A Parcellsian Camp … Thursday Cup O’Chiefs

From River Falls, Wisconsin

The other day we wrote about the three major differences in Camp Pioli/Haley compared to previous Chiefs regimes. We mentioned the increased contact and conditioning and promised to address the third reason the next day.

Then Amani Toomer showed up and we got sidetracked with the old guys the Chiefs have added to the roster.

So now back to the third factor: the way the players are treated.

Understand that the biggest influence on Todd Haley’s coaching style was Bill Parcells. He worked on his staff with the Jets and then again with the Cowboys. This year’s Chiefs camp is very Parcellsian. The head coach is vocal and most of what he has to say is cutting and demanding. Injured players are made to work out by themselves, but close enough to the field to see their teammates. All the work is hard, long and physical.

And Haley isn’t worried about being anybody friend, or buddy, or father figure, or pal.

He wants workers, guys who show up each day and consistently work to get better. In what has now been a week in River Falls for his first camp, we have seen an organized, energized and motivated head coach. Haley has put his foot to the pedal for his team physically, mentally and emotionally. The players have no choice to get on the run, figuratively and physically.

All of it has led to grumbling, and some of the more veteran players on this team wonder how much longer this team can keep up the pace that Haley has set for it over the first eight practices. We won’t provide those players a forum for unnamed quotes, but we can say without equivocation that the roster is not completely thrilled with Camp Haley.

The head coach could care less. He’s poking and prodding his roster every day, learning more about how these guys tick. If a player is sensitive – and there are many who are – he’s going to have a hard time being part of Haley’s team. A list of the players who he has chastised or demanded greater effort from would cover the roster from top to bottom.

The receivers and quarterbacks – two areas where he has worked as an assistant coach and coordinator – have heard more from Haley than any other players. Nobody is immune, including Matt Cassel, including Bobby Engram, Zach Thomas, and Mike Vrabel and on.

All the players have learned – going back to the off-season program – that they don’t want to be injured. The guys on the rehab team often work harder there than they would during practice. Getting out of “no man’s land” as Haley called it the other day, is the goal of every player forced to ride the bikes, carry the weights and deal with all the other little drills they must go through. It includes not even mentioning those players by name. That really isn’t so much secrecy as it is trying to make the player more intent to get back into the discussion.

Haley wants players with two things: consistency and availability. He learned from Parcells that every player is hurt, but bones need to be broken or ligaments torn for a player to be injured. Players can get on the field if they understand that they are not injured, just hurt. Being sore is not an injury. Having a sprain is not an injury. Having a pull is not an injury.

This is very different from the way Dick Vermeil and Herm Edwards handled players when they were the head coach of the Chiefs. Both were demanding, but seldom criticized a player in front of his teammates. If you are a member of the Chiefs today and you haven’t been hit by a verbal barrage from Haley, you should probably start worrying. It means he doesn’t care or hasn’t noticed you.

Vermeil worked his players long and hard, but they could seldom do wrong in his eyes. It was his belief that if a player did something once, he could do it again and it was up to the coaching staff to pull that out of him. Edwards believed that if a player showed some talent, he wanted to see it again before he bought in.

Not only does Haley want to see the do it again, but he wants to see it consistently on an everyday and every practice basis. Anything less isn’t going to cut it.

Haley’s way works if the team produces victories. Players will not completely get on board with the program without eventually getting some sugar in return. They’ll go through the wall every day for a coach or a team if they see results, experience success and victories.

If it doesn’t happen, if this team struggles, the demanding nature of the head coach is not going to rally the troops.

There’s nothing unusual about the way Todd Haley is handling the players on a daily basis. He’s not plowing new ground in the coaching profession. It’s an old school approach that harkens back to the roots of what makes football the game that is so popular. It’s about being stronger, meaner, leaner and smarter than your opponent.

There are many different ways to coach a team built on those beliefs. Todd Haley’s way just happens to be different than what the Chiefs have seen in recent seasons.

JACKSON’S ABSENCE IS NOW A WEEK AND EIGHT PRACTICES

Another day, another two practices and Tyson Jackson falls further behind. No word on anything having to do with contract negotiations between the Chiefs and their first-round draft choice.

