Ego! What Ego? … Monday Cup O’Chiefs

Trying to decipher the meaning behind some of the things football players say is like trying to make sense of some speech by a politician out of Washington.

What they say doesn’t always mean what they mean.

When Larry Johnson kept using the word “ego” to answer questions in the Chiefs post-game locker room on Sunday, he provided no interpretation, no cliff notes, no explanation. The question that drew his first answer of ego was simple: What’s the difference between the Giants team that just registered a fourth victory on the ’09 season and the Chiefs, who had fallen to 0-4?

Now, there are those in the media business who decided that Johnson was talking about his head coach when he used the word ego. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t. L.J. wasn’t providing any more explanations on Monday. So the speculation continued amongst the pundits and fans.

There’s one guy who could care less and that’s the head coach. Todd Haley is winless in his first stab at being a head coach: a 0-4 pre-season and a 0-4 start to the regular season.

But Haley remains steadfast in his beliefs about how the Chiefs will be built. A four-game losing streak has not knocked him off the tracks. He knows only one thing to do: continue to work, in fact work even harder to turn the season around.

“I coach the way I coach and we are going to stay the course,” Haley said on Monday. “We are going to continue to have better and better practices. We are going to continue to have that carry over more to the games than it has. I thought last week was probably our best week of practice to date, so that’s all we can do. That’s all we can control.

“These are difficult times. It’s rough; no one said it was going to be easy. I think the players understand that. They understand the Dallas Cowboys are coming to town in six days and we are playing a game and we have to figure out a way to win.

“We’ll be OK. We’ll be able to stay the course here.”

If anybody is expecting big changes with Haley and how he runs his operation, then think again. There are quite a few critics who believe the roster shuffle that goes down each week, and the multiple changes in who plays and who does not, hurts the team’s continuity.

Haley isn’t buying that excuse.

“There are always going to be things that mess with your continuity,” Haley said, citing injuries as one of those factors. “In this case we are trying to find the guys that give us the best chance to win. You ask me would I go with a guy that gives you less of a chance to win over somebody who gives us a better chance to win for the continuity factor? I’m going to put in the guy that gives you the best chance to win.”

When a coach is 0-4 in his rookie season, he’s methods are going to be placed under a microscope, analyzed and dissected. His decisions are going to be second guessed to death. His words are going to be parsed for value and intent.

Haley understands that, and he’s stood up on occasion and admitted mistakes. He’s done that with his players. He’s even done that with the media. Like any rookie player, every day is a learning experience for the rookie head coach.

“It’s a process and I’d like to think that I’ve learned a ton after four games and hopefully I can use to better this team,” Haley said. “There’s a saying I use all the time: Don’t complain, don’t explain, find solutions. I was taught that a long time ago. I try to follow it. I’m not going to make excuses, we just have to find solutions, find ways to get better and hopefully those experiences we’ve been through to this point will allow us to get better.

“My ego isn’t a factor. I’ll stand up and apologize. I want to get better so I can help this team be its best.”

There’s that ego word again? Does Haley believe Johnson’s use of the word was directed at him?

“You’ll have to ask him,” Haley said. “I wasn’t aware of it until now.”

What Haley needs, what the Chiefs need as a team, what the Chiefs Nation needs is something good to happen with this team. Winning is the only salve that works for any athlete or team.

“I know from past history, if we can get something positive to happen and get a little confidence, and go forward that way, that’s our only chance for success,” Haley said. “If we think about what happened in the past and get caught up in it, and compare it to other times it won’t work.

“It’s right now, at this day and time; we have to stay in the present tense, trying to get better each and every day. I think it’s critical that we keep forging ahead and keep doing the things that give us the best chance to win.”


Turns out that when Eli Manning left Sunday’s Giants-Chiefs game with an injury to his right heel, the New York quarterback was suffering from plantar fasciitis. An MRI showed the problem on Monday morning.

Plantar fasciitis is an irritation and swelling of the thick tissue on the bottom of the foot. The most common complaint is pain in the bottom of the heel, which is exactly what Manning has.

Speaking on a weekly radio appearance that he does in New York, Manning said “My gut feeling always is that I’m gonna play” against the Raiders this Sunday at the Meadowlands.

Manning said the Giants team physician Dr. Russell Warren, told him he could play this weekend as long as he could tolerate the pain.

“They said it’s not as serious an injury as they’ve seen in the before as far as the whole foot hurting.” Manning said. “It’s just a portion of it.

“I’m not real nervous about it. I’ve always been a pretty quick healer, I’m looking forward to tomorrow and seeing how it feels, hopefully it will feel better.’


