As The Roster Door Turns … Wednesday Cup O’Chiefs

Scott Pioli and Todd Haley promised after the NFL Draft back in April that they were not done trying to improve the Chiefs roster.

They said it again at the end of training camp.

They are proving men of their word when it comes to personnel matters. By the time the door to the Chiefs roster stops spinning this week there will be at least three new faces on the 53-man active roster. Tyler Thigpen, Monty Beisel and Ricardo Colclough got their walking papers on Tuesday. OT Leonard Pope (left) was officially added, with two spots remaining open.

Sounds like one of those could go to former Packers OT Mark Tauscher, who worked out on Tuesday at the team’s facilities. Tauscher is coming off a knee injury and was not re-signed by Green Bay.

What does all this coming and going accomplish? So far, not much based on the team’s record. Pioli has talked about the number of players he inherited who have been removed from the roster and only a few have since found work in the NFL (see the chart below.) Right now that number of players who were on the active roster-injured reserve-practice squad when Pioli took over and are now gone is 32. Only six are on NFL active rosters right now.

But pruning the roster of another administration’s players is only important if the spots opened up are filled by more talented, more accomplished and more productive players. That type of improvement has not been visible. There are four new starters on defense (Tyson Jackson, Mike Vrabel, Corey Mays and Mike Brown), five new starters on offense (Bobby Wade, Mike Goff, Sean Ryan, Ryan O’Callaghan and Matt Cassel) and one new starter in the kicking game (Ryan Succop.)

Of those 10 starters, Vrabel and Cassel would be the only two who have a hammer lock on being in the opening lineup. Mays could find himself replaced this week by rookie Jovan Belcher. The addition of Pope puts Ryan’s status as a starter in jeopardy.

Wade came in on September 15 and he’s become an immediate starter, but that said more about the level of talent at the wide receiver position on the roster. Based on the team’s depth chart this week, O’Callaghan will be the starter at right tackle for this Sunday’s game against the New York Giants. He joined the team on September 6. He’ll replace Ikechuku Ndukwe who was added on August 24 in a trade.

If the open two spots on the roster are filled with new faces that will be eight players on the roster who did not go through the off-season program with the team.

Right now, it’s a game of musical chairs on the roster. Who has a seat when the music stops remains unknown. Whether it produces a better roster remains to be seen.

But it is the road Pioli/Haley have chosen.

Here’s the list of players who were inherited by Pioli/Haley and are no longer with the franchise:

