Comments on: Bowe’s Working On Drops http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html Dedicated to providing the best coverage of the Kansas City Chiefs. News, commentary, reports, and exclusive inside information - daily! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rin Tin Tin http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19214 Rin Tin Tin Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:06:56 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19214 SG says "SG read Rin's argument" - yes, and you're sounding better than you have in years as a result... "which appeared sitting on a wall" - that is the age old question: was it the egg or the chicken came first? Neither...was the spatula. "SG watched Rin's argument" - yes, almost as lovely as the reading of it be breathing in nee imbibing the rich flavor... "take a great fall." - oh, he will- I mean, you want 'check'...but you'll need an appointment first. "All of Rin's cleverness and all of Rin's wit" - equal portions Shakespeare, Cioran & Serling, least a bit... "could not put that argument back together again." - well, anytime you get four great minds together there is bound to be some disagreement as regards the style, substance and the like, but as is the wont with genius...we all do as we must, whereas talent merely does but what it can... "Some of your stuff I agree with...to this one however I must reply, "Airball!" - (cue Dave Mason) "Been away, haven't seen you in a while...how've you been? Have you changed your style and do you think - that we've grown up, differently? Don't seem the same seems you've lost your feel for me So let's leave it alone, 'cause we can't see eye to eye. There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys there's only you & me & we just disagree - Ooo - ooo - ooohoo oh - oh - o-whoa :-) SG says

“SG read Rin’s argument”

- yes, and you’re sounding better than you have in years as a result…

“which appeared sitting on a wall”

- that is the age old question: was it the egg or the chicken came first? Neither…was the spatula.

“SG watched Rin’s argument”

- yes, almost as lovely as the reading of it be breathing in nee imbibing the rich flavor…

“take a great fall.”

- oh, he will- I mean, you want ‘check’…but you’ll need an appointment first.

“All of Rin’s cleverness and all of Rin’s wit”

- equal portions Shakespeare, Cioran & Serling, least a bit…

“could not put that argument back together again.”

- well, anytime you get four great minds together there is bound to be some disagreement as regards the style, substance and the like, but as is the wont with genius…we all do as we must, whereas talent merely does but what it can…

“Some of your stuff I agree with…to this one however I must reply, “Airball!”

- (cue Dave Mason)

“Been away, haven’t seen you in a while…how’ve you been? Have you changed your style and do you think – that we’ve grown up, differently? Don’t seem the same seems you’ve lost your feel for me

So let’s leave it alone, ’cause we can’t see eye to eye. There ain’t no good guys, there ain’t no bad guys there’s only you & me & we just disagree – Ooo – ooo – ooohoo oh – oh – o-whoa

:-)

]]> By: Canadian Chief http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19208 Canadian Chief Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:49:58 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19208 You gotta also take into consideration that during this offseason, the players knew that all their old coaches (and GM) were gone, so I think there is a natural tendency to relax a little. I don't have any information on what the Chiefs' off-season workouts were like in prior years, but I never read about players being obesely out of shape coming into training camp in prior years. So although Herm may be at fault for other things, I don't think it's fair to blame him for players being out of shape when he's not even the coach anymore... You gotta also take into consideration that during this offseason, the players knew that all their old coaches (and GM) were gone, so I think there is a natural tendency to relax a little. I don’t have any information on what the Chiefs’ off-season workouts were like in prior years, but I never read about players being obesely out of shape coming into training camp in prior years. So although Herm may be at fault for other things, I don’t think it’s fair to blame him for players being out of shape when he’s not even the coach anymore…

]]> By: SG http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19180 SG Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:10:35 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19180 SG read Rin's argument which appeared sitting on a wall...SG watched Rin's argument take a great fall. All of Rin's cleverness and all of Rin's wit...could not put that argument back together again. Some of your stuff I agree with...to this one however I must reply, "Airball!" SG read Rin’s argument which appeared sitting on a wall…SG watched Rin’s argument take a great fall. All of Rin’s cleverness and all of Rin’s wit…could not put that argument back together again.

Some of your stuff I agree with…to this one however I must reply, “Airball!”