There was no change in the status of the nine unsigned first rounders on Wednesday.

Jackson is now the longest Chiefs first-round holdout since DT Ryan Sims in 2002. Sims did not sign until August 28th, missing the entire training camp. It was a bad start to what ended up being a bad stay in Kansas City for Sims.

Realistically, Jackson has not yet missed enough time to severely hamper his ability to catch up. The problem is if many more practices go by without him being at left defensive end, he’ll fall so far behind that he won’t be able to catch up. Jackson will be playing from back in the pack all season.

Not sure what type of conditioning Jackson is doing but there’s no way he’s getting done everything that he needs to get done to compete with what players are doing in camp. He can run, he can lift, but he can’t put himself in pads and bang around with other linemen. And nobody out there is going to ride his butt like defensive line coach Tim Krumrie.

SIGNINGS, INJURIES & MOVEMENT AROUND THE LEAGUE

BENGALS – placed TE Reggie Kelly on the injured-reserve list; signed TE Matt Sherry.

CARDINALS – signed FB Reagan Maui’a.

GIANTS – signed QB Eli Manning to a six-year, $97.5 million contract extension.

JETS – claimed WR Aundrae Allison on waivers (Vikings).

RAIDERS – signed OT Seth Wand; OT Khalif Barnes is expected to miss 6 to 8 weeks with a fractured ankle; released LB Chris O’Neill.

RAVENS – placed RT Adam Terry on the injured-reserve list; signed DT Nader Abdallah.

FROM THE PAGES OF CHIEFS HISTORY

On August 6, 1988 the Chiefs beat the Cincinnati Bengals 34-21 in a pre-season game at Arrowhead Stadium. With 31,947 fans in the stands, the Chiefs jumped to an early lead thanks to a 79-yard punt return from WR Kitrick Taylor. Later they added a 1-yard TD run by RB Herman Heard, a 2-yard run by FB James Saxon and then Saxon caught a 10-yard TD pass from QB Steve DeBerg. Saxon finished the game with 59 yards in total offense.


46 Responses to “A Parcellsian Camp … Thursday Cup O’Chiefs”

  • August 6, 2009  - get real says:

    Cannot see inside to know Pioli/Haley but it is likely that Haley has read The Art of War. It can be applied to many situation HC being one. How he operates with the team is similar.

    Jackson, remember what a bust Sims was when the contract became more important that the team, sign for forget it (cheap shop, easy to say and impossible to do, but I dislike the waiting).


  • August 6, 2009  - ED says:

    I like Haley’s style of coaching. Its know different from Bellichick, Coughlin, and all the other Parcells former asst. coaches. Its a style that breeds success not just in football, but in any business. A no nonsense coach or manager that believes in pushing his players to get the most out of them and not accepting nothing less than the best is going to be successful. And Haley is right its not about being guys friend thats not in his job description. His job is to maxmize these guys ability and I like what he’s doing.

    Trust the Chiefs will return to the powerhouse team we was in the 90′s. I just hope when the success comes we don’t run Haley like some fans the Marty because maybe in the first 5 seasons of his coaching career here we don’t get to a Super Bowl. But somehow I think Pioli doesn’t care much what the fans think he’s going to do whats best for the organization and thats a good thing. I’m still a believer if we would have stuck with Marty he would’ve delivered a Super Bowl by now. I mean hey it took Cowher 16 years to do it. The Steelers stuck by him after all those hard aches loses in the playoff and Super Bowl. But thats what separate great organizations from good ones consistency.

    As for players crying about Haley’s style of training camp who cares. I know guys like Cassell and Vrabel more than likely are among the guys that understand this how its suppose to be. Seeing the were coached under Bellichick. I remember how Brady mention how Bellichick would be watching film and be belittling him and other guys on the team. So the former Pats players that are on the team are use to that type of coaching style. The rest of the team better just suck it up and perform and do their job. Also do their job consistently, and they want have to worry about being embarrassed by the head coach.


  • August 6, 2009  - Harold C. says:

    Becoming a wining team is not easy….so go get ‘em Haley. There is no room for wimps on this team.