 #  Player

Seasons

w/Chiefs

 Action New
Team
1. DE Jason Babin

1

FA-not re-signed Philadelphia
2. K Connor Barth

1

Released  
3. LB Rocky Boiman

1

FA-not re-signed  
4. DE Alfonso Boone

2

Released San Diego
5. OT Andrew Carnahan

1

Released NYG-IR
6. S Oliver Celestin

1

FA-not re-signed UFL
7. CB Ricardo Colclough

1

Released  
8. LS Jean Philippe Darche

2

Released  
9. G Brian De La Puente*

1

Released Seattle
10. LB Donnie Edwards

2

Released  
11. WR Will Franklin

1

Released  
12 LB Curtis Gatewood

1

Released  
13. TE Tony Gonzalez

12

Traded Atlanta
14. QB Quinn Gray

1

Released UFL
15. G Edwin Harrison*

1

Released  
16. QB Damon Huard

5

Released  
17. DE Brian Johnston

1

Released  
18. G Adrian Jones

1

FA-not re-signed  
19. DT Derek Lokey

1

Released  
20. CB David Macklin

1

Released  
21. QB Ingle Martin*

1

Released  
22. DE Turk McBride

2

Released Detroit
23. OT Damion McIntosh

2

Released  
24. TE Michael Merritt

1

Released  
25. S Bernard Pollard

3

Released Houston
26. WR Kevin Robinson

1

Released  
27. LB Kyle Shotwell*

0

Not re-signed  
28. CB Patrick Surtain

4

Released  
29. OT Herb Taylor

2

Released  
30. LB Pat Thomas

2

FA-not re-signed  
31. G Tavares Washington

1

Released  
32. WR Jeff Webb

3

Released  

*practice squad at end of ’08

SIGNINGS, INJURIES & MOVEMENT AROUND THE LEAGUE

  • BEARS – re-signed LB Darrell McClover; released CB DeAngelo Smith.
  • BILLS – reinstated RB Marshawn Lynch from the NFL suspension list.
  • CHARGERS – filed suit in federal court against former LB Steve Foley for a portion of his signing bonus. An arbitrator ruled that he owed the team $416,666 after a shooting ended his playing career.
  • COWBOYS – RB Felix Jones will miss this Sunday’s game against Denver because of a sprained left knee.
  • DOLPHINS – acquired QB Tyler Thigpen in a trade from the Chiefs for an undisclosed draft choice; placed QB Chad Pennington on the injured-reserve list (shoulder).
  • EAGLES – released QB Jeff Garcia; signed LB Jeremiah Trotter.
  • JAGUARS – signed DT Greg Peterson; released DE Robert Henderson.
  • LIONS – signed DT Chuck Darby; released CB Marcus McCauley.
  • RAMS – the NFL announced LB David Vobora has been suspended four games for violating the league’s policy on performance enhancing substances.
  • SAINTS – re-signed OL Nick Leckey; placed OT Jamaal Brown on the injured-reserve list (sports hernia).
  • STEELERS – signed RB Carey Davis; placed RB Frank Summers on the injured-reserve list (back).
  • TITANS – signed S Kevin Kaesviharn, CB Cary Williams and KR Mark Jones; placed P Craig Hentrich on the injured-reserve list (calf); cut RB Chris Henry.

FROM THE PAGES OF CHIEFS HISTORY

On September 30 1962, the Texans beat the Buffalo Bills 41-21 at the Cotton Bowl. Dallas entertained the crowd of 25,500 with a quick first-quarter lead thanks to RB Abner Haynes; he scored on 71 and 13-yard runs. Haynes finished the game with 164 yards on 16 carries. QB Len Dawson threw three TD passes, of 30 yards to WR Chris Burford, 62 yards to WR Frank Jackson and 11 yards to TE Tommy Brooker. Dawson was 12 of 19 for 258 yards. The Texans had a pair of interceptions, with S Bobby Hunt grabbing two and CB Dave Grayson had one.

On September 30, 1990, the Chiefs beat the Cleveland Browns 34-0 at Arrowhead Stadium. A crowd of 75,462 saw the Chiefs dominate t he game from the first quarter, and they did it with all three facets of the game. Offensively, QB Steve DeBerg threw a pair of TD passes, 47 yards to WR Robb Thomas and six yards to WR Emile Harry. K Nick Lowery kicked a pair of field goals and the Chiefs scored two touchdowns on blocked punts. S Charles Washington and CB Albert Lewis had the blocks and LB Chris Martin and CB Kevin Ross had the touchdowns.

On September 30, 2001, the Chiefs beat the Washington Redskins 45-13 at FedEx Field in Landover, Maryland. Marty Schottenheimer was in his first and only season as head coach of the Redskins and his old team showed no mercy as RB Priest Holmes had his breakout game, scoring three touchdowns and running for 147 yards and catching five passes for 78 yards. Holmes scores came on a 24-yard pass from QB Trent Green, a seven-yard run and a 24-yard run. FB Tony Richardson added a four-yard scoring jaunt, TE Tony Gonzalez caught a three-yard TD and WR Chris Thomas had a three-yard scoring pass from Green. In the game, the Chiefs QB was 21 of 26 for 307 yards. Gonzalez had five catches for 88 yards. But the star was Holmes with his 28 touches for 225 total yards.

SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY …

Born on September 30, 1973 in Miami, Florida was DL John Browning. He joined the Chiefs as a third-round selection in the 1996 NFL Draft out of West Virginia. Browning played nine seasons with the Chiefs (1996-2005), appearing in 121 games, with 96 starts at all four defensive line positions. Over his career he was credited with 27.5 sacks, with one interception and four recovered fumbles.

Born on September 30, 1972 in Riverside, California was LB Troy Dumas. He joined the Chiefs as a third-round pick in the 1995 NFL Draft out of Nebraska. Dumas spent two seasons with the Chiefs (1996-97), appearing in 13 games with one sack. He finished his career in ’97 with the St. Louis Rams.

Born on September 30, 1974 in Atlanta was LB Greg Favors. He was a fourth-round choice in the 1998 NFL Draft out of Mississippi State. Favors played in 16 games during his rookie season, picking up two sacks. He went on to play three years with Tennessee and then Buffalo, Carolina and Jacksonville over his eight-year NFL career.

Born on September 30, 1953 in Mesa, Arizona was OL Brad Oates. He joined the Chiefs for one game during the 1980 season. Oates played six years in the league, appearing with the Cardinals, Lions, Bengals and Packers besides the Chiefs.

Born on September 30, 1974 in Brooklyn, New York was DE R-Kal Truluck. He joined the Chiefs in 2002 after playing in the Canadian Football League. Truluck spent two seasons with the Chiefs (2002-03), appearing in 20 games. He had 5.5 sacks. The Chiefs traded him to Green Bay, where he played the ’04 season with the Packers. Truluck finished his career with a season in Arizona.


