Comments on: Friday Morning Cup O’Chiefs

By: Kevin B.

Kevin B. — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:43:59 +0000

We don’t have Offense or defense. So who cares. If we get anything at all going it will make me happy. When your offense averages 1 first down every 5 possessions and your Defense gives up 300 rushing yards a game anything would be better than our present Chiefs

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:08:52 +0000

Your right Mark the 85 Bears had the 7th ranked offense.

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:17:08 +0000

Thanks Colby for the typo check.
But imho I think our best chance was in 93-94 season when we had an outstanding D and a very efficient offense. AFC Championship game…. couldn’t beat old Marv Levy.

By: Mark

Mark — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:08:36 +0000

In the recent era of NFL Football, you need at least a pretty good offense to go far. The only team that violated that was the 2000 Ravens. Even the 1985 Bears had a good Offense, but their D was just so dominating, that’s what they were known for. Offense sells tickets and gets you national attenion and national TV games. It’s easier to be a lousy team with a good offense, because at least there’s some excitement, and the potential to outscore the opposition. You do need at least a passable D to g far though. A team with no offense whatsoever will not be competetive, unless they have an all time great D like those Ravens, and even they could run the ball very well.

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:54:46 +0000

I remember that Merwin, Marty was pissed and said he was embarrassed by his defense, If I remember right he fined DT or something. I just remember it caused a bit of a rift between Marty and DT.

By: Colby

Colby — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:46:22 +0000

Interesting debate about what’s better, a dominating D (85 Bears, 00 Ravens) or a high scoring offense (99 Rams, 94 49ers, 07 Pats). For my money, I’d rather see a great offense. Dick Vermeil’s teams were lots of fun to watch even WITH their awful defenses. Lots of points keeps butts in the seats even if the team is just mediocre. A mediocre team that can’t score can’t sell tickets as easily. Defense is great, but if you’re relying on them to score your points as well then you won’t win over the fans or get media attention.

I think we’d have gotten a Super Bowl during the Vermeil era if his staff had any idea whatsover about how to run a damn draft. Throw in a few good drafts with Vermeil’s veteran teams and I think we’d have seen a Super Bowl.

By: Merwin

Merwin — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:28:52 +0000

As long as it doesn’t end up like the 11/16/98 game on MNF. The Broncos put a real thrashing on us and got D.Thomas and some others doing personal fouls at the end cause they were so PO about the game. That one really hurt when S.Sharp said “we own this stadium now”. Go Chiefs!

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:54:22 +0000

I found the word I wanted to use COHEISION, There is none of that on offense or defense, offense is understandable with the QB of the week club we’ve employed so far this season. But the Defense???

By: TimmyHerb

TimmyHerb — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:53:41 +0000

tmessina, only 21? come on. I’m thinking more like 56.

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:47:48 +0000

Me too, I just want to see some progression in all these young guys.

Yes we see flashes of guys, and that makes it even harder but to me it just seems like there flat. Like there not playing all out on every play.

Hell I dunno how to describe what I’ve seen.

By: tmessina

tmessina — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:23:38 +0000

Wasn’t that Gabby Hayes’ saying? The NFL says on any sunday, maybe. It would be a good time for herm to start showing some sort of dividend for what he has done to the team and fans. I still say I do not need a win, just visible improvement on some phase of team growth.

By: TCharlton

TCharlton — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:16:03 +0000

It’s hard to get up for a game like this, but you know what? I’m going to. I’m a Chiefs fan dad gummit and last time I checked I still bleed red. The Broncos haven’t won the game yet right? They still have to play the game right? Just look what happened to USC last night. I hope the Donkeys come in thinking they already have it won……… let’s go Chiefs!!

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:14:49 +0000

Tmessina If Herm builds the type of team every one says that he wants to build (meaning Bob and all the other press) DeBerg would be good, Dave Craig, Hell even ohno it’s Bono could run a ball control offense, you know, good at play action passing and handing the ball off to a great back and a dominating O-line.

But I’m not sure what he’ is striving to build.

By: tmessina

tmessina — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:04:47 +0000

I like Brodie just fine but, guys, I do not believe he has been healthy since HS. He can do everything a NFL qb needs to do except stay on the field. As for a college qb remember Jim Plunkett, a major flop until he got to the raiders then lookout, Super Bowl. The qb must fit with the team and how they play their version of the game. Since I cannot figure out how herm is running things, who is the best qb for KC. Probably Steve DeBerg would be the best for herm, except he is a coach now. Who else, got me?

Still think Denver will put 21 on the chiefs but hope for something positive of KC.

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:10:09 +0000

BlakeB here check this out maybe it will help with your college qb question.

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/top-40-college-seniors-nfl-view.html#more-1537

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:52:52 +0000

GOD Bob I wish you would take that picture of of this thread… I hate looking at that gooch eyed devil.