  • August 6, 2009  - jimbo says:

    We may be seeing some “name brand players” being cut in the near future.
    I also have a feeling we will be scratching our heads wondering why did he cut this player or cut that player, who we thought was talented or at least showed great potential.
    Haley, clearly has a no nonsense, fearless personality & it won’t be long before we are blogging like crazy about his decisions, trying to make sense of it all.
    The Chiefs have hired their “alpha male” & rest assured he will surround himself with a smart, tough, & physically fit pack of wolves. (players)

    There is no doubt in my mind that the right 53 will surprise us all.


  • August 6, 2009  - Scott says:

    Those that don’t “buy into” the Haley/Pioli “way” won’t last long on this team. They’ll be gone. From top to bottom, I’d say. No one is safe.

    The “my way or the highway” approach. It’s a complete 180 from what we’ve had. And since that obviously wasn’t working…it makes perfect sense. I like it.


  • August 6, 2009  - Scott says:

    Agreed, Jimbo. I think some of the cuts are going to surprise people.


  • August 6, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    I always wished we kept “marty ball”. Look what he did at the charges in that short period of time. He would have made it to the super bowl if they kept him, and now they have norm turner, good luck!!

    I like what Haley is doing. Being a players coach didnt and most of the time doesnt work. you have to be on that fine line, where before the coaches just bent over and took it from the players!!

    I agree with signings and cuts, it will get interesting


  • August 6, 2009  - greg welsh says:

    I am a life long Chiefs fan that lives in Dallas. I was here when Parcells came in and changed the Cows culture— Parcells started the “no-man’s” land- Campo era ther would be 20 guys over there—Parcell’s less than 5– Haley was a part of that. It produced a competitive team from the start. Does anyone argue that Pioli is a better GM than Jerry Jones? Let’em whine. When the wins come they will be all smiles. A better running games will keep the defense off the field and Cassel upright– Goff is a great addition– Albert and Rudy will be better.

    For me– I’m drinking the Pioli/Haley red Kool-Aid. Go Chiefs!


  • August 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    Some veteran don’t like the Haley way !! Try digging ditches/ bucking hay bales in 100 degree heat for minimum wage . These players are being paid millions & to show for that we had 2 wins . Anybody off the street could win 2 games /right Dog ! Suck it up or pack your bags these guys have been over paid for a long time .


  • August 6, 2009  - Scott says:

    greg welsh says:

    ” A better running games will keep the defense off the field and Cassel upright–”

    True. Very true. And also, probably the biggest “if” this team is facing this year. Certainly not the only one. But in my mind, the most important one.


  • August 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    Besides if we don’t win more than 2 the team well look fit in the uniforms this fall. Their wife’s or girlfriends well thank Haley. Us slobs have to pay for a gym


  • August 6, 2009  - CK says:

    When players like a coach right away before any success is achieved, that’s worrisome. When players want a coach back after winning only 6 games in 2 years that’s evidence of a Country Club atmosphere where the inmates are running the joint.
    The players should respect their Head Coach and fear for their jobs at the beginning….not love him. They will appreciate him when they win.


  • August 6, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Real Rin ® :cool: daddy-o sez –

    “Jackson is now the longest Chiefs first-round holdout since DT Ryan Sims in 2002.”

    - a slobbering Chiefs fandom drunk on its own rose-colored phantasm chortles – “things are going to be different now in KC!”

    Uh huh – Right – ‘check’

    And while in ‘search’ of said corroboration, pass the humble pie to your nearest sycophant. Better, cue The Monkees! – “that was then & this is now.”

    Who would have thunk it: every day in every way, :shock: more & more Carl P as Ty be nigh on Ry… hold the mustard.

    “It was a bad start to what ended up being a bad stay in Kansas City for Sims.”

    - what is past is prologue? We shall see…cue the violins.

    MORAL OF OUR STORY:
    If it was GM or coach X fault every in 2008 for everything be it player personnel & performance issues, it is GM or coach Z fault same in 2009- can’t have it both ways.

    - – - – -

    Meanwhile, over at Stalag :roll:

    “All of it has led to grumbling, and some of the more veteran players on this team wonder how much longer this team can keep up the pace that Haley has set for it over the first eight practices.”

