Camp Rankings Week #1 … Monday Cup O’Chiefs

From St. joseph, Missouri

I’ve watched every snap of Chiefs training camp and I can assure you at this point there is not a lot of evidence available to start talking about taking 85 players down to 53 over the next four weeks. And heaven knows, the way last week finished up there’s a chance those last five roster spots might be filled this week as well.

With a game coming up at the end of the week I would expect the last 35 guys on the roster to get the bulk of the playing time. While I’m sure Todd Haley and his coaching staff would love to get the starters out there for a couple of possessions that will depend on the condition of the individual players.

We plan to provide rankings each week of the NFL pre-season on the Chiefs roster and our thoughts on what we’ve seen from the practices and game. With the first 10 days of camp being so unusual because of the post-lockout conditions and new NFL rules about camp and practice, there is not a lot of perspective available on the collection of talent assembled by Pioli/Haley.

Under those conditions, here are the 85 players listed in four categories:

  • A.) Locks – they are going to be there for the Buffalo game.
  • B.) Core Group – ascending and descending players that have a place.
  • C.) Border Line – fighting for the last five to eight roster spots.
  • D.) Flat Line – it’s hard to see their ’11 future wearing in red and gold.

These rankings are for your amusement only. Feel free to disagree at any point. And please, no wagering.

CLASS A – Roster Locks

# Player

Position

Comments
1. Matt Cassel

QB

The leader of the offense
2. Jamaal Charles

RB

Won’t be 25 until December 
3. Le’Ron McClain

FB

Can lift the run game higher
4. Jonathan Baldwin

WR

Needs to stay healthy
5. Dwayne Bowe

WR

It’s a contract year; he’s primed
6. Steve Breaston

WR

Skills can help on 3rd downs
7. Tony Moeaki

TE

Must find a way to stay healthy
8. Branden Albert

OT

Need more consistent pass pro
9. Jon Asamoah

G

Continues to be star of ’10 draft
10. Ryan Lilja

G

Veteran moves back to left side
11. Barry Richardson

OT

Whipping boy for fans & media
12. Glenn Dorsey

DE

Continued improvement a must
13. Wallace Gilberry

DE

Could advance to full-time DE
14. Tamba Hali

OLB

Another chapter in great KC LBs
15. Derrick Johnson

ILB

Catch those interceptions DJ
16. Andy Studebaker

OLB

He gets his chance to shine
17. Eric Berry

SS

No sophomore jinx for this guy
18. Brandon Carr

CB

Big ’11 equals big payday in ’12
19. Brandon Flowers

CB

Big ’11 equals big payday in ’12
20. Kendrick Lewis

FS

Must stay healthy/available
21. Dustin Colquitt

P

Solid punter seeks consistency
22. Ryan Succop

K

Solid kicker seeks consistency

CLASS B – Core Group

#

Player

Position

Comments

1.

Thomas Jones

RB

In career finale he can still produce

2.

Dexter McCluster

RB

Must stay healthy for production

3.

Rodney Hudson

C/G

Soaking up all the Casey W. he can

4.

Casey Wiegmann

C

Still able to go out with a bang

5.

Allen Bailey

DE

Physically gifted; potential shows

6.

Kelly Gregg

NT

One-year stop gap at 35.

7.

Tyson Jackson

DE

He should be in Class A; he’s not

8.

Jerrell Powe

NT

Light on his feet for a big man

9.

Jovan Belcher

ILB

Overachiever won’t go quietly

10.

Justin Houston

OLB

Maturity questions cloud our view

11.

Gabe Miller

OLB

Nice look of an edge pass rusher

12.

Brandon Siler

ILB

Can he lift himself into a starter?

13.

Javier Arenas

CB

Little man needs end zone time

14.

Jalil Brown

CB

Big, cover guy; may be safety

15.

Cory Greenwood

ILB

Canadian continues to impress

CLASS C – Border Line

#

Player

Position

Comments

1.

Tyler Palko

QB

Major improvement in last 2 yrs

2.

Ricky Stanzi

QB

Struggling in first days of camp

3.