  • BUCCANEERS – released K Mike Nugent and CB Marcus Hamilton; signed K Shane Andrus.
  • COWBOYS – released RB Chauncey Washington.
  • GIANTS – QB Eli Manning has plantar fasciitis in his right foot and whether he’ll play against the Raiders will depend on his threshold level for dealing with pain.
  • LIONS – placed WR Adam Jennings on the injured-reserve list (ankle); claimed S Marvin White on waivers.
  • RAIDERS – RB Darren McFadden will miss two to four weeks with an injury to his right knee (meniscus).
  • RAVENS – placed LB Brendon Ayanbadejo on the injured-reserve list (quad); signed LB Prescott Burgess.
  • SEAHAWKS – released OT Kyle Williams; re-signed FB Justin Griffith.
  • STEELERS – released RB Isaac Redman; re-signed DL Nick Eason.


On October 6, 1963, the Chiefs beat the Houston Oilers 28-7 in front of 27,801 at Municipal Stadium. On an Indian summer day with temperatures reaching 90 degrees, QB Len Dawson was hot himself. Dawson threw four touchdown passes against the Houston defense as the Chiefs dominated this game from start to finish. Dawson threw a pair of scoring passes to TE Fred Arbanas from four and 14 yards. He connected with WR Chris Burford for a 69-yard score and then WR Frank Jackson for 12 yards and a TD. On the day, Dawson was 14 of 22 for 225 yards with no interceptions. The KC defense made life miserable for Oilers QB George Blanda as they grabbed four interceptions. S Bobby Hunt, LB E.J. Holub, S Johnny Robinson and CB Duane Wood got the picks.

On October 6, 1974, the Chiefs lost 17-14 to the Denver Broncos in front of a crowd of 67,298 at Arrowhead Stadium. The KC offense had problems against the Denver defense, gaining just 170 yards on the afternoon. The only offensive TD was a one-yard run by RB Willie Ellison. The Chiefs other score came on a 28-yard interception return by LB Bobby Bell. That gave KC a 14-3 lead at half-time. But the Broncos got a pair of scoring runs from rookie RB Jon Keyworth to grab the victory.

On October 6, 1985, the Chiefs lost to the Raiders 19-10 at the Los Angeles Coliseum. The KC defense had problems handling Raiders RB Marcus Allen, who ran for 126 yards on 29 carries and caught three passes for another 24 yards of offense. The Chiefs only TD of the game came on a 41-yard pass from QB Bill Kenney to WR Anthony Hancock. The Raiders got five sacks and interceptions of Kenney. The Chiefs had three sacks, two from DE Mike Bell and one from DE Art Still.


Born on October 6, 1960 in Mansfield, Louisiana was CB Albert Lewis. He was a third-round choice in the 1983 NFL Draft out of Grambling. Lewis played 11 seasons in Kansas City (1983-93), appearing in 150 games with 128 starts on the corner. He had 38 interceptions with the Chiefs, along with 555 total tackles and 4.5 sacks. Lewis was one of football’s great punt blockers, getting 10 during his career with the Chiefs. A four-time Pro Bowler, Lewis was the Chiefs MVP for the 1986 season and was named to the Chiefs 25-year All-Time team. He was inducted into the Chiefs Hall of Fame in 2007. Lewis finished his career with five seasons playing for the Raiders. His career totals were 225 games, 42 interceptions, 12.5 sacks. At the age of 38, he returned an interception for the Raiders 74 yards for a touchdown.

Born on October 6, 1952 in Los Angeles was LB Cal Peterson. He joined the Chiefs in 1979, after previously playing three seasons in the league with the Cowboys and Bucs. Peterson spent three seasons with the team (1979-81), appearing in 43 games with 14 starts. Most of his work was done on special teams.

Born on October 6, 1977 in New Orleans was WR Sylvester Morris. He was a first-round choice in the 2000 NFL Draft out of Jackson State. Morris played in 15 games that rookie season, catching 48 passes for 678 yards and three touchdown catches. After that ’00 season, a series of knee injuries kept him off the field and ended his career.

Born on October 6, 1966 in Augusta, Georgia was TE Jimmie Johnson. He joined the Chiefs in 1994, after spending five seasons in the league with the Redskins and Lions. Johnson played in seven games that season for the Chiefs, and caught two passes for seven yards. He finished his career with four seasons playing for the Eagles.

78 Responses to “Ego! What Ego? … Monday Cup O’Chiefs”

  • October 6, 2009  - MattMac44 says:

    For anyone outside of Whitlock …
    ego = confidence.