    - the veterans used to grumble about Hank Stram too – he not only worked them hard in practices but also played them most every exhibition game (preseason) most every season most every bit he could get out of them.

    Playing only 14 games thence regular but as many as 7 exhibition games one year, one Chief said – “Our legs would be shot by the time we were half way through the regular season.”

    Judiciousness must be an ingredient of any recipe :roll: … ‘check’

    - – - – -

    “we can say without equivocation that the roster is not completely thrilled with Camp Haley.”

    - ah-haaaaaaah!!! Rin knew it!!! (Translation: what a shock.)

    Fact is it’s talent more so than coaching as well cohesion & time. They all go hand in hand nee are requisite.

    Which is why one year into Herm’s rebuild it was (cue Obuma) “acting stupidly” to replace him. But hey, money or the lack thereof by way turnstile$ talks.

    Shy time and the talent that must cohere, no one wins…it even took the great Lombardi until his 3rd season to bring a Championship to GB.

    :roll: – I knew Vince Lombardi…:roll: – you’re no Vince Lombardi.

    - – - – -

    “If it doesn’t happen, if this team struggles, the demanding nature of the head coach is not going to rally the troops.”

    - EGGSACTLY SO! (and when Rin sez ‘EGG’ he does not mean to imply a zero as in # Chiefs wins in 2009, although… just saying.)

    Fandom’s excuse making will start to excuse it /
    :roll: with furtive cries of “Yeah but, if only, and woulda, coulda & his other brother shoulda, abounding.

    “He learned from Parcells that every player is hurt, but bones need to be broken or ligaments torn for a player to be injured. Players can get on the field if they understand that they are not injured, just hurt. Being sore is not an injury. Having a sprain is not an injury. Having a pull is not an injury.”

    - that is straight out of the Lombardi dictionary – Parcells as every aft just the football progeny of Vince as was he the same those afore him.

    There be nothing new under the sun really as Rin & Bob G among others have said.

    - – - – -

    “There’s nothing unusual about the way Todd Haley is handling the players on a daily basis. He’s not plowing new ground in the coaching profession”

    - this will come as a tremendous shock to the tilt at windmills sensitivities many a Chiefs fandom… :roll: didn’t invent sugar nor even refine it, he just likes the rush.

    :lol:


  • August 6, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    Scott says:
    “Agreed, Jimbo. I think some of the cuts are going to surprise people.”

    That comment started me thinking about which players I would be surprised to see cut or traded. Here’s my list:

    Offense: Cassell, Johnson, Charles, Bowe, Ryan, Albert, Waters, Goff, Brown

    Defense: McGee, Jackson, Dorsey, Tyler, Thomas, Vrabel, Johnson, Page, Pollard, Brown, Carr, Flowers, Leggett, Washington

    ST: Colquitt

    Some of these guys are on my list because they’re too good to let go (Albert, Bowe), some because they’re key Pioli/Haley acquisitions (Cassell, Vrabel, Thomas, the higher ’09 draft picks), and at least one (Dorsey) because they’re too expensive to cut and probably not tradeable at this point.

    Regardless, it wouldn’t be surprising to me if anyone not on that list was not on the Chiefs roster this year.

    Would anyone care to submit their list or critique this one?


  • August 6, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    ED said

    “I’m still a believer if we would have stuck with Marty he would’ve delivered a Super Bowl by now.”

    - as Marty never did (win a Superbowl or even get his team there) here in KC or anywhere else those his other 3 stops, what is the impetus for such a (wishful thinking) statement?

    Marty S = he also ran

    “I mean hey it took Cowher 16 years to do it.”

    - and Herm only got 3 years here more so 1 as the owner only last season approved the ok to ‘start’ a rebuild. Tom Landry had NO winning season until his 7th and Chuck Noll had a losing record every year until his 4th – think about that, both guys.

    It’s a crap shoot to a large extent – sometimes you’re right, sometimes you’re no. Rin will say Herm just as you did Marty, Edwards would have produced winners here had he been allowed to finish what the owner allowed him to start.

    Real Rin ® :cool: daddy-o, ‘search’ :shock: & ‘check’ :roll: affirming…


  • August 6, 2009  - SG says:

    Rin, have you considered a business writing class?