Shane Bannon

FB

Struggling in first days of camp

4.

Jackie Battle

RB

A survivor who has some skills

5.

Tervaris Johnson

RB

Big back must stay available

6.

Mike Cox

FB

Never count him out; a survivor

7.

Terrance Copper

WR

Never count him out; a survivor

8.

Verran Tucker

WR

Crowded field hurts his chances

9.

Jerheme Urban

WR

Crowded field hurts his chances

10.

Chandler Williams

WR

Crowded field hurts his chances

11.

Leonard Pope

TE

Big man is a Haley favorite

12.

Cody Slate

TE

Inconsistent, but he can catch

13.

Jake O’Connell

TE

Inconsistent, but he can block

14.

Darryl Harris

C/G

Staying healthy is his problem

15.

Butch Lewis

OT

Southern Cal guy has quick feet

16.

Ryan O’Callaghan

OT

Not much upside with veteran

17.

Brandon Bair

DE

Poorman’s Jared Allen on edge

18.

Dion Gales

DE

Make or break year for him

19.

Anthony Toribio

DT

He needs a chance to play

20.

Eric Bakhtiari

OLB

Some skills on the edge

21.

Justin Cole

ILB

Some skills on the inside

22.

Micah Johnson

ILB

Some skills on the inside

23.

Cameron Sheffield

OLB

Showed burst last camp

24.

Pierre Walters

OLB

Solid but nothing special

25.

Demorrio Williams

OLB

Has a knack for making plays

26.

Travis Daniels

CB

Not much upside with veteran

27.

Reshard Langford

S

He needs a chance to play

28.

Jon McGraw

FS

Not much upside with veteran

29.

Donald Washington

S/CB

Disappointing ’09 pick; future?

30.

Thomas Gafford

LS

Solid on the snaps, short & long

CLASS D – Flat Line

#

Player

Position

Comments

1.

Charlie Gantt

TE

Dropping too many balls

2.

Bobby Greenwood

G/T

No place for the hard worker

3.

Chris Harr

G

Too much ground; no time

4.

Mike Ingersoll

G

Some skills, but no time

5.

David Mims

OT

Gifted body gives him chance

6.

Lucas Patterson

G

Position switch hurt him

7.

Jeremy Horne

WR

Too many bodies at position

8.

Chris Manno

WR

Hasn’t distinguished himself

9.

Zeke Markshausen

WR

Hasn’t distinguished himself

10.

Amara Kamara

ILB

Undersized LB and no time

11.

Quinten Lawrence

CB

Position switch hasn’t helped

12.

Sabby Piscitelli

S

Only special teams possible

13.

Ricky Price

S

Time may be up after 2 yrs

14.

Mario Russell

CB

Too many bodies at position

15.

Javes Lewis

CB

Too many bodies at position

16.

Demond Washington

CB

He’s shown skill; slim chance

17.

Amon Gordon

DL

The definitive journeyman

18.

Josue Paul

WR

Nice speed/hands; no room

22 Responses to “Camp Rankings Week #1 … Monday Cup O’Chiefs”

  • August 7, 2011  - JD says:

    I’d put Sheffield in that 2nd core group I think.


  • August 8, 2011  - Big Al says:

    Is it just me or do the Chiefs need a backup quarterback. If Cassell is out for say 4-6 weeks is Tyler Palko really going to lead the Chiefs? Ricky Stanzi? Chiefs should get a name guy to hold a clipboard and attend meetings until #7 inevitably goes down. I’m thinking David Carr. Surely somebody else can come up with a better name.


  • August 8, 2011  - brad says:

    I couldn’t agree more, Big Al. The back-up quarterback position is the weakest link. I have no faith in either Palko or Stanzi. Where is the next Damon Huard – a safe if unspectacular veteran to slot in when needed.


  • August 8, 2011  - ChuckP says:

    BOB; I ONCE AGAIN WILL SAY YOU ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST. THIS EXERCISE PROVES IT. I AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT 100%. ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY TERRANCE COPPER AND VERAN TUCKER BOTH HAVE ALOT OF TALENT.