84 Responses to “As The Roster Door Turns … Wednesday Cup O’Chiefs”

  • September 30, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    The season seems to be on the fast track to clusterf*** status. Monty Beisel is most likely released because of a special teams mistake and transition remains a constant on the O-line.
    But those are just additional factors to a witch’s brew of uncertainty that stems from Todd Haley’s coaching style.
    If there is no continuity on the offensive line a cohesive unit will not come about. Yeah, they are still looking for talent and the staff most certainly loses sleep at night due to concerns about protecting Matt Cassel, but are things getting better with a revolving door?
    Fear of the coach seems to be permeating much of the play we have seen so far but a change is not likely as Haley has assumed so much responsibility. Who, if anybody, has the sack necessary to take him aside and suggest he find a path to a calmer approach?
    The team seems to be playing like Christians at the Colosseum in Rome a couple thousand years ago; the thumbs down signal is not so drastic in this case but its looming in the background can’t lead to confident play.


  • September 30, 2009  - vincent belt says:

    Bob,
    Somewhat along the lines of your article is how the Chiefs resourses have been dedicated to improving the defensive line. Since 2002, or when Sims was picked 9 defensive lineman have been picked in the first 3 rounds. Of those 9 picks, five are with the team. The disturbing aspect about this is that the Chiefs may not be confident that there line is secure.
    The flip side of such effort on one position is the lack of resources given to other positions. For example: QB- one 2nd rounder for Cassell and a 3rd for Croyle, OL-Albert is the only player selected in the first 3 rounds-and you wonder why the line is such a problem, RB-Charles and Johnson, etc.
    The other ironic aspect of the attention to DL is the one player who broke out, a DE destined to be a LS, a fourth rounder, that became a pro bowler was traded


  • September 30, 2009  - phred says:

    13 of the 32 were offence/defence linemen. shows that the prev. talent selection was suspect at best, GO CHIEFS 2010


  • September 30, 2009  - Harold C. says:

    Lets just call this season “The Great Experiment”….because that is what they are doing. They are using this season to do experiments trying to find people good enough to help this team win. They will find what they can this year and then try to polish out the remaining bumps by the beginning of next season. If they can’t polish out the remaining bumps then the “Great Experiment” will begin again.


  • September 30, 2009  - eyePod says:

    Why would be bring in Pope? He’s so terrible. Very athletic but not good at football…


  • September 30, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    eyePod,

    He’s better at football than you are at thinking.


  • September 30, 2009  - Michael says:

    Pope? Because the current Chiefs tight-ends are neither athletic, nor good at football? Just kidding, Ryan seems hard working and could be solid. And what happened to Cottam? Is he really that unimpressive? They said he dropped a lot of balls in camp, but I haven’t really seen them throw to him much in games.


  • September 30, 2009  - Mike says:

    My guess it they hope Pope is the next Jason Dunn. Big blocker that could help solve the O-line trouble.


  • September 30, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    “But pruning the roster of another administration’s players is only important if the spots opened up are filled by more talented, more accomplished and more productive players. That type of improvement has not been visible. There are four new starters on defense (Tyson Jackson, Mike Vrabel, Corey Mays and Mike Brown), five new starters on offense (Bobby Wade, Mike Goff, Sean Ryan, Ryan O’Callaghan and Matt Cassel) and one new starter in the kicking game (Ryan Succop.)”

    And, of those players, Vrabel, Mays, Brown, Wade, and, arguably, Succop are better than the players we had in their positions last season. Cassel has not yet proven to be; but then again, we’re not running a college offense to help him either.


  • September 30, 2009  - True Red & Gold says:

    So far I have seen very little that is different from last year. If these guys (Pioli & Haley) get too desperate for a win who knows how crazy this will get. It is a good thing these guys have a positive reputation and it is their fist year or they wouldn’t get the pass that they will get for this season.

    It has been mentioned that all players are playing in fear of losing their job and that too much of that can be a bad thing. Just don’t forget, Haley is coaching in fear for his job as well. And obviously not just any 22 off the street will do. I by the way do not believe for a second that Haley said that. That would not be an arrogant statement as much as an ignorant one and I don’t think Haley is ignorant.


  • September 30, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    I fail to see why some people make such a big deal about signing a player, and especially if they end up being released.

    What does it hurt to bring in a player at a position and try them out? If he’s better than what you have, then keep him. If not, send him on down the road.

    Sounds like a good idea to me. Would it be better to do nothing? The very same people would then likely be crying that the Chiefs were not even trying to upgrade the team.