    Length of your comment: Almost as long as Bob’s column; Amount of news: Zero; Conclusion: get to the point!


  • August 6, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    To Dog you have answered your own question about the chiefs . Players did complain about Stram playing them in preseason what you failed to see that Stram is / was/ the only coach that got the Chiefs to play in 2 Super Bowls . Iam sure you wont see the connection in this statement


  • August 6, 2009  - SG says:

    “I think some of the cuts are going to surprise people.”

    We’ll see. I’d expect more significant changes after 2009 season than preseason 2009 cuts.


  • August 6, 2009  - Rip 'em a new one says:

    Just another great report on the inner workings of Camp Haley! Bob makes an excellent observation about players continuing to buy in when the winning starts which it has to do if Haley is successful. It sounds to me a similar mindset to that Greek commander from about a 1000 years ago who invaded an enemy by sea and ordered all the boats burned once his forces hit the beach. The point: Haley is sending a clear message that the only way out is through. I love that.

    As to the Tyson Jackson holdout, we can only hope that Curry gets his deal done soon because there will be an established ceiling (#2 pick) and floor (#4 pick) of monetary expectation which might hasten the process. Then again, Pioli reportedly earned his job in part by selling Clark Hunt on the fact he, Pioli, wouldn’t overpay for players so the lines in the sand seem clearly drawn. When will TJack sign? You tell me as my prediction of him holding out for 1 week beyond the opening of camp has been realized.

    One more item. As it relates to the ‘shadow posting’ if one can label it as such, Bob has said recently that we’ll see some changes coming on the board and that’s good enough for me as this is by far the best source of Chief’s info anywhere and if it means sorting around the shadows, no big deal.


  • August 6, 2009  - Mark says:

    That’s what makes me so excited about Haley. He’s been with the best and he’s learned from the best. He’s not here to be popular, or supply entertaining press quotes. He’s here to win.


  • August 6, 2009  - Josh says:

    The only thing Herm would have finished if he had been allowed to stay is another box of Fig Newtons.


  • August 6, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    SG said

    “Rin”

    - yes Robin, what is it this Batman must rescue you from today? Need help extricating your head from from your Boy Wonder plastic short-shorts, again?

    Speak slowly then – don’t mumble…

    “have you considered a business writing class?”

    - no old chum, crime-fighting is my life… rooting out evil this Chiefs Kingdom.

    “Length of your comment: Almost as long as Bob’s column”

    - thank you…Rin appreciates your rapt attention to His detail.

    “Amount of news”

    - be equal to the scarcity of change Chiefdom this campaign…which is to say :shock: be to Carl P as :roll: be not another Lombardi…

    “Zero”

    - # of wins the KC Chiefs in 2009 regular season…

    “Conclusion”

    - :roll: must go… :shock: too

    “get to the point!”

    - no need to seek the high ground – LOOKOUT! – as always, Rin already be there!

    Real Rin ® :cool: daddy-o


  • August 6, 2009  - alex k says:

    I am a huge fan of how Haley is coaching this team(obviously from what WE see or hear)…And it IS different than the past 10 years, however…there have been ZERO playoff wins in 10 years, so im fine with change.

    These guys need a coach not a friend.

    However, some of the roster may be unhappy, but the ones that have come out in favor of it, are the ones that will succeed, and they also happen to be the Bowe type talented guys.

    Tyson Jackson needs to get in camp now..or else season one will be a major failure…he can still be a big time player for Kc, just not in 2009.


  • August 6, 2009  - BinSC says:

    I think there will be one “surprise” cut, just to make a point that noone is safe. They aren’t going to cut off their nose to spite their face, but there will be a sacrifice or two. Turk McBride and Tambi Hali being likely casulties. They were high draft choices that were featured players on past rosters. I think these are the type of player who may be cut early to send a message since they are kind of a long shot to transition to a new position anyway.


  • August 6, 2009  - get real says:

    It is getting very interesting at River Falls.

    Heard on radio Dorsey may be a bust for KC. But only because he is in a system that he does not fit. Former Cleveland scout during Dorsey’s draft, he was not on their board because he did not fit in the 3-4. So Dorsey may end up another Sims. Some teams like the Lions keep drafting WR and flop and some like KC draft DL and flop over and over again.