    The Giants know they have a great shot at winning every week. The Chiefs right now lack confidence. If and when they get the lead … they “Play not to lose, rather than play to win.”

    Good article, Bob.

  • October 6, 2009  - mdchief says:

    We’re about to turn. 4 weeks under the new offense, We seem to have found a solid rt tackle (too early,but Sunday looked good), the run game is starting to click, and the passing game should start to be in much better sync from this point on. 4 weeks is about right, and Cassell missed several weeks of practice. New QB- he should improve incrementally over the next 3 weeks and then really start humming. The schedule won’t hurt. We’re really not in bad shape for a rebuilding team. There’s more talent than people think, given time to get comfortable in the new systems, both offense and defense. My prediction, we play Dallas close. We win 2 of the next 4 and finish the season just under 500 with a solid base set up for next year- right where I though we’d be when we announced last year we were throwing everything out and starting over.

  • October 6, 2009  - Rick says:

    We need to be 2-2 in the second qtr. of the season. I have to see improved play from our defense before I think we can accopmlish this.

  • October 6, 2009  - True Red & Gold says:

    I agree and that is just what Larry was saying. The media would love to see Larry in trouble with his head coach.

    Good article Bob. When do we get treated to a podcast again Bob?

  • October 6, 2009  - Jim Lloyd+ says:

    Time—- had there NOT been a fumble in the first second and a REF. ! that miss called a hit at a place on the field that lessened a chance for a touchdown by a huge margine .
    This would have been a whole different game .
    These are both mistake’s , that were not controllable .
    Getting past these are harder for a team that is scuffeling to get a jump , and being up against a coach and player’s that have played together for several year’s .
    It’s like falling off a trapze and your looking up and wondering how the heck did that happen .
    Bring one game out of the hole ( maybe by trying to fire the ball down the field on every play ) something ?
    Farver hit almost all his passes , Green Bay had a Pass interference call in the Inzone-that was NOT right .
    Little thing’s seem to controll the outcome .
    I think If KC beat’s Dallas , they could go on to win as much as 11 of the last 12 game’s .
    At least there is a coach here that is fighting and is going to turn this around , as opposed to the past .
    I’d say , he’s going to go as far as DIE TRYING .
    He’s giving it all and I’m for it -I love it .
    When he start’s winning , he will never let up and this is what it take’s .
    As a fan , I may forget the past ,but I’ll never forget Todd Haley . I know this now !

  • October 6, 2009  - C.S. says:

    - EGO –

    Please do me a favor and tell Todd Hailey to stay strong, keep the blinders on, don’t listen to the laity, and keep doing what he’s doing.

    You said the key words to why he will be successful. It’s hard to count the number of leaders we can quote that have basically said, when the going gets tough…. work harder. I think that’s what Todd Hailey is doing. Of course, leaders also know that you must also work smarter, and I believe that he’s doing that too. I have faith in the current leadership at Arrowhead. The only about 15% (or less) of the reason for the ‘CHEFS’ dismal performance to this point should be blamed on the leadership. If you have to blame a leader,…. one that’s active at Arrowhead, I think the most blame falls on the Hunt Family. “Patience is a virtue…” folks. At least it is in this case; where we have the right leaders.

    PS – My God! Can we do something about this hot large chested woman riding the new Warpaint when the Chiefs score? There should be strong Indian male riding the horse, dressed in full war gear, and amped up!. Bringing back a Warpaint is a great idea. However, putting an attractive white female on the Warpaint is stooping to the Denver Broncos level. And she’s on a saddle???!!! Come on! That’s about as authentic as ….. (go figure). Based on this, and how the Chiefs are playing. We should just call it what it is. Squaw-Paint. Someone fix this. It’s a total sell out and in bad taste.



  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Of course Haley has a big ego. Name some NFL coaches who don’t.

    In many cases, “ego” is what drives successful people to BE successful. In sports, in business, in anything.

  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    C.S. says:
    “PS – My God! Can we do something about this hot large chested woman riding the new Warpaint when the Chiefs score?”

    Are you crazy??? She has basically been the highlight of the home games so far. The only problem has been that the Chiefs can’t score enough points to get her out on the field more. And you want to see a “strong Indian male” out there? Wow. I don’t know what else to say.

  • October 6, 2009  - Josh says:

    Mad Chief,

    You hit the nail on the head with ego and successful NFL coaches.

