Answer Bob – 12/4

Dan says: What Chiefs are likely to leave at end of year? What is timetable for signing guys like Hali, Flowers, Carr, Dorsey, Albert, Bowe and Charles to contract extensions?

Bob says: I’m sure the Chiefs are working behind the scenes trying to knock off a couple of those players. As it stands to the information currently available Hali, Carr and Charles are the only players you mentioned without a contract for the 2011 season. They are part of a group of about 25 players who are not signed for next year.

Besides those three that group includes DE Wallace Gilberry, OTs Barry Richardson and Ryan O’Callaghan, DL Shaun Smith, backup quarterback Brodie Croyle and veterans like C Casey Wiegmann, FS Jon McGraw and OLB Mike Vrabel. Getting in the way of a lot of contract extension work is the unknown of the labor agreement between the owners and players and what rules and restrictions will be in place for free agency.

Flowers is signed through the 2011 season, as is Bowe. Albert is without a contract in 2013 and Dorsey in 2014.


MattMac44 says: Bob – Why not move Arenas to starting CB and bring Daniels in as nickel back? With Dexter returning, it may take a bit off Javier in the return game. Daniels played well last week as the nickel as well. Anyway, I expect a lot more blitzing from Romeo and the boys this week.

Bob says: Although they seem similar, a spot on the corner and the nickel back are two very different positions. Generally the nickel back is covering a receiver lined up in the slot. More often than not, that’s a shifty and quick receiver. The role in covering that type of receiver is better suited for the physical skills of Arenas. Plus, that’s where he’s spent most of his time practicing this year and feels most comfortable. Daniels will likely get the start if as expected Flowers does not play. As for more blitzing from Crennel – I would hope so. They need to do whatever they can to put more pressure on Denver QB Kyle Orton. Their inability to do so three weeks ago was part of what killed their chances of winning.


Josh says: We have to beat the Donkeys (probable) and then next week, (unlikely) in order to make the playoffs. If we can’t beat them at home, even winning out the rest of the schedule, the Bolts can still take the AFC West. Bob, from your perspective, what would it take for us to beat San Diego at home? I know special teams is an option, but where in the playbook do we have the opportunity to win on the road in SD? How much does that fourth quarter failure in Houston to the team that has the market cornered in fourth quarter failures hurt now?

Bob says: Under any circumstances, the Chargers are tough to beat in San Diego. Given the current situation, with they trying to make another comeback to win the division, they just might be unbeatable. Essentially it would take the type of overall performance they got from their offense and defense in Seattle, plus no special teams mistakes like blocked punts. Frankly, I think it will be the perfect test for the rebuilding/transitional Chiefs. It’s the type of performance that’s not out of their profile. Yes, the fourth quarters in Indianapolis, Houston and Oakland are all coming back to make the Chiefs job tougher.


Chuck says: It will be interesting to see how McCluster and Flowers are doing. Was it also Kendrick Lewis who was injured in the Seahawks game? I wish the Chiefs were more “forthcoming,” but I do understand.

Bob says: Injuries are part of the game of football and there isn’t a team that will make the playoffs and then eventually win the Super Bowl that will escape them. Like so much else in life, sometimes the timing of injuries is what hampers a team the most. The Chiefs have been able to survive and even thrive despite not having McCluster. I’m not sure they will be so lucky without Flowers. It’s a huge step down in talent from Flowers to Travis Daniels, Jackie Bates or Javier Arenas.

As for the Chiefs being more “forthcoming” don’t hold your breath. Much of their unwillingness to talk about or reveal injuries is pure silliness when they use words like competitive advantage. It takes all of about five minutes for an opponent to realize a certain player is not on the field and then adjust the game plan accordingly.


Edward says: Bob I think you meant to put Ole Miss in that statement about Kendrick Lewis not Mississippi State.

Bob says: Edwards you are correct. Thanks for the correction.


Chuck says: Does anyone know what our compensation was for sending Jarrad Page to the Patriots?