    Yes, it absolutely smacks of desperation. But let’s face it…6 wins in the last 35 games? The Chiefs ARE desperate.


  • September 30, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Since I received no replies yesterday, I’ll throw this one out there again. I’d really like to hear some responses:

    Okay, for those calling for Pioli and Haley’s heads already.

    Who would YOU have hired as GM? Or would you have kept Carl for the last year of his contract?

    Who would YOU have hired as Head Coach? Would you have kept Edwards? That seemed to be going really well, huh?

    What FA signings would YOU have made? So, the Chiefs have released a number of guys they signed this off-season. Who was available that they SHOULD have signed. That would have been willing to come here, of course.

    You’re quick to criticize, but what would YOU have done? What’s the plan for turning dog sh*t into gold IMMEDIATELY? I’m all ears.


  • September 30, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    TR&G said:

    “So far I have seen very little that is different from last year.”

    I agree; the Chiefs are basically where they were this time last season. And, like last season, we’ll probably start seeing around week 5-6 what kind of team this really is. This team is not going to magically gel and beat the Giants; but we’ll have a chance to win games in later weeks.

    “And obviously not just any 22 off the street will do. I by the way do not believe for a second that Haley said that.”

    I’ve heard two versions of the alleged statement. Version 1 is “22 players off the street could win 2 games”; version 2 is “I COULD TAKE 22 players off the street and win 2 games.” I wouldn’t be surprised at all to find that version 1 came out of Haley’s mouth; I’d be a little surprised to hear it was version 2.

    To me, “22 players off the street could win 2 games” is a way of saying, “Don’t you dare be complacent or satisfied with this team or your place on it”; it’s been my observation over the years that Chiefs players DO tend to be a little self-satisfied.


  • September 30, 2009  - ED says:

    6 out of 32 former Chiefs players on active roster. WOW just shows you the level of talent on this team. Not only do we not have enough talent at starting positions but clearly their is no depth in talent either. What a mess this organization has become? GOD bless Pioli/Haley they have their work cut out for them.


  • September 30, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    With all the Sports mags/NFL/TV/Radio saying that our talent sucks.Why does it seem that only Chief fans/sports reporters question IT!!!!!Did we really think this team would be a lot better ?????To doom this new GM/coaching staff after 3 or even this season is ridicules.When the schedule came out didn’t we know that we couldn’t compete with most of the teams!!!!!It seems we want instant success with a team that has been a disappointment for a very long time.So while I don’t like losing Iam looking for the light at the end of the tunnel which seems too take 3yrs not 3 games!!!!!!! I give the GM/Haley 2 thumbs up for trying everything possible to bring in better players even if admitting that some drafted players wont cut it!!!!! While most GM/coaching staff in the past refused too admit their draft mistakes by keeping them on the roster for 3 yrs then quietly getting rid of them .We have been keeping the faith around here for a long time years & years ……Now we want instant gratification …..WHY. PnS


  • September 30, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Excellent, ILChiefsFan.

    At least someone here thinks along the same lines as I do. These guys were not handed their positions for being the 100th customer through the door, or by finding a golden ticket in a candy bar. They EARNED their way there. And for those that don’t agree with the things they do? Then all that really means is that you don’t agree with the things they do. Nothing more. But, there IS a reason why they are where they are…and you’re sitting behind a keyboard bitching about every move they do or don’t make.


  • September 30, 2009  - Jody says:

    By all means stop bringing in players because whats here is so good.


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Jr. is also trying to improve ‘his’ roster…hath a short list candidates for both GM & Head Coach, said he is even now preparing for the inevitable:

    :shock: & :roll: are as good as gone nee goners, thank Rin- er, God!

    Here’s to them the formers – worst NFL combo all of creation…good riddance!

    0-20 draws nigh – poetic justice…heh heh heh!!!

    :lol: & :razz:


  • September 30, 2009  - el cid says:

    I did not like the Herm hire from day one but that said. Herm won 2 games with 30 odd guys not in football today. Still garbage as a HC but it is something. Haley has turned this into a practice squad for the entire year of 09. I did not want to waste a whole year but that is what we have. Unless there is some kind of improvement by the player, there is not one single victory out there. As of three games who, other than the 7 rounder, K, has got one step better than they were at the end of 08, college or pro? Not one.


  • September 30, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Rin Tin Tin,

    Wishful thinking. Pioli will be here for a good long time. Get used to it. Haley, not so much. Just law of averages in a coach’s career. But, I bet he gets at least the same three years your man Edwards got, to produce on the field. Difference being, I think Haley WILL.