    I would like to quote one of the most influential hip-hop acts of the 1990′s, A Tribe Called Quest:

    “Ego – I’m on my own jock still, ’cause if I don’t say I’m the best, tell me who the Hell will?”

    Ego is a driving force for those who will be the most successful in life.

  • October 6, 2009  - Randy says:

    Hey Bob, Who did that portrait of Albert Lewis? It’s really good.

  • October 6, 2009  - gorillafan says:


  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    I thought there for awhile that Bob pulled the car over.


  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:


    Rin’s good friend Merriam-Webster stated “ego” is via definition “the self especially as contrasted with another self or the world.”

    Larry Johnson’s on pace for his worst season ever in terms of tds (0) scored and yards per carry at (2.6) – pretty self’less’ if you ask me Merriam.

    Other selves & worlds perhaps?

    Can’t be the angry self, Lar – hasn’t been seen these parts for seasons now, since the wardrobe change.

    The world? A new if lesser nee not brave one the rudder- er, leadership One Arrowhead?

    Todd Haley’s on pace for the worst season ever in the history of the franchise in terms of wins (0) and already off to the worst start (0-8) the city has ever seen- ergo more than ego, go the chiefs.

    Et tu $avior?

    Matt Ca$$el is ranked 20th in the NFL behind guys like Seneca Wallace & Shaun Hill… his 5.1 yards per pass puts him in good company too, names like Jamarcus Russell. Be $tat$ ever so humble there’s no one like dough.

    Clancy’s Clan?

    The KC defense is giving up 28 points or 4 tds per game which ranks them 30th out of 32 teams – Yeah! Take THAT Browns & Lions- we’ll show you selfless (and soulless, and heartless, and…)

    No it must have been those ‘otherworldly’ 4-0 NY Giants that Lar referred to; whew, what a relief – things are still on track here in KC after all.

    :cool: daddy-o

  • October 6, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    Sorry for the above post, all the articles had “No Comments” this morning, I was checking to see if it was the web site or my pos computer.

  • October 6, 2009  - Jim Lloyd+ says:

    Does any one know if Brodie might play , this Sunday ?

  • October 6, 2009  - Rick says:

    Did any one else think the star spangled banner was horrible at the game sunday??? I like listening to KISS but I thought he butchered the playing really bad.

  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Jim Lloyd+ says:
    “Does any one know if Brodie might play , this Sunday ?”

    I certainly hope not, Jim. The Chiefs have enough problems. Why on Earth would we want our back-up QB in the game?

  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:

    Beautiful! No holds barred insight theirs- Petro and Grunhard on WHB 810 just finished a ROASTING Pioli, Haley & the KC Chiefs organization… the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    Course, they must not be “true” Chiefs fans as such to do such a thing… huh.


  • October 6, 2009  - Larry says:

    sports talk radio is a business that thrives on controversy – just ask new york or phili

  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:

    Rin was a veteran of radio: management, on-air and advertising… my comments/WHB’s truths stand.


  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Rin says:
    “Beautiful! No holds barred insight theirs- Petro and Grunhard on WHB 810 just finished a ROASTING Pioli, Haley & the KC Chiefs organization… the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.”

    Certainly. Because we all know that those talk radio guys speak “nothing but the truth”, right? Please.

  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:

    Already addressed by Rin post before…


    - Rin loves it when they beg…


  • October 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    To Mad….. Well how bout Brodie was the starter last year/ Played better in the ravens game than Cassel has played since – scored more points – hasn’t throw ed 2 ints in one game- OF has look flat since Cassel started – was out played in preseason by Brodie…. Gosh I don’t no why anyone would want to see if Brodie might play better in a game ???????? PnS

  • October 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    Plus I well go on believing Brodie would have won the Raider game … between the lines in Haley,s comments in these articles he is saying Cassel cost us the Raiders game ……I believe he did . PNs

  • October 6, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    Brodie sucks, everyone wanted to trade him last year, he can not make it one year without injury ect, cassel is our franchise qb, is a better qb, has proven himself more than brodie, get over it and forget about it!!

  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:

    Croyle is the far better QB than ca$$el and Brodie should be the starter.


  • October 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    If we are to believe that the best player well start ……Then what do you or anyone have against proving that point!!!!!!The proof is in the winning…… You well never know until they let them . What would it hurt ….in a mop up roll when the game is not in doubt ……to see if Brodie moves this team unless you are scared that he just might. That could get back to egos ( I hope Not ) that some don’t want to be seen as making a mistake on a Millions dollar player ……Note I said I Hope Not PnS

  • October 6, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    RIN, im not debating with you, I never read your post, okay. thats it.