  • August 6, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Anonymous said

    “To Dog”

    - or not to Dog – that is the question…

    “you have answered your own question about the chiefs.”

    - if Rin did that, it had to be because He is the only one of such a vintage & well read enough who knew the answer; the fuzzy-cheeked faction herein gets tedious to suffer aft awhile.

    However, you were nee are wrong… let us peruse further, shall we?

    “Players did complain about Stram playing them in preseason what you failed to see that Stram is / was/ the only coach that got the Chiefs to play in 2 Super Bowls.”

    - Rin fails at nothing… the player ‘quote’ He that is I Rin used came from the late Chiefs LB Sherrill Headrick – during the 1967 season, one where KC went 9-5 and finished a distant second place behind the Raiders, this after a Superbowl KC team the year before.

    Rin knows far better than you that Stram is the only Coach to ever do really anything with this franchise, because Rin has said so afore, often.

    “Iam sure you wont see the connection in this statement.”

    - you’ve been blind since Rin stated said in the first place… no miracle for you, John 9:1-41

    :cool: daddy-o


  • August 6, 2009  - Chris_Texas says:

    Sounds like everyone is drinking the kool aid and that goes for me too. Enjoyed most of what everyone posted and totally agree. I also live in the Dallas area and Parcells did a great job here just Jerry got in the way of finishing. I believe Pioli will let Haley handle things.

    Now as for Jack$on since he has decided to play the money game. I’d just pull my offer lower it and say here it is if you want to play take it if not see ya in the offseason. If he misses anymore he won’t be ready until the middle of the season I hope they don’t waste money on this chump. Not to say he can’t play but what has he done?


  • August 6, 2009  - tm1946 says:

    Just wondering?? T. Jackson, why is/was he such a got-to-have for the Chiefs?? Hate to miss on a 1st rounder but the season will not be postponed if Jackson holds out. Do not really care about 2010 yet. Heck we missed on more draft picks over the year, what is one more??


  • August 6, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    thats why we need a cap for rookies, like many of us mention before. bad thing is that the “commish” wont do it. Too much revenue…

    players holding out just gives more news to be read or seen on tv. more publicity, more ratings, more commercials, ect ect ect.

    I think the “commish” needs to quit beeing greedy as well. But i know he did take a pay cut, but im talking from the business stand point. everyone wants to run a successful business, but you have to do whats best for others and/or your sport as well.


  • August 6, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    :shock: Anybody here, seen my old friend Jackson – can you tell me where he’s gone?

    As the (also Ty-lishly late) aphorist EM Cioran said regards life itself: “what to do, where to go? Do nothing & go nowhere, easy enough.”

    OPTIONS: A tale of one team’s woe w/KC connection.

    Benefit hindsight, The Tampa Bay Buccaneers made a bit of a Bo Bo their OWN Jackson back in 1986 – drafting and then forfeiting the RB’s rights; he sat out of football that year and instead played baseball. His name back into the draft hopper he was drafted by the Raiders in the 1987 draft the next year.

    Raiders win, Tampa loses, KC Royals get crumbs.

    * Al Davis = GOD?

    - – - – -

    Baseball Ty?

    Action Jackson is about the same size as Phillies 1st baseman Ryan Howard, so…maybe? Nah.

    Other avenues for football? The AFL went bust so that’s out, but the CFL is always an option.

    * Ty = penny$ wise & 294 pound foolish?

    - – - – -

    If :shock: is as deft as some folks think (Rin is not one of his believers), why not just call Ty’s bluff and let him sit out? What is there to lose, really?

    It’s a new regime, a new team, the Chiefs aren’t going anywhere but home the holidays anyway…do it ‘search’ – show us the Patriot Way – you know, like you did on draft day when got stuck holding the bag otherwise known the #3 draft pick entire draft that became Tyson Jackson; a Jimmy Johnson wouldn’t have gotten stuck like that nor would a few others that come to mind.)

    * :shock: = amateur?

