Chiefs Update 10/2
From the Truman Sports Complex
The Chiefs went through a two-hour practice on a perfect fall afternoon on Thursday.
Nothing changed on the injury front according to Herm Edwards.
LT Branden Albert and LB Donnie Edwards did not practice and will not play against Carolina. Edwards is making a good recovery from his right ankle injury. Albert’s right elbow remains swollen according to Edwards.
QB Brodie Croyle, CB Pat Surtain, CB Dimitri Patterson and DE Tamba Hali were limited participants in the work. Croyle seems to be throwing the ball very well at this point and Edwards said the quarterback has no shoulder soreness from his work this week. When the Chiefs defense faces the scout team, Croyle moves to another field with a receiver and runs a few pass plays under the watchful eye of QB coach Dick Curl.
Surtain (shoulder) and Patterson (quadriceps) took some limited reps in the team portion of the practice, but it’s likely one of the two will be inactive for this Sunday’s game against the Panthers, according to Edwards.
Man! Another 2 hr. practice? I guess, That’s ok. Maybe Herms hoping to keep all this youth from hitting the proverbial wall towards the end of the season.
Keep getting well, Brodie.
If Damon Huard and the Chiefs play well on Sunday in Carolina, I can already hear the oncoming tidal wave of Brodie-hate. Joy.
—Tim
Huard should hold the job until:
a) We are effectively out of any playoff hopes (more than just currently expecting to be)
b) Croyle actually WINS the job in practice, rather than being given the job
c) Huard gets hurt (actually hurt, not the fake/overstated injury of the Raiders game)
The only thing I would change Jay A is, I would switch a & b, Assuming you were listing them in order.
But also, I would add, Coryle needs to see some real playing time between now and the off season.
I want to know if he is capable of even being a 2 in this league.
And the Croyle-hating begins early…
I love it that people continue to perpetuate some notion that Brodie Croyle played poorly in the New England game prior to being injured.
He played well, guys. It happened. I watched it.
The Chiefs spent an entire offseason building the offensive scheme and tailoring it to fit Brodie Croyle’s strengths. If you decide to keep Croyle on the bench, even after he is ready to return, then you are basically closing the book on Croyle as the starter, which I personally think is premature at this point.
Of course, many people were ready to write Croyle off before the season even started, which is just dripping with logic and fact-based reasoning. If you think we’re on our way to a Superbowl this season with Damon Huard starting at quarterback, then by all means, keep him at the top of the depth chart. If not, let’s see more than 2 and a half quarters’ worth of Croyle with this offense before we run him out of town.
—Tim
I’m with you, Tim. The Chiefs need to settle the Brody Croyle question THIS season. The only way that’s gonna happen is if he plays.
Croyle will start as soon as he is healthy, and he had better not get injured again.
He had 16 games this season in which the Chiefs could determine if he were the long term answer at QB…now he’ll only have 11, maybe 12. We need him in the game so we can evaluate him.
I want Brodie to be the starting QB again….IMO, if he is well enough to be throwing he should be on the active game day roster to be AT LEAST the #2 QB.
In reality, if Brodie is throwing without pain, than he should be starting this week. Lets not forget Huard has had ‘ghost’ sacks, and quit on the team this year as well as last year.
We need to know if the chiefs need to spend a high draft pick on another qb.
Tim
Absolutely - we didn’t see Croyle with “100+ yds per game” Larry, only with “run into Adrian Jones butt” Larry
Amen brother. I personnaly think Croyle can be the guy, but, he needs to be on the field and prove it. Next years draft should be the last of the “base” team that we’ll see for the next few years. The quaterback that’s going to lead this team needs to be in place soon.
I hope Croyle is the guy, I like him, I want him to be the guy!
But! I will say again, we have to determine his ability or his position. CAN he be the # 1 or is he a solid # 2? That decision needs to be made before the draft and, the off season free agency period.
Hey, I’m rooting for Brodie too. I just think it’s in our best interest if he EARNS the starting spot and not have it handed to him in some ill-conceived in-season experiment.
what kind of message does that send to the rest of the team if he’s just handed the job? What kind of message does that send to Brodie? Is he not as “hungry” if he’s handed the job?
Fact is, Brodie couldn’t win the starting job when there was competition in camp last year. This year, there was no competition in camp and it was just given to him.
Maybe it’ll work out, but my humble philosophy is that players should have to earn their starting spot.
Well, Croyle *is* the starting quarterback of the team. He was the starter in Week 1, and didn’t lose his job via poor play or ineffectiveness. He was injured.
When a starter gets injured, only a Kurt Warner-like or Tom Brady-like performance by the backup should realistically displace the previous starter.
Brodie earned the respect of his teammates and coaches through the offseason, training camp, and preseason. Huard wouldn’t be getting “benched” in favor of a player who didn’t “earn” the spot. Huard would be finishing his job and his role as backup quarterback and yielding the job back to the healthy starter.
That’s the way I see it, at least. Brodie starts until he truly fails, which hasn’t happened yet, contrary to the opinions of some.
—Tim
Timinkc - I think you need to look at the reasoning as well..Their is a perfect reason people wrote off brodie croyle and that has to do with the fact that he was 0-7 last year..He played okay in the new england game..His performance wasn’t bad or good..Funny how Damon came into the game and immediately got the offense going right away isn’t it?