  • September 30, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    While I stand by my blog awhile a go……the only question about Pioli is…….Cassel I hope he isn’t starting him over Brodie because of his cost!!!!!!I just have a feeling Haley would have started Brodie in the Raider game if everything being equal …..which its not but should be. he doesn’t want to ruin a young Cassel emotionally but we are in the game of wining. Why not bring in Brodie in the Eagles game to mop up ……the only downside to that……what if he look better???????? I Hope Iam Wrong on this …..but…..if the best man starts ……let him prove it !!!!!!! PnS


  • September 30, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    PnS,

    The best man IS starting. Haley and Pioli are both paid to win games. If they seriously thought Croyle gave them a better chance to win, he’d be in there. Not a doubt in my mind.


  • September 30, 2009  - el cid says:

    Good news the season may well have been saved by the newest aquisitions. From NE comes a LB and CB. I tell you, CB is one of the real needs for this team. A bunch of old guys, untalented and in need of the infusion of a NE castoff to be a strong CB section on defense. Maybe he can beef up and play the Line, Off or Ded?


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Mad Chief

    Wishful thinking. :shock: will not be here for a long time. Get used to it. :roll: , even shorter. Just law of averages a golf coach’s career. But, I bet he gets at least the same ‘promise’ Jr. gave Herm – ‘hope you come back’. Difference being, Rin knows :roll: won’t.

    heh heh heh!

    :lol:


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Oh boy – 2 more pieces of dead wood aka Patriot types now signed for the chiefs!

    From kc star:

    The Chiefs filled their roster vacancies by signing linebacker David Herron and cornerback Mike Richardson. Not surprisingly, both players have ties to the New England Patriots.

    Herron, who played in college at Michigan State, was with the Patriots for one game in 2007. The rest of his two-year NFL career was played with Minnesota. He made three starts for the Vikings.

    Richardson, who played in college at Notre Dame, was a sixth-round draft pick of the Patriots and he played in 10 games for New England last year.


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Croyle > ca$$el … the latter wins the “you can pick up the tab for everyone” honors…what a mutt

    :lol:


  • September 30, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    el cid said:
    “I did not like the Herm hire from day one but that said. Herm won 2 games with 30 odd guys not in football today.”
    Herm won 2 games in 16 tries, and you’re going to give up on Haley after 3 games? Do you remember where this team was after 3 games last season?

    Anonymous said:
    “Why not bring in Brodie in the Eagles game to mop up”
    My guess is he kept Cassel in for the same reason Haley decided to run the ball in the 2nd half – he wanted his guys to stand in there and show what they had in the face of adversity. Is this the right approach? I don’t know; but I can’t say it’s the wrong one, either (although apparently a lot of people in the Kansas City sports media feel qualified to make this judgment).


  • September 30, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    el cid said:
    “Good news the season may well have been saved by the newest aquisitions. From NE comes a LB and CB. I tell you, CB is one of the real needs for this team.”

    Do you understand the concept of improving the bottom of a roster? These guys will be low on the depth chart and play special teams.


  • September 30, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Much has been made of the fact that Cassel was only successful last year because he played on a good team. Exactly! Of course the Chiefs are not as good as the Patriots. Cassel was not brought here to BE the Offense, or to be the “saviour”. He was brought in to be a piece of the puzzle. He’s proven he can win with a good team. Now all we need is, a good team! He can’t block, run the ball, and catch his own passes.


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Next: contracts for Babe Parilli, Gino Cappalletti, Jim ‘Earthquake’ Hunt, . . .

    Psst- hey :shock: When are you going to change our Arrowhead helmet decals to that drunk Patriot Paul Revere caricature bending over the football…

    :cry:


  • September 30, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Rin,

    “When are you going to change our Arrowhead helmet decals to that drunk Patrio Paul Rever caricature bending over the football…”

    When your mom stops being the town whore.


  • September 30, 2009  - el cid says:

    Sorry IL Chief, I really had expected MORE from the Chiefs HC that to be on a par with Herm. The Chiefs lost to Oakland when the defense failed on the last drive (I know there is more to it but why waste time) and got creamed the other two. Is the NFL going to spot the Chiefs 20 points each game the rest of the season, No?, well the current Chiefs are not going to win any time soon. I repeat after 3 games in the REGULAR season, other than K, name one player who is better than he was at the end of the 08 season, college or pro. Not one. If you cannot win a game, at least you can make your players better at their skills.


  • September 30, 2009  - aPauled says:

    The talent level is going up. Fact is Carl/Herm left the franchise in shambles when they just grabbed any rookie last year. Herm’s theory was “the young guys just need to play”. Fact is, they weren’t NFL players and experience wasn’t going to help. That’s why Carl and Herm are unemployed.