    - – - – -

    Time for a song, and a drink:

    “What Do You Do With A Drunken Sailor”

    What’ll we do with a drunken sailor,
    What’ll we do with a drunken sailor,
    What’ll we do with a drunken sailor,
    Earl-aye in the morning?

    Way hay and up she rises, way hay & up she rises, way hay & up she rises earl-aye in the morning

    Put him in the long boat till he’s sober, put him in the long boat till he’s sober, put him in the long boat till he’s sober, earl-aye in the morning

    Keep him there & make ‘im bale ‘er, keep him there & make ‘im bale ‘er, keep him there & make ‘im bale ‘er, earl-aye in the morning

    Shave his belly with a rusty razor, shave his belly with a rusty razor, shave his belly with a rusty razor, earl-aye in the morning.

    Put him in bed with the captain’s daughter, put him in bed with the captain’s daughter, put him in bed with the captain’s daughter, earl-aye in the morning.

    Well that’s one possible remedy…thing is, he might like sleeping in late with the Captain’s daughter more than attending Stalag :roll:

    :lol:


  • August 6, 2009  - Rip 'em a new one says:

    Another thought that’s occured to me that is germaine to this thread and it relates to the critical importance of getting good consistent players in the draft, especially with the first round picks. The Chiefs have been below the Mendoza line on this measurement, meaning lots of teams are better and many are worse or in the same boat.

    Reminds me of the Jags. They seem to get older and worse. You just can’t miss on those top draft picks over a five year span. Cripples you for another 5. The Jags have only hit on Henderson as a #1 pick since 2000. Most of their first rounders aren’t on the team any more…Lefty, Matt Jones, Reggie Williams, Stroud.

    So the Tyson Jackson signing ALONG WITH his solid performance (hopefully) will be another sign these are a new breed of Chiefs in the making.


  • August 6, 2009  - hawaiianchief says:

    I was not a fan of letting herm go, because I wanted to see him finish the rebuilding process. But the more I hear the more I like about Todd Haley. This is how football is supposed to be, that’s how I was coached, and it is a proven method for success, I’ll take the younger version of Bill Parcells any day of the week, b/c he has proven he is a winner where ever he went. This is better than marty ball, our coach plays to win.

    I couldn’t stand marty’s conservative approach on offense same for Herm. Haley will dictate to the defense not play it safe, and I like that. aggression produces results, and this team will be aggressive and in shape.


  • August 6, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Real Rin ® :cool: daddy-o sez –

    GB hasn’t signed their NT and #1 pick, BJ Raji – whom they have spoken about moving to DE; Kaycee liked Raji as a NT according to reports. Jackson is a DE, and he is also unsigned. GB needs help at DE as indicated (they’re also running a 3/4.)

    Hmm.

    Yup.

    :idea:

    Don’t know anymore what with players union etc what is/isn’t allowed sign and trade but could such be the seeds of said each team?

    Rin knows in MLB the rules do not allow teams to trade a draft pick(s) before a selection is made, & that extends to a team not being able to trade a draftee even aft he is signed (in other words, that MLB rookie has to remain with the franchise for some period of time – at least a season?)

    Window shopping nee day dreaming, maybe throw in one of our own NT’s (Edwards/Tyler) and get Raji plus an extra fairly high draft pick from GB in 2010 (say a low 2nd or 3rd rounder perhaps?)

    Then of course problem becomes the DE spot lost KC, leaving Magee, Dorsey and a no name cast of others (maybe McBride moves back to DE) but the NT spot is set/the holdout problem 2 teams fini.

    Merely a lateral move (though an extra pick in 2010 is garnered) or a solution to the current situation. Don’t think it would happen even if possible, but if it could, which one?

    In other words, if you could only have one, which would it be: a TY or a BJ?

    :lol:


  • August 6, 2009  - Scott says:

    Tyson Jackson has signed.

    And Rip’em just BARELY escapes eating crow. Ha!

    Get to camp and get to work, Jackson. You’re behind.


  • August 6, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    SWEEEET


  • August 6, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    Get to camp and get to work, Jackson. You’re behind IS TOO LARGE.

    /haley-ized


  • August 6, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    BTW, thanks for the heads-up, Scott. Where did you get the news?


