kicking game, making him one of the top special teams performers last season. As for coverage, Richardson would rank fifth or sixth on the depth chart based on what we saw last season and in this off-season. He’ll likely be a roster factor right down to the final cut down date because of that special teams experience and production. There’s not much that he offers the defense.
48
OT Barry Richardson
Evaluation – Another third-year player who faces a make-or-break season. There were opportunities last year for Richardson to establish himself at right tackle in the Chiefs offensive line, but he wasn’t able to lock down the job. He’s gotten stronger over the past two seasons, which was one of the negatives on him coming out of Clemson. There’s frequently a breakthrough moment for offensive lineman where they struggle and then boom, it falls together. Richardson needs that moment to happen in ’10. He has the athletic ability to challenge Ryan O’Callaghan for the starting spot at right tackle.
47
QB Tyler Palko
Evaluation – Haley really likes what he’s seen during this off-season from Palko, but sometimes it was hard to understand why. He was not especially accurate throwing the ball, was sometimes slow in delivering the pass and frequently heard from offensive coordinator Charlie Weis about decision making. Palko will be 27 years old in August. He’s not especially big (6-1, 215) and while he’s spent time with New Orleans, Arizona and Pittsburgh, his contributions haven’t been seen on the field. The release of Matt Gutierrez effectively gave Palko the No. 3 QB position, but he should continue to rent, rather than buy.
46
LB Demorrio Williams
Evaluation – That Williams played all 16 games last season was a remarkable testimony to his toughness. He battled a knee injury from training camp on and was never at 100 percent. Still, he led the team with 142 total tackles, while playing only on early run downs. The fact the Chiefs were 31st in the league against the run is not a chip in his favor. Williams has shown in this off-season that he’s healthy. But in his seventh NFL season, he doesn’t bring much to the party. He’s not quick or fast or strong or a particularly heady ballplayer. Williams is tough and he’ll stick his nose in a hole, if he can get there. The Chiefs need inside linebackers that can get there.
45
DT Derek Lokey
Evaluation – Can an undrafted free agent, who in two NFL seasons has played a total of three games and not made a tackle really be the Chiefs best nose tackle? At the end of the off-season practices he was. Lokey was running with the first team, all 6-1, 300 pounds of him. What does he bring to the defense? He’s got a strong motor that he never turns off. He’s an intelligent player, who understands his role. Whether or not he’s a talented enough athletically to hold down two gaps in the K.C. run defense is something Lokey must prove.
44
CB Travis Daniels
Evaluation – Much has been expected from Daniels since he left LSU, went to Miami and then Cleveland. Along the way, his opportunities did not lead to consistent playing time on the corner. He started 14 games as a rookie for the Dolphins and in four seasons since, he’s started 14 more games. Daniels has good size, good speed and he seems to have a good understanding of defense. During the team’s mini-camp in June, Daniels was the best player on the field for those five practices, as he was consistently knocking down passes and even grabbed several interceptions. That must be transferred to August in St. Joe and then on the field in the fall.
43
WR Terrance Copper
Evaluation – Copper was one of the best special teams performers on the field for the Chiefs last year, specifically in coverage and blocking. It wasn’t until the final game of the season, when he made a real dent in the offense when he hooked up with QB Matt Cassel on a 50-yard pass and run play against the Broncos. He had only three other catches during the season for a total of 18 yards. But he did have 16 tackles in the kicking game. In his seventh season, Copper still has the ability to step on the gas and gain separation. But last year in a season where the Chiefs were signing receivers off the street on almost a weekly basis, Copper couldn’t get an edge and more playing time on offense.
42
LB Corey Mays
Evaluation – Give Mays all the credit in the world – he was signed last year as a free agent from the Bengals due to his prowess in the kicking game. But a dearth of talent at inside linebacker gave him the opportunity to play defense and he took advantage. Mays started 13 games and finished as the team’s No. 2 tackler with 100. He ended up with only three special teams tackles. This will be his fifth NFL season and Mays does not bring great athletic skills to the position. He does have one characteristic that all good linebackers must have – he is willing to hit.
41
LS Thomas Gafford
Evaluation – As a long snapper, Gafford is solid in getting the ball back for PATs, FGs and punts. Last year, he added four tackles in punt coverage and that showed he’s not an offensive lineman. He had one bad snap last season. Gafford is diligent and works hard at sharpening his skills.