One eye squirrel hunting and the other eye cat fishing

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:54:44 +0000

Yeah Merwin, and like the Steelers of the 70’s and what? was it the 95 Bears.
And the 49er’s in the the early 80’s had it all, a great D and an explosive offense. And God did I hate them for it! LOL

By: Merwin

Merwin — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:29:56 +0000

Hey JohnNdallas, I agree I would rather win the super bowl with a team like the Ravens had and like last year’s Giants. I would rather see the other team trying to beat our defense and making mistakes to put us in a position to win with a short field. Either way you like it, it seems most of the time you will win or lose by a field goal. Hmm!, sounds familiar? Oh well, either way a win is a win, lets hope for one Sunday. Go Chiefs!

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:24:59 +0000

BlakeB, your right that’s the word, that there aren’t many if any “prototypical” NFL QB’s (to use the pundits word)

But the name I hear most often is Tim Tebow (spelling?)

The problem with qb’s coming out of college now is that most teams are running the “spread offense” and that doesn’t translate well to becoming an NFL qb.

By: BlakeB

BlakeB — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:09:00 +0000

I’m not much of a college football fan, so I don’t really know what I’m talking about (I can admit that) With that said, I’ve heard that the potential incoming QB draft class is “weak.” Maybe it’s too early to actually know that. But, I’d be interested to hear all of your opinions on that…and who we might go after at the QB position through the draft or other avenues (trades/free agency)

BEAT THE DONKEYS!

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:55:06 +0000

I dunno about that Tim, I would rather have a dominating defense than a high powered Offense, A dominating D can score too. (If I had to choose between the two)

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:50:15 +0000

Don’t get me wrong, if Croyle gets to play the remainder of the season (after he gets back) and he ain’t cuttin it, then I say yes we have to get another guy who can.

But I would strongly suggest that we work really hard on our O-line in the off season and during the draft.

By: Tim

Tim — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:50:05 +0000

Let’s not forget that Shanny is an offensive coach. His philosophy is to BURY the other team if he can. He’s really always been that way. Herm won’t EVER be that way. He plays to merely keep it close. Give me Shanny’s & Vermeil’s philosophy any day! If I’m going to lose, I want the other guy to have to outscore me. In that case we always have a chance to win because we believe we can score. The other way, Herm & Marty, you’re seemingly playing not to lose.

By: Josh

Josh — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:43:44 +0000

Wow, Seriously?!

Come on guys, lets have a little faith. I think Tony is going to have a great day against a weak defense and if we can get Larry going early we got a real good shot at pulling off an upset. The Donkeys aren’t as good as there record. Don’t throw in your hand when the betting hasn’t even begun.

By: Patrick

Patrick — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:42:55 +0000

John, you maybe right but if the Chiefs don’t begin the development of a high potential qb with the next draft than we put ourselves back even further. I say round 1 qb, round 2 o-lineman and pick up a middle linebacker from somewhere please! I am afraid of what the Broncos will do to us this Sunday. The Chiefs will fight hard and grow up during the game but I think it might be to little to late.

By: JohnNdallas

JohnNdallas — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:38:33 +0000

With our line, even if we put Croyle (or any other QB for that matter) in an up armored humvee they couldn’t stay healthy.

By: Stiv

Stiv — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:35:43 +0000

I’m afraid I have little faith in the notion of Croyle being able to stay on the field. He’s been hurt 3 times in 7 starts, that’s not encouraging. Hopefully he can get back in there soon and we can see if he can make it through the rest of the season. Personally I think the Chiefs need to seriously consider this coming off season other options.

By: aPauled

aPauled — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:26:16 +0000

Solidifies the FACT that a Good Coach doesn’t lose 12 games in a row while remaking the team. During Shanny’s make-over years, the team was still .500, not 4-12 or worse.

By: eyepod

eyepod — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:42:19 +0000

I really hope that Brodie can stay healthy. He’s looked solid while he’s in the game, but I cringe every time he gets hit. Plus, that line about the Broncos opening up their pass rush… GREAT. All they need to do is stuff the right side of the line. I wonder how McIntosh sleeps at night knowing that his blocking skills are more suspect than Clay Aiken saying he wasn’t gay all these years…..(He just outed himself… and wow, has he put on weight!)

By: Colby

Colby — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:32:52 +0000

Yeah it’s hard to find a way to complement Shanny. I totally agree with Rich though. Shanny thought so much of Cutler that he moved up in order to get him. Then he had the bravery to play him as a rookie even though he had an established (but erratic) veteran in Jake Plummer. I really hope that when Croyle gets healthy he plays really well and can be the guy to lead the franchise. That will make our road back to success so much shorter!

By: findthedr

findthedr — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:24:59 +0000

The broncos look like the chiefs of Old (during the Vermiel years): prolific offense and no defense.

its sad reading a positive comment about shanarat on a chiefs site, and we are unabe to say the same things about our coach.

By: Rich

Rich — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:15:18 +0000

Shanahan was smart enough to also identify, then move up to draft a franchise QB. This is an ability the Chiefs have yet to master, obviously.