    Leonard Pope has some potential at TE. Ryan has been OK, but Cottam and O’Connell haven’t gotten it done. Biesel and Coclough were vets playing like rookies. No room for that.

    I like the moves. We haven’t cut anyone that has contributed anything to this franchise. This process is how we find some players that can help us be competitive while the franchise recovers from the mis-management.


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    A brilliant essay el cid…bravo!

    Like fake arrowhead1978 post above – chiefs 2009 “GOIN’ DOWN!”

    heh heh heh!!!

    :lol:


  • September 30, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Rin Tin Tin,

    Scroll up, and answer my questions from earlier. Since you claim to be all-knowing, who would your picks have been? What’s your plan? Keep Edwards and Peterson? You criticize what we have now all day long. Let’s hear the Rin Tin Tin plan of action. We’re dying to know what you would have done different, or going forward. Fire Pioli and Haley? Then what? I’m all ears. The “floor” is yours.


  • September 30, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    To me it only makes since too pickup players cut from a Superbowl team …….than say the Lions or the Chiefs that haven’t had the talent to win 2 games a year for sometime. If your team is made up of pro bowl players seems to me their cuts would probably start for the Chiefs .Only have to look at the cut players from the chiefs versus players from Superbowl teams…. that were pickup by other teams. If I was a coach I would raid every consistent winning teams practice squad players ever year they are probably a lot better than what is on my team ……just makes since too me Pns


  • September 30, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    el cid said:
    “Sorry IL Chief, I really had expected MORE from the Chiefs HC that to be on a par with Herm.”
    On a par? You’ve been suggesting that Haley is not as good as Herm.

    “repeat after 3 games in the REGULAR season, other than K, name one player who is better than he was at the end of the 08 season, college or pro.”
    Dwayne Bowe. He hasn’t dropped balls and has made some great blocks. The more pertinent question is: what positions are better than they were last season? I’ve already offered my thoughts on that in this thread.

    “well the current Chiefs are not going to win any time soon.”
    Depends on your definition of “soon”. Next week? No. Dallas? Unlikely. After that? Yes, they will win some games.


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Mad Chief aka ‘Ben Dover’ pleaded on bended knee

    “Scroll up, and answer my questions from earlier.”

    - Rin loves it when they beg… hold on this is going to hurt… fire :shock: & :roll:

    “Fire Pioli and Haley”

    - good we’ve consensus – well, your hearing seems unaffected by that Rin-propos limp yours…

    “Then what? I’m all ears.”

    - yes cauliflower, “coming”… another internal cleanse locale farther north yours- I’ll get to them next…

    “The “floor” is yours.”

    - as always, is Rin’s pleasure to mop it up with you…

    heh heh heh!

    :lol:


  • September 30, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Rin’s mom likes brown showers.


  • September 30, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Did anyone realize that Cassell played on a good team with receivers who led the league in Yards After Catch, you do understand that means alot of dump offs and short routes that they turned into 15-20 yard gains… not going to happen with the receivers here.

    Also has anyone noticed how the players really dont seem to be playing for Haley this year, how else can you explain the regression?? Alberts not looking as good as last year, sh*t even our best player last year Colquit isn’t booting the ball as well as he did last year… It seems to me the coach has no loyalties to his players and they may be showing the same thing back. I will say Herm did have the team playing well at the end of last season.

    by the way bob, leanord pope is a TE not an OT. Also, why wont the chiefs sign Jon Runyan, the eagles tried him out and Coach Ried said that he looked good… He has to be an upgrade over O’callaghan.


  • September 30, 2009  - el cid says:

    I am not sure these guys were practice squad guys. I wanted to add that if the Chiefs are adding depth before they get the first line players fixed is thinking backwards unless the Chiefs are taking the KC Royals approach. Yesterday Royals’ Hillman told the media, they and the fans did not REALLY understand how baseball works. It may take 7 more years to turn the Royals into a competitive team, as they had to rebuild the minors first. Transfer this to the Chiefs, and we are looking at years of losing until we have a team worth paying to watch. Sorry but we need to see a future now not the building of a practice squad for the NFL to beat up on.


  • September 30, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Rin Tin Tin,

    Yeah, that’s what I thought. You spend all day being critical, yet have not one single thing to offer as an alternative. Which makes your arguments EXTREMELY weak.


  • September 30, 2009  - el cid says:

    Good comments IL Chief. I am not sure Haley is better or worst than any HC in the NFL. I do not care for his operating thru fear, his drafting, his decision to fire the OC after preseasn, and during interviews he is not very elequent. But win a few games and I will like him a lot better. Not that it matters.