40
S Jarrad Page
Evaluation – Page’s boycott of the team’s off-season program and his request to be traded have him living off the Chiefs radar screen going into the ’10 season. Page made a place in the NFL due to a good overall level of athletic skills and intelligence. It had nothing to do with great speed or quickness, and he wasn’t an especially vicious tackler. He and Haley got tangled up last year in Page’s frequent muscle pulls and the like; the head coach felt he should be practicing, the player thought otherwise. There’s no future for Page in Kansas City and if the Chiefs had not been burned by releasing Bernard Pollard last year, Page would already be on the street trying to find another job in the NFL, which he will.
(Evaluations of Chiefs players No. 20-39 coming on Sunday)
NFL PERSONNEL & NEWS FILE FOR FRIDAY JULY 2
- LIONS – signed CB Dre Bly to a 2-year contract – this is Bly’s second tour with Detroit, and his signing has everything to do with insurance for the young Lions defense should injuries crop up during the pre-season. He was a nickel back last year with the 49ers and is 33 years old; released DB Paul Pratt – undrafted free agent from Nevada who was released to open up a roster spot for Bly.
- RAVENS – agreed to terms with 3rd-round draft choice TE Ed Dickson to a 3-year contract – an Oregon product that caught 42 passes and six TDs last year for the Ducks. He’s big, with good speed and athletic hands.
So far, this has really dissapointed me in the order of the players. This just seems to me as though you are basing these off of which players you prefer. Both the 1st and 2nd articles were pretty bad. and to be honest, right now, i’m not expecting much from the next one
Charles, my guess is Mr. Gretz spoke lowly of one of the guys you like. I would love to know which one(s) you disagree with. To me, they all are pretty much spot on. Bob tells it like it is, a team doesn’t go 4-12 and everybody given rave reviews.
The main weaknesses of the ’09 Chiefs remain to be resolved for the ’10 version: Front 7 on defense and WR. You could include OLine and TE in the iffy column as well.
A lot of reliance is being put into improvement of these roster players being reviewed to make the team stronger and more competitive. A lot.
Steven,
I agree with you! Bob is right on the mark! Get a clue Charles.
I can only imagine how these guys have hope to make it! Those that are working still this month like Tamba Hali. How many of them really want it?
Tough job.
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seriously, i get called out by some of you guys for offering my opinion. I dont exactly have an allegiance to any of these players and am under the impression that i’m happy with whoever the pickup as long as they make the Chiefs better, but really, this article was a bit of a joke. I could write LOADS about why this was dumb, but a) i dont have much time and b)word limit
Even though Kestahn Moore has only been playing for the chiefs in the offseason so far, he’s not been shown yet, so it looks like he is a lock to make this roster. You wanna tell me how this is believable. granted, he made a quite a few nice runs at minicamp etc, but it’s without pads, and anyone with a lot of speed is gonna look good.
On the topic of RB’s, what about Javarris Williams. He’s a Thomas Jones type of guy in that he isn’t really fast or quick but is smart and runs hard. (i’m not trying to compare the two as JW has a LONG way to go to even match his production). How are you ever going to get a look at a player like this without pads?
I dont understand how washington is so high, because you talk about how he needs to go through a position change and that he has to go through a position change. There’s no talk about how he performed, and i have heard that he has looked bad. This is contradictory of the term ‘the right 53′, as you (Gretz) seem to be under the impression that Pioli will give him more of a chance because he was a relatively high draft pick.
How is Lance Long so high when he hasnt trained yet? Your answer: “he has heart and desire”. He showed nothing in the season except (as you say) in the jacksonville game, so why should he even be considered a bubble player to make the roster
You also look at cory Greenwood more with potential as opposed to what he has actually produced
And with Mike Cox, shouldnt he be lower when looking at having the competition of Castille and Jackie Battle in front of him. Dont get me wrong, i like Cox, but he seems to have the same, if not worse, catching ability of castille and is not a Haley type FB.
I agree that Shaun SMith will probably not help. In fact, i’ve questioned his presence from the start. Again, you seem to have him ranked pretty high for a guy that you said didnt looked good in minicamp.
By your evaluation of Palko, should he not be moved down more. Especially as your comment makes it look like he’d be out of the roster if a quality FA became available instead of him
The one ranking that i have the most issue with is that of Demorrio Williams. Gretz, i understand that you like DJ a helluva lot over DM, but DM has been more consistent in his tackling and although is not a playmaker, he is a LOT less likely to make a vital mistake which allows that first down or even that touchdown. (I believe the Steelers game shows this to be the case significantly as he regularly misses tackles of Mendenhall).