    But would say that you have changed your post some after Bobs statement, but you still are a chiefs hater, so it doesnt really matter. but thanks tho

    And by the way, Cassel won games last year, what 10, whats brodies record, 0? So I know it takes a team to win, but a bad qb cant win games,

    So I commented to you, and I probably never will again!

  • October 6, 2009  - gorillafan says:


    Brodie has had 2 YEARS plus to do that and he hasnt

  • October 6, 2009  - Shoe says:

    Ah, the next episode of LJ and the media trying to explain what they think LJ meant.

    Nice change up from thinking about whiffs on blocks and other problems.

  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Personally, I can’t see where Cassel has cost us a game. Certainly not the Raiders game. Our Defense cost us the game on that one.

    Yes PnS, the Offense has looked flat since Cassel has started. The ENTIRE Offense. If everyone else had looked sharp, and Cassel looked flat…then I might agree.

    Some Chiefs fans sure crack me up when it comes to QB’s. Not that long ago, it was “Brokie” Croyle and how bad he sucks, he can’t take a hit, he should be cut or traded, blah blah blah. And now, some are calling for him to start. Not to even mention all the Thigpen hype and soap opera.

    Everyone is free to believe what they want. So you guys that want Croyle to start, that’s certainly your right to think that. But I, the coaches, and probably 95% of the other Chiefs fans disagree with you.

    Like I said yesterday, though…you could put Manning, Brady, or Brees in our line-up right now and still not come away with a win. The whole Offensive unit is going to have to step it up in order to win, not just the QB.

  • October 6, 2009  - Scott D says:

    The one thing no one can dispute is that Cassel was VERY inaccurate on Sunday. His passes were behind, or low, and just not where they needed to be. The one thing most everyone agrees to is that Croyle’s strength is his accuracy. At some point, it may not be right now, if Cassel’s problems continue, Croyle will have to be considered. It isn’t what we wanted, but, to quote a famous politician – it is what it is.

  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Well, this continued cry of some that “the best players are not starting” continues to amuse me. QB or otherwise.

    Listen, Haley would put his Mother in the line up right now if he thought it would give the team a win. Trust me.

    He’s playing the guys that he feels give the team the best chance to win. You may not agree with his decisions, but he IS playing who HE feels the best players are.

  • October 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    I & a lot of fans are looking for answers ……refuse to leave any stone unturned to accomplish that QB/RB/OF line/any player regardless of draft/money/ego/coach/ ….that might change the outcome of the game.That is what GM/Coach said when they came here ….for the most part they have. To Me/Others the only place they haven’t is QB ….just prove it then we well say OK ……what do we have to lose on that regard >PNS

  • October 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    To me the only thing that the chiefs if Brodie was to start & win ………Drum Roll ……Ego…..I hope i am wrong ….& well gladly say so on this blog . PnS

  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:


    We’re all frustrated with losing. No doubt.

    I think a big part of what’s wrong with the Offense right now is continuity. The shuffling around, different guys in and out…going back to preseason. Cassel lost a couple of games due to injury. Bowe was out. The revolving door at TE. These guys have to learn to all play together as a unit. Changing QB’s at this point would only make things worse.

  • October 6, 2009  - mdchief says:

    Let’s assume, and i don’t, that Brodie is the better talent. If you replace Cassell and Brodie goes out AGAIN, what does that do for your credibility and his confidence when you put him back in. It would be a very bad move to change the starter right now.

  • October 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    That is an assumption that hasn’t been proven … until we have the answer by playing Brodie …..even if its at the end of the game. Plus if Brodie looks good a trade for him is then possible PNs

  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Cassel knows he has to play better, and has said so. I like that. I’m willing to give him the chance to do so.

  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:

    GORILLAMAN, im not debating with you, I never read your post, okay. thats it.

    “But would say that you have changed your post some after Bobs statement”

    - Rin has changed nothing nor at all Himself, He posts EXACTLY as he always has. What has changed nee the difference you see are the profane posts of others – GONE – & this blog is the better for it… Rin thanks Bob G for said!

    “but you still are a chiefs hater, so it doesnt really matter. but thanks tho”

    - but you are still a :shock: & :roll: nee chiefs apologist, so it doesn’t matter. but thanks tho

    “And by the way, Cassel won games last year”

    - yes, ‘by the way’ as in ‘coincidentally’; he took a perfect team from the season before and led it to 5 fewer wins and missed the playoffs despite the auspices himself, Belichick, Pioli, … give that man a Pabst Blue Ribbon!