    I disagree about Bowe. He is better because there is no Gonzales or other WR or no RB worth his salt. It may make him better because he is all they got. How do you think Tony G got to be the best in the NFL, his work, yes , but there was not one else out there most years (Kennison and who?).

    Wins? I do not care when because they will come someday. I would just like to be optomistic during any given week. Right now, this has turned into a practice squad and done so intentually by the management (Hunt on down and include Carl and Herm). I find that unacceptable.


  • September 30, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Pardon my last statement. Herm had the team looking good at the end of last season, if you think LOSING is looking good.

    I’m an idiot.

    Sorry.

    Probably best if you just don’t read my posts.


  • September 30, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    “I wanted to add that if the Chiefs are adding depth before they get the first line players fixed is thinking backwards”

    I don’t understand the logic. Just because you aren’t improving the top of the roster you forget about the bottom? You have to do both.

    Remember Lonnie Marts? A nobody rookie FA brought in by the Chiefs for depth. Over a couple seasons he began to excel at special teams and developed to the point that he earned a starting spot. Went on to start for a couple other teams for several years. This is how successful teams are built.


  • September 30, 2009  - Chiefsfan_62 says:

    arrowhead1978 says
    Also has anyone noticed how the players really dont seem to be playing for Haley this year, how else can you explain the regression??

    How about the fact that we played the Baltimore Ravens?? Or the Eagles?? i know you will say but we lost to the Raiders, yes a bad loss but our schedule can’t get much tougher than that, and was not last year. I know we still have to play Dallas and the Giants, but I consider them on the same level as the Ravens, and Eagles.
    Wait till we play the second half of the season you will see a different team, in terms of play and ability.


  • September 30, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    El Cid,

    I submitted that last comment before I read the last thing you wrote. Just for the record, I share a lot of your concerns, but I’m willing to wait a few games and watch for signs of improvement.


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Rin remembers Redd, and Robertson, and Jones, and Purdham and another 16 rejects Rin won’t mention here out of decency.

    Also Beisel, No Man’s Land star Zach Thomas and too -: Amani “it’s not a football player it’s a” Toomer and… well, :shock: s batting average is lower than the Mendoza line…

    heh heh heh!

    :lol:


  • September 30, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    Yes I like it Run Rin Run …..life is like a box of chocolates never know what you’re going to get get tell you bite it !!!!!!! Only one with his simpleton opinion . PnS


  • September 30, 2009  - el cid says:

    Squads need depth and I am sure every team is scouring the wires to find depth. That is as it should be. Any if a squad has enough first line players add as much depth as you can afford. But like it or not the Chiefs are a squad with little offense or defense. We do not have to go thru that over and over. All I am saying I do not want them to be the laughingstock of the NFL while they are doing it.

    The Chiefs need help on with starting players and I doubt there are any left out there available for the Chiefs. What to do, what to do. Lets add depth, obviuos answer. Perhaps they need to spend money not violate the collective agreement? Maybe they know what they are doing? Maybe not? In the mean time I truly doubt they will be refunding money to Jackson Cty or their loyal fans, do you?


  • September 30, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    Wait for a few games, that all??

    WE sucked bad for the last 3 years people, IT WILL TAKE TIME!!

    OUR talent level has sucked for 3 years, IT WILL TAKE TIME!!

    Dont be hard on Pioli and Haley because they are trying everything possible to get this team on the right track NOW!!

    DA%N people!!


  • September 30, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    el cid,

    You finally made a good point, “What can you do?”

    NOthing as of now for our starters, thing is some of these guys maybe better than OUR starters, so whats the freaking deal with everyone pissed that we keep signing players and trying new people. IT didnt work for herm so why do you all think it will suddenly work now?


  • September 30, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    gorillafan pretty much summed it up for me.


  • September 30, 2009  - True Red & Gold says:

    Remember this, Haley is NOT a players coach. We will see if that leads us to a payoff berth eventually or not. Herm and Haley had very different philosophies and obviously Pioli preferred Haley’s. Herm could not win with the players we have and neither can Haley at this point. So far Haley is no better a coach than Herm was. In fact at this point Haley seems determined to fit a round peg into a square hole. The roster shuffle will continue as long as Haley is looking for guys to fit his system rather than modify his system to fit the guys that he currently has. By the end of the year we will know if Haley was an improvement in HC or if it really is all about the players on the field. Then we just have to hope that Pioli is better at finding that talent than CP was.


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Excellent post TR&G!