]]> By: Rin Tin Tin http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19174 Rin Tin Tin Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:10:55 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19174 "However, nothing was ever Herm's fault." - still the essence of the case - lo$t revenue$ trumps lost games; when fan ab$ence $peak$, the owner's bottom line grows le$$ fonder... Excluding myself to be fair, no one be it a coach or otherwise is sans some blame... yet, those 4-6 additional 2008 games that Kaycee was as close to winning as they were L's the final scoreboard aft cannot be ignored. That any coach would like to win must be balanced against what the goal is: had KC won 8 games last season instead of 2, would Rin like them any more than now? No. Had they won 0 like them less? No. They were last year as they be today - short on talent - now longer in tooth, major aside being 'check' will inherit & benefit this year from a team that gained much experience in 2008. So any W's 2009 go in the Herm category, any L's be the realm 'seacrh' & 'check'. Remember these words that will come back to bite them copiously: "any 22" could do better 'check' said, not just as good- better. He'll have ample opportunity to affirm said in 2009, & frankly he should win more games regardless of talent level and just on added experience. That I expect them to 'not' do much better? Certainty. Rin is going to love watching Humpty & Dumpty fall off of the wall...I've no doubt they will. It was about 'rebuilding' - with Jr.'s blessing. That a ble$$ing to Jr. be as laying a foundation to Herm is where the house fell divided, owner's double-speak being worthy of a good flogging via O'Reilly's no spin zone. Herm's manager Jr. considered his own manager - Chiefs fandom - by picking a bouquet of rigged daisies: "Clark love Herm, Clark loves Herm not" - Herm died to self for his players sins & to Jr. for the owner's $in$. :-) “However, nothing was ever Herm’s fault.”

- still the essence of the case – lo$t revenue$ trumps lost games; when fan ab$ence $peak$, the owner’s bottom line grows le$$ fonder…

Excluding myself to be fair, no one be it a coach or otherwise is sans some blame… yet, those 4-6 additional 2008 games that Kaycee was as close to winning as they were L’s the final scoreboard aft cannot be ignored.

That any coach would like to win must be balanced against what the goal is: had KC won 8 games last season instead of 2, would Rin like them any more than now? No. Had they won 0 like them less? No.

They were last year as they be today – short on talent – now longer in tooth, major aside being ‘check’ will inherit & benefit this year from a team that gained much experience in 2008. So any W’s 2009 go in the Herm category, any L’s be the realm ‘seacrh’ & ‘check’.

Remember these words that will come back to bite them copiously: “any 22″ could do better ‘check’ said, not just as good- better. He’ll have ample opportunity to affirm said in 2009, & frankly he should win more games regardless of talent level and just on added experience. That I expect them to ‘not’ do much better? Certainty. Rin is going to love watching Humpty & Dumpty fall off of the wall…I’ve no doubt they will.

It was about ‘rebuilding’ – with Jr.’s blessing. That a ble$$ing to Jr. be as laying a foundation to Herm is where the house fell divided, owner’s double-speak being worthy of a good flogging via O’Reilly’s no spin zone.

Herm’s manager Jr. considered his own manager – Chiefs fandom – by picking a bouquet of rigged daisies:

“Clark love Herm, Clark loves Herm not” – Herm died to self for his players sins & to Jr. for the owner’s $in$.

:-)

]]> By: SG http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19171 SG Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:41:33 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19171 "A lack of accountability starts with the accountant/his work - not the accountant's manager." However, nothing was ever Herm's fault...lol. “A lack of accountability starts with the accountant/his work – not the accountant’s manager.”

However, nothing was ever Herm’s fault…lol.

]]> By: Rin Tin Tin http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19169 Rin Tin Tin Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:20:36 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19169 One of the lightweights i.e., mental morons this thread - take your pick - said "Herm let players get out of shape." It then follows that Herm also let them 'not' get to the QB, allowed them to lose 14 games and -oh- was the shadowy figure firing from aft the grassy knoll in Dallas and... well, you get the idea. Rin is in tip top shape but if not and a weighty issue was the culprit, wouldst have to remind my Manager of health (Doc, Coach et al) "you let me get out of shape. How could you let this happen?" Imagine the possibilities... A lack of accountability starts with the accountant/his work - not the accountant's manager. :-) One of the lightweights i.e., mental morons this thread – take your pick – said “Herm let players get out of shape.”

It then follows that Herm also let them ‘not’ get to the QB, allowed them to lose 14 games and -oh- was the shadowy figure firing from aft the grassy knoll in Dallas and… well, you get the idea.

Rin is in tip top shape but if not and a weighty issue was the culprit, wouldst have to remind my Manager of health (Doc, Coach et al) “you let me get out of shape. How could you let this happen?”
Imagine the possibilities…

A lack of accountability starts with the accountant/his work – not the accountant’s manager.