PAChiefsFan says: I know it is probably because I am tired from the work week and just ready for the weekend, and hopefully a Chiefs victory but I am not getting the connection between the Lions and the Chiefs and Page who went to the Patriots. What is the beef? Some additional help for us slow people please Bob.

Bob says: I’m not aware that the draft choice compensation for Page from the Patriots has ever been revealed. I would bet it’s nothing more than a seventh-round choice.

As for how Page is involved in the Chiefs tampering charge against the Lions it goes back to comments made by Gunther Cunningham, who said he was interested in getting some of the players he thought the Chiefs would release. There’s no question one of those players was FS Jarrad Page. Despite those comments from Gun and the fact the Lions spent the entire off-season trying to improve their depth chart at safety. Yet, when it was made known that the Chiefs were willing to trade Page, the Lions never made an offer to the Chiefs. As one person in the know about the Page situation with the Chiefs told me back in training camp “if they would have offered us a ham sandwich for him we would have taken it. They didn’t even offer that.”

News of this tampering charge with the league just came out last week, but when it was filed by the Chiefs we don’t know. If it was just something that was done in the last week then I’m going to bet that something else happened and that triggered the Chiefs calling the league.


Dave says: At first I hated to see Charles split carries with Jones, but now I see why and it’s obviously working out well. We need to keep this young man as healthy as we can for as long as we can…he will be the backbone for our team for years to come.

Bob says: I think the plan that Haley and his coaching staff had for these two guys has really come into view in the last month. They are both relatively productive and healthy in an offense that relies heavily on the run game. Charles and Jones are not backs who can handle 300 carries a season. Charles isn’t built that way and over his career Jones has shown he’s most effective right around 290 carries. Right now, they are on a pace for 234 carries (Charles) and 256 carries (Jones).


el cid says: Just wondering, anyone? Dion Gales, Chiefs list him with 1 year experience, thought he was in the NFL longer than a rookie. NFL Channel says Chiefs released a RB named Moore. Vaguely remember him, practice squad, injured or what? Anyone replace him?

Bob says: Gales is in just his second season in the NFL. He played in three regular season games last year with the Chiefs. That’s not enough to qualify as a full season of service. So he goes down as a first-year player. As for the Chiefs releasing a running back named Moore, that’s hard to figure. The only Moore they had on the roster was back in the off-season and training camp with RB Kestahn Moore. He was released on August 29. The only players recently released by the Chiefs were LB Justin Cole from the active roster, LB Eric Bakhtiari from the practice squad and LB Mark Simoneau on an injured settlement from the injured-reserve list.


Tracy says: Will the turnabout in Dwayne Bowe’s production and behavior–from dropsy plagued knot head to All Pro caliber WR–be Todd Haley’s best accomplishment, or just the first of many events to which to point as examples of his coaching ability? Right now, of course, it does not matter because this change in Bowe is driving the Chiefs as much as any other factor.

Bob says: The job of any coach is to take the bodies that are given him and turn them into productive players and units. Sometimes that requires more work on one player than another. In the case of Bowe, I think some day down the road he will realize that Haley saved his career by being a hard-ass with him. The talent was always there with Bowe; what wasn’t evident was the focus and the willingness to work harder than he ever had. I can’t imagine that we’ve heard the last knucklehead words or action from Bowe, but there’s no doubt he’s made the effort and it’s paying off for him and the Chiefs.


James says: Is Tyson Jackson the biggest bust in the history of the Chiefs? This guy can’t even get on the field.

Chuck says: I said something similar about T. Jackson on another website and most of them told me he is only in his second year and that is to be “expected”. But it does make one wonder, doesn’t it?

Bob says: I think it might be too early to call Jackson the biggest bust in Chiefs draft history, but let’s say right now he’s made the finals heat in that race. He may go down as the biggest disappointment. He was drafted with the idea that he could come in and be a foundation stone in the new 3-4 defense, but he’s contributed next to nothing and there’s no indication of any growth. There are bunch of other first-round picks that right now would rank ahead of Jackson – OT Brian Jozwiak, OT Trezelle Jenkins, DT Ryan Sims, OT Sid Smith, DT Gene Trosch. Any team that’s been part of 51 drafts is going to have some skeletons in its closet.