    Herm > > :roll:

    Carl > > :shock:

    heh heh heh!

    :lol:


  • September 30, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    I believe its Scott who is doing most of the shuffling, not Haley. Scott is around 24-7. Its his job to get the talent that we need. He is looking for the right 53 that Haley will then coach. We got to get a good 53 1st!!


  • September 30, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    True Red & Gold says:
    “So far Haley is no better a coach than Herm was.”
    Can’t argue with that.

    “In fact at this point Haley seems determined to fit a round peg into a square hole.”
    Whatever. Did you watch this team try to play Tampa-2 with the personnel we had last season?


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Rin wonders as He wanders… does either :shock: or :roll: know how to play ‘Retreat’ or ‘Taps’ cornet?
    No need for a bugled ‘Charge!’ these next 0-13…

    :cry:


  • September 30, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    You got to be kidding about Herm/Carl right !!!!!!Let us look at the the work took a team that was 9-7 1st yr to 2-14 3yr ….. Now that is what you would call a downward spiral . Now if Haley/Pioli takes us from 2-14 to 0-16 in 3yrs than they would be worse than Herm/Carl.Now lets look at the talent left behind by Herm/Carl not just because they are still on the team but are they better than just stopgap players waiting for their heads to roll when we get better talent . All of the NFL( not Dog ) says this teams lacks talent .If that is the case which I believe it is ……Then Herm/Carl left this team worse than when they got it not only by record but talent as well . PnS


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    You didn’t ‘really’ think the Cavalry was going to come down & rescue the ‘chiefs’ didja?

    heh heh heh!

    :lol:


  • September 30, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    True Red & Gold says:
    “The roster shuffle will continue as long as Haley is looking for guys to fit his system rather than modify his system to fit the guys that he currently has.”

    Very good point. Only time will tell if this is a winning formula…or a recipe for disaster.


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    This chief team ’09 is now 43% :roll: & :shock: s aft the latest player moves (30 Herm’s Chiefs, 23 ‘search’ & ‘check’). That they have retained more of Herm’s Chiefs than they have their own is ‘the only’ intelligent thing they have done to date.

    As such their stellar 0-7 record to date courtesy the handpicked players they have chosen puts onus any squarely on them.

    heh heh heh!

    :lol:


  • September 30, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Rin Tin Tin,

    Do you ever say anything besides – Pioli sucks, Haley sucks, all the players they’ve signed suck, Cassel sucks, and Herm Edwards was great?

    If you did, I must have missed it.


  • September 30, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    Mad Chief,

    no rin doesnt, why would you ask that and feed the troll more.

    thanks dude!! smart one!!


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Mad Chief sucks…too

    :lol:


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    [ rimshot / CYMBAL CRASH! ]


  • September 30, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Rin Tin Tin says:
    “Mad Chief sucks…too”

    Oh wow, Rin Tin Tin. Yeah, you sure got me good on that one alright. No doubt.

    Did you think that up all by yourself? Or did someone help you with it?


  • September 30, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Someone helped me, of course. Sylvan Learning Centers all the way!

    DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!


  • September 30, 2009  - True Red & Gold says:

    I was comparing coaching. So far Haley hasn’t done anything that Herm could not do and that is win with inferior talent. We will have to wait to see if Pioli/Haley can assemble better talent. My point though was that Haley at this point is not any better as a coach than Herm. That may change as Haley gains experience but what we know so far is that Haley cannot win with inferior talent either.


  • September 30, 2009  - True Red & Gold says:

    In fact up to this point everything that Haley supposedly does that Herm didn’t (work the playesr to death) hasn’t paid off one bit. One difference is that the players don’t like Haley as much as they did Herm, but that is apparently a good thing.


  • September 30, 2009  - el cid says:

    OK, now what? If you feel, give Haley time to show his stuff, no reason to comment here. If you, for some unfathomable reason, still positive about herm, no reason to comment here. If you are fed up with losing, no reason to comment here. My point we do not have anything to talk about now. The Chiefs will lose sunday and no one can believe otherwise. Maybe we can start again just before the draft but not now.

    I do not read the poster but how did he get the “R” to post outside the page? Could he be a plant from the home site?


  • September 30, 2009  - Moe says:

    The one man propaganda machine continues his march

    March on, brotha

    [b]March on.[/b]


  • October 1, 2009  - True Red & Gold says:

    I am a douchebag.


  • October 1, 2009  - Bakjon says:

    Those who are critizing Pioli and Haley after 3 games, relax the Chiefs will be fine. They won’t go 0-16. As Mad Chiefs asks who should have been hired as Head Coach or GM? Who’s to say that they wiuld have done any better.




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