I think my main issue is with the way this article was presented. With a definite number you have given the players. If it had been done in terms of positions and listing the depth chart or something similar, but this is just WAY too general. On that note, I think it should have been done whilst talking more about unknowns rather than just having 10-11 unknowns. This would be players such as the lineman that havent been on the field in a game situation (EG, Bobby Greenwood), The injured players through minicamp and OTA’s that havent been able to practice and havent been able to show much in a game situation (EG Lance Long – This was the best example i could think of but not neccessarily who i was expecting), and the players that would be more suited to working in pads (EG javarris williams)
and @ Dan. really? i should get a clue? I’m not from the USA so i feel that i have to research a lot more into the Chiefs history, the NFL history, and the current state of the Chiefs, so maybe i find out more than the casual American fan does. I must’ve watched every Chiefs game like 5 times, not including watching it on gameday online because they only show Cowboys games in the UK. Here’s an idea. Stop breastfeeding off the OPINIONS of Gretz and formulate you own goddam arguments about the Chiefs
Charles, your comments tell me for some reason you either don’t like Bob or you are one of those living in “la-la” land. I think Bob knows a hell of alot more about the Chiefs than you ever will. He is there in person watching them. I respect Bob and am glad that he “tells it like it is”. Maybe you just “can’t handle the truth”.
@ chuckP i’d like to think of myself as somewhat as an optimist, but i’m definitely not living in la-la land. And when did i ever say that i think i know more than Gretz? Is he a casual fan? Dont get me wrong, i have a tremendous amount of respect for what he’s doing (free website, offering what he sees) but as i said, this article is poorly done.
And no, he doesn’t “tell it like it is”. He tells it like he see’s it. They’re two different things. One is based on truth, the other, on opinion. And yes, this is a website that is made in order to show Gretz’s opinions, not what is fact. Just as i’m showing my opinion, he showed his. I’m just seeing a bunch of sheep who are blindly following Gretz and his opinions, for the simple fact that he was able to watch practises. How about you learn to formulate your own opinion
maybe, just maybe, it’s not me who “can’t handle the truth”
“By your evaluation of Palko, should he not be moved down more.”
One shouldn’t ignore though that Palko already beat out a Pioli guy (Gut-check-ierrez) to get that #3 QB slot – meaning he has shown “something.” The other thing worthy of note is that with the overall talent level on this team being low – all it may take to get to #45 – is “heart” and “desire.”
“He tells it like he see’s it.”
That’s right – and you tell it like you see it. Bob’s family and friends no doubt are part of the fan base – so always bring your ideas – and back them up.
Charles I’m not here to gang up on you, in fact I agree with some of your criticisms of player rankings. Mainly Cory Mays, Mays was one of, if not the biggest surprise on defense last year. I can see him being a Jerome Harrison type player in that it took him a number of years in the league before he figured it out. Not saying Mays will be a def player of the year, but I think he is still improving. Demorrio WIlliams should also be ranked higher. I don’t agree with the argument that his 142 tackles don’t count b/c he played on the 2nd to worst defense. With that said, I agree his probably not getting any better, and if he’s our leading tackler again we’re not going to a hole lot better on D.
My problem with your posts Charles is you seemed to skip over the disclaimer Bob put at the top:
“Generally, there isn’t a lot of difference between slots in the rankings with the middle ground. A guy could be No. 57, or just as easily be No. 47.”
and
“Again, a reminder about the evaluations – they are based on performances of the past and potential for the future. One thing everyone involved in football learns to do is trust their eyes. My evaluations are based on what I’ve seen, not what I was supposed to see.”
that says to me 1.) Don’t read too much into one player being a few spots ahead of another & 2.) Bob is calling it like he sees it. It’s just one mans opinion.
And I for one and glad to have the opportunity to read the notes of someone who has seen as much KC football as possible w/o being on the payroll. Even if I don’t agree.
lastly Charles being a Brit maybe you can help me with this. I heard Wayne Rooney is being exiled from the UK and is planning on relocating to KC and play for the WIZ. Any truth?
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I guess my opinion of Gretz is in the process of change. During the Petersen era, I thought he was just a homer with little substance. More recently, I would have to say that his evaluations strike me as knowledgable and relatively candid both as to players and coaches. In fact I would rate him as the best source available. Maybe he just sees his job differently now and maybe it is. In any event, I think he is gaining Haley’s respect for his insight without being unduly critical. And while OTAs isn’t live ammunition, his evaluation does provide a baseline and I doubt that his thinking at this point is a lot different than Haley’s.
As to his evaluation of Mays, watch the tape. Mays was a problem. Mays would lose gap control much too often. Usually it looks as if he is looking in the backfield, is heading for where he thinks the action is and overruns his gap. The result is the guard can not get up on the safety and the running back is off to the races against a slow secondary. Yep, he was problem. And Gretz’s view that Vrable should be inside looks to me to have merit.
stop sucking gretz’s small 8=D gretz is just one mans opinion so to bash someone who doesn’t agree with him is stupid. Everyone here is Chiefs fans and gretz is no “expert” he said it himself his point of view so stop crying when someone calls him out. Man didn’t we had so many little girls as KC fans!