  • August 6, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    I know this is off the subject, but I like how Wade phillips in on front page of espn.com and heading says how he changed his philosophy this year and not being a “players coach” anymore. ha.

    more reassuring Haley knows what he is doing


  • August 6, 2009  - Scott says:

    Yeah gorillafan…I think he knows his job is on the line. So he’s likely to say just about anything.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see Shanahan coaching in Dallas next year. No matter what happens this year.


  • August 6, 2009  - JP says:

    Most new coach’s come in with a ball breaking mentality. In order for them to get the job, the other guy must have screwed the pooch. It would seem that a change is needed to get things going in the right direction. Some ease up as time goes on, but I don’t think that will be Haley’s style. Give ‘em hell Haley!

    I love the post about “digging ditches”. These guys are paid well to be athlete’s. Last time I checked that meant that you need to practice, for long hours, the sport that you love. I guess that some of those guys have a different definition?


  • August 6, 2009  - your daddy says:

    Rin Tin Tin? Apt moniker for a Pavlovian dog incapable of an original thought. Herm’s record says all anyone needs to know about his failed experiment as an NFL head coach. As a former New Yorker, I can assure that any knowledgeable Jets fan will give you an earful of exactly how bad Edwards was as a coach in NY. That and what you’ve seen here in KC should be all the info you need to evaluate his legacy in NFL coaching. Ignore the morons that say otherwise.

    BTW Chiefs’ fans, T.Jackson has agreed to terms and should be in camp soon. Ignore the naysaying trolls here in the ‘comments’ section as they obviously know very little about football.


  • August 6, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Real Rin ® :cool: daddy-o sez, response to the ‘homeless man’ sans a name…

    “your daddy said”

    - that He’s better than yours…just as Rin be better than you.

    “Rin Tin Tin?”

    - yes peasant, what is it now?

    “Apt moniker for a Pavlovian dog”

    - dogs don’t live in apartments so they wouldn’t give names to such imaginary abodes. As for Ivan (Pavlov), he lived for as well in his laboratory.

    Obviously, the work of Albert Hofmann stimulated your curiosity more than did Ivan.

    “incapable of an original thought.”

    - one of the side effects as your vacuity as well wan narrative evidences…

    “Herm’s record says all anyone needs to know about his failed experiment as an NFL head coach.”

    - exactly – Herm was in the playoffs 50% of his coaching career (4 season’s out of 8) affirming he was an upper echelon nee better than the NFL average Head Coach as such.

    “As a former New Yorker”

    - bill collectors? Child support? Warrants?

    “I can assure that any knowledgeable Jets fan will give you an earful of exactly how bad Edwards was as a coach in NY.”

    - there aren’t any knowledgeable Jets fans…

    As for you what did Sinatra say about NY: if you can make it there, you’ll make it anywhere; alas, you’re not there anymore – by your own admission.

    Hence (cue the Beatles, reference you) “he’s a real nowhere man…”

    “That and what you’ve seen here in KC should be all the info you need to evaluate his legacy in NFL coaching.”

    - quite so…Herm is STILL The Man!

    “Ignore the morons that say otherwise.”

    - moron(s)? You have relatives posting here also?

    “BTW Chiefs’ fans, T.Jackson has agreed to terms and should be in camp soon.”

    - the heck you say; this just in: it will be dark tonight, but, not to worry displaced New Yorker – it will be light again by morn.

    “Ignore the naysaying trolls here in the ‘comments’ section as they obviously know very little about football.”

    - so your entire family moved out of New York from under their bridge hovel take squat here; Bob G is a lucky man, as all of us…

    :lol:


  • August 6, 2009  - Michael says:

    Someone heard on the radio that Dorsey is a bust, and what? Saying that on the radio a week into camp makes about as much sense as giving it any credence. No one knows that right now, and no one will for quite awhile.


  • August 7, 2009  - True Red & Gold says:

    Haley is not Parcells. Hopefully he is not trying to be. He needs to establish his own identity and I have a feeling he will. Bob is right though. If the Chiefs do not see success sooner than later Haley’s approach will blow up in his face. I believe in some of what Haley is doing but he better show these guys some respect and he had better not run them into the ground if he expects them to play for him when it really counts.




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