  • August 8, 2011  - TimR says:

    I wouldn’t question this either. I would say that Mims will likely be a pratice squad guy perhaps along w/ the OT from SC (Lewis)…


  • August 8, 2011  - Chiefslovinlineman says:

    They put Mims up on the practice squad they can kiss him good bye, he’ll be grabbed before the announcement dries. Better find a way to keep him.


  • August 8, 2011  - Ray Ward says:

    Great post. I sse Barry Richardson and Tyson Jackson as 2 starters from last season that are running our of time to display consistency at their positions. I think Dorsey is improving every year, and has started to adjust to the 3-4. Either Powe or Torribo need to be part of the rotation, with more playing time as the season progresses. Kelly Gregg, I feel, was an excellant choice to fill that short term role, but the other NT’s need to be able to gradually play a bigger role. But, in thelong run, Cassel is the key, in todays QB driven league, and despite being one of his biggest supporters, he needs to display an ability to play well against the elite defenses he will face this season, and under pressure. I think this season will determine which direction this team is actually going. A pivitol season.


  • August 8, 2011  - Chuck Dilley says:

    I hope and pray they keep Jeremy Horne, he is lightning fast and makes great catch after great catch….the last time they had a player in this position his name was Horn also, without the “e” at the end, the Saints ended up with one of their best receivers ever while we continued to search for wideouts!!!


  • August 8, 2011  - Chiefslovinlineman says:

    One more comment on David Mims. When will the label small school, raw, needs time, etc be left outside training. Pick any drafted rookie or UDFA and they all need time to pick up the NFL schemes and it really doesn’t matter where you came from, it’s what you do now, in camp and David Mims is knocking guys on their asses. I’m not a coach but is that not what lineman are paid to do? David Mims is a steal for the Chiefs. Don’t believe me, cut him and see how fast he’s grabbed.


  • August 8, 2011  - Niblick says:

    We really need Tyson Jackson to step up into the Class A group. I don’t think he’s run out of time yet. The third year is always critical, if a player is going to reach his potential. We are thin at true 3-4 D ends. I wish we could have signed Ty Warren to improve our depth and push Tyson.


  • August 8, 2011  - aPauled says:

    Nice to see that camp is now competition rather than finding an able body to plug into a gaping hole esp. “WR – Crowded field hurts his chances”.


  • August 8, 2011  - Jimbo says:

    Bob,
    Since you have been to all the practices and you have disclosed that most of the practices revealed a less than stellar sampling of each individual. I think you are on the mark, let’s say with a 85% accuracy rate. My only switch would be Casey W. in group A and Andy S. in group B.
    The WR and LB group I am sure are the most difficult to evaluate. (mostly because there are so many in camp) It would be interesting in 4 weeks to see how you did. My money is on you. Anything over 85% will put you in my “Pro Detecting Talent Club”.
    Go Chiefs.


  • August 8, 2011  - jim says:

    IYO, is Micah Johnson gonna be given a chance? Do you think he has some thumper skills inside and is he picking things up quickly?

    Thanks


  • August 8, 2011  - Fansince93 says:

    What has Jon Asamoah done to deserve, “Continues to be star of ’10 draft” label?

    I agree that this guy has a lot of upside, but apart from speculation and feedback from the coaches what has this guy shown in game play to be called this.

    There were more picks in the ’10 draft that contributed on the field last year.


  • August 8, 2011  - Alan says:

    Jeremy Urban is a guy who has stepped it up in practice I see him being the slot receiver until Baldwin gets back to practice.


  • August 8, 2011  - Blake says:

    I disagree Chiefslovinlineman, Mims is the definition of raw, yes all rookies need help but Mims didnt even have an offensive line coach, he is so much more raw than the average rookie coming in. If every team in the NFL knows who Mims is then they also know he wont be able to contribute for at least 3 years! I cant see a team putting him on their roster for 3 years, cause if he goes up against a starting DE this year, that will be an automatic sack. He just doesnt have the footwork down, the mental part down. Plain and simple he isnt ready. I am going to bet he will be safe on the pracice squad and if he isnt then another team will just have to wait on him for a few years until he can even step onto the field and most teams dont do that.