PAChiefsFan says: Bob, as a result of limited opportunity to see Chiefs games I am wondering what has happened with Tamba Hali getting to the QB. Is he drawing extra attention because of his sack success earlier in the season? Don’t have his game stats at the ready but it seems like he has been missing from the sack area. Yes or no?

Bob says: On Wednesday of this week, Hali came into the locker room and started talking out loud about how his wings had been clipped. It’s been a three-game drought for Hali and that’s the longest he’s gone through since he moved to outside LB. There’s no doubt that he is getting extra attention from pass protection units. I watched him closely against Arizona and he was double-teamed on every play. Generally, the tight end would block him and Hali would get past him easily and then a running back/fullback type would come over and block him next. There’s nothing unusual there, since Hali has seen double teams all year. He may be worn down a bit physically. It would also help him if somebody on the opposite side was consistently getting to the passer.


RW says: How sweet would it be to find another elite type pass rusher to complement Hali? Question for Bob: What defensive stat, from your experience, ranks highest in terms of winning a game? In other words, if you’re looking ONLY at the stat sheet at game’s end without knowing the outcome, which one would almost always tell you which team won?

Bob says: Great question. The obvious one is points allowed. When you get right down to the nub of the game, the two most important numbers are points scored and points allowed. Generally, I look at the negative plays a defense can cause – interceptions, fumbles, sacks, negative rushes and pass plays.


Brad says: Great stuff Bob, as usual. I wonder if you could do a break-down of playoff scenarios? I know it is early, but we have been craving meaningful games late in the season for years. I fear that we might go 11-5 (losing only to the Chargers from now on) and not make the playoffs as they will have the tie-breaker on us. That would be a bummer, esp. considering that the 2005 team – probably the best of the Vermeil era – went 10-6 and missed the playoffs.

Bob says: It’s still too early for meaningful gazing into the crystal ball for the playoffs. We’ll do that in about another week or two. If the Chiefs go 11-5, I think the chances are pretty good, like 96.7 percent. Since the NFL went to the 16-game season in 1978, there have been 62 teams that finished the season with an 11-5 record. Only two of those teams did not make the playoffs – the 1985 Denver Broncos and the 2008 New England Patriots. It will be tough if they don’t win the AFC West – that will leave them fighting with the likes of the Jets or Patriots and the Steelers or Ravens. Right now, it doesn’t appear that there’s going to be a second team out of the AFC South as the Titans-Texans-Jaguars continue to struggle with consistency.

3 Responses to “Answer Bob – 12/4”

  • December 5, 2010  - KC_Guy says:

    The Chiefs did not announce which pick they received for Page, but according to the Pats traded their 7th round pick to Atlanta for OL Quinn Ojinnaka. They also traded their 6th rounder to Denver in the Laurence Maroney trade but received an additional 6th rounder from New Orleans for TE David Thomas.

    So the Chiefs may receive New Orleans’ 6th rounder, a 2012 pick or come up empty handed.
    If the deal was for a conditional pick more than likely the latter may be true as Page played as a backup/special teamer only until he got injured.

  • December 5, 2010  - el cid says:

    Goodness Bob, sid smith, talk about old picks. The problem with Jackson pick is not the kid himself, how many 1st rounders end up zeros? No, the problem is the why behind Jackson thinking by Mr Pioli. Pretty much throw in the rest of the 09 draft. It left a taste of “what the heck, we got years to get it right”. Look at what has been accomplished this unfinished year, wow. What would it be like if Mr Pioli had hit on 4-5 picks in 09? It is not always about what you did but what you did NOT do.

  • December 5, 2010  - Milkman says:

    Wasn’t Pioli working with Carl Peterson’s scouting staff in ’09? If so, he had only himself to blame. If I remember correctly, Pioli took quite a while to make his decision to come here. By the time he actually got here he didn’t have time to set his own scouting department. Even so, you would have thought he would have hit on more than just a seventh round kicker. So far that’s what it looks like though.

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