:-)

]]> By: SG http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19152 SG Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:41:10 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19152 "After all, these Chiefs are human." Think of all the great bbq the players have access to! “After all, these Chiefs are human.”

Think of all the great bbq the players have access to!

]]> By: Scott http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19149 Scott Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:19:20 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19149 tm1946 says: "I personnally do not see this desire with Bowe." Valid point. But, I'm hoping Haley can light a fire under his ass. You have to remember that Bowe only has two years under Herm "losing is acceptable" Edwards on his NFL resume. So far, anyway. tm1946 says:
“I personnally do not see this desire with Bowe.”

Valid point. But, I’m hoping Haley can light a fire under his ass. You have to remember that Bowe only has two years under Herm “losing is acceptable” Edwards on his NFL resume. So far, anyway.

]]> By: tm1946 http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19145 tm1946 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:24:10 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19145 Bowe is not one of my all time favorites, I keep hoping we find another Otis Taylor. But at least he said the correct things, we just have to hope he works into the new system. His weight situation is not a real worry if you are talking about the weight alone. It is the problem of what is going on inside his brain. Pro players, at least the really good ones, are in shape year round. It is their business to be in shape and nothing else is acceptable. Look at Jerry Rice, look like he could play when he was done and on to the HOF. I personnally do not see this desire with Bowe. Bowe is not one of my all time favorites, I keep hoping we find another Otis Taylor. But at least he said the correct things, we just have to hope he works into the new system.

His weight situation is not a real worry if you are talking about the weight alone. It is the problem of what is going on inside his brain. Pro players, at least the really good ones, are in shape year round. It is their business to be in shape and nothing else is acceptable. Look at Jerry Rice, look like he could play when he was done and on to the HOF. I personnally do not see this desire with Bowe.

]]> By: Joe Schmoe http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19143 Joe Schmoe Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:42:01 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19143 I wouldn't be too worried about anybody's weight at this point. It is still very early. Plus, the coaches have goals for some of these guys that are different from last year. This stuff happens. It was reported that Bowe showed up for OTAs at almost 240 and the coach wants him down to around 217. Bowe said he played at 224 last year, so he wasn't terribly out of shape when OTAs started. It was reported that he is real close to last year's number right now. I have no doubt he'll make the weight they have set for him. I wouldn’t be too worried about anybody’s weight at this point. It is still very early. Plus, the coaches have goals for some of these guys that are different from last year. This stuff happens.

It was reported that Bowe showed up for OTAs at almost 240 and the coach wants him down to around 217. Bowe said he played at 224 last year, so he wasn’t terribly out of shape when OTAs started. It was reported that he is real close to last year’s number right now. I have no doubt he’ll make the weight they have set for him.

]]> By: herowithin http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19142 herowithin Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:42:09 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19142 I have wondered quite a bit about the weight gain. Could it be that after losing so many games, that maybe all hope was lost on a majority of the team that they just didn't care and sought food for comfort? I mean, how many people are depressed enough that they eat "comfort foods" to feel better about themselves? Before they know it, they gain considerable amount of weight Quite a few people fall into this catagory, would be my guess. After all, these Chiefs are human. Am I off base here? I have wondered quite a bit about the weight gain. Could it be that after losing so many games, that maybe all hope was lost on a majority of the team that they just didn’t care and sought food for comfort? I mean, how many people are depressed enough that they eat “comfort foods” to feel better about themselves? Before they know it, they gain considerable amount of weight Quite a few people fall into this catagory, would be my guess. After all, these Chiefs are human. Am I off base here?

]]> By: colby http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19140 colby Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:53:12 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19140 Agreed Jon. A more telling stat would be a ratio of drops to receptions. Still though, second in the league is troubling regardless. Since Haley is a former WRs coach, he should be well equipped to help Bowe improve. Bowe is a few fewer drops away from being a top 10 WR. Let's hope he gets it together in his 3rd season the same way Tony Gonzalez did back in 1999. Agreed Jon. A more telling stat would be a ratio of drops to receptions. Still though, second in the league is troubling regardless. Since Haley is a former WRs coach, he should be well equipped to help Bowe improve. Bowe is a few fewer drops away from being a top 10 WR. Let’s hope he gets it together in his 3rd season the same way Tony Gonzalez did back in 1999.

]]> By: jim lloyd http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19139 jim lloyd Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:41:30 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19139 HOW MANY GAMES DID KC LOSE IN SECOND HALF , WITH LEEDS IN FIRST HALF! HOW MANY GAMES DID KC LOSE IN SECOND HALF , WITH LEEDS IN FIRST HALF!