    “what 10″

    - well if you’re not certain (and wrong too)…

    “whats brodies record”

    - better than ca$$el’s: mutt is 0-3 & Brodie 0-1, but you remember what :roll: said “we’re starting over this week: we’re 0-0″ …right… ‘check’

    heh heh heh!


    - as in ‘the haleymanity’…

    “So I know it takes a team to win, but a bad qb cant win games”

    - thus is mutt 3x worse than Croyle by your own standard… if you like to revisit days gone by, Rin shall trot out this one: “how many games did ca$$el win at USC?” Alright then, “how many did he start there?”

    Bama’ Brodie wins both games & starts, hands down…

    “So I commented to you, and I probably never will again!”

    - promises promises…


  • October 6, 2009  - Jim Lloyd+ says:

    Mad—-I don’t know how Brodie has lasted this long,out injured alot ?
    But , instead of him starting , if Todd started Matt—– and he goes till they have to punt ———then Brodie———–then ?????

    He does have an arm !
    With all this movement that is going down ,any way it would not shake much up .
    Then 3 and out and as the QB ,your OUT !!!
    O – S*IT >>>>>

  • October 6, 2009  - Tim says:

    Everybody needs to get a grip. This was NEVER going to be a pretty season. There has been too much change on a shorter than normal timetable. There IS too little talent, etc. The schedule is a killer. I mean really…are there that many of you that thought there was a realistic chance of doing anything better than 1-3 AT BEST? You really won’t know anything until the second half of the season, and even then we have to play Pittsburgh.

    Hopefully, some stability will come to fruition in more positions for the remainder of the year. I believe it will be a busy offseason. Next year will be a much better indicator of what’s going on.

  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    I also love the “Cassel won with a better team in New England” continuing argument.

    Exactly. Excellent point. So give the man some talent HERE to work with, and the Chiefs offense will be just fine.

  • October 6, 2009  - ThunderChief says:

    October 6, 2009 – Tim says:
    Everybody needs to get a grip. This was NEVER going to be a pretty season. There has been too much change on a shorter than normal timetable. There IS too little talent, etc. The schedule is a killer. I mean really…are there that many of you that thought there was a realistic chance of doing anything better than 1-3 AT BEST? You really won’t know anything until the second half of the season, and even then we have to play Pittsburgh.

    Hopefully, some stability will come to fruition in more positions for the remainder of the year. I believe it will be a busy offseason. Next year will be a much better indicator of what’s going on.


    How much slack are you going to give this franchise? Ck the W-L for the past 3 seasons and ask yourself what other failed franchises would compare? Detroit? OK, new coach, new QB, and at least they’re showing signs of life.

    The Chiefs are continuing to spiral downward into the ether world abyss of non NFL significance!!!! Clark Hunt has tried. He needs to try harder. Pioli/Haley are losers.

    LOSERS! Ck the coaching. Ck the draft. Ck the results. LOSERS. Time to cut bait again. I say, bring in Marty and allow him to sort it out…AGAIN.

  • October 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    Dog … take it personally ….debate doesn’t have to be personal …….state your case try not to take shots with your blog . You have a point ….as we all do . Let it slide ….debate .PnS

  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:

    “Mad Chief said

    “So give the man some talent HERE to work with, and the Chiefs offense will be just fine.”

    - ditto for Brodie Croyle…or Tyler Thigpen… or just about any QB – the proof being when the names back the jerseys be not Moss, Welker et al, ‘stead Wade, Bradley & Joe Schmo, $63 mill looks like just as much hooey…


  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:

    Rin said nothing personal – fought one posters fire with His own same… recheck in order, yours


  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:

    “Style’s” what it is, and “class”; Rin well endowed with both; you use whatever is that your maker gave you Anon, as will Rin….

    Now, back to this 0-8 debacle

    :cool: daddy-o

  • October 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    Try to be the better man …..turn the cheek see if it works …..if not just Bull your way through .PnS

  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Rin says:

    “- ditto for Brodie Croyle…or Tyler Thigpen… or just about any QB – the proof being when the names back the jerseys be not Moss, Welker et al, ’stead Wade, Bradley & Joe Schmo, $63 mill looks like just as much hooey…”

    And if you put Manning or Brady or Brees under Center for the Chiefs right now, they would look like “hooey” too.

    You guys crack me up. QB is the LEAST of the Cheifs worries right now.