Guys, this is the absolute dead zone of the NFL season just prior to the start of training camp. To help us football and Chiefs junkies get through this period, Bob is providing good topics of conversation with his take on what he’s seen so far.
We are all aware that all the offseason prepartation with conditioning, OTA’s and minicamps are meant to get the players ready to compete when the rubber really meets the road in training camp. Many of these players will shoot up and down the board once camp starts, but discussing where they seem to rank right now is just fun and a good time-killer.
Bob has his opinions, and we all have ours. You can oppose his arguements, you can oppose mine. That’s what it’s all about. But, I think the selection of the general topic and it’s presentation are just fine if you take it for what it is.
All teams are made up of stars, key contributors, solid backups and fringe players. I think of them in terms of chip colors-blue, red, green and yellow. Players can and do change chip color throughout their careers, but mostly they stay within their expected group, or just jump from one color to the next level up, then back down. I don’t think there’s much point in arguing where a player sits on a list of players within their group. I mean, how much difference does it make if you are at the top of the list of yellow chips or the bottom? Well, I guess it would make a big difference to the individual player if it were the difference in being cut, but generally speaking, it seems more of a quibble.
More interesting to me is the question of what this team seems to be made up of: what percentage blue chips, red, greeen and yellow, and can you win with that?
As to individual players: There are a lot of players I like more than Bob, and some the other way around. That’s cool; that’s what makes conversation.
As a long-time reader and commenter, I have to say…I was a little disappointed at some reactions to Charles’ comments. He gave his opinion. And presented it quite well. Agree or disagree, we’re all entitled to what we think.
Charles,
I don’t think I’ve seen you comment here before (or much, anyway)…so welcome aboard. I look forward to any opinion that is presented with intelligence…whether I agree or not. So I hope you jump in on a regular basis.
Last year, Dion Gales was list at 260 LBS by the Chiefs, and Bob says he was more like a soft 275. Whatever it was, when he played last year he looked like a feather in the wind. Now, he’s up to a muscular 310. He was quick last year, and if he maintains that quickness, together with his high motor, he could be a good contributor at nose tackle. He’s one player I’ll be watching.
I don’t think we’ll know much about how S. Smith is doing until training camp because that’s when he can show weather he can plug the middle with his 325LBS.
Lokey is the type of player I like to root for; he’s got the heart and the head, but is a bit short on size and athletic ability. We’ll see if he’s actually one of those players who can do more with less.
I’m really glad to see we may have talent at nose tackle in Lokey. I hope he turns out to be nasty and good. I really hope to see them steal some body’s from Baltimore at the position though they have way to many nose tackles out there its like four or five and they are all pretty solid.
Could Travis Daniels push Carr for the starting spot opposite Flowers? I bet it could happen. Move Carr to nickle I doubt that with Arenas bieng on the squad. Could get interesting with him pushing Carr to get the spot we should have one heck of a secondary this year.
Our linebackers are not Urlackers or Briggs or that big mean jungle cat out in San Fran Pat whats his name. Willis thats it. But 144 tackles on a bad knee; I give him the arrow up? (Demar)How could you not? He got 144 tackles all banged up. If he’s healthy he may be that Demeco Ryans or Bryan Cushing in the middle. Just sayin. No comment on the rest of them the proof is in the pudding for me. If D.J. doesn’t show up this year and play like a first round draft choice I bet he gets cut.
Charles hey man I agree with Mad Chief your educated about the ball club we all love Bob and are not gonna say much in the way of negitive things about him but if your post are smart and not petty in the way of your critisim keep em comin. I dont think it was that bad even for a foreign bloak.
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It doesn’t matter who makes the Quiefs ballet company or not, they are going to end up in the basement anyway cuz the Raiders rule AFC West. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Charles,
Thanks for you reply. I’m glad to see someone who backs up what they say instead of just a bunch of curse words or name calling. Whether I agree with you or not doesn’t matter. We are allowed to express our different views of these columns that is why this comment section is here.
Totally disagree with Demarrio with arrow pointing down. Anytime a guy leads your team in tackles arrow shouldn’t be pointing donw in his career. Its up to the defensive line to keep blockers off the linebackers for them to get there as your say. For him to be banged up majority of the season and still lead the team in tackles speak volumes when healthy and behind an improved defensive line how great this kid can be. He may not be as talented as your boy Derrick Johnson but this kid got heart, toughness, determination, and thats all u need to become a really good player in this league. And I think Williams is becoming that.
Can Lokey really be a factor at NT?