The only reason I say we bring Brodie in is because we’re trying to see if he is the guy..And your right, this offense has been customized to fit his strengths..Personally, they either need to bring brodie in and let him throw down the field but if their not going to do that then let huard play because Huard is my boy!
I think TimInKC makes alot of sense. Odds are this team isn’t going to the Super Bowl this year whether Damon Huard starts or not. I think it will help this team enormously NEXT year to know for sure whether or not Croyle deserves to be a starter or not. If he plays well this year, we won’t even have to consider a QB in round 1. We could get another OT like Oher or Monroe or maybe a MLB like Laurinitis or Maualuga. If we know for sure that Croyle can’t hack it next year based on playing time THIS year, then we can start talking Tebow, Stafford, Daniel, Painter or some guy off the free agent heap.
Right now, until we see more of Croyle, it’s just impossible to fairly say.
Mike, Brodie Croyle was not 0-7 last year. The Kansas City Chiefs were 0-7 last year. Placing the losses at the feet of Brodie Croyle is far too simplistic and doesn’t take into account too many factors that led to the poor season other than the play of the quarterback position. The Kansas City Chiefs were 0-7 last year.
As far as Huard coming into the New England game and “immediately getting the offense going”, I must have been watching a different Chiefs-Patriots game. I saw a Damon Huard who was 8-12 for 118 yards, which would have been 7-11 for 50 yards if not for a 68-yard catch and run by Devard Darling on a blown coverage by the Patriots late in the game. Add to this the fact that in the 4th quarter (in which Huard saw nearly all of his playing time), the Chiefs were in catch-up mode, with little attempt to run (as the running attack failed while Croyle was in the game) while trying to pick up bigger chunks of yards through the air. (Always beware of quarterback stats late in games–they can be very misleading.)
Additionally, wasn’t it great how Huard really “got the offense going” in the Oakland game in Week 2? See, you can’t give Huard credit for good offensive performances and absolve him when the offense struggles. Offensive production has to be graded based on the play of the unit, not based on who is playing quarterback.
No one is going to say the Croyle didn’t struggle last season, least of all me. But the entire Chiefs offense, if not the entire TEAM, struggled last season. If Brodie Croyle had played behind the pass protection that Damon Huard saw last week against Denver, or been supported by a dominant running game like we saw in the second half of the Atlanta game as well as the Denver game, it’s entirely possible that Brodie Croyle could achieve the same success the Huard has had.
I believe Croyle can be successful if the offense around him performs well, just as it did against the Broncos with Huard at quarterback.
—Tim
Preach It Brother! Preach It!
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Here’s hoping the Chiefs pass rush can get something going. The Panther’s offensive line is real banged up right now.
greed. Now would be a fine time for the Chiefs’ defensive ends to step up and get to the quarterback.
“Agreed”, that is.
Croyle looked great in training camp. You saw him throw 19 passes this year. Huard was terrible in training camp. He’s thrown more than Croyle this year, but hasn’t been too impressive. Only an idiot would want to risk the future of the franchise to MAYBE get another couple wins this season. I’m fine losing, as long as I know there will be an end to it. Road looks promising, Huard will jump off the road in a year or two though. Croyle haters are just ill informed idiots who want to win 4 games this year.
Adam, what’s up with your anger?
By the way, Huard had a 97.4 rating in preseason, I don’t know how that could be considered “terrible”. On the flipside, Croyle’s QB rating was 65.6… not that preseason stats hold all that much weight.
If were talking numbers then the ones that stick out most in my mind is not croyles 0-7 record as a starter but being injured in 3 of those 7. Word on the street is Croyle can make “all the throws”…I like Croyle and agree that he has a big league arm…however you cant make any throws from the sideline. When Croyle gets back in the starting lineup he MUST not get injured again this season, causing him to miss more games. As far as using a high draft pick on a QB if Croyle proves not to pan out…that just scares the !@#$ out of me. I feel we should look at ANY other position as our #1 pick. Too risky in my opinion.
Again, I agree. Brodie Croyle absolutely needs to stay healthy if he wants the Chiefs to stay committed to him. If he comes back and ends up going right back into the trainer’s room with another injury, I will fully support the Chiefs if they decide to look at other quarterback options.
That said, I also think pretty much any quarterback would have suffered an injured shoulder if they had Adalius Thomas slamming them down onto their throwing shoulder the way he did to Croyle.
Brodie needs to show he can stay healthy for a significant stretch of time, there’s no two ways about it. But I’m willing to give him a shot at it rather than sticking with Damon Huard and still leave the whole Brodie Croyle situation ambiguous.
—Tim
Tim - Are you kiddingme? The oakland game? Give me a break..The coaches took him out after six plays..That is not fair at all. He was hardly even in the game.Herm wanted to experiment with Thigpen and that’s that..But the Oakland game really doesn’t add anything to your arguement..I agree Brodie should come back but only to see if he is going to be the qb of the future..And no the chiefs lost their last nine games of the season last year and brodie was qb for most of them..I’m tired of these short passes, I wish management would let him throw down field