]]> By: Jon http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19137 Jon Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:38:33 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19137 I think the Dropped Passes stat is a little misleading. You look at every guy on that list and what do you see? They are all elite recievers with the exception of Bowe because he's still on his way up there. All of these recievers are leading in drops mainly because they are getting the ball thrown to them more often than anyone one else on their squad. I'm not making excuses for Bowe, but if any other reciever on our squad right now had as many passes thrown to them as Bowe did last season, I think you'd see a much higher number of dropped passes. I think the Dropped Passes stat is a little misleading. You look at every guy on that list and what do you see? They are all elite recievers with the exception of Bowe because he’s still on his way up there. All of these recievers are leading in drops mainly because they are getting the ball thrown to them more often than anyone one else on their squad. I’m not making excuses for Bowe, but if any other reciever on our squad right now had as many passes thrown to them as Bowe did last season, I think you’d see a much higher number of dropped passes.

]]> By: Mark http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19136 Mark Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:15:44 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19136 Herm let players get out of shape, and there was no accountability for losing. No wonder the players loved him. They didn't play for him, but they sure loved him. What a breath of fresh air Haley is. Herm let players get out of shape, and there was no accountability for losing. No wonder the players loved him. They didn’t play for him, but they sure loved him. What a breath of fresh air Haley is.

]]> By: ED http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19132 ED Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:01:37 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19132 I have to agree this does say alot about why we had so many injuries last year and how out of shape guys were with everyone losing weight and being considered overweight I have to agree this does say alot about why we had so many injuries last year and how out of shape guys were with everyone losing weight and being considered overweight

]]> By: colby http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19127 colby Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:38:02 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19127 25 pounds overweight is an awful lot for a WR. He's usually listed at 223 so that means either Haley wants him playing lighter than that, or that Bowe came in weighing nearly 250! That seems inexcusable to me. I get the impression that after this offseason, the players won't let themselves go quite as bad as they have this year. The more I hear about how out of shape everyone is and how much harder the practices are, the more I despise Herm Edwards. Thanks for wasting three years of my time as a Chiefs fan. Worst Chiefs coach of all time. 25 pounds overweight is an awful lot for a WR. He’s usually listed at 223 so that means either Haley wants him playing lighter than that, or that Bowe came in weighing nearly 250! That seems inexcusable to me. I get the impression that after this offseason, the players won’t let themselves go quite as bad as they have this year. The more I hear about how out of shape everyone is and how much harder the practices are, the more I despise Herm Edwards. Thanks for wasting three years of my time as a Chiefs fan. Worst Chiefs coach of all time.

]]> By: alex k http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19124 alex k Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:51:09 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19124 I must say, I thought we had more hard workout guys. Sounds like the weight loss is moreso due to everyone letting themselves go. Thats just flat out ridiculous, I worked out next to LT year after year in the offseason with Todd Durkin Under Armor's Top Trainer. He was there early, every day, and worked hard, beyond belief, to get what he said, was back to the shape he was in during college(this started 2-3 years into his career)....notice how despite injuries hes still been effective, its all about staying in shape. Nice to see Haley is working that out. I must say, I thought we had more hard workout guys. Sounds like the weight loss is moreso due to everyone letting themselves go.

Thats just flat out ridiculous, I worked out next to LT year after year in the offseason with Todd Durkin Under Armor’s Top Trainer. He was there early, every day, and worked hard, beyond belief, to get what he said, was back to the shape he was in during college(this started 2-3 years into his career)….notice how despite injuries hes still been effective, its all about staying in shape.

Nice to see Haley is working that out.

]]> By: Adam http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19122 Adam Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:29:17 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19122 Yea, but this isn't losing 25 pounds of 100% wt. These guys' gotta have a pretty low BF comp to be physically able to play inthe NFL. Yea, but this isn’t losing 25 pounds of 100% wt. These guys’ gotta have a pretty low BF comp to be physically able to play inthe NFL.

]]> By: jim lloyd http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/bowe%e2%80%99s-working-on-drops.html#comment-19119 jim lloyd Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:51:08 +0000 http://www.bobgretz.com/?p=9089#comment-19119 I lost 25 pounds in a week and a half once~her name was bom-bom ~ it was a lot of work,and still have not forgot. I lost 25 pounds in a week and a half once~her name was bom-bom ~ it was a lot of work,and still have not forgot.

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