  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:

    “be the better man”

    - I’ve no choice in that matter…

    “turn the cheek see if it works”

    - no, still smells of 0-8 in Kaycee…

    “Bull your way through”

    - I leave you to your area of expertise…

    Now to break up this reverie, a football thot:

    DALL 34 – chiefs 13


  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:

    “And if you put Manning or Brady or Brees under Center for the Chiefs right now, they would look like “hooey” too.”

    - well then, if you left in or now returned Herm Edwards to HC they would look no worse… so why hire a former golf coach never ever was football player & who’s claim to fame is his father?

    :shock: Yes, shocking we know ‘search’…

  • October 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    The statement in Bull was not in Sh** …..but as Bull in China Cabinet PnS

  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:

    The heck you say…


  • October 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    You know dog I can see you falling off a cliff saying Herms the Man….. Your fortitude is amazing …..what does it feel like …..banging the drum when no one hears. PnS

  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:

    You know non, if a tree (Rin’s wit) falls (on your reverie) in a forest (blog) – and no one (you this case) claims to hear it, do the echoes torment any less?

    :roll: says he doesn’t hear things or listen to others too- just look at where it’s gotten him…

    :cool: daddy-0

  • October 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    Mad Chief stop comparing Manning,Brees and Brady 2 Cassell. If we had any 1 of these QB we would be 2-2 or maybe 3-1. U say we wouldnt win with either 1 than prove it…dont just throw sh**t in the air and call it rain! What I do know is we have Cassell and we are 0-4. Lol…..I say we cut Cassell and take the salary cap hit its obvious Pioli could care less b/c he gave 63 mill 2 a career back-up.

  • October 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    ATTENTION ALL KC FANS: THERE IS NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT CASSELL….I REPEAT NOTHING SPECIAL….Sort of like when Trent Dilfer inherited that great defense and won a super bowl!

  • October 6, 2009  - Jim Lloyd+ says:

    Evan Trent thought that was something !

  • October 6, 2009  - Alexthe"GREAT" says:

    Those 2 post belong 2 the GREAT!

  • October 6, 2009  - Alexthe"GREAT" says:

    Lol….Eric Hicks just blasted our new regime calling it “toxic” over at arrowhead pride and he has current players as sources.

  • October 6, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    you will be eating those words next later on!! anon

  • October 6, 2009  - Bakjon says:

    First of all NE would not have gone perfect even if Brady had been QB so to make the argument Cassell cost them five games is stupid. He has still won 10 games on the pro level whereas Brodie still hasn’t won a game yet!!!! Right now everyone has to get on the same page as there have been so many changes. No one gave them a chance to be in the game at the end against the Ravens but for a couple of palys who knows what the outcome would have been. They should have won the Oakland game but once again a couple of plays did in KC. The Eagles and Giants games were disasters but at one point they were close but a paly or two did them in. If they can eliminate the silly mistakes and make those one or two plays they can turn this around. It will take hard work but the only team left that really has a considerable advantage over the Chiefs is Pittsburgh. Denver has been lucky, San Diego has talent but bad coaching, Oakland is Oakland, and if you look at Dallas, Washington, Buffalo, Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Jacksonville none of them are so overwhelmingly dominate teams or are playoff teams. If the Chiefs can split the remainder of their or win 7 or 8 then the season will have been a success. This Sunday begins the turnaround.

  • October 6, 2009  - Alexthe"GREAT" says:

    Wow!!!!!!! Denver is LUCKY…..WOW!!!!!!!! They only have the number 1 ranked defense in the league. Lmao……..the only difference between us and Den. is that thier career backup QB makes plays while we continue 2 make excuses for ours. Orton had the most pressure on a QB that I’ve seen in a long time and he is handling it like a REAL winner not like the overpaid dyson vacuum cleaner we have at QB. Kudos 2 Orton even though I hate u and your franchise!

  • October 6, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    HA, that was funny, the donkeys have been lucky, but they have a pretty good team. they had the talent there last year too imo. We cant make excuses, but we WILL get better very soon.

  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Anonymous says:

    “Mad Chief stop comparing Manning,Brees and Brady 2 Cassell. If we had any 1 of these QB we would be 2-2 or maybe 3-1.”

    I’m not comparing Cassel to anybody. I’m saying that if you took any one of those guys and put them in our line up right now, we wouldn’t be doing any better. 2-2 or 3-1? That’s so laughable…I can’t say any more. No one, but you obviously, believes that.

  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    I swear, you guys that think Cassel is the problem with the Chiefs Offense…don’t know dick about football. Yeah, it’s all Cassel. It couldn’t be the crappy O-line. Surely, it’s not the lack of good receivers. The effed-up play calling half the time? No way! And of course it’s not the pathetic running game. It’s all Matt Cassel’s fault! Bring on Brodie Croyle, our Saviour! He’ll take care of all that, and MORE!!! We’d be 4-0 and on our way to the Bowl if only that damn Matt Cassel wasn’t a Chief!!!