  • August 8, 2011  - el cid says:

    This is a bad year for any college free agent, just no time to show off skills but that is the same for all NFL teams, maybe Pioli can grab someone he would have liked to have when season starts.

    As for individuals, until the regular season starts who knows, an injury could disrupt the house of cards. T. Jackson either steps up this year or he will not be here next.


  • August 8, 2011  - Mark says:

    Barry Richardson not a whipping boy of this Chiefs fan!
    All this guy did in his first full season of starting RT was help lead an offensive ground game in the NFL, only committ 9 penalities (2 holding) and allow only 5 sacks all in 16 games. Plus, he comes in at 6-6, 310lbs. So yea, Let’s just ship him off to another team and not let him grow into the position here, cause that’s not what the Chiefs are doing, trying to develop young talent from within…


  • August 8, 2011  - Vincent says:

    Dear Bob,
    I have always enjoyed the indepth nature of your analysis as well as the personal stories you’ve presented about the players on the team.
    From all I have read, the practices have been little more than snapshots into the psyche of the team. Much will be determined in the next two weeks.
    In looking at the Chiefs they have had a tendency of poaching other team practice players or cuts in September. For example, Tyler Thigpen, Jackie Battle, Leonard Pope, O’Callahan, Wallace Gilberry, Anthony Torbino, Andy Studenbaker, Chris Chambers, Kevin Curtis . Most of those players have been successful additions to the Chiefs-especially Pope, Gilberry and Studebaker.
    This makes roster predictions a very difficult task indeed. One of my concerns is the gulf between the starters and our depth. For example;
    QB[Cassell-capable starter, but do we have a capable backup or do we need a veteran QB
    RB- Jones, McClain, Jones and McCluster-
    Are Battle, Cox, Bannon a small or a large gulf? Should we look to poach a young RB who’s cut?
    TE-Pope and Moeaki- solid
    If we have injuries, can O’Connell, Gantt or Cody have the ability to be dependable-either as a blocker or receiver
    OL-I like our starters-O callaghan, Harris and Hudson all seem to be big upgrades over previous years.
    Can we keep Lewis or Mims on the practice squad?
    WR-The top three should be excellent- a significant improvement over the last few years.
    ??Urban-Is he strong enough to be a solid #4
    Copper-Is he exceptional enough as a special team standout to overcome his weakness as a receiver?
    Does Tucker, Williams or Horne talented enouch to warrent a roster spot?

    It seems to me that there is a large separation between the starters and the reserves. Is my analysis substantive? What positons do you think the coaches may be looking to improve?


  • August 8, 2011  - Chiefslovinlineman says:

    Hey, David Mims, after just a week-in-a-half has made huge strides and is past raw, maybe medium rare. A steak that juicy can’t be left on the plate long. Like all the other doubters he will prove people wrong.


  • August 8, 2011  - Joe Joe says:

    I got 7 WR making the team–Baldwin, Bowe, Breaston, Urban, Tucker, Cooper, and Horne. 8 OL–Albert, Lilja, Weigmann, Asamoah, Richards, Mims, Hudson, Harris. 5 RBs-Charles, Thomas, McCluster, McClain, Battle. 2 TEs Moeaki Pope and the 3 QBs-Cassel, Pakio, Stanzi.
    7 DL– Dorsey, Kelly, jackson, Gilberry, Powe, Bailey, and Miller.
    8 LBs–Studebaker, Houston, Belcher, Johnson, Sheffield, Siler, Greenwood, Hali
    10 DB–Carr, Flowers, Lewis, Berry, Arenas, Daniels, Washington, Brown, McGraw, Langsford. 3 ST-Gammon, Succop, Colquitt.

    Cooper and Piscitelli will battle for the last roster spot. I picked 7 WR over 3 TEs.


  • August 9, 2011  - Russell says:

    I like Joejoe list here. 2TE may be a risk. With a Run first offense, we need the 2 TE sets– we were near last in short yardage off. Mims I agree also is worth the last cut. PS is a sure jump to some other team. HOGS ARE HARD TO FIND!




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