    Keep on bangin’ your drum, guys. I’m done with the subject. Cassel is the starter because he’s the best QB on the Chiefs roster. End of story. Don’t like it? Call Todd Haley.

  • October 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    To Mad…. While this anom didn’t blog those last posts …..I cant help but say that any true chiefs fan ……wants too be wrong…… when it comes to being negative on our chiefs . If you have to tell us….. told you so …….great .I hope you are right …….We both win then!!!!!PnS

  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:


    Don’t want to say any “told ya so’s”. Hey, I’m not claiming Cassel will be the next Peyton Manning, guys. My real hope is, that he’ll be another Trent Green. Good, solid, smart, and a leader. In the grand scheme of the Chiefs team right now, though…QB is the least of our worries. I’d just like to see everybody get off the guy’s ass for a minute. The whole team is playing like crap for the most part…and everybody is making mistakes, from the coach on down. To single out Cassel as “THE” problem is insane!!!

  • October 6, 2009  - Rin says:

    Bakjon uttered

    “First of all NE would not have gone perfect even if Brady had been QB”

    - prove it…

    Brady > > ca$$el; likewise, Brodie Croyle > > ca$$el


  • October 6, 2009  - el cid says:

    Gosh, are we so desperate the we waste this blog on who is better Cassel or Croyle? Unless Haley changes his mind, it is a massive waste today. Folks, Haley thinks the season record today is 0-0, that is about as positive thinking as you get. Haley likes the new RT, a guy no one wanted until the season had started. You might as well start deciding who the Chiefs should grab in the draft. There must be something better.

  • October 6, 2009  - Jim Lloyd+ says:

    I don’t think Brodie is any kind of a saviour he does not know how to bring a game to an end and win . He’s been beaten over and over , but to solve the three and out promblem , Start- Matt & if he goes 3 & out -ROTATE- in with Brodie on next possesion . If Brodie get’s 1st dn’s and scores , Matt watches untill Brodie goes 3 & out !
    THEN ROTATE !—-Whoever is in has to really get in the Inzone to stay in!!
    This is like you better start racking up point’s or else it’ your —-whatever !!!
    I am trying to say ( don’t worry about the game , the ROTATION ) If one QB STARTS SCORING ON EVERY POSSESION just to stay in and keep the job.
    THEY don’t get paid for winning , they get paid for being the STAR , Hello , with these 3 , the Chief’s have a PEFERCT STORM brewing .
    All it takes to win is GET the BALL down field

  • October 6, 2009  - Jim Lloyd+ says:

    Another thing KC now has about the same team’s in front of them as Denver had , NOW KC has had to work harder than Denver , I think KC is more ready than DENVER and show them so .

  • October 6, 2009  - Alexthe"GREAT" says:

    Nice post Jorge….all I’m saying is this any team can stack the line and take out your superstar which is LJ IMO. I’m sure most saw that happen 2 Peterson on Mon. night, but when u have a dynamic QB he will make u pay and thats what Farve did. Every team we have played thus far has put 9 in the box and taunted Cassel into beating them down field. What has Cassell done…nothing but check down 2 RB’s and scramble like his head was missing. I just dont think Cassel is dynamic enough 2 beat a TEAM by himself good or bad(Rahdus). I hope he proves me wrong…but 96 percent of the time i’m dead on.

  • October 6, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Alexthe”GREAT” says:
    ” I just dont think Cassel is dynamic enough 2 beat a TEAM by himself good or bad(Rahdus).”

    Exactly. Cassel was not brought to the Chiefs to beat teams “by himself”. He was brought here to be a piece of the puzzle. A small part of the big picture.

    Favre also has slightly better options to “make u pay” than the Chiefs do…wouldn’t you say?

  • October 6, 2009  - Jim Lloyd+ says:

    Alex –Todd is not going to let Matt start sling the ball 25 yd’s .
    QB rateing down to 20 with alot of picks , Mr.Bertt can do what he want’s and most of the time he hit’s his reciver . It ain’t that easy ,and that does’nt come over night as a rule .
    Take’s special eye-hand cordination that a lot of these guy’s themselvs dont even know they have .

  • October 7, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    Ah 62 mil says you better be more than a small part of a big picture !!!!!! At 62 mil you better be the 2nd coming of Bret Favre . That is all I got too say . PnS

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